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The estimated share of Americans younger than 65 who'd sign up for the public option plan under the health care bill that Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), is steering toward House approval: two percent (6 million people).

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If we are to believe the poll, 60%+ of people approve of a public option. Of course, as long as it's someone else who has to use the public option. This poll is revealing and I think it has more significance than academic polls asking for support of a public option.

Disengenous use of percentages

FTA

The budget office estimated that about 6 million people would sign up for the public option in 2019, when the House bill is fully phased in. That represents about 2 percent of a total of 282 million Americans under age 65.

within that pool of 30 million people 1-in-5 would take the public option.

that is actually 20%

Very crafty headline....

Thats assuming these numbers are even remotely related to reality.

Though he does make a good point, if a public option does not represent insurance that people can actually afford, then it is a waste of time bickering over whether to have it or not.

and we are pursuing a public option because....if the numbers are correct, these people are already covered in one form or another through indigent programs with state run facilities. Come on Dem's, you can come up with a better plan without spending so much money. The options are there just open your eyes.

Yet another proposal to fix a postage stamp on a donkey's ass.

WTFUA!

6 Million? I thought Dems have been telling us for months that 40 million people go without health insurance. What about the other 34 Million? What will they do?

What will they do?
#4 | Posted by JOE

Why should you care if enrollment in the public option is "only" 6 million? I don't recall you posting in favor of a massively-enrolled public option.

Why should you care if enrollment in the public option is "only" 6 million?

Because the argument in favor of the public option is that too many Americans are uninsured. If the public option will not adequately address that problem, then it's time to start wondering whether it will be worth the cost.

45million without insurance and only 6 million would go for it? Sounds nancy and harry have a great plan there.

Millions of Americans will be in line for subsidized health care, so I just wonder, do y'all on the right really want to subsidize them through a private insurance company or the cheaper public option. Do you honestly want subsidies for low income people to boost profits for insurance companies???

Do you honestly want subsidies for low income people to boost profits for insurance companies???

That depends on whether I own stock in the insurance company. Think about how much better Nancy, John F. Kerry (hey he won three purple hearts), and the other uber-wealthy dems would feel if they funneled the "subsidy" to AIG...since they own a significant amount of AIG Stock.

As for what to do with the people who are not covered...I guess we build jails so we can imprison them when they fail to comply with the compulsory health insurance part of the bill. That would be your only option since they don't pay taxes and don't have the money because they are ....sniffle...POOR!

your answer is in the article danni. the public option will not be cheaper according to the CBO:

The budget office said "a less healthy pool of enrollees" would probably be attracted to the public option, drawn by the prospect of looser rules on access to specialists and medical services.
As a result, premiums in the public plan would be higher than the average for private plans.

...the CBO goes on to say this will drive many to purchase private insurance. (pssst! read the article before you start sniping)

"As a result, premiums in the public plan would be higher than the average for private plans."

But then they would be higher still if these people had private insurance subsidized. Same question still applies, would you want to increase private insurance company profits or use the cheaper public plan???
What it really illustrates though is the foolishness of prventing a real single payer system that would insure everyone instead of a private system for the younger, healthier demographics and a public plan (Medicare) for the older, sicker demographic. If Medicare is good enough for our parents it would be good enough for us, and gee whiz, how come the CBO won't do a cost comparison between Medicare for all and the current system???
Why...because the saving would be tremendous and everyone knows it.


Danni,

If this system is so good, why is Congress exempting itself from it? Speaks volumes to me.

Citizen, because they already have a "Cadillac Plan" that we get to pay for.
I just think the whole argument is crazy, if Medicare is good enough for us when we reach 65 and, more than likely, will then actually need more health care services the why would it not be good enough for us now, while we probably require very little medical care???
If people would honestly ask themselves that question I think it would be hard to come up with a great argument for continuing with such a system which is obvioulsy more concerned with preserving the profits of insurance companies than providing quality health care to Americans for the lowest possible cost which is what we should be doing.

I don't see how the public plan is cheaper though danni. the policitians keep saying it will be cheaper than private insurance, yet the CBO keeps coming up with a different conclusion. IMO, a tax subsidy would be cheaper than creating another government bureaucracy such as medicare. just another section on IRS forms.

until it's actually
cheaper for the consumer & taxpayer, I don't think this dog will hunt as advertised.

good question abouut medicaere. does medicare balance it's budget under the current system? how much more would medicare tax be if we covered everyone without age restrictions? would the medical system collapse with medicare only paying 20% of the actual cost alongside a huge increase in recipients? the answers to those questions might be why giving everyone medicare isn't being considered.

"the answers to those questions might be why giving everyone medicare isn't being considered."

You don't even believe that. The reason it isn't being considered is because the insurance industry has deep pockets and lots of lobbyists. The other objections you mention are all details that could be worked out.
First, those under 65 would still pay premiums but they would be lower.
Second, the payment system could be revised to prevent any problem with doctors and hospitals, etc.
It is obvious that without the profit, advertising and bloated adminstrative staffs of insurance companies we would start saving huge amounts of money.

Today's comepletely horrible, in bad taste, offensive, and should be dumped joke of the day. I am sorry in advance:


6 Million, huh? Time for another holocaust.


Flag away. I could probably use the vacation =D

Flag away. I could probably use the vacation =D

#16 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-11-02 11:25 AM | Reply | Flag

Nah, you're Jewish so you can make comments like that - it's only us gentiles that get in trouble when we say things like that... :)

you're Jewish so you can make comments like that

That is anti-Semitic! =P You can't treat me any differently just because I am Jewish.

I'm against it.

Let me just say, that I am against it!!

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As a result, premiums in the public plan would be higher than the average for private plans.


If I was offering the private plan, I'd raise my price to be closer to the public plan.

I'm still cheaper, but I'm going to make more money.

So we spend 1.4 Trillion for 6 million people? We can insure the 14M that would actually use the coverage for 40B...so why are we doing all this?

If the issue is coverage why not spend the 40B and not 1.4 Trillion and dismantle our whole system?

Or could this be for another reason?

I bet none of that 6 million are even Rethugs.

Why are the Rethugs so afraid of an "option" they wouldn't even qualify for?

"Why?"

I am so glad you asked!

Because it doesn't matter if it would help or hurt Americans the Public Option would hurt the Party if it passes.

Therefore they are against it.

Period.

"If I was offering the private plan, I'd raise my price to be closer to the public plan.


I'm still cheaper, but I'm going to make more money."

You're assuming that the anti-trust exemptions will remain in effect, hopefully they won't and real competition can begin.
I think there actually should be a "trigger" but I think it should be something like, if rates don't stabilize and begin to go down within 2 years we automatically just switch to Medicare Part E and be done with it.

if the plan is so good for everybody, THE PEOPLE should make all politicians go on it. watch that ruckus that movement would cause. oh so special.....

#24

Uh, the 'Public Option' would only be available to the self employed and small business owners.

Reading is fundamental.

When whatever is ultimately passed it won't amount to much -- the answer is still easy-- healthcare has not been competitive-- bring in competition and then cover the uninsured with a public plan.

#26

Yep, Matsop.

The right wingers have a hard time comprehending the word 'option', and seem to want to pay 100% more in 7 years in private insurance premiums. Go figure.

I thought the purpose was to insure the uninsured...but the majority of the 30 M (15M?) uninsured was because they were a) Illegal Aliens or b) unemployed Only a few were in the area of employed but could not afford it.

The rational pitched by Pelosi and Biden et. al. (and repeated here) was that hospitals were going broke and the cost of health care for all of us was spiraling upward because of us having to pay for the uninsured.

To enforce this they were going to MAKE EVERYONE get health insurance. The Baccus bill was to charge apx . 3500 per year (for 4 years BEFORE it would kick in - basically pileling up the cash) to cover it.

BUT if you are unemployeed or illegal - do you have the means to pay the government? NO Does this "FIX" the ocverage issue? NO

So..only those who can afford the 3k will be paying - only 12M Americans will get additional coverage and it will cost us 1.4 Trillion.

And you wonder why people do not want it?

The reason the expansion of medicare to others won't happen is that it would quickly move directly to a single payer system and if you think congress has a problem with a "public option" which is being sold as competition then they won't touch this option.

Here's the deal about the various "public options" that are being promoted--- most of them are conceptual and who really knows what the heck would happen in the future--- one thing I know is that taxes (revenues) for whatever is going to be done in the future would be frontloaded. Politically, things could change a lot before the supposed onset of these plans about 4 years from now. That means the gov. could collect a lot of taxes with the populace not having a clue of what's really going to rear it;s ugly head in the future. That's why the more I look at this thing, the more I don't like what the smell test tells me.

The right just want the uninsured to crawl in a hole and die. Out of sight out of mind.

#31 | Posted by jackass

Actually, I think most people on the right would agree that if the uninsured want insurance they should go out and BUY it and stop expecting everyone else to carry their weight. If their not capable of carrying it, there plenty of programs out there to help them. The majority of us are pulling our weight and have little use for freeloaders.

Wake up dumbasses. It's never been about health care. It's always been about POWER and redistributing wealth to the lazy asses who won't work. The more they give away to the "poor" and the illegals, the more votes they buy with YOUR hard-earned tax dollars. They make insurance companies the target so you dumbasses will fall for their line of BS and support their takeover of your, repeat, YOUR life.

Got it figured out yet? Be sure and vote for the Libdems next time. Got any money left after they use yours to pay for liposcution, abortions, and sex change operations? Wait and see.....

Kill this dinosaur bill, stop the stimulus spending and save the liberty, country. Term-limited out of power candidates may__may slowly undo the damage over time.

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