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Wednesday, October 28, 2009

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#1 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-10-28 12:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

online.wsj.com

#2 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-10-28 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does J Street arrival signal a split in America's Israel lobby?

www.csmonitor.com

J Street challenges the dominant role AIPAC has played in defining how US Jews see Israel. Why is a prominent Israeli politician not attending J Street's national conference in Washington this week?.

#3 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-10-28 12:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Turns out the "Robust Public Option" can't even make its way through The House:

www.drudge.com

There's something to be said for bickering Democrats, though most of the descriptive words end with 'omo', 'ithead, or 'ocksucker'.

#4 | Posted by cookfish at 2009-10-28 12:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

""America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."

joseph stalin

#5 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-28 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Death Panel is In

www.seattlepi.com

#6 | Posted by Corky at 2009-10-28 12:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's just a little bit of history repeating. In 1993 it was also Dem infighting that, thankfully, killed the government takeover of health care.

#7 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-10-28 12:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

#6 SPAM ALERT.

#8 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-10-28 12:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can being laid off really make you better off?

www.msnbc.msn.com

Isn't being ladi of great? GoObama! Go chronic unemployment! This will be Obama's 9% 11% problem, the unemployment rate.

#9 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-10-28 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Remember that in the 60s the Democrats could not even push through the Civil Rights Bill without the Republican votes as not enough Dems would vote for it.

Now the current 'health' bill seems doomed as not enough Dems once again will no vote for it :)

#10 | Posted by MSgt at 2009-10-28 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

If being ladi off makes you healthy, then let's lay everyone off and then we won't need health care reform.

#11 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-10-28 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was always told, si el trabajo es la salud,que trabajen los enfermos (if working is healthy, let the sick work), this is contradictory, and I am confused.

#12 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-10-28 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

#10 | Posted by MSgt

"Health Care Reform" has little to do with the opposition to it. Screw the American people and vote down a bill to make Obama look bad. That's all it is. 5% of people might choose a 'public option' and that has the right all fired up?

Fine, pay $20,000 in 5 years and $30,000 in 10, or watch your job get outsourced or insurance dropped period because neither you nor your employer can afford it anymore. People don't stop to think they might get better raises now and then if insurance wasn't so expensive. Duh.

#13 | Posted by Timex at 2009-10-28 12:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can being laid off really make you better off?

9 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-10-28

Idont know but where can you sign up for the research group.

#14 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-28 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

stop whining timex

very soon there will be a republican in the vien of ronald reagan coming to rescue you and the country.
we dont know who or when but its coming.,

#15 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-28 12:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

If the makers of the H1N1 vaccine have protection from lawsuits, then why the hell shuld people risk injecting that unproven untested substance into their body without any legal recourse if anything goes wrong? No thank you. To quote Teresa Heinz Kerry, "shove it!"

#16 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-10-28 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does anyone believe the Obama brats really got the H1N1 vaccine? There is no way to verify it.

#17 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-10-28 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

YA -HOOOOOO !

Two dumps for me !!!!!!

C'mon - somebody try to irk me!

#18 | Posted by 8roper at 2009-10-28 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"YA -HOOOOOO !"

I prefer Google.

#19 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-10-28 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

GoObama! Go chronic unemployment!

Go Bush!

Go 3 American million jobs sent overseas in the name of "(one sided) free trade" never to return.

Go Bush!

The fellow who intentionally let the corporations run amok with NO rules, NO regulations and, who when elected, stated "I'm a gonna run this government just like a business" (err, think "Harken Energy" which collapsed under Bush's leadership).

Go Bush!

The man whose policies in large part were the cause of the collapse of the U.S. manufacturing base -- up until that time the best in the world -- and helped take down the American middle class along with it.

Oh yes, "Go Bush" and keep on going -- as far away from political office as possible.

#20 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-28 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

CC, Bush wanted those 3 million people to lead more healthy virtous lives, don't tyou understand how good it is to be unemployed?

#21 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-10-28 12:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

No, I don't.

#22 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-28 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does anyone believe the Obama brats really got the H1N1 vaccine? There is no way to verify it.

#17 | Posted by member2586

Yes they did. I hope you don't have any "Brats." Your seed does not deserve to reproduce (unless it's your colon buddy...)

#23 | Posted by Chill at 2009-10-28 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

YA -HOOOOOO !

Two dumps for me !!!!!!

C'mon - somebody try to irk me!

#18 | Posted by 8roper at 2009-10-28 12:38 PM

"IRK: to annoy, provoke, anger, bother, frustrate"

Hey, that happens the minute one logs in on DR.

Besides, if you got dumped look at all the laughs I'd miss!

#24 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-28 12:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

A Georgia Democratic Congressman was seated next to a little girl, whose parents were Republicans on the airplane leaving from Atlanta when he turned to her and said, 'Let's talk. I've heard that flights go quicker if you strike up a conversation with your fellow passenger.'

The little girl, who had just opened her book, closed it slowly and said to the total stranger, 'What would you like to talk about? Oh, I don't know,' said the southern Dem congressman. 'How about global warming or universal health care', and he smiles smugly.

OK, she said. 'Those could be interesting topics. But let me ask you a question first. A horse, a cow, and a deer all eat the same stuff - grass. Yet a deer excretes little pellets, while a cow turns out a flat patty, and a horse produces clumps of dried grass. Why do you suppose that is?'

The southern Dem legislator, visibly surprised by the little girl's intelligence, thinks about it and says, 'Hmmm, I have no idea.' To which the little girl replies, 'Do you really feel qualified to discuss global warming or universal health care when you don't know shit?

#25 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-10-28 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#23 | Posted by Chill

I don't plan to. No need to worry.

#26 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-10-28 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

8Roper, you better be niggardly with your comments towards Lisa.

#27 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-10-28 12:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Apparently Sarah Palin is also hiding something "huge".... a pie?

Sarah Palin is the owner of a small marketing business called "Pie Spy" that was founded during her last few months as Alaska governor, according to financial records released on Tuesday.

Pie Spy is described as a business involving "Services for the Elderly and and Persons with Disabilities" in documents filed with the Alaska Department of Commerce. According to the Anchorage Daily News, the LLC's address is that of Palin's Anchorage lawyer Thomas Van Flein.

Pie Spy is listed in the same disclosure statement that revealed Palin's $1.25 million advance from HarperCollins for her upcoming memoir Going Rogue. The filing covers her family's finances from Jan. 1 to July 27, her last months in office.

Politico's Ben Smith reports that Pie Spy was incorporated in March and that Palin's spokeswoman Meg Stapleton and lawyer Thomas Van Flein did not respond to questions about the business.

www.huffingtonpost.com

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2009-10-28 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

That was paraphrased.

not my words, Wis.

#29 | Posted by 8roper at 2009-10-28 01:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

so the white uses the ny times to out a cia operative...or to influence public option on the war in order to continue ditering?

#30 | Posted by scooter28054 at 2009-10-28 01:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

obama cant move policy forward with all the time he spends on the links

#31 | Posted by scooter28054 at 2009-10-28 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

The profit motive has become outmoded. It must be replaced by the incentives of the welfare state."

#32 | Posted by scooter28054 at 2009-10-28 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

defines liberalism as "meeting the material needs of the masses through the full power of centralized government."

#33 | Posted by scooter28054 at 2009-10-28 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"obama cant move policy forward with all the time he spends on the links"

Lots of business gets conducted on golf courses.

Had a passing thought about Joe Lieberman, wonder if he is angling to get the idea of taking away the insurance industy's exemption from anti-trust laws dropped.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-28 01:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The profit motive has become outmoded. It must be replaced by the incentives of the welfare state."

Riiight, that's why the insurance industry gives Lieberman so much money to sell out his constituents.

#35 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-28 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

the full power of centralized government"this was the very thing the Founding Fathers sought to minimize. They knew that governments don't control things. A government can't control the economy without controlling people. And they know when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. They also knew, those Founding Fathers, that outside of its legitimate functions, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector of the economy.

#36 | Posted by scooter28054 at 2009-10-28 01:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Can being laid off really make you better off?
www.msnbc.msn.com
Isn't being ladi of great? GoObama! Go chronic unemployment! This will be Obama's 9% 11% problem, the unemployment rate.

#9 | Posted by member2586

Are you retard? Or just paid to be here? Both? Figures. Did you even read the article, idiot?

The study was concluded prior to Obama becoming President. It occured over a number of years. It measured the relative happiness of the people specifically from Boeing. It determined that those who were laid off often got new jobs, even if they paid less, and were happier there. Why can't you read? Stupid Republicans.

#37 | Posted by Sycophant at 2009-10-28 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Riiight, that's why the insurance industry gives Lieberman so much money to sell out his constituents.

#35 | Posted by danni

WRONG AGAIN

Joe L is doing exactly what we constituents want.

My county is red and we run that fuckin state

I am not sure where you get the idea that his constituents are being sold out by him

he is hugely popular.

then again I don't care to try and figure out where you get any of your numbskulled ideas from.

#38 | Posted by 8roper at 2009-10-28 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bwah ha ha !

Joe Lieberman has Danni climbing the walls.

#39 | Posted by 8roper at 2009-10-28 01:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

#36 | Posted by scooter28054

...No. They didn't know any of that. The who idea of Capitalism was still in its infancy. Mercantalism was the name of the game. Why did they minimize Federal power? Because they had to pass the damn thing through a bunch of states who wanted and were accustomed to complete autonomy. They didn't even have a single currency yet!

#40 | Posted by Sycophant at 2009-10-28 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

But as a former Democrat, I can tell you Norman Thomas isn't the only man who has drawn this parallel to socialism with the present administration, because back in 1936, Mr. Democrat himself, Al Smith, the great American, came before the American people and charged that the leadership of his Party was taking the Party of Jefferson, Jackson, and Cleveland down the road under the banners of Marx, Lenin, and Stalin. And he walked away from his Party, and he never returned til the day he died because to this day, the leadership of that Party has been taking that Party, that honorable party, down the road in the image of the labor Socialist Party of England.

#41 | Posted by scooter28054 at 2009-10-28 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is a man who, in his own business before he entered politics, instituted a profit-sharing plan before unions had ever thought of it. He put in health and medical insurance for all his employees. He took 50 percent of the profits before taxes and set up a retirement program, a pension plan for all his employees. He sent monthly checks for life to an employee who was ill and couldn't work. He provides nursing care for the children of mothers who work in the stores. When Mexico was ravaged by the floods in the Rio Grande, he climbed in his airplane and flew medicine and supplies down there.

who was this man?

#42 | Posted by scooter28054 at 2009-10-28 01:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Afk--#5--your point is?

"we dont know who or when but its coming.,"

If you don't know who or when, then what the fuck are you talking about?

Wouldn't it be a bitch if Obama turned out to the Democratic Reagan? (Teflon anyone?)

#43 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-10-28 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.jewishworldreview.com

THe latest Mallard Fillmore strips - read and enjoy.

#44 | Posted by MSgt at 2009-10-28 01:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

"My county is red and we run that fuckin state"

Is that how Chris Dodd got elected there???

Lieberman's constituents aren't from Connecticut, they live in Israel.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-28 02:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why women blog less than men:

www.newser.com

#46 | Posted by MSgt at 2009-10-28 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

Lieberman's constituents aren't from Connecticut, they live in Israel.

#45 | Posted by danni

There are as many Jews living in the US as there are in Isreal. And no, I'm not one of them.

How about if I said Obama's constituents aren't from the US, they live in Africa. Would that sound a little racist to you?

#47 | Posted by Redman at 2009-10-28 02:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

In an interview with CBS's "Early Show," Levi Johnston continued the war against Sarah Palin he has been waging almost daily on his Twitter account. He reiterated negative revelations he made about Palin in a recent Vanity Fair piece, saying that her daughter Bristol played the mom role in her children's lives, and that Palin repeatedly referred to her son Trig as her "retarded baby."

www.politicsdaily.com|main|dl1|link4|http%3A%2F% 2Fwww.politicsdaily.com% 2F2009%2F10%2F28%2Fvideo-levi- johnston-says-hes-holding- back-huge-things-about%2F

#48 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2009-10-28 03:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

An Englishman, American, and Irishman, all walk into a bar and order a beer. The bartender hands them there beer, however there are flies in each mug of beer.

Well the Englishman pushes the beer aside and says, "That's disgusting."

The American pulls the fly out and starts drinking the beer.

The Irishman pulls the fly out, sets it on the counter and shouts, "SPIT IT OUT YOU BASTARD."

#49 | Posted by UpL8 at 2009-10-28 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder if anyone else is going as "naked Lee Atwater except for his dick and balls in a sock" this Halloween.

#50 | Posted by Lee_Atwater at 2009-10-28 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

A little outspokenness is a good thing, but when you're saying inflammatory things on a regular basis you run the risk of Ann Coulterizing yourself.

#11 | Posted by rcade at 2009-10-28 09:11 AM | Reply | Flag: BUT IT IS THE REASON FOR MY SUCCESS HERE

#51 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-10-28 06:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Whatever happened to Johnson, that crazy racist bastard?

#52 | Posted by andyuhenet at 2009-10-28 06:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yankee run line just got hammered. Down to +120 if anyone is wating to make a bet. Better hurry though.

#53 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-10-28 07:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

BuffaloBob

Is it snowing now in Ohio? How cold is it?

#54 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-29 12:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Whatever happened to Johnson, that crazy racist bastard?

But you miss him, don't ya!

I liked Johnson. Very intelligent guy whether or not you agreed with some of his opinions.

Everyone gave him such a hard time, though, he probably gave up and left.

#55 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-29 12:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

Rumors are flying that Kate Hudson is pregnant with the baby of Alex Rodriguez. If she is,I hope that she can deliver better in the clutch than he does.

#56 | Posted by cookfish at 2009-10-29 06:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

Was Johnson the guy who left in a tiff a week or so ago, claiming to have built the site, etc.?

#57 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-10-29 08:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Was Johnson the guy who left in a tiff a week or so ago, claiming to have built the site, etc.?

Posted by pragmatist at 2009-10-29 08:50 AM | Reply

no that was rex zeitgeist or some odd shit

#58 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-10-29 08:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Was Johnson the guy who left in a tiff a week or so ago, claiming to have built the site, etc.?

Nope that was Rex Zeitgeist.

The Friday Night Music thread guy.

"Tiny" Johnson was kinda like if Archie Bunker owned a thesaurus.

A racist who continually claimed he wasn't around his objectionable and highly specious postings.

Be Well.

#59 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-10-29 08:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks, Larry.

#60 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-10-29 08:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Tiny" Johnson was kinda like if Archie Bunker owned a thesaurus.
Posted by dethspud

Hysterical. Did you write that one yourself?

#61 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-10-29 08:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

How about if I said Obama's constituents aren't from the US, they live in Africa. Would that sound a little racist to you?

#47 | Posted by Redman

No shit. I was thinking the same thing after I read what Danni said. That was just blatant racism if you ask me.

#62 | Posted by everlong at 2009-10-29 09:32 AM | Reply | Flag:

Everyone gave him such a hard time, though, he probably gave up and left.

#55 | Posted by CalifChris

I agree. I liked him too. It was refreshing to read something well written and thought out whether you agreed with it or not.

#63 | Posted by everlong at 2009-10-29 09:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

Lieberman's constituents aren't from Connecticut, they live in Israel.

#45 | Posted by danni at 2009

progressive...liberal...whatev
er you call yourself.

how about diverse...

I guess anti semetic remarks isnt in the playbook anymore for those people

#64 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-29 10:16 AM | Reply | Flag:

Was Johnson the guy who left in a tiff a week or so ago, claiming to have built the site, etc.?

#57 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009

nope

but me and murph and the others from the right have been able to make this a site where you are only exponged for sounding dangerous or harmfull with no regard for opinion..

as I and others have said on several occasions..
without us this becomes another huffington post/daily kos.
you know...a liberal circle jerk

and you are quite welcome.....

#65 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-29 10:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I guess anti semetic remarks isnt in the playbook anymore for those people"

Why is questioning Israel in any way the same as anti-Semitism. (Though the crack you were responding to was a stretch. Clearly, Joe L has supporters in Connecticut. I even know some of them. *sigh*)

I'm glad there is divergent opinion here, btw. Otherwise, I wouldn't come here. But you know, you gotta do better if you want conversation. Ranting at each other isn't it. Sometimes, Afk, you and I have had actual discussion. At other times, you just yell at me. (Very occasionally, I've snapped at you. Admittedly.)

The site would be a nicer place to visit (not that we always have to be nice) if we all tried harder to discuss issues rather than attack and undermine one another. But as JJ and I discussed yesterday, that's not likely. Granted, I'd like to think we could be more rational than the rank-and-file whiners, but... it is what it is. (As one of you pointed out to me months ago.)

#66 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-10-29 12:22 PM | Reply | Flag: