They use al queda to train the kashmiri separatists/terrorists.

Kashmiri freedom fighters have a totally separate setup and they have been around doing their thing long long before al-Qaeda existed.

now learning the law of unintended consequences as the jihadists go after them.

We are going after them actually.

From another thread that just went bust...

Sample of Pakistani reaction:

Basically, she is like the spoilt child who wants the moon in her hand, not realizing she can never do so.

Two things:

1. I have made it clear here in DR, like a million times, that Pakistan will only kill the groups that do it harm.

2. Whatever she said, is only part of her imagination. Nobdy here took her very seriously.

Like someone observed, the lady is a bit stupid since she couldn't even see what her husband was up to. LOL

The US will just have to be happy with what it's getting.

As Waziristan is searched, and if nobody can see any sign that Osama was here or is still hiding there, it would expose American intelligence as a lie-machine.

someone asked her about the US putting "insulting" conditions on the billions of dollars we are sending over there and she pretty much said they don't have to take our money if it insults them.

And yet, she didn't say that Obama is going to make a point NOT to insist on those conditions (basically oversight of where the money goes).

So we take the money without most conditions that were in there originally. LOL

was that a hijab hillery had on her head?

What, this?

Why would we care?

Who said, we care what you think?

This was a sample from a blog of what WE think of your Shrillary .... which isn't much. LOL

Get used to seeing hijab...

Like I said, that's a dupatta and you put it on your head only for as long as you are at a mosque or at some shrine.

T0oday I heard on the radio (NPR) that the ISI considers the Afghan Taliban to be the "good Taliban."

More or less.

They can be bought off. Exactly what the US is now thinking of doing (there was thread about it here on DR).

And they are not being any trouble to us right now.

When I heard that, I thought to myself, "the only 'good Taliban' is a dead Taliban."

Oh, we don't like those animals at all. But life is easier if you can find a way to work with someone (even if you don't like them) instead of trying to kill them all the time.

Are they with us or against us?

Both. Like Quantum Physics. The cat is both dead and alive at the same time.

and that includes presenting U.S. concerns about how much success Pakistan is having, she said.

We heard her "concerns".

They are nothing new.

Clinton said it's time to "clear the air" with a key U.S. ally.

More like farted...

There are now going to many many more "concerns" as the people who escape the Pak-Army's onslaught, move to Afghanistan and make trouble THERE.

The province of Nuristan has already fallen to the taliban who we kicked out. It happened last week.

why doesnt she just shut the fuck up on this sort of nonsense and just do her fuckin job

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Friday she did not come to Pakistan for "happy talk."

Her remark about Al-Qaeda was made in a meeting with journalists and that too it was almost as if she made it in passing.

In talks with the Govt. she was all "happy talk". In fact, she didn't really present any American point of view at all from what I saw.

Of course, in interviews with CNN... back on American soil.... she sez "I showed them!"....

Nope. Not really.

I find it hard to believe that nobody in your government knows where they are and couldn't get them if they really wanted to,' she told a group of newspaper editors during a meeting in Lahore.

So nobody in the Pakistani government knows what she said to the press

Of course they do.

But as far as the art of diplomacy is concerned, it is far less significant then if she had said it to their face.

If she had said it in private meetings with government officials, we would not know.

We would know. Nobody here can keep a secret. Not from me and my buddies anyway.

Really doesn't matter unless our government is willing to stop sending checks.

Which they aren't. Hell, they even removed most of the "conditions" which annoyed us so. LOL

All things considered, this was a good visit by a senior American official.

What was significant was (as the Americans pointed out to our press) that they didn't send a flunky this time... this time the lady arrived herself.

I will also be gracious enough to say, she's a lot smarter than her husband was.

But is she presidential material? Probably not.

From yesterday.

But, seriously...what took you so long?

When you see a duck swimming, you see it doing nothing. However it is paddling furiously under the surface of the water.

Were you waiting for us to show the way?

You show the way? Your "way" has failed.

You just lost the province of Nuristan to the taliban. the province of Paktia is about to fall as well.

Do you seriously believe that by allowing the Extremist Hate that you have allowed to fester in your country through the Mullahs and the Taliban for decades

The "hate" you speak of, festered in the UN run refugee camps for Afghans. All these taliban came out of there.

However, there was no real trouble with any taliban here before 2004-2005.

Once again Tosser seems to claim

That quote wasn't from me. I gave a sampling of other people's posts from a Pakistani blog.

As much as I hate to defend Tosser, I don't think the idiotic quote about having no reason to invade Afghanistan was his. That was part of his sampling of "Pakistani reaction" to Clinton.

LOL... he said it a second before I did.

That said, you can probably get Tosser to agree with it.

He'll have to tickle me under the tootsies first.

But, we have stood up to the Taliban. Which is what I meant by showing you the "way".

You have stood up to the Afghan Taliban... a bunch of hard-ass village idiots.

You have never gone against the TTP.. Pakistani-Taliban... who are an order of magnitude more dangerous simply because they, being in Pakistan, have access to a whole lot more technology than their Afghan cousins could ever have.

Regardless, we haven't "failed" yet.

Nuristan falling, is a failure. The talban now regularly attacking Kabul itself, is also a failure.

I didn't do much research but I did find a documentary dated 2001 that showed the Taliban closing schools and teaching their particular brand of hatred towards women way before even then.

In Pakistan??? In 2001?

Or in Afghanistan?

There were problems in your camps... but they were your camps... not the UNs. The UN was trying to help YOU. They were in YOUR country.

The Afghans in the camps had their own way of doing things.

We (the Govt of Pak) never tried to shove our ways or beliefs down their throats.... it would never have worked anyway.

All the do-gooders who tried, went back in tears.

I do admit, that when the taliban came alive, we did use them to our advantage.

Their first job was guarding a convoy of Pakistani trucks across Afghanistan driving all the way to Central Asia, riding shotgun.

The taliban did the job perfectly. Nobody had the guts to stop and loot our stuff.

That was their first and only job.

Meanwhile Pakistan-Navy has started a huge naval exercise called "Sea-Spark 2009".

All assets are at sea. Including the new submarine destroyers.

The exercise spanning over six weeks would employ all operational units, including ships, submarines, aircraft, special services group and marines.

This will continue for 6 weeks.

Nobody leaves by sea. And nobody approaches by sea.

Pakistan's ocean just went into lock-down. (coincidence?)

All other navies in the area have been warned not to wander about like castrated cattle, in case they have an ... accident.

Good for Hillary. We need more tough talk

"Tough talk" made as an aside whisper.....

Some "tough talk" that was! LOL