Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

Former Vice President Al Gore is both an advocate of the need to go green to fight global warming and an investor in startup ventures to attain that goal, a role that has some skeptics claiming he could become the first "carbon billionaire." Gore's response: "Do you think there is something wrong with being active in business in this country? I am proud of it."

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Zat, I hope you at least get a thank you card from Al.

Liberals hate rich people, unless they are Liberal rich people. Rather than becoming rich through a productive endeavor that benefits society at large, Al Gore is becoming rich throgh a hoax that will destory our standard of living. Liberals will continue to be good corporate stooges and continue to support cap and trade and global treaties to steal our wealth and give it to parasite third world countries.

ALL HAIL to the Goreacle from which all blessings flow we are weak but he is strong, busting his ASS all day long to save us all AHHHHHMEN...

The word is MOOSE FARTS as methane is 40 times worse than CO2 as a global warming gas, if all the Moose's were killed it would cancel out the amount of CO2 emissions for the entire state of California...

Kill the Moose...

Critics, mostly on the political right and among global warming skeptics, say Mr. Gore is poised to become the world's first "carbon billionaire," profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.

Representative Marsha Blackburn, Republican of Tennessee, asserted at a hearing this year that Mr. Gore stood to benefit personally from the energy and climate policies he was urging Congress to adopt.

Mr. Gore says that he is simply putting his money where his mouth is.

"Do you think there is something wrong with being active in business in this country?" Mr. Gore said. "I am proud of it. I am proud of it."

In an e-mail message this week, he said his investment activities were consistent with his public advocacy over decades.

"I have advocated policies to promote renewable energy and accelerate reductions in global warming pollution for decades, including all of the time I was in public service," Mr. Gore wrote. "As a private citizen, I have continued to advocate the same policies. Even though the vast majority of my business career has been in areas that do not involve renewable energy or global warming pollution reductions, I absolutely believe in investing in ways that are consistent with my values and beliefs. I encourage others to invest in the same way."

Rightwingnut anti-Capitalists.... whut'll they think of next?

Corky, are you that dense? The global warming hoax is being used as a way to install a one-world redistributionist government. That is right up your alley.

Instead of trying to score points off Al Gore, people should look at the bigger picture.

In order for Gore to become a "carbon billionaire" in green energy, there has to be an untapped multibillion-dollar market in green energy.

And if that's the case, it would be a great thing for this country that seed money provided by Gore and other investors created a new market and helped the U.S. take the lead in it.

5 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-11-03 09:11 AM | Reply | Flag: Paranoia strikes deep....

The global warming hoax is being used as a way to install a one-world redistributionist government.

Wow, are you getting up extra early these days just so you can extra wrong?

Be Well.


What's hilarious is that if Gore were unwilling to put his money where his mouth is, these same yahoos would declare he didn't believe his own agenda.

Truly, truly pathetic.

What is the point of the U.S. leading in green technology if we are going to have to GIVE IT AWAY as opposed to SELL IT to other countries? The parasite third-worlders want us to give them our technology and money. How is this going to create green jobs? Green jobs would be created if we sell, not give away, our technology.

Tamiflu, anyone?

In order for Gore to become a "carbon billionaire" in green energy, there has to be an untapped multibillion-dollar market in green energy.

And if that's the case, it would be a great thing for this country that seed money provided by Gore and other investors created a new market and helped the U.S. take the lead in it.

If he wants to use his money to fund that, it's fine with me. However, he wants to use his money as a catalyst to get at the American people's money, which allows him to make even more money than his investment would garner him in the first place.

There will only be a market for green energy when it is cost beneficial.

Taking the lead in promoting junk science for personal gain. Awesome title to hold as a country. Snake Oil sales.


The Left, providing hijinks and hilarity every single day for the little old middle class.

There will only be a market for green energy when it is cost beneficial.

#12 | Posted by IraqiBukkake


Don't bother Liberals with complex economic concepts they can't possibly understand.

Don't bother Liberals with complex economic concepts they can't possibly understand.

#14 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-11-03 09:25 AM


Quick Hurry KILL THE MIKE, KILL THE MIKE...

Sorry Folks that comment was unauthorized and made it through our screening process...

The Goreacle will only answer pre approved questions, why is that you ask
It's because the man is so full of SHIT he will not answer questions from scientist who DARE disagree with him

NOW REMEMBER: ALL HAIL to the Goreacle from which all blessings flow we are weak but he is strong, busting his ASS all day long to save us all AHHHHHMEN...

However, he wants to use his money as a catalyst to get at the American people's money, which allows him to make even more money than his investment would garner him in the first place.

Gore could never become a billionaire just by steering green-energy government deals to ventures he invests in. Millionaire, sure, but he's already a millionaire.

If Gore really scores billions here, it would be a huge boon for America. We *need* investors to put their money into smart energy. It's a key technology sector for the future economic well-being of this country.

The hardcore capitalists here should applaud Gore for backing ventures like this.


Gore was born wealthy.... all this ideological-based, climate-change denying whining is pathetic.

Gore could never become a billionaire just by steering green-energy government deals to ventures he invests in. Millionaire, sure, but he's already a millionaire.

The money is in the carbon taxation and it's administration.

If Gore really scores billions here, it would be a huge boon for America. We *need* investors to put their money into smart energy. It's a key technology sector for the future economic well-being of this country.

I don't believe this for a second. Coal as energy is very cheap. "Smart energy" will annihilate the middle class and devastate the poor in this country. Again, investors will steal the difference from the American people to offset the expense of green energy vs. petroleum based energy. The only thing figured out in this process is the taxation.

This is the Thread Where the Wingdings Whine about Capitalism!


#6 | Posted by rcade
Instead of trying to score points off Al Gore, people should look at the bigger picture.


In order for Gore to become a "carbon billionaire" in green energy, there has to be an untapped multibillion-dollar market in green energy.


And if that's the case, it would be a great thing for this country that seed money provided by Gore and other investors created a new market and helped the U.S. take the lead in it.

--------------------
I would agree if it was the free market, but it's not, they are forcing the taxpayers to poney up, and he is making money off it.

This is the Thread Where the Wingdings Whine about Capitalism!

How many times do you have to have the difference between capitalism and crony capitalism explained to you?

Why were Tamiflu and Halliburton bad, but Gore's endeavors aren't?

"Why were Tamiflu and Halliburton bad, but Gore's endeavors aren't?"


How many times do you have to have the difference between capitalism and crony capitalism explained to you?

Doink!

Rightwingnut anti-Capitalists.... whut'll they think of next?


#4 | Posted by Corky at 2009-11-03 09:03


i just hate it when some leftist, radical, marxist, commie pinko makes me laugh...


good one numb nutts

Gore was born wealthy.... all this ideological-based, climate-change denying whining is pathetic.


#17 | Posted by Corky at


and the rich get richer.

BUT isnt this the exact thing we hear danni and others "of your ilk'...HEE HEE...cry and whine and moan and bitch about all the time
or does the "D" after his name change all that?

"but it's not, they are forcing the taxpayers to poney up"


Just as a curiosity --- how much exactly has the Taxpayer had to "pony up" to date?

In order for Gore to become a "carbon billionaire" in green energy, there has to be an untapped multibillion-dollar market in green energy

And you should probably stop pretending that that "market" exists independently of government force.

Gore could never become a billionaire just by steering green-energy government deals to ventures he invests in. Millionaire, sure, but he's already a millionaire.

-RCADE

'Last year Mr Gore's venture capital firm loaned a small California firm $75m to develop energy-saving technology.

The company, Silver Spring Networks, produces hardware and software to make the electricity grid more efficient.

The deal appeared to pay off in a big way last week, when the Energy Department announced $3.4 billion in smart grid grants, the New York Times reports. Of the total, more than $560 million went to utilities with which Silver Spring has contracts.

The move means that venture capital company Kleiner Perkins and its partners, including Mr Gore, could recoup their investment many times over in coming years.

Critics, mostly on the political right and among global warming sceptics, say Mr. Gore is poised to become the world's first "carbon billionaire," profiteering from government policies he supports that would direct billions of dollars to the business ventures he has invested in.'

www.telegraph.co.uk

his morality here is grey at best. yes these are benevolent projects for the most part. yes he is piggy backing gov funds and making loads of PERSONAL wealth off of it.

No he doesn't like to debate the science.

I don't fault him for his agenda. I fault him for the means in which he goes about accomplishing it... when millions and millions of dollars just happens to come his way as a result. he's not being 100% moral about this one.

but it could be compared to a similar situation, like re-building a country with your engineering firm. and if you don't see the correlation, then you are a blind partisan hack.

BOTH situations are disingenuous.

i think this country has a lot more important issues to focus on right now than taking the lead on 'going green'. let the euros do that.

now for the scary part: almost all of these 'issues' (including climate change/carbon output) can all be alleviated by targeting one issue: population growth on a global scale. but that's 'can't' be done, so we're skrewed.

and btw, rcade, your time stamp is an hour back...

"And you should probably stop pretending that that "market" exists independently of government force."


do you mean like rural electric cooperatives? Or factory Farming?

do you mean like rural electric cooperatives? Or factory Farming?

No. I mean like green energy.

L Ron Hubbard was my Mentor - Al Gore

but it could be compared to a similar situation, like re-building a country with your engineering firm. and if you don't see the correlation, then you are a blind partisan hack.

#28 | Posted by Yodar013 at 2009-11-03 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag: Astute observation Yoda!

eh, I thought so too till i scrolled up and saw 101 already pointed out the hypocrisy.


"And you should probably stop pretending that that "market" exists independently of government force."


do you mean like rural electric cooperatives? Or factory Farming?

"No. I mean like green energy."


Boy, you sure are good at pretending not to be pretending!

Al Gore puts his money where his mouth is?

Can we please get another copy of his light bill? I'd love to see what his 30k light bill has been reduced to since he started putting his money where his mouth is.

He's a hypocrite asking others to change while unwilling to do so himself.

Every time Al Gore exhales we come closer to a global warming catastrophe.

Funny how the rwrs all cry about Al Gore making any money on the green revolution, but had no problem whatsoever with hallichainy lying us into an unnecessary war for his own profit by giving no bid contracts to his former company.

Zat, I hope you at least get a thank you card from Al.

#1 | Posted by mysterytoy

Card hell, Al should kiss his backside for pushing global warming so much.

Most poo pooing Gore`s fiscal involvement are not thinking about how complex ideas are brought to the market. These things start as theories that must be developed into practical applications. Until they`re financially independent they are funded by government, venture capitalists, or angel investors. Think of all of the inventions and advancements for which Nobel prizes were granted; initial discovery and support was done without scrutinizing the bottom line for the near future.

America has long been a leader in technology. Why should this be any different?

For Gore`s companies to be further funded by government grants only makes sense. Those companies are likely the sector leaders which is why Gore chose to put his money there. With the increased funding they were able to improve the technology and when government lending or granting agencies were ready to lend, they chose the business most likely to succeed.

In terms of practical application, these alternative power sources will be good for America`s global security. Depending on others for energy is a weakness. Even if you don`t buy global warming, you can get behind that.

"All by her lonesome: Sen. Boxer and the empty chairs"

"Babs "Don't call me ma'am" Boxer went ahead with the markup "hearing" on her global warming bill despite the absence of all but one Republican. She sat alone during markup doing nothing for 15 minutes. I obtained photos and video of the spectacle."

michellemalkin.com


"Hey, there, lonely girl."

"Alone"

www.youtube.com

Gore makes money on Green investments...which is why we made that lying sack of shit movie....and you guys bought off on it.

Gore makes money on Green investments...

I think Gore's biggest act of hypocrisy was the concert thing he did a couple of years ago to raise awareness of global warming.

I ask you, is there anyone who actually thinks that there is not a person on the planet who is unaware of the global warming controversy -- especially those who saw the concerts? I think not. But Gore made sure billions of tons of CO2 were pumped into the atmosphere to hold these events

Whaaaaa, Whaaaaa.... Al Gore is making some money and doing some good for other people and the environment, not to mention leading America off the Arab oil titty.

The righties would feel better if he was invading/occupying/killing people in countries that never attacked us, so the giant, global oil corporations could continue to reap windfall profits by gouging Americans some more......

Hello?

Whaaaaa, Whaaaaa.... Al Gore is making some money and doing some good for other people and the environment, not to mention leading America off the Arab oil titty.

Good on him for making more money. There's a sucker born every minute. If he's able to capitalize on bullshit scams like carbon credits, awesome!

Too bad about the other stuff. We're not closer to getting off of the Arab oil tit today than we were 10 years or 20 years or 30 or 40 years ago when the idea of reducing our reliance on Arab oil was first brought up, by another president just as it has been by each subsequent president since.

Democrats. Republicans. Suckers.

But Gore made sure billions of tons of CO2 were pumped into the atmosphere to hold these events

Let's not forget the various appearances prior to and after his film was released as well as the run-up to the Oscars and all the trips around the country and the planet while the film was being made and all those other times when he'd travel here and there talking about global warming..err...climate change.

in private jets, in suv's.

instead of teleconferencing and saving some gas.

Whaaa, whaaa, I have no plan to fix the messes that the pukes I voted into office created, so I have to whine and cry like little bitches about Al Gore.....the guy who garnered HALF A MILLION more votes than my hero, who then had to be APPOINTED potus by his daddy's cronys on scotus....

Somebody call the WHAAAAMbulance for this bunch of right wing crybaby beckys'


eh?

WHAAAAMbulance

Don't forget "whine and cheese". That one's a real knee-slapper, too.

wokeunity,
Before you mentioned you stood side by side with Max 'the one armed bandit' Cleland. Did you mean you knelt side by side with him or was he wearing peg legs?

Cleland stands taller than you ever will wannabee.

When you gonna change your screename, cause everyone knows a true veteran would never denigrate a war hero like Cleland.

No woke, he doesn't stand taller than me. Maybe you haven't heard, but he doesn't have any legs.

Whaaaaa, Whaaaaa.... Al Gore is making some money and doing some good for other people and the environment, not to mention leading America off the Arab oil titty.

The righties would feel better if he was invading/occupying/killing people in countries that never attacked us, so the giant, global oil corporations could continue to reap windfall profits by gouging Americans some more......

Hello?

#46 | Posted by woke


WOKE you freaking retard. If this shit does miraculously take off your buddy Al will then be the new oil corporation. I'm sure it won't be long before we hear you bitch about his corporations as well.

Alright, maybe I was a little too harsh just a moment ago. Let's start fresh...

Making money and doing good huh? I guess that's a matter of perspective. What's your take on big pharma again? I thought their meds helped keep people healthy, and Lord knows they're making money doing it. Just curious how Al differs here other than other than not being able to back the benefit of his products.

54

1. better to have a non polluting energy source owned/operated by an American, than to keep sucking up to the Saudis like bush/harken/arbusto did, eh?

2. What's your take on big pharma? You like paying up to 11 times what countries that bargain with them pay? And btw, WTF does that have to do with Al Gore? Seems to me it's the repugs who are owned by big pharma and want the golden goose to keep laying in their coffers.

3. As usual, when righties have no valid arguments, they simply namecall and insult people. Yeah, that'll work again.....like it did in 04, eh? What was it kerry said in the debates? Oh, yeah, use DIPLOMACY in iraqnam......uh, i'm guessing you didn't notice the little truce with al sadr on Aug 29, 2007, and how the US casualties dropped in half (after doubling due to the surge feb-aug 07)


I worked with multiply handicapped individuals for over 30 years and believe me NONE of them were unable to learn, like the pathetic, indoctrinated 20%rs who are still cheering for FAILED neocon policies.

wise up some

like bush/harken/arbusto did, eh?

righties have no valid arguments, they simply namecall and insult people

and oh, yeah, if you got nuthin new to say, stfu...eh?
LMFAO
#62 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 04:00 PM |
Good advice. Take it, woke. LOL

I could care less if Al Gore makes money. Any good capitalist should feel exactly the same; if they believe their own bullshit.

"When rich people make money, it trickles down to the rest of us".

Riiiight.

I'm even okay with Al Gore and others making money from suckers like Woke (are you really AmericanUnutty? That explains so much about your inability to have any type of discussion.).

But don't try to tell me that moving the ability to pollute from one company to the next company is going actually FIX anything.

Anyone want to venture a guess what it is?

Ax

So, you prefer a carbon polluting foreign oil source making us dependent on people who hate us, eh?

Great plan buddy!

better to have a non polluting energy source owned/operated by an American, than to keep sucking up to the Saudis like bush/harken/arbusto did, eh?

Certainly is!

can you offer one up that doesn't:

A) Endanger migratory fowl.
B) Fill in vast spaces of land with construction equipment, solar arrays or wind mills.

2. What's your take on big pharma? You like paying up to 11 times what countries that bargain with them pay? And btw, WTF does that have to do with Al Gore? Seems to me it's the repugs who are owned by big pharma and want the golden goose to keep laying in their coffers.

It's a strawman. One set up to get your ranting about the right being in the pockets of Big Pharma while, just prior to this answer, you're okay with the left being in the pockets of Big Environment. It would have been better to acknowledge it as a strawman and move along.

As usual, when righties have no valid arguments, they simply namecall and insult people. Yeah, that'll work again.....like it did in 04, eh?

You do your fair share of name calling. Either you're chemically imbalanced or you're a fucking hypocrite. I know what my guess is!


What was it kerry said in the debates? Oh, yeah, use DIPLOMACY in iraqnam......uh, i'm guessing you didn't notice the little truce with al sadr on Aug 29, 2007, and how the US casualties dropped in half (after doubling due to the surge feb-aug 07)

In case you didn't notice, around about the time the "surge" was taking place, we were PAYING groups to stop fighting us and work with us. The only diplomacy used was in the form of dollar bills. What happens when we stop giving them money?

So, you prefer a carbon polluting foreign oil source making us dependent on people who hate us, eh?

???

I reread his post and I didn't see that sentiment at all or anything even close to it.

Is it possible for you to post without falsely assigning positions (IOW, lie), woke? Non-snarky question: Why is lying such an integral part of your schtick? Everyone bends the truth now and then, but you depend on lies and assigning false positions to make a point. Why is that? As I said, this is not a snarky question. I really do wonder.

So, you prefer a carbon polluting foreign oil source making us dependent on people who hate us, eh?

Great plan buddy!

You're an idiot. The only possible explanation for how you arrive at that conclusion based on what I said above is that you're stupid.

Un-fucking-believable.

Do the world a favor. Spare the world of your crotch fruit. They can only continue a downward spiral to the IQ of jelly.

Sure buddy, uh where do you get your bs talking points?


1. a.What, you give a shit about fauna? An oil addict that cares about wildlife...that'll be the day
b. yeah, oil wells, pipelines and tankers do no damage.....not to mention AIR/WATER pollution.....does solar or wind pollute the air and water genius?

2. Big environment? LMFAO....ok, you cite all the giant windfall profits from "big environment" and I'll do the same with big oil and pharma.....jebus, help this poor soul

3. I can give as well as take, and in case you didn't notice, i do my share of taking from the issue challenged rwrs on DR here.

4. The FACTS are that from the inception of the "surge" in Feb 07 thru Aug 07, US casualties DOUBLED over previous months/years. In fact, in Aug 07, before a TRUCE was brokered with al sadr, US casualties were more than the previous two Aug combined. ONLY after the truce, were US casualties cut in half and continue to decline to levels enabling iraqis to take over their own security.

Not sure?

google up icasualties.org by month/year....


Sorry buddy, but for someone claiming I'm "chemically imbalanced or you're a fucking hypocrite", you don't seem to be able to debunk my FACTS, eh?


(one can always tell the efficacy of someone's argument by their need to smear/denigrate their opponent...eh?)

let's hear it geniuses...

what are the great repug plans to wean america off arab oil?


crickets chirping...eh?


you denigrate wind/solar and turn your nose up at those trying to change energy....

WHAT'S YOUR PLAN......????


Just smear and fear of Gore isn't good enough boys......step up and tell us all the great repug plans....

then tell us why they didn't bother doing anything about them when they held scotus, potus and congress for 6 years....


??

I was serious with that question as to why you make lying such an integral part of your schtick, woke.

If you don't want to answer, just say so and I'll not ask again.

what are the great repug plans to wean america off arab oil?

Call me cynical, but I don't think anyone who can't even say "republican" really cares for an honest answer.

Goatman

You call 'Democrats' 'Demorats'. You should honestly quit calling yourself 'non-partisan'. :)

You call 'Democrats' 'Demorats'

That is not true, timex. The only derevation I've ever used of "democrat" was to describe a single poster here who acted like a brat. I called him (and no one else) a demobrat three or four times.

And if I did use it in a broad brush manner as woke did/does, I certainly wouldn't use it while asking a quesiton under the false pretense that I really care what the answer is.

Sorry, timex. You missed your target. I won't go so far as to say you lied (we all make mistakes, but I assume you won't repeat them over and over like woke does even after having been corrected) but I will say you are wrong. I don't use the word 'demorat'


Take it easy on Woke @ 4:08pm; S/he is part of the redirection brigade that have dutifully fallen into line and work their way through the forums, posting pointers back to the Bush years as the root of all things fucked up in the country today. The same crew that blamed Bush for 9/11 that occurred just 7 months into his presidency now ask us to give Obama time to settle into his role. Woke has been feeding off the social work teat for so long that any action that threatens that status quo must be challenged, if only through on-line posting of random nouns and verbs s/he copies off of the MoveOn website.

Let's look at the 4:08 Woke posting, since it really is a classic example of bouncing off the Jersey barriers of logical thought:


1. better to have a non polluting energy source owned/operated by an American, than to keep sucking up to the Saudis like bush/harken/arbusto did, eh?

Ummm...like this?: Sucking_Up_To_The_Saudis


2. What's your take on big pharma? ... Seems to me it's the repugs who are owned by big pharma and want the golden goose to keep laying in their coffers.

Yup you caught me, Woke. I'm owned by Merck and Pfizer. That's why I don't care that Obamacare will triple my health premiums so as to pay for illegals and mental defectives to get free care they don't deserve. That's why I also don't care that big pharma is one of the sole health industries that has ringingly endorsed Obamacare, which has nothing, I'm sure, to do with the fact that they have made record contributions to Reid and Pelsosi either. I support it beacuse I stand to make a mint off of Obamacare. Because i am in bed with Pfizer. Yessir.


3. As usual, when righties have no valid arguments, they simply namecall and insult people....

I direct your attention to what Woke posted in this thread alone:

#49 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 03:43 PM: "....cry like little bitches ..."
#55 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 04:08 PM: "..like the pathetic, indoctrinated 20%rs .."

More on other threads by Woke, but you get the idea. S/he's a trolling shill. Oops, sorry Woke. That was very neocon of me. Hope I didn't bruise your entitlement.

#68 | Posted by PublicTrough

Wow. You sure have a hard-on for Woke.

Great, another internet STALKER-LOL

The same crew that blamed Bush for 9/11 that occurred just 7 months into his presidency now ask us to give Obama time to settle into his role.

#68 | POSTED BY PUBLICTROUGH AT 2009-11-03 05:46 PM


I didn't have to wade too far into your post to see you weren't going to be able to debunk ANY of the info i post....but i do have a couple of questions for you.....


1. Who was responsible for freeing the us hostages in iran, 20 mins after reagan took the oath of office?

2. Who was responsible for the FIRST attack on US soil on the WTC in FEB 93>?


LMFAO@YOU

LOL. yeah sitting here waiting for something to run on the server at work. Maybe I went a little overboard constructing the response -- I never even heard of the guy before seeing his postings on this thread just now. But now that he's in my sights...

then tell us why they didn't bother doing anything about them [energy programs] when they held scotus, potus and congress for 6 years

Uh, because gas was $1.20 a gallon?

/Too bad they abandoned all those programs Clinton sponsored and put in place.
//k.. done for now

More on other threads by Woke, but you get the idea

Woke made it crystal clear about an hour ago that he is a "do as I say, not as I do" hypocrite. He demanded that I STFU if I don't have anything new to say. I suggested he do the same in regards to Bush. He said he wouldn't.

"Do as I say, not as I do", eh, joke? LOL

Obamacare will triple my health premiums so as to pay for illegals and mental defectives to get free care they don't deserve
troughboy


I love how the loser rwrs reject any and all ideas put forth by the new admin.....projecting failure.....and complaining that dems did it to bush too, ignoring the fact that 90% of Americans rallied behind bush after 911, tho it occurred on his watch, due to his focus on PNAC instead of the 28 warnings issued by American intell/LE agencies....


But, they give NO NEW PLANS to fix any of the disasters their heroes created for the last 8 years, and cannot understand why Obama hasn't fixed them yet...

LMFAO

1. Who was responsible for freeing the us hostages in iran, 20 mins after reagan took the oath of office?

2. Who was responsible for the FIRST attack on US soil on the WTC in FEB 93>?


and oh, yeah, if you got nuthin new to say, stfu...eh?

#62 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 04:00 PM |

Good advice. Take it, woke. LOL

The same crew that blamed Bush for 9/11 that occurred just 7 months into his presidency now ask us to give Obama time to settle into his role. - PublicTrough

We haven't been attacked under Obama. Role settled into.

Bush was warned about Al Qaeda and chose to focus on Iraq. The record is clear on that. Bush and Cheney refused to testify to the 9/11 Commission under oath. That stunk. What were they hiding?

STFU if I don't have anything new to say.

#72 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-03 06:00 PM

That's right sonnyboy, if you can post NO NEW IDEAS from repugs to fix the disasters they created, and just want to say NO to anyone and any ideas trying to fix them....then stfu....

You want to twist it into you saying anything, but my post was directly to the fact that you don't have any new ideas, just the OLD FAILED ones....

eh?

. Who was responsible for freeing the us hostages in iran, 20 mins after reagan took the oath of office?

Ronald Wilson Reagan, the Greatest President ever, who sits now at the right hand of Our Father, God, in Heaven above.


2. Who was responsible for the FIRST attack on US soil on the WTC in FEB 93>?

Al-Qaida trained Muslims from Kuwait and Saudi and i think Pakistan(?), funded by Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who went on unmolested by the Clinton administration to plan the second WTC attack in 2001.

Next?


The same crew that blamed Bush for 9/11 that occurred just 7 months into his presidency now ask us to give Obama time to settle into his role. - PublicTrough


We haven't been attacked under Obama. Role settled into.


Didn't make that clear, Timex. I was refering to the "What has he done in 9 months?" inquiries that were shunted off as inapropriate given his rookie ranking. I agree that there is no evidence that we are any less safe today uner Obama.

Are you one of the Truthers on the WTC bombings? Seriously?

if you can post NO NEW IDEAS

You mean new ideas like "Bush's fault. Cheney's fault"?

Whatever you say, hypocrite.

BTW, why is lying such an integral part of your schtick? If you don't want to answer, just say so and I'll not ask anymore.

See, the little loser boys cannot answer the questions posed eh?

It will show how pathetic blaming Clinton or Obama is for these foreign policy and economic disasters wrought by 4 decades of failed repug policies.......


Let me answer my own questions, k?


1. Who was responsible for freeing the us hostages in iran, 20 mins after reagan took the oath of office?

2. Who was responsible for the FIRST attack on US soil on the WTC in FEB 93>?


The fkrs who attacked us are responsible.....get it?


Instead of attacking our own potus, as repugs did with Carter, Clinton and now Obama, man up and get behind America. Stop hoping for dem failure because your heroes' failed to protect us.....

Remember how 90% of Americans rallied behind bush after 911?

Put America over your failed ideology...for once.

little loser boys

Wait! Is this the same woke who accuses others of always calling names instead of debating? Why yes, it is! LOL

Put America over your failed ideology...

and oh, yeah, if you got nuthin new to say, stfu...eh?

#62 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 04:00 PM |

Good advice. Take it, woke. LOL

Are you one of the Truthers on the WTC bombings? Seriously? - Public

No. But, it steamed me as an American citizen that Bush and Cheney REFUSED to testify under oath to the 9/11 Commission.

And raised more questions than they answered through that refusal to take an oath.

if you can post NO NEW IDEAS
You mean new ideas like "Bush's fault. Cheney's fault"?
#79 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-03 06:07 PM


No I mean new ideas like reforming healthcare for the 45 million Americans who have none, including their 9 million children.

Enacting an actual plan to remove our troops from iraqnam and afghanistan, costing us trillions in treasure and more importantly our precious vets lives....

Putting money to work to create and save American jobs instead of outsourcing them or filling the TROUGHS of giant global war and oil corporations.


Those kinds of ideas.....you know, the ones you project will FAIL?

Those kinds of ideas.....you know, the ones you project will FAIL?

Yes. Those kind of ideas.

BYW, congratulations for getting a post out without saying "Bush's fault"

I still wonder, however -- why do you make lying such an integral part of your schtick? If you don't wish to answer, just say so and I'll stop asking.

Ok Timex. I can't argue that point.

Gore, the Bernie Madoff of global warming.

John Kerry co sponsered bills to save the whales and name a building.

Gore has got a ways to go to top that.

Keep trying, AL.

The term you're looking for is 'rent seeking'. Look it up. It describes his actions.

#89

As I said, the repugs have been reduced to fear and smear, it's all they have left.....actually, considering the "do nothing" and party of NO philosophy, along with failures of their policies, that is perhaps all they ever had.


John Kerry has sponsored or cosponsored hundreds of bills during his time as a Senator. Areas of concern in the bills include small business concerns, education, terrorism, veterans' and POW/MIA issues, and marine resource protection. A full list of Kerry's sponsored legislation is available on his Senate web site.
wiki


www.johnkerry.com

little loser boys
Wait! Is this the same woke who accuses others of always calling names instead of debating? Why yes, it is! LOL
#81 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-03 06:09 PM


smear=damage the reputation of someone due to false allegations


fact=a thing that is indisputably the case


See the difference?


Oh but global warming can't possibly have an agenda to make money?

Uh huh what now?

too funny

all the little rw syncophants are regurgitating the crybaby becky skrid of the day here on DR......

i'll be rushaddict and all the other blowhards are all on this same bs talking point.....

all the little rw syncophants are regurgitating the crybaby becky

and oh, yeah, if you got nuthin new to say, stfu...eh?

#62 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 04:00 PM |

Good advice. Take it, woke. LOL

You got something to say about Gore on this thread goatman?

let me go back and see what you had to say on this thread....

all about me....


you really have a big man crush on me don'tcha goat....??

how many times do i have to tell you, i don't play on dat team?

LOL

How clever, my man stalker is reposting my posts......

That's so cute......


LOL

You got something to say about Gore on this thread goatman?

I don't do deflection. You said:

and oh, yeah, if you got nuthin new to say, stfu...eh?

#62 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 04:00 PM |

Sorry to have to force feed you your own words.

OK. Not really. LOL

That's so cute

And embarrassing, eh?

LOL

Sorry, joke. You bore me. Even da bOoB is more interesting than you. Congrats on displacing him as the DR's biggest idiot.

Later, joke.

thread after thread, you post little on topic, just post insults and inanities at me bro....

you got a problem, eh swabby?


....LOL

You bore me.

#99 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-03 10:40 PM


Hilarious, after posting on two threads all afternoon......most of them off topic and either at or about me, you claim boredom....


Actions speak louder than words son....ever hear that?


You'd best take Lisa's advice.....

I am all for cleaning up the environment and taking better care of the planet but this whole Global Warming Bullshit is just that Bullshit. Mother Nature has been a fickle menopausal bitch Her whole life. You just have to dress appropriately for the climate at hand.

Larry

The moments are rare that I agree with Larry 100%, so I must note them. Good post #102

Why is global warming the only science immune to the scientific method, debates, and independent study?

Science is a philosophy that needs to be questioned with full immunity from persecution.

Anyone on this thread ever actually watch An Inconvenient Truth?


LOL

Republicans give global-warming hearing the cold shoulder

Wednesday, November 4, 2009
The senators' nameplates were lined up neatly on the green felt. A row of black leather chairs awaited senatorial bottoms. The microphones were live and the water iced.

But something was missing as the Senate environment committee took up its landmark climate-change bill on Tuesday morning: Republicans. The members of the minority party, unhappy with the legislation, settled on a novel strategy. They refused to show up.

www.washingtonpost.com



Repugs are doing their usual, "party of no", "do nothing" congressional act.....placing their fingers in their ears, chanting....no, no, no.....

They don't want to get involved with anything that would disturb their indoctrination and interfere with their big oil cash cow, eh?


GOP-gotta stay addicted to those arab oil imports.....eh?

Repugs are doing their usual, "party of no", "do nothing" congressional act

and oh, yeah, if you got nuthin new to say, stfu...eh?

#62 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 04:00 PM |

Good advice. Take it, woke. LOL

Take Lisa's advice and ignore me genius.....post something on topic for a change, it'll do you good......


Nothing wrong with creating green jobs that help preserve the environment around us, and reduce dependence on arab oil, eh?

Take Lisa's advice and ignore me genius.....

I'll try, but honestly it is hard to ignore the village idiot when he keeps obstructing traffic on main street.

but I'll try.

Nothing wrong with creating green jobs that help preserve the environment around us, and reduce dependence on arab oil, eh?

???

No, nothing wrong with that at all. Why would you even ask such a stupid question, eh?

never

No, nothing wrong with that at all. Why would you even ask such a stupid question, eh?

He's got to be AmericanUnity. The way he likes to twist statements around and feign ignorance to what was really typed out in plain english is remeniscent of that guy.

That's the only guy I know that's even capable of turning your statement agreeing with his premise (that Gore is making lots of money from suckers and that's okay because fools and their money are soon parted) into a fucking argument against his premise.

I can't wait for another gun thread to come up so I can agree with him about certain measures on gun control, and him call me a gun nut for it.

Al Gore is too bright for the republicans to give him the respect they demand from their own buddies. They cry like spoiled brats every time the words global warming or carbon credits come up and now they are crying about the government funding the smart grid technology that can help reduce waste in the deteriorating national power grids.

Why is this? It's very simple actually. These same people who are doing the most crying are heavily invested in industries that will suffer from conserving fuel and energy like the defense contractors, big oil and the the coal industry.

Gore saw the opportunity that investing in green technologies offered and put his money where his mouth was. Now, if there is one thing republicans can't stand is government supporting investments in superstructure because this means the benefits go to everyone, which to a republican, is socialism, and not to private owners of their own pet industries.

It really all boils down to the fact the do to a general lack of education in the sciences, republicans fooled themselves into thinking that there was no global issue with climate change while the rest of the world reacted and invested in green technology while it was early in the game.

In other words, they didn't see it coming, so now it's a bad thing and Gore is a bad guy for doing what they should have done years ago.

BTW, guys like goatman have no real or valid argument so they prey on anyone who joins their pissing contests. Just take a look at how many posts he made with absolutely no point at all except to show he is smarter then the next guy.


Axiom


I find in humorous how certain DR posters, usually the ones whose BS i debunk with referenced, credible facts, think I'm some past poster.

First of all, I have never posted here before about 2 months or so ago.

Secondly, I fail to see the significance of people like yourself making this argument. ??

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."
Juliet (Wm Shakespeare)


If you want to know more about me, go to newshounds.us, register for the forum side and read away. I have been posting on that site since early 2004. The other regular posters there know me and will vouch that I am a veteran and a valued part of their community.

While I understand my style is sometimes difficult for some to deal with, I'll leave you with this:

"I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell." Harry S Truman

Great points ringmaster!

Already flagged "Newsworthy."

I find in humorous how certain DR posters, usually the ones whose BS i debunk with referenced, credible facts, think I'm some past poster.

First of all, I have never posted here before about 2 months or so ago.

Secondly, I fail to see the significance of people like yourself making this argument. ??

I find it humorous that you can read anything I've posted in this thread and think I take issue with Al Gore making money. It's especially humorous when you go to great lengths to insult, deflect or do anything EXCEPT talk about how carbon credits and carbon offsets are nothing but schemes to enrich the already wealthy while making suckers feel good about themselves.

Because that's all it is. It's pissing money away for the sake of feeling a little better about driving your SUV down to the store. It's like putting a $20 dollar bill in the offering plate on Sunday morning after a 2 day bender. You get get to feel good about yourself, temporarily...but you'll just do the same thing again next weekend.

The fact that you can't understand that is why it is significant. AmericanUnutty employed the same tactics. We would have a discussion concerning various topics and, overall, agree on most things save one minor detail, but that didn't stop the insults, deflections and strawmen. You are similar to him.

If you want to know more about me, go to newshounds.us, register for the forum side and read away. I have been posting on that site since early 2004. The other regular posters there know me and will vouch that I am a veteran and a valued part of their community.

I don't have any desire to track you down or get to know you personally. I don't give a fuck about others opinion of you. Your service in the military doesn't mean shit to me either. I'm glad you found it necessary to serve, but that's where it stops.

Being a veteran gives you no more credibility than being an ordained minister, to me. If you want some credibility, try making a fucking point instead of deflecting and building men of straw.

"I find it humorous that you can read anything I've posted in this thread and think I take issue with....."

Woke does that for one of two reasons:

A. He has a reading comprehension problem
B. He's lonely and needs to keep a conversation going.

Woke will twist your words and meanings for hours if you play his game.

Save yourself the headache and just humor him.

The moron Chicken Littles in this country have fallen for this Global Warming ruse and Gore and his pals are going to clean up at our expense... Chicken Littles embrace this nonsense and impose their views, policies, regulations and laws on us at the expense of our liberties, our pocketbooks and our children's major loss of freedoms, opportunities and future prosperity.

Cap and Tax, Gore the Billionaire = It's real simple. Follow the Money.

woke's story is more tired that Max Cleland in an ass kicking contest.

How much shine has come off the Nobel Prize recently??

Gore.. and now Obama!! What a total joke.

JM

117

1. What's wrong with al gore making money genius?

2. You are the one claiming I'm someone else you used to get your ass kicked by here on DR, not me.

if you don't like my posts and feel they aren't worthy of your comments, why post at all anything to or about me...just skip over them....


you are kinda like this guy..

You bore me.
#99 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-03 10:40 PM

As he posts over and over to or about me.....

LOL


And Lisa, you should take your own advice to goatboy and ignore me too.....

But since you spoke up, which is it today in your world?

a. abortion is murder

b. abortion is like a facelift

c. both a and b


???

What's this old world coming to
Things just ain't the same
Any time the hunter gets captured by the game
smokey robinson

121

DNC official: GOP siding with terrorists

A top Democratic National Committee official reacted furiously to a statement from Republican Party Chairman Michael Steele mocking -- and describing as "unfortunate" -- President Obama's Nobel Peace Prize.

"The Republican Party has thrown in its lot with the terrorists - the Taliban and Hamas this morning - in criticizing the President for receiving the Nobel Peace prize," DNC communications director Brad Woodhouse told POLITICO. "Republicans cheered when America failed to land the Olympics and now they are criticizing the President of the United States for receiving the Nobel Peace prize - an award he did not seek but that is nonetheless an honor in which every American can take great pride - unless of course you are the Republican Party.

"The 2009 version of the Republican Party has no boundaries, has no shame and has proved that they will put politics above patriotism at every turn. It's no wonder only 20 percent of Americans admit to being Republicans anymore - it's an embarrassing label to claim," Woodhouse said.

www.politico.com


How about a list of repug nobel winners and what they did to win it?

How about a list of repug nobel winners and what they did to win it?

Tell me how one goes about determining the political affiliation of a Nobel winner and I'll be glad to oblige.

But since you spoke up, which is it today in your world?

???

Lisa has been nothing but crystal clear with her views on abortion. Are you really so stupid that you have to ask her that question, or do you just get your jollies picking on and antagonizing ladies, little man?

just asking for clarification

are you trying to be a gentleman?


think Lisa isn't capable of speaking for herself?

think Lisa isn't capable of speaking for herself?

???

I was asking you a question directly. Here, let me try again:

" Are you really so stupid that you have to ask her that question, or do you just get your jollies picking on and antagonizing ladies, little man?"

Which is it?

Gosh,

another question from the puppydog who stalks my every move on DR....lol


Answer mine:


Do you think Lisa isn't capable of speaking for herself?


Your sexism is showing again sonny.


Pretty funny, not only do you not take Lisa's advice to ignore me, she cannot even take her own advice to do so.

LMFAO

Answer mine:

Quid pro quo. I asked first.

Also, I'm still wondering why you lie so much. You don't have the cojones to answer that one. That's no surprise though. What happened? You "woke" up without them in vietnam one day? LOL

another question from the puppydog who stalks my every move on DR

Don't flatter yourself. I stalk all the stupid eunuchs here.

Ok puppydog, whatever you say......go back and count your posts to me on this thread and the bush/obl one.....then show me any such stalking of any other posters.


Goatman???
Whatever happened to taking my suggestion??
LOL

#92 | POSTED BY LISA AT 2009-11-03 10:16 PM


LOL

Still can't answer, huh, little man?

What's this old world coming to
Things just ain't the same
Any time the hunter gets captured by the game
smokey robinson

Still can't answer, huh, littls man? LOL

I'll choose A&B. You are both stupid and you like to antagonize the ladies.

Correct me if I'm wrong. LOL

Aw, whatsamattau puppydog...is daddy not giving you the attention you deserve?

You think you need to answer for Lisa, cause she's a woman?

Let me remember the last time i answered one of your inane, gotcha questions.....you continued to say i never answered cause you are too stupid to understand the answers, even after other posters agreed I had.....

Here, puppy.....here's doggy treat for ya!


LOL

woke,
When you claimed you were standing "side by side" with John Glenn, John Kerry, and Max "The one armed banit" Cleland, did somebody pull Cleland to you guys on a wagon?

Also, because he only has one arm, does he simply wheeel himself in circles, or does his wheelchair have some newfangled kind of positraction?

You think you need to answer for Lisa, cause she's a woman?

???

I asked you a question. I wasn't speaking for anyone. Simple concept, really -- even for an idiot who wasn't able to maintain his wits in vietnam

I see I was correct with choice "A", stupidity. I'm pretty sure "B" is also correct though.

errrr....I should clarify.

I meant to say "woke, when you told the americanunity-like lie about standing side by side..."

Tell us about your time in Korea...

Woke pulls Max around by his dick if that didn't get blown off. It probably did though -- by woke

I'm sure AmericanWokity was proud of John Kerry when he tracked down that retarded and wounded vietnamese child and shot him in the back.

Or the time he was in cambodia on Christmas Eve...

YEsTERDAY ON BECK

and I know that disqualifies it for some of you since you have your head stuck up obamas and gores ass but he played clips of the report about how eating meat is worse for global warming than emissions combined and also that this comes from a IPCC report that gore NOW says doesnt really count.

SO>...BURNT ANIMAL FLEsH OR EVERYONE.....

This cook pulled one over and is bragging about it. Thank God Bush beat this guys ass in the election.

139/140/141

Examples of how rwr chickenhawks support our troops and honor our vets......

Is it any wonder they are now a party of 20%.


Only question left is how 20% are still so stupid as to still follow their skreed.....

But one has only to look at those posts to see how...eh?

A little wannabee with a military handle and his syncophant jerking each other off....while denigrating a war veteran.

A little wannabee with a military handle and his syncophant jerking each other off....while denigrating a war veteran.

#144 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-04 12:51 PM | Reply | Flag: Here is how you denigrate a war veteran, or better yet 530,000 of them:

John Kerry, 1971 before congress:
JOHN KERRY: Several months ago, in Detroit, we had an investigation at which over 150 honorably discharged, and many very highly decorated, veterans testified to war crimes committed in Southeast Asia. These were not isolated incidents, but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis, with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command. It is impossible to describe to you exactly what did happen in Detroit--the emotions in the room, and the feelings of the men who were reliving their experiences in Vietnam. They relived the absolute horror of what this country, in a sense, made them do.

They told stories that, at times, they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam, in addition to the normal ravage of war and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country.

"razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Ghengis Khan"

And you fuckers wanted this guy to be your president.

Between him and Al Gore, is it any wonder George Bush was our president for 8 years???????

Sound of crickets . . .

Yeah, Boo,

What would a Vietnam war veteran know that you don't, eh?

Do you even understand that Kerry was ASKED to report to congress on the Winter Soldier testimony by 100+ Vietnam vets?
And you are denigrating him for reporting the testimony he heard?

Or that the reason the vets testified was because nixon was attempting to scapegoat Calley as some kind of loose cannon, when in fact, he was following the free fire zone, search and destroy orders of the day, and they were standing up for their vet brother?

Think about this. hallichainy approved torture, but who was held responsible? Lyndie Englund and her bf....low level grunts doing what they were told to do.....

But i guess folks like you support that kind of smearing of war vets and "justice" only for those following orders and not for those giving the orders, eh?

Are you even aware, that like kerry, and unlike lilaWol, gore is also a Vietnam vet?


Wise up some son...and stop denigrating war veterans cause you don't agree with their POLITICS....


vvaw.org
ivaw.org


Honor the warriors, not the war

and stop denigrating war veterans cause you don't agree with their POLITICS

LOL I'm a veteran, woke. You denigrate me all the time because of my politcs. You denigrate many other war veterans besides me because you don't agree with their politics.

I guess this is another addition to the woke "do as I say, not as I do", eh? LOL

What a fucking hypocrite.

Wise up some son...and stop denigrating war veterans cause you don't agree with their POLITICS....

Honor the warriors, not the war

#148 | POSTED BY WOKE AT 2009-11-04 01:28 PM

I'm a veteran, woke.
#149 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-04 01:32 PM


That so? Then why are you denigrating other decorated WAR veterans who actually spent time in war zones, based on their politics? Especially Max Cleland. And, why did you include "by woke" on your post?
>>>
Woke pulls Max around by his dick if that didn't get blown off. It probably did though -- by woke

#140 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-04 11:11 AM


Do tell?


Just another right wing chickenhawk who cheers for unnecessary wars for profits, then denigrates those who return, unless they agree with your politics, eh?


You and cherryboy are a great team.....eh?

LOL

Then why are you denigrating other decorated WAR veterans who actually spent time in war zones, based on their politics?

Um. because I disagree with their politics. They don't get a pass simply because they are vets.

My turn: Why are you such a hypocrite? Why do you do the very things you tell others not to? I'm also still waiting to hear why you lie so much. I'll bet you don't have the balls to answer, eh. PRove me right -- again. LOL

Thanks for clarifying that you honor politics over service, though i already knew that.


As for me, I give as i get. If people treat me as I treat them, great. If they spend all their time denigrating the poster instead of addressing the issues and info and facts i post, then I do likewise to them....in fact, i do a better job of it than they do....

Since i began posting here it is YOU who follows me around like a lovesick puppydog stalker, spewing inane gotcha questions and misinformation.

You claimed previously I'm full of shit. And my response was that you are the fly on that shit eating it. And you continue to do that.

How's that taste sonny?


What's this old world coming to
Things just ain't the same
Any time the hunter gets captured by the game
smokey robinson

Fuck you Woke. You are completely and utterly full of shit.

I don't care if he was asked to do it. He had zero code of honor and denigrated every veteran who served in Vietnam with his self serving little speech.

There were plenty of Vets who did their job in Vietnam without ever doing any of the inflammatory crap Kerry threw at Congress that day.

And anyway it was you assholes who put that back stabbing benedict arnold out there as your presidential candidate along with that slimy fuck John Edwards and then you bitch about the fact that we voted for Bush.

I heard woke also has a Jane Fonda shrine next to the Kerry shrine in his house.

Thanks for clarifying that you honor politics over service, though i already knew that.

No, thank you for doing the same. Or do you honor my politics and I must've missed that post? LOL

What's this old world coming to
Things just ain't the same
Any time the hunter gets captured by the game
smokey robinson

and oh, yeah, if you got nuthin new to say, stfu...eh?

#62 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 04:00 PM |

Good advice. Take it, woke, eh. LOL

Regardless of what you believe about his causes, any rational person would admit that Gore having a huge financial stake in the global warming debate makes him less credible.

then you bitch about the fact that we voted for Bush.
#153 | POSTED BY BOOJIBOY AT 2009-11-04 02:29 PM

Ah, I see, you need a reason for your failure to vote correctly and the subsequent debacle lilaWol made our our economy and foreign policy.
Just because you fell for a group of smear liars who were all connected to your hero, either thru business or family or politics, and you believed them, doesn't make Kerry any less of a war hero. It just makes you a dumbass for falling for their bs. And that you STILL are trying to SPEW their lies and misinformation just shows how deluded you STILL are son.


Let me clue you into something son. John Kerry is a decorated war vet. (silver and bronze stars and 3 purple hearts across two tours in a war zone). I know him and met all 13 his swift boat vets who actually served with him on his crafts. They all said they would still follow him anywhere. But that isn't what the corporate owned msm focused on. Only people who smeared him were repug operatives and that is a fact.

www.yuricareport.com

You've been duped!

The FACT is that like in iraqnam, in Vietnam, low level troops followed orders and were punished for doing so, while the perps who ordered these actions escaped unpunished. Those orders included search and destroy, free fire zones and using defoliants/carcinogens and willy pete on the environment and populace, including our own vets. If not for groups like vvaw, there would still be no acknowledgment or treatment for Agent Orange victims or PTSD and we might still be occupying VN.

Now, iraqnam war vets are returning and telling their story.
ivaw.org (note also the recent DR thread about this)


wise up.....stop denigrating war vets for politics


honor the warriors, not the war


vvaw.org

156

How so?

In my book, he's putting his own money where his mouth is....and that he chooses to invest in ideas he champions makes him MORE credible.....not less.

As opposed to smarmy, smirking drunken frat boys who borrow money from saudis for failed oil speculation schemes and rely on daddy's contacts and public money to make money on ballparks.

What do you call a guy with 1 arm and no legs?

Max!


Hahahahahaha.

It's a boring day - I've got nothing to do
Except to get a load of retards and drive em to the zoo
Oh oh oh takin' retards to the zoo (x2)
Load 'em on a bus just for laughs
Down a winding road stepping on the gas
Down a winding road just to stay dreaming
Down a winding road with the retards screaming
Oh oh oh takin' retards to the zoo (x2)
One of them blowing a big spit bubble
Slam on the brakes at the first sign of trouble
Head on collision bodies everywhere
Head on collision retards beware
Oh oh oh takin' retards to the zoo (x2)

As for you goatman,

I have NEVER denigrated your service in any way. Just your stupidity. I believe you even acknowledge that voting for lilaWol was stupid, eh?

See, you fail to understand that denigrating a person's politics is one thing, but lilaWol/hallichainy/
rover...these pukes tried to denigrate Kerry for his service in order to smear him politically. Complaining he didn't spend enough time in country and that he awarded his own medals to himself, etc...on and on. And the msm was complicit in focusing and regurgitating those LIES over and over.

Are you even intelligent to know the difference between these things? Apparently not back then and not now either, eh?


Just as they outed our own cia ops for political retribution because someone had the guts and smarts to call them about their lies which placed our vets in harm's way for their own profits, they denigrated Max Cleland, John Kerry and even John McCain.

Why don't you STOP listening to the rw bs being spewed by crybaby becky and rush addict and begin thinking for yourself?

Oh, and try posting on topic with some valid points backed up by a link to a credible reference, instead of stalking posters whom you cannot dispute the facts they provide?

You cannot be as stupid as you appear by your DR posts.

Can you?

And goat

LOOK who've you've aligned yourself with.....instead of decorated war vets....


lilaWol
hallichainy
101 cherryboy


Do you think any of these people ever knew what it was like to serve anyone but themselves?


A person is known by the company they keep.


LOOK who've you've aligned yourself with.....instead of decorated war vets....

lilaWol
hallichainy

Show me a single post where I have aligned myself with Bush (that's who lilawol is, right?)

That's right you can't. In fact I can show you many (including addressed directly to you) where I have said I don't like him.

You are a liar.

Why do you lie so much, woke? And once again, please show the class that you have no balls and will not address your pathological lying. LOL I win this one again, don't I liar, eh?

It's pretty sad that you can't use facts to make a point, isn't it, joke? IOW, you have nothing, so you lie. If you had anything, lying would not be necessary. Thanks for proving that you have nothing.

A person is known by the company they keep.

So you admit you are a nobody? LOL

I have NEVER denigrated your service in any way.

I never said you did. (another lie. Why do you lie so much woke? Is the truth that hard for you to find?) I said you denigrated me. Which makes you a hypocrite because you said:

stop denigrating war veterans cause you don't agree with their POLITICS....

Posted by woke at 2009-11-04 01:28 PM |

Why are you such a hypocrite, woke? Isn't being a pathological liar enough baggage for you to carry around?

Show me a single post where I have aligned myself with Bush (that's who lilawol is, right?)

#163 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-04 03:57 PMa

Aligned=VOTED FOR

Did you vote for the little smarmy, smirking legacy and his penguin war profiteering veep or not?

Did you vote for the little smarmy, smirking legacy and his penguin war profiteering veep or not?

Quid pro quo and I asked you first to please show me one post where I have aligned myself with bush.

Speaking of quid pro quo, you still haven't answered my questions why do you lie so much and why are you a hypocrite?

I heard woke also has a Jane Fonda shrine next to the Kerry shrine in his house.

#154 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-04 02:41 PM

Actually, I just honor WAR vets, people who have been in the shit, not hollywood bullshit artists like ronnie reagan and john wayne and charlton heston......

Oh, I know, reagan served, his poor eyesight kept him stateside.......he made propaganda movies for the army, right?
It's where he learned to LIE so well, no doubt. But at least he completed his obligation, eh?


After completing fourteen home-study Army Extension Courses, Reagan enlisted in the Army Enlisted Reserve[26] on April 29, 1937, as a private assigned to Troop B, 322nd Cavalry at Des Moines, Iowa.[27] He was appointed Second Lieutenant in the Officers Reserve Corps of the Cavalry on May 25, 1937, and on June 18 was assigned to the 323rd Cavalry.[28] His service number was 0 357 403.
Reagan was ordered to active duty for the first time on April 18, 1942. Due to his nearsightedness, he was classified for limited service only, which excluded him from serving overseas.[29] His first assignment was at the San Francisco Port of Embarkation at Fort Mason, California, as a liaison officer of the Port and Transportation Office.[30] Upon the approval of the Army Air Force (AAF), he applied for a transfer from the Cavalry to the AAF on May 15, 1942, and was assigned to AAF Public Relations and subsequently to the 1st Motion Picture Unit (officially, the "18th AAF Base Unit") in Culver City, California.[30] On January 14, 1943 he was promoted to First Lieutenant and was sent to the Provisional Task Force Show Unit of This Is The Army at Burbank, California.[30] He returned to the 1st Motion Picture Unit after completing this duty and was promoted to Captain on July 22, 1943.[27]
In January 1944, Captain Reagan was ordered to temporary duty in New York City to participate in the opening of the sixth War Loan Drive. He was re-assigned to the 18th AAF Base Unit on November 14, 1944, where he remained until the end of World War II.[27] He was recommended for promotion to Major on February 2, 1945, but this recommendation was disapproved on July 17 of that year.[31] He returned to Fort MacArthur, California, where he was separated from active duty on December 9, 1945.[31] By the end of the war, his units had produced some 400 training films for the AAF.[27]
en.wikipedia.org


Wonder why he didn't get promoted?

Wonder why he didn't get promoted?

And I wonder why you are a hypocrite and why you lie so much.

That's right genius, I'd rather "align" myself with war vets, than with a smarmy drunken frat boy legacy, or a group of smear liars that denigrate other war vets based purely on politics......


align=vote for


war vets=those who've actually been in the shit


That's right genius, I'd rather "align" myself with...

"That's right genius, I'd rather be a hypocrite and lie all day long."

FTFY, woke.

woke must have gotten brain damage when that bastard Cleland tried to frag himself.

WokeUnity,
Tell us when you stodd side by side with Cleland, Kerry, and Glenn, liar.

Come on AmericanWoky, tame and date of the supposed side by side.

Why do you insist on making up stories? Don't you learn?

I stood beside them in Vietnam and during the Kerry campaign- along with Kerry's actual boatmates, buddy,

while you sucked up to a group of war vet denigrating chickenhawks like yourself....and pretended to be patriotic....

So in other words you were lying. Wokeunity, it's not nice to lie.

I stood beside them in Vietnam and during the Kerry campaign

Were you as big of a liar back then as you are now, or was that something you had when you 'woke' up? Is that when the hypocrisy started, too, or was that pathos also a childhood thing?

I didn't know John Glenn was in Viet Nam.

Lie?

You mean like claiming Cleland blew his own legs and arm off when it was a cherryboy fresh recruit who'd never been in the shit that did it....

like yourself and your little circle jerk buddy goatboy?

Pretty fkn funny how these fellows think they are so smart, denigrating war veterans from behind their little computer screens, when in actuality, if they were face to face with any of these war vets.....they'd stfu pretty quick, eh?

LMFAO@ the circle jerk twins!

Sorry boys, I don't play on that team.

And Kerry was Navy, but you stood with him and his boatmates? Possible, but unlikely. Given your proven propensity to lies, I really doubt you, joke.


I didn't know John Glenn was in Viet Nam.

#178 | Posted by goatman at 2009-11-04 04:43 PM | Reply


He wasn't, wokeunity is lying again.

I think the guy is fucking crazy.

You mean like claiming Cleland blew his own legs and arm off when it was a cherryboy fresh recruit who'd never been in the shit that did it....

#179 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-04 04:44 PM | Reply

No, that's just trolling. I mean like lying about standing alongside John Kerry, John Glenn (who was never in vietnam), and Max Cleland.

You know, that kind of crazy assed blatant lying.

Lie?

You mean like claiming Cleland blew his own legs and arm off when it was a cherryboy fresh recruit who'd never been in the shit that did it....

No, lie like when you claimed I was a misogynist, lie like when you say I supported Bush, lie like when you said I was all for importing oil, etc.

Are you really this stupid?

So woke -- why are you a hypocrite and why do you lie so much?

I campaigned with Glenn and Kerry and served with Cleland genius.


Cleland then served in the United States Army during the Vietnam War, attaining the rank of Captain. He was awarded the Silver Star and the Bronze Star for valorous action in combat, including during the Battle of Khe Sanh on April 4, 1968.
On April 8, 1968, Captain Cleland was the Battalion Signal Officer for the 2nd Battalion, 12th Cavalry Regiment, 1st Cavalry Division during the Battle of Khe Sanh.[3]
On April 8, with a month left in his tour, Cleland was ordered to set up a radio relay station on a nearby hill. A helicopter flew him and two soldiers to the treeless top of Hill 471, east of Khe Sanh. Cleland knew some of the soldiers camped there from Operation Pegasus. He told the pilot he was going to stay a while and maybe have a few beers with friends.
When the helicopter landed, Cleland jumped out, followed by the two soldiers. They ducked beneath the rotors and turned to watch the liftoff. Cleland reached down to pick up a grenade he believed had popped off his flak jacket. It exploded, and the blast slammed him backward, shredding both his legs and one arm.
David Lloyd was a gung-ho, 19-year-old enlisted Marine, son of a Baltimore, Maryland ship worker, who went to Vietnam because he "wanted to kill Communists."
On that day, he was in a mortar pit on a hill near Khe Sanh when he heard the explosion. Fragments bounced off his flak jacket. He ran to the injured Cleland, saying 'Hold on there, captain, the chopper will be here in a minute.'
Lloyd took off his web belt and tied it around one of Cleland's shredded legs. When the medics arrived, he left to help another injured soldier one of the two who had gotten off the helicopter with Cleland.

That unnamed soldier was crying. 'It was mine,' he said, 'it was my grenade.'
According to Lloyd, the private had failed to take the extra precaution that experienced soldiers did when they grabbed M-26 grenades from the ammo box: bend the pins, or tape them in place, so they couldn't accidentally dislodge. This soldier had a flak jacket full of grenades with treacherously straight pins, Lloyd says. "He was a walking death trap."[4]

Due to the severity of his injuries, doctors amputated both of Cleland's legs above the knee and his right forearm.[5] He was 25 years old.

wiki


You know what goatboy, you may have served, maybe not, but aligning yourself with a puke like cherryboy and denigrating decorated war vets makes you less of a man than anyone i ever served with.....and not worthy of further interaction in this life.

Honor the warriors, not the war


vvaw.org
ivaw.org
mfso.org
gsfp.org
vfp.org
vcs.org
votevets.org

Sorry boys, I don't play on that team.

I know. You prefer the losing team. So sad to see you go, liar. But honestly, you are too easy of a punching bag. I should be ashamed at myself for going after the low hanging fruit

Ah yes, the story grows. That's where liars like you get yourself in to trouble, eh?

You claimed you stood alongside Kerry, Glenn, and Cleland. Shall I get the post in question, you lying kook?

I campaigned with Glenn and Kerry and served with Cleland...

Oh. The story changes from only an hour ago. Fuck you are one pathological liar, woke. 101 asked:

Tell us when you stodd side by side with Cleland, Kerry, and Glenn, liar.
You replied:

I stood beside them in Vietnam

#175 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-04 04:37 PM

You are pathetic, woke. Can't even keep you lies straight for one hour.

187. I just did, 101.

No Goat, I'm talking about this gem...



cherryboy,


max cleland, john glenn and john kerry are personal friends of mine. Stood side by side with them on more than one occasion.


cleland would kick your ass WITHOUT his legs and arm sonny....


glenn has more courage in his little toe than you do in your entire little body


kerry has more honor than you or any of your chickenshit, chickenhawk heroes....


so stfu wannabee


#65 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 10:23 AM | Reply

LOL. I forgot that one. That's a good one.

The best part is in typical AmericanUnity style, he brings up John Glenn out of fucking nowhere (not to mention the absurdity of calling them personal friends).
I don't think anyone mentioned John Kerry either, but that's besides the point.

The guy is frigging looney tunes.

I have never questioned anyone's claim that they served in the US Armed Forces, but as I sit here and watch woke's lies grow and grow, I can't help but to question if he was ever really in the service. It would not surprise me at all if he never was and he is one of those people who buy medals off the internet, a uniform from goodwill, and sits in the park all day telling people his war stories -- just like he's telling them to us now.

I just checked, and prior to that liars post in that thread, my only post was the one below. I, nor anyone else mentioned John Glenn or John Kerry. He went all AmericanUnity and just had to name drop. I remeber when AmericanUnity claimed to be a Colonel while posting as AllAmerican.



woke,
If Max Cleland had both his arms, he'd box your ears for being such a retard.

#61 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-11-03 10:07 AM | Reply

...he brings up John Glenn ...

You would also think he would be smart enough to at least google first to see if John Glenn was in Vietnam. LOL The only thing worse than a liar is a stupid liar.

I did shake John Glenn's hand once at a book signing ~15 years ago at Barnes and Noble. That was the first and only time I stood in a line for anything at all, much less to meet a person. But we only exchanged words long enough for him to sign the book.

Here's me shaking John Glenn's hand (only my arm shows in that one) and me next to John Glenn.

i239.photobucket.com

i239.photobucket.com

Eat your heart out, woke. LOL

Woke,
You miss my point entirely. Or you just deliberately avoid speaking to it.

I don't have a problem with Kerry's service. I have a big problem with how he shit all over his fellow vets in front of congress.

And the simple fact of the matter is we were at war in '04 and given what he did in 71 I felt he was unfit to lead our troops. As a matter of fact, at any time-he would be unfit to be commander in chief.

In fact, the entire Winter Soldiers Investigation was a lie. It was inspired by Mark Lane's 1970 book entitled Conversations with Americans, which claimed to recount atrocity stories by Vietnam veterans. This book was panned by James Reston Jr. and Neil Sheehan, not exactly known as supporters of the Vietnam War. Sheehan in particular demonstrated that many of Lane's "eye witnesses" either had never served in Vietnam or had not done so in the capacity they claimed.

Nonetheless, Sen. Mark Hatfield inserted the transcript of the Winter Soldier testimonies into the Congressional Record and asked the Commandant of the Marine Corps to investigate the war crimes allegedly committed by Marines. When the Naval Investigative Service attempted to interview the so-called witnesses, most refused to cooperate, even after assurances that they would not be questioned about atrocities they may have committed personally. Those that did cooperate never provided details of actual crimes to investigators. The NIS also discovered that some of the most grisly testimony was given by fake witnesses who had appropriated the names of real Vietnam veterans. Guenter Lewy tells the entire study in his book, America in Vietnam.

Just more of nixon and john o'neill's hatchet campaign against vets who returned to speak truth to power....not unlike the smear liars of 04......

Vets who testified at Winter Soldier have been confirmed as real.....

Burkett's attack on the Winter Soldier Investigation follows the same pattern. He relies on a Neil Sheehan review of Mark Lane's "Conversations with Americans" and simply repeats charges of Sheehan on selected Lane interviewees. (Mark Lane subsequently substantiated the veracity of his interviewees, but that isn't mentioned by Burkett.) With real enthusiasm (similar to that shown in other sections of the book devoted to African-Americans), Burkett provides a detailed account of the exposure of Al Hubbard of Vietnam Veterans Against the War for lying about his military rank. Burkett points out that Hubbard authored a poem that was published as an introduction to the testimonies given at the Winter Soldier Investigation. Burkett does not note that Al Hubbard did not testify in the Winter Soldier Investigation. The only other member of Vietnam Veterans Against the War that Burkett specifically accuses of false statements about his military records is Michael Harbert. Like Hubbard, Harbert did not testify at the Winter Soldier Investigation. Based on only these two cases, Burkett concludes that the Winter Soldier Investigation was a "tribunal" affected by non-veterans giving false testimony. He does so without impugning the veracity of even one veteran who actually testified at the Winter Soldier Investigation.

www.vvaw.org


you've been duped just like you were by the smear liars son.....and it seems to me if you truly honor war vets you'd bother to find out what is true and what is not.....

Here is the actual testimony buddy.....if you CARE enough to right yourself and the bs you've been fed..

www.wintersoldierfilm.com

www.wintersoldierfilm.com

.and your rw smear liars have already been debunked....


Here's your homework....find out who said this:

When people speak to you about a preventive war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war.

Boohick,

Oh, you don't like what Kerry did when he came back eh?

When you are done with your homework, and realize it's Dwight David Eisenhower, the man who guided the USA thru WWII, perhaps you might want to check your logic for disparaging Kerry and others of us who returned from nam and spoke truth to power, relating our experiences and protesting the war in an effort to save other vets.

Because, wtf do you think we were fighting for if not the rights we hold dear, including dissent?

And who else would deserve that right more than those of us who actually fought for it?


more IKE


May we never confuse honest dissent with disloyal subversion

As Timex rightly pointed out, i figuratively stated that i stood by Kerry, Glenn and Cleland.....in Vietnam and during Kerry's campaign...

Uh, John Glenn was in WWII and Korea and orbited the earth....all during my early years.....so obviously i realize he didn't serve in nam and wasn't saying he did.....

I met him at a Kerry campaign stop and spoke with him at length about my grandfather, who came to the USA at age 14 from Wales and 4 years later was in WWI's bloodiest battle of Verdun (france) when my mom was born, the first of 8 children. Her middle name was given to be Verdun. I told him about my dad's coast guard stint in the south pacific, in the Phillipines and in Nagasaki and about my uncle being lost behind the lines in Korea for 10 days, but surviving.
RIP all. I told him of my own experiences also.

A couple years later, I was leaving the local college, where Winter Soldier documentary was shown and as my wife and I walked to our cars, someone called out my name......It was John and Annie Glenn in the same parking garage and he remembered my name from our one chat two years earlier.

I met Kerry wearing my vvaw hat and he stopped amid a throng of people and reporters and signed a vvaw bumper sticker for me. He said, "that's a beautiful thing".....referring to American's right to dissent and protest. He was very soft spoken and took the time, despite the chaos to let me know how much he still cared about bringing our troops out of harm's way in these current unnecessary wars for profit.

I have never actually met Max Cleland, (yet) but did stand beside him and Kerry in Vietnam. Recently, I heard him interviewed on Fresh Air with Terry Gross and could not help but be amazed and cry at the shabby way he was smeared by karl rove for politics, (and lies are still being spewed by scum like 101).....not only because of his terrible injuries, but because of what he has accomplished in his life since. The tears flowed when he spoke of regressing and returning to Walter Reed for treatment following the unnecessary invasion of iraqnam and smearing of Kerry and all those atrocities brought back to those of us who have experienced these things first hand. He also spoke of the smearing of him in the Georgia race in which Saxby Chambliss (and the neocon hate machine) manufactured and distributed a pamphlet with a photoshopped pic of him and OBL on the cover. (I don't think his dad was in business with OBL's dad, eh?)


Please, continue smearing decorated war veterans for your pathetic, failed political movement.....but realize that you are less than, because of it.
20%rs.

Honor the warriors, not the war

Scott Carpenter was at Tektite II.
Blow me.

1 . "The nation is now wrapping up the 11th year of a new era of heightened Atlantic hurricane activity. This era has been unfolding in the Atlantic since 1995, and is expected to continue for the next decade or perhaps longer. NOAA attributes this increased activity to natural occurring cycles in tropical climate patterns near the equator. These cycles, called the tropical multi-decadal signal, typically last several decades (20 to 30 years or even longer). As a result, the North Atlantic experiences alternating decades long (20 to 30 year periods or even longer) of above normal or below normal hurricane seasons. NOAA research shows that the tropical multi-decadal signal is causing the increased Atlantic hurricane activity since 1995, and is not related to greenhouse warming."
(
www.magazine.noaa.gov).

Ok...NOAA has no clue as to what they are talking about and I should believe Al "Not So Scientific" Gore? The biggest threat to planet earth is all the crap that mankind puts in the ground and the over-population on the surface.

You still don't get it. And yes I knew dwight was permanently effected by what he saw in WWII. What Ike DID NOT do was denigrate his fellow soldiers in front of Congress. Whatever political career Kerry hoped for after that moment it certainly should not have included CIC. Get over yourself.

For the last time moron, Kerry REPORTED what other vets said, he did not denigrate our troops, never has, never will.....Vietnam vets like myself came home and spoke truth to help bring our brother vets out of hell on earth.....

for you to claim we had no right to speak truth is absurd.....no American has a better right to do so than those of us who fought for those rights....


For you to continue to the smear lies as you are makes you just as culpable, but you are obviously too stupid or too duped (what's the diff?) to realize it....

1ST in the 70's it was "Global Cooling" the next "Ice Age" is coming. Now that it hasn't happened it's "Global Warming". Since this most recent scare tactic has been exposed it is now become "Climate Change".

What a bunch of crap! It's all made up to fill some pockets full of your money. Wake up people, if the climate changes it's not because I threw a plastic bag away or drank too much last night.

If we could effect the "Climate" then we probably would. Make it warmer? Probably in the north, yes.
But sadly we can not program or adjust the "Climate"
Either way.

It's like me saying to you "I can flick this switch and turn the sun on and off".

You wouldn't believe it and neither would I.

Over and out. Live your life without all the guilt and it will be more enjoyable.

You can judge how important a problem is by how people that are supposed to understand behave. Al Gore says that the beef industry is a huge CO2 culprit. But He still eats steaks like they are going out of style. His house uses as much electricity as 20 average houses. He claims that he only uses clean energy to power his house but you cannot sort out the electricity source once it enters the line. Plus if he is "only" using green energy then his usages is forcing 20 homes to use conventional energy.
With his jets, houses, parties and lifestyle, Al Gore's action does not show that the problem with CO2 is a real threat.
I have a problem with someone that is making billions off of a scare project whose flames he is fanning.

25 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-11-03 11:43 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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"but it's not, they are forcing the taxpayers to poney up"


Just as a curiosity --- how much exactly has the Taxpayer had to "pony up" to date?


according to eli.org from 2002-2008 the government(taxpayers) have spent 2.3 billion for carbon capture and storage; 12.2 billion for traditional renewables; and 16.8 billion for ethanol. brings the total that the taxpayer had to "pony up" for those years to 31.3 billion. And that was during the evil Bush years. I am sure this will be tiny compared to what lies ahead.


As Timex rightly pointed out, i figuratively stated that i stood by Kerry, Glenn and Cleland.....in Vietnam and during Kerry's campaign...

#201 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-04 08:12 PM | Reply | Flag

cherryboy,


max cleland, john glenn and john kerry are personal friends of mine. Stood side by side with them on more than one occasion.

#65 | Posted by woke at 2009-11-03 10:23 AM | Reply

As you can see in post #209, it clearly wasn't "figurative".

You're a real peach. You claim to be close personal friends and claim to have stood side by side on many occasions with Max Cleland, a man you later tell us you have never met.
There's nothing figurative about calling somebody your close personal friend. There's also nothing figurative about "more than one occasion" either.

I loved the AmericanUnity like detailed cover story about Verdun. Fucking classic, liar.

Chair,


Woke may be pushing his craziness into Celisary territory.

I met him [Glenn] at a Kerry campaign stop...

I didn't know he campaigned in vietnam.

I stood beside them in Vietnam and during the Kerry campaign- along with Kerry's actual boatmates, buddy,

Woke may be pushing his craziness into Celisary territory.

In some ways, woke is beyond that. At least celery doesn't drop individual names and as far as I know, though he's crazy, he doesn't contradict himself on every other post. Celery's craziness is consistent.

Goat,


Celery makes BBob look sane by comparison.

These are the people saying I denigrate war vets and lie...


Do you know what they nicknamed Cleland when they laid him at the front door?
Mat.

How about when they tossed him into the water?
Bob.

When they hung him on the wall?
Art.

#235 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2009-11-05 09:18 AM

That's hilarious jeff, ever serve in a war zone buddy?


Woke pulls Max around by his dick if that didn't get blown off. It probably did though -- by woke
#140 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-11-04 11:11 AM


I'm sure AmericanWokity was proud of John Kerry when he tracked down that retarded and wounded vietnamese child and shot him in the back.
Or the time he was in cambodia on Christmas Eve...
#141 | POSTED BY 101CHAIRBORNE AT 2009-11-04 11:17 AM |


Pretty courageous, denigrating war vets from behind a computer screen, while claiming someone else has......

nuff said.

Kerry lied and claimed he was in Cambodia on Christmas eve. He also lied about throwing his medals.

You lied when you called Cleland, Kerry, and Glenn "Personal friends" and you lied when you claimed you stoood with them on more than one occasion.


You've been busted, liar.

PS- I'd use Cleland as a kickball.

Woke, you consistently miss my point. Kerry may have felt morally compelled to report as he did. But from that moment on he never should have had delusions that people would not remember him doing it when he arrogantly ran for commander in chief. Gee I wasn't in Vietnam, I was too young to serve at the time. Did you chop the ears off of dead bodies? Raze villages like Genghis Kahn? Isn't it great that due to John Kerry that is the image that is perpetuated about boys who accepted the draft requirement and served their country?

And don't think for a nanosecond that his eloquent testimony in any way shape or form influenced Nixon and Kissinger's policy of achieving 'Peace with Honor' in the Vietnam war. That is a fantasy perpetuated by folks like you.

You libs all but assured another 4 years for Bush when you put your votes behind him

Why don't we set up a meeting 101 bullshit snitchboy?


I'll copy all your posts denigrating him and send them to him, along with the other ones by your little group of circle jerk vet denigrators....and then we'll see just how fkn courageous you and your kkkomputer kkkommandos really are wannabee....


I have never flagged anyone's posts here, as you have done mine, but perhaps I'll copy rcade in on all these pathetic smears you and your buddies like to make on war vets, simply because you don't agree with their politics.....

Then we will see what we will see sonnyboy.....


Yeah, the guy that you said was your personal friend (you know, the one you never met) is going to take your call and arrange to have one of his 2 remaining appendages kicked off...

Are you seriously this crazy?

Now wonder you worked with retards. They're the only ones that don't think you're fucking nuts.

BTW, you're a liar. And Kerry was never in Cambodia on Christmas Eve as he claimed, so he's a liar, too.

Hey, how about you set up a meeting with him as well? I'd like to fight both him and his wife at the same time.

For those who actually value war veterans and their service and would like to know more about Max Cleland

www.npr.org

Strong at the Broken Places (Hardcover)
~ Max Cleland
www.amazon.com


Going for the Max!: 12 Principles for Living Life to the Fullest
by Max Cleland

search.barnesandnoble.com


and his newest:


Heart of a Patriot: How I Found the Courage to Survive Vietnam, Walter Reed and Karl Rove

blog.al.com

I'm going to mosey over to a troll free zone called newshounds.us....


there you can see actual, genuine debate from people of all political stripes......especially on the forum.....

with no rw trolls namecalling, lying, smearing, insulting, misinforming, setting people up, or otherwise diverting threads...


hopefully, rcade will take notice of what has been done there to provide a safe haven for those who prefer to civilly debate issues without the scum of the earth interfering...


and anyone wanting to verify anything i've said about 2008, just needs to go there, register on the forum and ask any of the long time regulars....there are also forum threads documenting many rw troll inanities, including 2008's, as well as a sockpuppet thread noting his and other rw trolls using multiple screenames to divert honest discussion into the kinds of flame wars seen daily here on DR

or go to rangerbobfriends.blogspot.com a blog originally set up to memorialize 2008 and his lies

Every day the similarities between you and that lying tool americanunity grow.
He used to whine about how he was going to go over to Kos.

BTW, lw trolleyboy, tell us again how you're close personal friends with people you've never met. That story is hilarious.

americanunity??

Was that the name of your last mancrush?

Sorry for you loss......but that's what happens with stalker's and unrequited love sonny.....


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