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It's laughable when some right-wing Christians claim they are being persecuted when the government refuses to allow Nativity scenes on public land. Yet the Religious Right has just anointed its latest Christmas martyr, Michigan resident John Satawa.

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"It just so happens that this street median in Michigan seems not to be one of them."

How sad that this even needs to be said.

Damn it.

The War on Christmas keeps getting here earlier every year.

Home Depot had their Christmas stuff up the first week of September.

Both sides of this debate have pretty much been taken up by douchebags. I only wish there were a way for all them to lose.

"And though our Founding Fathers' purpose was to protect religious freedom, it was not to favor or prefer one religious belief over others (or religion over non-religion). That's why when Thompson and others cry persecution for not receiving privileged treatment, it's a little hard to take them seriously. "


Privileged treatment? Apparently he does not have the privilege of even the "loose weight now" signs.



"It just so happens that this street median in Michigan seems not to be one of them. "

Fine if the reason was that it was blocking sight or making it dangerous to drive but not because they don't like what he is saying.
It is amazing, they say it violates our constitution, these people are government and apparently have never even read the thing.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; "

Just who is acting outside the constitution?

I'll give thees officials the benefit of the doubt and just assume that they are acting in fear of some thought police PC crusaders or something but this is still persecution of religious acts.

The street meridian is public property. He's free to put up whatever he likes on his own property.

One complaint, and not from a local resident:

"After receiving a complaint by the Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation last December, the Road Commission of Macomb County told Satawa to remove the holiday display, citing incomplete permits. Satawa's permit application was later denied because it "clearly displays a religious message" and violated "separation of church and state," Macomb County Highway Engineer Robert Hoepfner wrote."
www.foxnews.com

Christians are offended?

Hope they can forgive us...........

"Just who is acting outside the constitution?"

The guy who thinks his religious display should be supported by your tax dollars on our public property.

Would you similarly support a Buddha statue in the meridian? How about if the majority of those who voted on election day were Buddhists, would it be okay then?

"Would you similarly support a Buddha statue in the meridian? "


Yes that is exactly the point. If you choose to be a nation that supports free speech then you cannot limit it because of religion. In no way could you consider this a government establishment of religion, that is the only thing the first amendment guards against(regarding religion.) It is no different then any other sign or display, it should not be treated differently. So the question is, if it were a display of a new sandwich at a sub shop would you have a problem with it?

"If you choose to be a nation that supports free speech then you cannot limit it because of religion."

So when the athiests want to post a sign that says "Jesus Is a Fraud" in Vegas-Style lights, and when the Muslims want to put up a giant diorama in the middle of the public park, you'd want your taxes to go to support that?

"In no way could you consider this a government establishment of religion"

Nonsense. As soon as you use one penny of public money or one square centimeter of public land, it's quite clear: My tax dollars are going to support your religion. Since I would be foursquare against the Buddha, or the Islamic diorama, or the "Jesus Fraud" sign, I can't -- in good conscience -- support a public endorsement of my beliefs, either.

"So when the athiests want to post a sign that says "Jesus Is a Fraud" in Vegas-Style lights, and when the Muslims want to put up a giant diorama in the middle of the public park, you'd want your taxes to go to support that? "


I have no problems with anyone's right to express themselves. Like i said there should be no difference between religious expressions and non-religious. In fact by the government making the distinction you could say that that would be establishing a religion.


"Nonsense. As soon as you use one penny of public money or one square centimeter of public land, it's quite clear: My tax dollars are going to support your religion."

OR you could say that your tax dollars are going to support free speech. It is not the fault of the religious types that so many have lost sight of what freedom of speech is. Just because it is of a religious nature does not mean it should be limited.
I doubt if there would be any problems if rather then a nativity scene it was a sign for a Martha Stewart book signing. How can you take away a right from one group of people because of their religion and somehow it not be establishing religion, in this case atheism.

"militant atheists, acting like the Taliban,"

.......this is a contradiction.......

.....the Taliban don't act like militant atheists, they are a deeply conservative, religious organization........

......sort of like baptists, except with beards and kalashnikovs.......

"I have no problems with anyone's right to express themselves."

Sorry, I don't believe you. You're only in favor because it's YOUR views being displayed.

"Just because it is of a religious nature does not mean it should be limited."

Put it on your property all you want. No limits there. No one complains when a creche is erected on a church lot. Why do religionists insist they have the right to commandeer every piece of public property anywhere? Fill up the places already being supported by the public via tax breaks for the churches first.

"Sorry, I don't believe you."


Not my problem.



"You're only in favor because it's YOUR views being displayed."


My views are that each religion(Except perhaps the occult) has positives that it relays to the people. IF a religion promotes personal growth, the inherent good outweighs and dogma issues i any have with it.


"Put it on your property all you want. No limits there."


You still have not answered the question about non-religious displays.

""militant atheists, acting like the Taliban,"

.......this is a contradiction......."


You are right it should probably change Taliban to Stalin or Mao or something.

" IF a religion promotes personal growth, the inherent good outweighs and dogma issues i any have with it."

Well, for some, that leaves out a lot of Christian denominations. Who gets to decide?

"(Except perhaps the occult)"

Oh...YOU get to decide...got it.

"You still have not answered the question about non-religious displays."

Probably because it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not religious displays should be supported by tax dollars.

"Probably because it doesn't have anything to do with whether or not religious displays should be supported by tax dollars."

Should any display be "supported by our tax dollars"?

By the way what specifically do you think this display cost us taxpayers?


"Oh...YOU get to decide...got it."
I have not seen anything in the occult that is beneficial to society, that is why the perhaps was in there.

If this guy was smart he would have gotten a few friends together, dressed up as the 3 wise men et.al, filmed it, put it on Youtube, claimed it was "Performance Art" and gotten a National Endowment for the Arts grant.

Christians are offended?

Hope they can forgive us...........

Are you anevangelical preacher having sex & meth with a gay hooker?
No?
The you're out of luck.

You are right it should probably change Taliban to Stalin or Mao or something.
.......#15 | Posted by salamandagator

......perhaps....but then you'd have to know what you are talking about.......and that's not gonna happen......

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