Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

Big Hollywood has already posted a couple disturbing videos of young school children singing/speaking praises to President Obama, but when eleven more dropped in our email box it came as quite a shock. What seemed like an aberration now appears to be a troubling pattern.

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Oooooooooooooooooooooo.

Damn. Stalin has risen from the grave and turned half-black.

The magnitude of this will be felt in the future - it's really no different than allowing your child to watch whatever they'd like on tv - pretty soon they're stealing the bed sheets to make capes and demanding masks and THEN they climb up on the roof and jump. The difficulty in getting small children to see the w.h. pov is practically nil - if it's spoken in school, it's pretty much gospel.

Too bad more parents aren't monitoring what is going on in public schools - shame on them.

Believe me when I tell you, in 2013 if you guys see vieos of kids singing the praises of the newly elected Republican president, you will have a problem with it.

Member - I would be at the school in everyone's face from the janitor on up to the superintendent - regardless of who they were singing about.

I am sure you'd give'em hell Nanc!


The Paranoia of the Right.

......the new pre-occupation for the Birthers......

.....since being a Birther has been proven to be a mass psychotic delusion........

.......does anyone really think, that someone from the White House, contacted a local school in Palukaville, and ordered them to start singing Obama-songs ?...........

Don't pick up that chair, Cranc. Don't do it!

www.youtube.com

So, if they were instructed to sing and praise about the good deeds Jesus did during his life - leaving all references to religion out, just the deeds - not even miracles, I assume you libs would not have a problem with that? What if they did not even mention Christianity? Just singing about a guy named Jesus Christ? I would have used Mohammed, but did not want to get banned by RCADE.

Involved parents can negate any liberal indoctrination that occurs in school.


So, if they were instructed to sing and praise about the good deeds Jesus did during his life -
.......#9 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

....that would be propogating ignorance.......

....kids go to school to get educated, which is the opposite of ignorance.........


.......the implication that the New Issue Birthers are putting out......

.....is that somehow instructions are coming from the White House as to what the Glee Club should sing in order to brainwash kids.......

.....is that not insane ??......do you really think that the Whitehouse is taking time to organize the Glee Clubs or Homerooms, so that they are singing about Obama ??

Skizz, the fear is over the school admins thinking it wise to "praise" the occupant of the White House, not the White House putting the squeeze on schools.

Your #12 is a strawman.


Member - I would be at the school in everyone's face from the janitor on up to the superintendent - regardless of who they were singing about.

#5 | Posted by nanc at 2009-11-05 11:23 AM


I thought you're inbreds were homeschooled n.a.n.c.

#9 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 - back in the early sixties we DID sing hymns and patriotic songs in school, but then we were also learning about the constitution, the Gettysburg address, our founding fathers - sometimes I'll break out into one of the songs and our children will ask how I know all the words to THAT song particular song!

We're starting a group to begin a study on the constitution in our area for teens - we're getting a very good response from other areas.

Jerry - we did homeschool for a time when ours were smaller. Must you be so nasty? Consider your post flagged for being abusive. Please stay away from me.

the fear is over the school admins thinking it wise to "praise" the occupant of the White House
.....#13 | Posted by andyuhenet

.....the fear ?.......

....so the people making an issue of the "fear" would be.......

......fearmongers ?......

......are people actually afraid of the song selection at Homeroom and the Glee Club ?.....the depth of paranoia and fear mongering is rivalling what we saw during the McCarthy years........

Well, if you accept their premise that local schools are praising the occupant of the White House, I think that's a legitimate fear.

If GW Bush tried to get a 3rd term through an emergency act, you would be a fear monger about your response, and that would make your point invalid, by your logic.

Skizz some of these kids are in grade school, there is no glee club or homeroom in grade school.

I still don't think schools have the ability to 'brainwash' kids with strong parents, but your argument is flawed.

#11 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-05 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag: flunked kindergarden

kindergarten=kindergarden

He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.
Adolf Hitler

Haha, embarrassing ElCid. I always misspell intelligent. Thank God for spellcheck in forms through FireFox.

Jerry - we did homeschool for a time when ours were smaller. Must you be so nasty? Consider your post flagged for being abusive. Please stay away from me.

Nanc,

Do what you need to do when it comes to flagging, but if someone won't leave you alone after you've asked them to, you are probably best off ignoring them. That can be difficult I know, which one reason why I suspect RCade is working on a killfile system. I doubt I'll use it much, but for some folks it's probably the best way to go.

-Well, if you accept their premise that local schools are praising the occupant of the White House,

One school, one class, one teacher, one time on Black History Day hardly counts.

Corky read the article and get back to us.

"Destroy the family, you destroy the country."

Lenin

"Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted."

Lenin

Nanc, do you really think that teachers can negate a strong conservative parent's values that are instilled into their children?

Give me a child for his first seven years and he's mine forever.

--Christian priests

Hmmm, not relevant, Null.

#25 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday - I generally do ignore her.

Andy - No, but why are they trying so hard to do just that? I question the motives as should every parent who turns their children over to the public school system.

29 | Posted by nanc

p.s. All of those Lenin "quotes" are fake.

www.amazon.com

"Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed."
Joseph Stalin

If GW Bush tried to get a 3rd term through an emergency act, you would be a fear monger about your response, and that would make your point invalid, by your logic.
.....#19 | Posted by andyuhenet

....except none of that happened...

.....that scenario is all in your head, not mine...

.....stick to the facts, you will sound a bit more sane......

I still don't think schools have the ability to 'brainwash' kids with strong parents, but your argument is flawed.
......#20 | Posted by andyuhenet

......they sing all sorts of shit in school......

.....I have four kids and sat through lots of it......

.....the idea that there is a SECRET PLAN to BRAINWASH KIDS by having them sing about Obama is INSANE.......


He alone, who owns the youth, gains the future.
Adolf Hitler
......#23 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

.....Hitler did organize the Hitler Youth.....

.....but the Dems did not ask any school to sing anything.....

.....there is no overt or secret movement to brainwash kids.....anyone who buys into this delusion is taking part in the BIRTHER D'JOUR DELUSION.....

Skizz, just calling people "fearmongers" doesn't win the argument for you. Your kids had to sing all sorts of shit in school, but did they sing anything politically current?

.....I have four kids and sat through lots of it......

Possibly the scariest thought on the DR since HERM stated he had grandchildren. Are they on the show V?


Give me a child for his first seven years and he's mine forever.
-Christian priests
........#31 | Posted by nullifidian

......this is not a pedophelia thread........

I think it would be dumb to argue that the Democratic Party is strong-arming schools into indoctrinating kids, the fear Skizz is local school teachers/admins deciding it would be appropriate.

I can see why some of the videos that refer to Obama directly are objectionable to some people. Some of the videos don't refer to Obama at all, and just talk broadly about change and having the opporunity to grow up and be who/what you want to be in this country, which is what this country is all about. And as for objecting to "There is No One as Irish as Barack Obama," you've got to be kidding me. That's a fun song and you don't have to be Irish to think so.

A dozen videos is not an epidemic, but you are right I would have objected to my kids singing a couple of those songs in school if they had been about Bush. If I lived in west Texas though and enough of the parents in my district liked the songs and didn't mind the kids singing them, it would be up to me to have my child opt out of the performance, won't it? Just like I'd have my kid opt out of a class on creationism.

.....Hitler did organize the Hitler Youth.....

Um, NO.

The first NSDAP-related organization of German youth was the Jugendbund der NSDAP.[1] Its establishment by the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei or NSDAP, the German Nazi Party, was announced on 8 Mar 1922 in the Vlkischer Beobachter, and its inaugural meeting was held on the 13th May the same year.[2] In April 1924 the Jugendbund der NSDAP was renamed Grossdeutsche Jugendbewegung (Greater German Youth Movement).

Another Youth group was established in 1922 as the Jungsturm Adolf Hitler (helpinfo). Based in Munich, Bavaria, it served to train and recruit future members of the Sturmabteilung (or "Storm Regiment"), the adult paramilitary wing of the NSDAP.

Following the abortive Beer Hall Putsch (in 1923), the Nazi youth groups were ostensibly disbanded but many elements simply went underground, operating clandestinely in small units under assumed names. Finally, on July 4th 1926 the Grossdeutsche Jugendbewegung was officially renamed Hitler Jugend Bund der deutschen Arbeiterjugend, (Hitler Youth League of German Worker Youth). This event took place a year after the Nazi Party itself had been reorganized. The architect of the re-organisation was Kurt Gruber, a law student and admirer of Hitler from Plauen, Saxony.


Skizz, just calling people "fearmongers" doesn't win the argument for you.
......#39 | Posted by andyuhenet

......people who promote fear, are, fearmongers......

......you are asking people to buy into an insane scenario.....

........that somehow there is a secret movement to brainwash kids by having them sing a song about Obama......

.......you have no idea how crazy it is.....only people pre-conditioned by the BIRTHER TYPE mass delusion could buy into that......

We have, for example, the great H. L. Mencken, who wrote in The American Mercury for April 1924 that the aim of public education is not

to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence. ... Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim ... is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States... and that is its aim everywhere else.

www.johntaylorgatto.com

Skizz, I've no where said that there is a secret movement going on here. There are a handful of local schools doing this. I don't even think schools have the power to indoctrinate kids who have involved parents.

I think you are using strawmen to argue this point, saying that people believe there is some sort of secret movement behind these schools.

If the schools would sing about Washington and Lincoln you might have a case skizjob. Do they?

.....but the Dems did not ask any school to sing anything.....

Did the republican party promote the tea baggers?
Grass roots organizations and political dogma/philosophy are often the common denominator rather than a centralized edict.

....except none of that happened...

.....that scenario is all in your head, not mine...

.....stick to the facts, you will sound a bit more sane......

After 9/11, didn't Bush consider overriding the next election to keep stability in the government and ensure greater safety for the country? I seem to recall something like that. It didn't come to pass, and I could be wrong but I don't think the original idea was merely a fearful fantasy cooked up by the left.

Gal I just brought that scenario up (I don't think it was ever a real possibility) because people were scared of it, and if it happened, people would paint those opposed to it as "fearmongers" and automatically reject those people's arguments.

It was a stretch but calling people "fearmongers" does not win arguments.

Here is some more indoctrination that takes place in public schools...

bkmarcus.com

I seem to recall something like that.
.....#49 | Posted by Gal_Tuesday

....Bush had just been elected and still had 3 1/2 years to go on his first term......

.....I don't recall it ever coming up......

.....even so, Andy gave me an example of "what my thinking would have been, had such & such occured" ....which is a type of conjecture that does not belong in an honest debate........

Actually, I won't want my child singing this in school:

"Democratic Party come correct
Our cuts are on time our rhymes connect"

I don't think schools should be promotiing a political party, if that's what the song is saying. It's sort of hard to tell what the exact meaning of those two lines are.

As far as indoctrination goes, it's harder make that sort of thing stick if there is not the threat of force and violence behind it. Just last night, one of my friend's was talking about the fact that he and his brother, one who is far left, the other who is far right, were raised in the same household, went to the same schools and turned out so differently when it comes politics and religion.

Guys,

My memory was fuzz and I didn't have my facts straight, but here's the directive I was thinking of, which I guess was actually was signed into law:

The National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive (National Security Presidential Directive NSPD 51/Homeland Security Presidential Directive HSPD-20, sometimes called simply "Executive Directive 51" for short), created and signed by United States President George W. Bush on May 4, 2007, is a Presidential Directive which claims power to execute procedures for continuity of the federal government in the event of a "catastrophic emergency". Such an emergency is construed as "any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions."

. . .

The presidential directive says that, when the president considers an emergency to have occurred, an "Enduring Constitutional Government" comprising "a cooperative effort among the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of the Federal Government, coordinated by the President," will take the place of the nation's regular government, presumably without the oversight of Congress. Conservative activist Jerome Corsi and Marjorie Cohn of the National Lawyers Guild have said that this is a violation of the Constitution of the United States in that the three branches of government are separate and equal, with no single branch coordinating the others. The directive, created by the president, claims that the president has the power to declare a catastrophic emergency. It does not specify who has the power to declare the emergency over.

en.wikipedia.org

Here's an article about it:

www.slate.com

Did the republican party promote the tea baggers?
#48 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

......yes......they did.......

www.bluemassgroup.com



.....I have four kids and sat through lots of it......

Possibly the scariest thought on the DR since HERM stated he had grandchildren.
........#40 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

.......I'm sorry if the thought of heterosexual sex is so frightening to Republicans.......

.......so whenever I say anything about sex, just picture Jeff Gannon & George Bush in your mind, and you won't get sick......

Jerry - we did homeschool for a time when ours were smaller. Must you be so nasty? Consider your post flagged for being abusive. Please stay away from me.

#16 | POSTED BY NANC AT 2009-11-05 12:13 PM

Bwahahahahaha Jerry really beat you in that exchange!!!

If you thinkg your kid getting the Siwne at school is bad, the risk of him being indoctrinated to worship Obama is even higher

When will the moonbats on the far right start freaking out over something that makes sense.

"When will the moonbats on the far right start freaking out over something that makes sense."

You mean like THIS makes sense?


MMM MMM MMM!
Barack Hussein Obama!

You mean like THIS makes sense?


MMM MMM MMM!
Barack Hussein Obama!

Anymore, not much I read on the news makes sense. I think this country is collectively going nuts. Our politicians and our media gain more by focusing on nonsensical, polarizing arguments and avoiding public discussion about the underlying issues.

I don't care if a school encourages you to value your country, but singing the praises of a sitting president doesn't benefit anyone. It's also not going to transform Mrs. Pinko's 5th grade social studies class into a bunch of card-carrying socialists ready to rat out their parents for using aerosol containers in a manner contrary to their labels. Appparently it's a federal crime to use wasp killer on ants.

"Believe me when I tell you, in 2013 if you guys see vieos of kids singing the praises of the newly elected Republican president, you will have a problem with it."
#4 | Posted by member2586

That is an understatement! They had a hissy-fit when there was a picture of President Bush along side other Presidents.

#56 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-11-05 01:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry skizz that your comprehension of my statement is so bad - I will explain, no I will summarize

Skizz having 4 kids with whom to teach his/her misguided philosophies = fucking scary.

Just to clear it up.

"if it's spoken in school, it's pretty much gospel."

At what age do you think this is true, Nanc. My high school students are quite ready at pretty much all times to challenge me, sometimes even with the ability to present clearly and back up their arguments. It's rather fun.

+++++

"kindergarten=kindergarden"

The correct spelling is kindergarten, with a t. Is that what you meant? And those who attend kindergarten are called kindergartners. Thus endeth your spelling lesson for today.

+++++

The first video is of a production written and created _by students_. It doesn't get any better than that: student choice and self-direction. When should the school shut down a student-driven activity? If it meets community standards, why should you care? (To be frank, I didn't go farther than that. The writer poisoned his own well, as far as I'm concerned.) If my kids want to create an anti-Barack Obama experience in a course devoted to arts or video creation, I would accept that. I would work to help them realize their best expression and keep within the bounds of good taste (and factual accuracy or credibility).

+++++

Too, the references to Lenin don't make much sense unless you have evidence that President Obama or his administration is pushing schools to do this. If it's happening independently, excoriate those responsible if you must. But really, put your efforts where your school is--in your community, right? Is it not true that most of teh ed critics talk about getting the feds out of our schools? If that's so, who the fuck are we to talk about what's going on in, say East Praetoria, if we don't live in East Praetoria or whatever state East Praetoria is in.

+++++

Oh, and btw, I bashed Barack Obama in school just today. And George Bush, too. Some students were confused. Some got what I was up to.

Oh, and as much as I disagree with Nanc on ... pretty much everything... calling her kids inbreds or whatever is pure hateful CRAP. There are many reasons to homeschool, and just because Nanc has religious beliefs that are far from mine (and that make me wonder why she isn't just sitting back waiting for the end : ) ) doesn't mean I condone the assumption that she's stupid or that she homeschooled her kids for purely religious reasons. I'm a public school teacher and advocate, but I still recognize that public schools are not for everyone. And that every public school is not the same.

"kindergarten=kindergarden"


The correct spelling is kindergarten, with a t. Is that what you meant? And those who attend kindergarten are called kindergartners. Thus endeth your spelling lesson for today.


Yes, I thought that's what I was correcting??????

References to stalin/hitler quotes/dogma/philosophies are attributable to the actions - not Obama himself. Not one of them called Obama Stalin or Hitler, just likened the practices in the story to past actions by non-democratic regimes.

Thanks, ElCid. I missed the original post, just saw the equals sign. Usually when posters correct themselves, they put the mistake first. I think you had it the other way round. That's in my experience, of course. YMMV.

However, I think the "attributable to the actions" explanation is disingenuous at best. Stalin and Hitler and Lenin were _leaders of countries_; how can you make a reference to them in reference to events in praise of Obama, and not imply a connection, at least philosophical to the current POTUS? Especially when people here and in other forums have indeed compared President Obama to some or all of those historical figures.

I'm a public school teacher and advocate, but I still recognize that public schools are not for everyone. And that every public school is not the same.

#64 | POSTED BY PRAGMATIST AT 2009-11-05 06:30 PM


Not for everyone, just 90% of all Americans. {And prior to 12 years of rw bashing/smearing by reagan admins (1990) and vouchers for private schools, 95% of ALL Americans were educated in public schools.}

Public schools are one of the tenets of this country that made it great.

Consider first that there are not enough private/parachial schools to educate the 90%, that private/parochial schools can CHOOSE whom to educate and routinely do not educate behavioral, physical or mentally challenged individuals, that teachers vote overwhelmingly for programs/politicians that share their concerns for the welfare of children and education, and you can see why the continual bashing of public schools by rwrs is so very politically, not pragmatically motivated. And there is no profit in running schools, so they will not and cannot be privatized to provide education for much more than the 10% they do.

If not for public education, only the rich students would get educated at all.

What I find duplicitous about homeschoolers is that once they begin to realize (if they do) that their kids are not getting educated/assimilated socially, they then begin to clamor for public schools to provide their kids with extra curricular activities.

And what I find duplicitous about private schooling is how many of their children are transported with public money, while there is a perfectly good public school down the block. How messed up is it when Americans refused to allow busing across cities to achieve racial equality, but then turned around and ok busing private/parochial students ACROSS COUNTIES to attend religious schools at public expense? When gas hit $4 a gallon, that adds up, eh, or even now at those distances.

The two factors affect children being educated most, are POVERTY and PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT. Both of these factors are met by private schools who can demand parental involvement and exclude those who cannot pay, (as well, as I already mentioned, any student with "special" needs). So, when people attempt to argue that private schools do a better job, it's an argument of apples and oranges and quite disengenuous, imo.

Finally, as for singing the praises of our potus, I'm so sure these hypocrites who are complaining would have had no problem with rallying students behind bush after 911. What has changed?

Why is it wrong to teach students to value our govt and it's leader? They certainly get enough of the opposite of that from watching any corporate owned media, eh?


Skizz, the fear is over the school admins thinking it wise to "praise" the occupant of the White House,
#13 | Posted by andyuhenet

.....we teach schoolchildren to praise Washington, Lincoln, Jefferson, Roosevelt.......

.....what is wrong in showing respect to the President ?.......

Ans=nothing. It's another Obama-can-do-no-right moment from the sore loser brigade, even when Obama is not doing it.

Skizziks - there is a slight difference between teaching history and praising a sitting president. As far as I know, they don't praise Nixon...think about it.

69

uh, nixon was a crook, who attempted to manipulate our election processes, tho he claimed otherwise, eh?

and reagan could not recall if he was a crook

and bush/hallichainy are war/oil profiteers who lied us into invading and occupying a country that did not attack us that has led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, loss of 2 trillion in treasury and increased hatred and terrorism against Americans around the world, not to mention also manipulating our election processes....eh?

"Not for everyone, just 90% of all Americans."

Woke, I meant "not for everyone" as in, some kids are actually better served by other programs because they have specific needs. This is not an opening to any critics to bash the school system. We need to do major repairs, but we need the help of citizenry (financial and otherwise) to do them. Private schools, charter schools, etc. are not a panacea.

"What I find duplicitous about homeschoolers is that once they begin to realize (if they do) that their kids are not getting educated/assimilated socially, they then begin to clamor for public schools to provide their kids with extra curricular activities."

I could agree with that if you put the word "some" before "homeschoolers." Over the last several years, my mind has been opened about homeschooling. There are some who do very serious work, and I have seen the fruits of that here among my students who have entered high school after being homeschooled their entire lives. It can be quite amazing. I am conflicted about home-schooled kids engaging in extra-curriculars at the local public school. Generally, I support it. But I am conflicted.

"The two factors affect children being educated most, are POVERTY and PARENTAL INVOLVEMENT. Both of these factors are met by private schools who can demand parental involvement and exclude those who cannot pay, (as well, as I already mentioned, any student with "special" needs). So, when people attempt to argue that private schools do a better job, it's an argument of apples and oranges and quite disengenuous, imo."

I mostly agree with that. I agree entirely with the first sentence.

"Finally, as for singing the praises of our potus, I'm so sure these hypocrites who are complaining would have had no problem with rallying students behind bush after 911. What has changed?
Why is it wrong to teach students to value our govt and it's leader? They certainly get enough of the opposite of that from watching any corporate owned media, eh?"

Maybe. But I think that schools creating songs in praise of anyone is just bizarre. There's a difference between teaching student the value (not to value) of gov't and to respect our leaders, on the one hand, and literally singing praises, on the other.

But again, as noted earlier, the first example in the linked article is from a program in which students create their own projects. Artistic freedom, freedom of expression. So that rather blows the argument. But if teachers are assigning this stuff, I do think that's wrong. And I am not anti-Obama. No matter who sat in that office, I would think it's wrong. I also have difficulty with the Pledge of Allegiance and with the co-opting of "This Land Is Your Land" into a song of blind patriotism.

RE #70, lots of people say President Obama (whom they generally seem to call by other names) is a liar and a fraud. We just don't know yet. Just know that you're opening yourself up on this one.

Prag,

I know man, my post wasn't directed at correcting yours in anyway.....

Whenever public education comes up, I get up on my retired teacher soapbox and address the right wing misinformation and inanity.

Thanks for the civil reparte.

I appreciate it.

I do agree that, while I want our children to learn to revere our govt, (best in the world), I don't want them to be pawns of any political ideology.....or particular potus

no child left behind (teaching to the test and not to think for yourself)..,.,.oops, too late, eh? LOL

As far as I know, they don't praise Nixon...think about it.
.....#69 | Posted by nanc

....they don't now....but they should......

.....he was one of the best post-ww2 presidents in history......he ended the Viet war, opened relations with China.......

.....he was a far less flawed president than he was given credit for, he did not initiate the watergate break-in, but tried to cover it up, which was a relatively minor transgression compared to the monstrous mistakes of LBJ, Reagan, Bush2, etc......

Nixon got a bum rap.........


...but back to Obama....

...in this case he did nothing, somebody put together some songs some schoolkids sang, and all of a sudden its Obama's fault that he's popular...

....the hateful right will use any excuse, to denigrate Obama....this is just another example of their small mindedness...

"I know man, my post wasn't directed at correcting yours in anyway....."

Just being clear to all readers. I too am passionate about this topic, and I feel that there is simply too much mis- (or dis-) information out there. Granted, my experience may be singular, but my school is not like what so many here assert school is like. Nor is any school I've trained in or visited like the image that is perpetuated.

That said, my comments about what's right for kids and about repairs being necessary still stand. But I'd like critique to be grounded in facts.

skizz


do some research and find out how many of the 58k+ US troops kia occured after Nixon was elected on a campaign that he would end vn.

here ya go....

thewall-usa.com

5th graph down


Nixon was inaugurated on January 20, 1969. Pat Nixon held the family Bibles open to Isaiah 2:4, reading, "They shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks."[56] In his inaugural address, which received almost uniformly positive reviews, Nixon remarked that "the greatest honor history can bestow is the title of peacemaker."[56]

referenced wiki


and then he began one of the most destructive bombing of civilians known to man.....


after being elected by attempting to criminally manipulate our election processes.....


all the while drunk on his ass


yeah, another great repug potus....

along with ron QUADTRUPLE the national debt reagan

and


george read my lips no new taxes bush 41


and the other one.....whose disasterous policies have led us to what we now face economically and in two invasion/occupations


Ever hear of the US constitution that these fks took an oath to protect and defend??

rule of law?


geneva conventions?

sorry skiz

sometimes sarcasm isn't clear via text.....LOL

using the term "snark" helps those of us so challenged....


....Nixon inherited LBJ's war, same as Obama got two of Bush's.....

......I remember the temper of the times, he was between a rock and hard place......

.....it was a war like Afghanistan, and it was a bloody stalemate.....Nixon was talked into the McChrystal Strategy of their day by Kissinger, to try to end the war by winning it, by bombing the shit out of the North, it did not work......

......for all that everybody kicked him when he was down, and still continue to do so, he was a good president......

or maybe you weren't being sarcastic, eh?

LOL


nixon sucked, just like all the repug potus have since IKE.

and i remember the times also as i woke up in a jungle during his presidency.....

the answer is about 1/3 of US troops died AFTER nixon claimed to be a "peacemaker" in his campaign and inauguration speech....

I have to wonder if hallichainy wrote that speech for him??

however, for the most part, i do agree with your assessment of the similarity of these unnecessary invasions/occupations

nixon sucked, just like all the repug potus have since IKE.
#80 | Posted by woke

.....I was not defending the others, the case-by-case review for each would be long and painful......

......but Nixon got a bad rap, when he inhereted the presidency he had a huge, quagmire in Viet Nam of the kind people today, accustomed to as they are to three week mini-wars, may not be able to comprehend.......

And he campaigned that he could end it quickly.

He took office in Jan 69 and pulled us out when?

And how many US troops died and were maimed in those 4 years?


Not to mention being elected by attempting to manipulate our election process.

If inheriting a mess makes him a great president, Carter is the greatest, eh?

He inherited the economic mess left by 8 years of nixon/agnew/ford, not to mention the foreign policy mess left by nixon's support of the despot SHAH of Iran....

It's not what you inherit so much as what you do about what you inherit, that makes a potus great. Nixon claimed he would end nam and he instead tried to bomb innnocent civilians in North VN and Cambodia into peace.....prolonging the war of 14 years and causing 1/3 of the US troops to be kia on his watch of 4 years.

But, to each their own opinion.

If you beleive in this INDOCTRINATION SCARE, you are a fool.

A gullible fool.

NEWSFLASH - the video clip of the kids singing about obama was part of a song about MANY successful people in america, inspiring kids to achieve.

HOWEVER - the fear masters on the right realized they could steal a tiny portion of it to send to their servants at FOX NEWS and tell people that kids were being indoctrinated.

Then they got their slaves limbaugh and his ilk to repeat the same thing until all the rednecks heard it from multiple sources. The same lie from multiple sources doesnt make it true.

They right wing corporatists need you to hate obama so that he cant take away any of their power or control, and they'll use any little out of context clip they can find to inspire your hatred of him.

You're fighting against those who are trying to help you, and supporting those who enslave you.

You were suckered. And you will be suckered again. Because you're gullible. Suckers.

I'll say it again: If you beleive this indoctrination scare, YOU ARE FIGHTING AGAINST THOSE WHO WANT TO HELP YOU AND SUPPORTING THOSE WHO WANT TO KEEP YOU ENSLAVED.

Same goes for birthers, and people who beleive all the socialism communism fascism scare words.

When I was talking to my nine year old yesterday, I asked him if they ever sing songs about Obama and felt him out about any kind of praising regarding him.

He said no to anything I asked him.

Homeschooling or a private school is the only way to go if you can afford it.

Right, then your kids can be elitist 10%rs

Great plan.

Skizz having 4 kids with whom to teach his/her misguided philosophies = fucking scary.
Just to clear it up.
......#62 | Posted by ELCIDCE90

....my kids think for themselves......

.....but that will probably still frighten a Gop-bot like yourself......

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