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Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) said Tuesday that he'd back a GOP filibuster of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's health care reform bill. "We're trying to do too much at once," Lieberman said. "To put this government-created insurance company on top of everything else is just asking for trouble for the taxpayers, for the premium payers and for the national debt."

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Fucking useless POS. Rotten to the core.

"Joe Lieberman: I'll block vote on Harry Reid's plan"

Is that endgame?

Chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, and membership on the Armed Services, and Small Business Committees.

For how long?


From the title...

I don't think we need it now."

His comments confirmed that Reid is short of the 60 votes needed to advance the bill out of the Senate, even after Reid included the opt-out provision. Several other moderate Democrats expressed skepticism at the proposal as well, but most of the wavering Democratic senators did not go as far as Lieberman Tuesday, saying they were waiting to see the details.

Does this mean that a certain bunch of ubershills here will stop posting whiny 'public option' threads like there's no tomorrow? Nope. LOL

Joe Lieberman is a hero.

I am not sure how it will play out - but Lieberman is the bomb.

"Up or down vote"!

Where have we heard that before campers?

Joe, you can vote against the measure and still be a Dem, but if you vote against the vote, you will be a tool of the Republican party and should expect to be treated as the opposition.

So its going to come down to a 51 to 49 vote as part of an economic measure?

Hag the Dems should do the nuclear option. They are in control, they shouldn't be trigger shy about taking advantage of it.

Joe Lieberman; A breath of fresh air in a shit filled chamber.

"Joe Lieberman; A breath of fresh air in a shit filled chamber."

What's Lieberman doing in your room?

Hag the Dems should do the nuclear option. They are in control, they shouldn't be trigger shy about taking advantage of it.
#9 | Posted by andyuhenet

Agreed.

What's Lieberman doing in your room?

#11 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

God God. I believe that is the funniest thing I've ever read on this site, FrankFSarvis.

Lieberman claims that he wants to "vote for health care reform this year" and that the public option is a sticking point for him. But he also opposed the Baucus bill, which did not contain a public option.
===============

Wrong way/Which way/No way Joe


.....once a prick......always a prick.......

Joe Lieberman is a hero.

Finally, the right falls in love with a big government pro-abortion liberal. Poor Joe, so close to the WH twice and now so close to irrelevancy.

"For how long?"

Not very, I hope. I agree, either we get an up or down vote or they get to see the nuclear option.
Time to put an end to obstructionism, too much to do to allow the minority to stop all progress. They are hurting the country.

Over his career, Lieberman has accepted $2,395,369 in donations from the health sector and $1,033,402 from the insurance industry.

Time to put an end to obstructionism, too much to do to allow the minority to stop all progress. They are hurting the country.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-27 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:


I am glad to see you come out against minorities DANNI and admitting they are hurting the country.

Increasing the debt and the deficit is hardly progress. Well, I guess in your f'd up economics book it is progress.

Funny. Bet you and all the other dumocraps voted for bore/lieberman.


Over his career, Lieberman has accepted $2,395,369 in donations from the health sector and $1,033,402 from the insurance industry.

#18 | Posted by danni

That didn't seem to be an issue when you folks trotted him out as a Democratic V.P. Candidate.

Ummmmmmm don't pitch a bitch fit with Me WisGod. I never got serious about Politics until just before Dubya's Illegal War in Iraq. Before that sure I voted cause I love to bitch and that's My license to do so. I never gave two shits about real politics until then. Maybe I should have remained Blase about it. Be way better on the old BP.

Larry

#13 | Posted by wisgod | Flag: Dainty and Thin-Skinned

#22 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-10-27 04:40 PM | Reply | Flag: Half the man FrankF2.5 is.

"That didn't seem to be an issue when you folks trotted him out as a Democratic V.P. Candidate."

What a mistake that was. I can remember one thing though about that nomination and I commented at the time, he did not resign from his Senate Seat to run for VP, it was sort of obvious he was hedging his bet. I didn't particularly like him then and couldn't really understand why Gore chose a guy who always sounds like he's whining. Plus, I would prefer someone who's allegiance is first to the United States and not Israel.

Actually, the choice of Lieberman was indicative of the poor campaign Gore ran all together. He rejected Bill Clinton, when it really would have helped him.

He rejected Bill Clinton, when it really would have helped him.

#25 | Posted by danni

I think he wanted to distance himself from Clinton's lewd, smarminess. However, I think he misjudged - by that time much of America had forgiven Clinton.

In the end Gore just didn't have the basic toughness to be elected President, I think. I voted for him but never really was an enthusiastic supporter the way I was for Kerry or Obama.

Did you prefer Obama to Hillary Clinton?

The reason I ask is that you touted Kerry's overall experience as a selling trait. From that standpoint I regarded Clinton as more qualified than Obama.

PS - I am not trying to catch you in a contradiction - if you preferred Obama over Hillary other factors could have taken priority over experience.

"Did you prefer Obama to Hillary Clinton?"

Her vote on the Iraq war decided that one for me. Also, her husband Bill signed both NAFTA and the Telecommunications Act that allowed the consolidation of the radio industry.

But I would have supported Hillary 100% if she got the nomination. I was hoping she would be chosen for VP but apparently she preferred the Sec. of State job. If I were her, I would have stayed in the Senate.

Actually Obama gave first dibs to Joe Biden on which one He wanted VP or SoS. He chose VP. I don't blame Obama for not picking Hillary for VP. You would have had Bill Clinton vying for attention against Obama.

Larry

I don't know Larry, Bill has behaved himself quite well I think.

"Joe is a real Democrat. you fuckin people are just bizarre"

Point of fact, Joe is not a Democrat, I think he is what he calls an Independent Democrat or some other nonsense. Generally speaking, good Democrats don't speak at the Republican National Convention and campaign against the Democratic nominee for president. ARe you a Democrat??? Now that would be bizarre.

he did not resign from his Senate Seat to run for VP, it was sort of obvious he was hedging his bet. I didn't particularly like him then and couldn't really understand why Gore chose a guy who always sounds like he's whining. Plus, I would prefer someone who's allegiance is first to the United States and not Israel.

#24 | Posted by danni


Danni--


They all hedge their bets--Hillary, Biden, Kerry McCain--they all kept their day jobs while running for POTUS.

And Joe was a shoe-in for the jewish vote in FL.

Oops--that's right they voted for Buchanan because of the Dem voter lady picked a butterfly ballot and they all got confused.

#35 | Posted by danni

Sigh...


And you complained when repubs went against McCain or did you cheer??

Powell comes to mind...

And--they don't have 50 votes to pass this thing in the Senate with any kind of public or consumer option.

No matter what Pelosi calls it--it ain't going to pass.

Joe Lieberman is a real democrat Danielle, i did not expect you to understand.

count down to your "fringe element" role in the gubment =
about 1 year.


Joe Lieberman is a mensch.

That boils your ass, don't it?

you will be angrier than usual tomorrow.

JL is my Senator and I just wrote him a long letter of support.

He sometimes answers those site generated emails personally.

We have corresponded before.


He's a mensch.

Looks like we haven't heard the last from ol' Joe after all. I was a bit surprised at him since he's on board with most everything lib EXCEPT the military.

Joe Lieberman is one of the best out there. Be Well.

Over his career, Lieberman has accepted $2,395,369 in donations from the health sector and $1,033,402 from the insurance industry.

yes but lets put this in perspective. he is from Connecticut. Hartford is the insurance capital of the world.

Senators/congressmen from Michigan get money from the auto industry.

the same goes with oil in Texas, movie industry in California etc.....

But I'm glad you point that out Danni.

You are know suggesting that Joe isn't a democrat but you posted the $$$ from his CAREER as a senator.

on behalf of WHICH party did he accept those funds over his career?

LOL

If Lieberman follows through on his threat strip him of his Senate committee posts and throw him out of the caucus. Wants to act like a 'no no no no no!' rethug? Fine. Treat him as such.

60% want a public option. Represent your constituents. What? Too many insurance companies in Connecticut?

on behalf of WHICH party did he accept those funds over his career?

LOL

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2009-10-27 09:28 PM | Reply | Flag

If only Lieberman was the only member of congress owned by insurance companies. Want to talk of the republicans owned by insurance companies? Check out this clip at 54 seconds, and you will find your Gods are wearing no cloths.

www.youtube.com

Joe Lieberman: I'll block vote on Harry Reid's plan

Attaboy, Joe.

This is way beyond party affiliation.

Its a fight for the kind of country my kid has to grow up in---and the relationship that will exist between him as an individual and the state that will Lord over him.

Shalom, buddy.

Let's kill this fucking nonsense and work to ensure that we, as a nation, never get ourselves into this situation again.

"Let's kill this fucking nonsense and work to ensure that we, as a nation, never get ourselves into this situation again." - Jak

I agree. No more GOP Presidents and GOP Congresses at the same time. Ever. The results are hypocritical disasters.

How can a disaster be "hypocritical"?

Lieberman's a two faced ass.

First, he was welcomed back into the Democrat caucus when he went Independent. Then, after stumping for McCain he didn't lost his position as Chair of the Senate Homeland Security Committee. Time to crack the whip.

Time to hand this backstabber a pork sandwich and turn him loose.

Time to hand this backstabber a pork sandwich...

Better make it pastrami. He's Jewish

Sarcasm intended lol

I also know he's Orthodox

The results are hypocritical disasters.

#46 | Posted by Timex at 2009-10-28 12:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

How can a disaster be "hypocritical"?

#47 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

The creation of the disaster was borne of hypocrisy.

1. GOP, to get in power say, "we're the party of fiscal discipline and small government".

2. Then, once having gained that complete power, they go on a historic record breaking spending spree, create trillions in perennial obligations, and simultaneously create trillions in current and future deficits through two tax cuts for our richest citizens.

3. This results in the largest debt in human history. Debt which, now that they're out of power, they whine about incessantly despite.

4. They singlehandedly, through glaringly hypocritical and paradoxical rhetoric and actions, created an economic and financial disaster we'll be digging out of for decades.

"Say one thing beforehand, do the exact opposite in power, bitch about said results of their own making after the fact".

I just learned not to split my attention between posting and other things

How can a disaster be "hypocritical"?

#47 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

A disaster (mountain of debt, trillions in perennial obligations) created by taking actions diametrically opposed to promises made before gaining power. Hypocritical disaster.

He's a mensch.

#39 | Posted by 8roper

He's a yutz.

He's a putz.

He's a schmuck.

He's farkin' meshugena!

He's a bought and paid for corporate whore, specifically the HMOs and Big Insurance.

This move gets filed both under predictable and pathetic.

Be Well.

/Entering the Drudge Retort, as ya do
stage left.

SURPRISE SURPRISE!!!! Connecticut HAS a Public Option. No wonder he doesn't give a flip about the rest of the states:

"This is what our Republican Governor, Jodi Rell, said about the Charter Oak Plan last month on its one-year anniversary:

"A little over a year ago, I announced the start of a program I said would change the face of health care in Connecticut change it for the better and change it forever," Governor Rell said. "Today that program is covering 10,257 individuals and another 5,884 applicants are eligible for coverage as soon as they select from one of three contracted health plans and begin paying monthly premiums.

"That means more than 10,000 people who a year ago had no health coverage or could not afford the coverage they had now have affordable health care," the Governor said. "That is an accomplishment worth celebrating. From routine checkups to treatment for life-threatening illness, the program is filling a critical gap. "

The goal of the Charter Oak Health Plan is to provide affordable health care coverage to Connecticut adults, aged 19 to 64, of all incomes. It's the first time every uninsured adult in Connecticut can get quality, affordable health insurance, and it costs as little as $75 per month in premiums, depending on your income.

link: www.charteroakhealthplan.com

This is how her press release describes the Charter Oak Plan:

There is no income test or asset limit to qualify for Charter Oak coverage. Enrollees earning more than 300 percent of the federal poverty level (FPL) currently pay a flat, unsubsidized monthly premium of $259. Enrollees with incomes below 300 percent of the FPL pay reduced, subsidized premiums ranging from $75 to $200 monthly, depending on income and family size.

Charter Oak's annual, income-based deductible ranges from $150 to $900. The deductible does not apply to primary and specialist doctor visits, ambulance and emergency room care, behavioral health services, pre- and post-natal care, prescription medications and certain other benefits.

The Charter Oak Health Plan is administered by the Department of Social Services."

Lab work 100% Covered
Preventive care 100% covered
1 Physical a year
Emergency room visit covered 100%

Lieberman ... what a self serving idiot!

www.charteroakhealthplan.com

I'm hearing Reid is 3 votes short of 60.

Also he has a tough re-election against the Shark

Joe Lieberman sucks.

What a vile POS. Too bad they didn't elect Ned Lamont.

LOOK at all the people going after old joe

someone do a cross check and see how many of those same people wanted to make senator snow a 'saint' when she voted yes on the senate committee for health care reform?

AFKABL2, so are you for an up or down vote????

Im for them scrapping the whole thing and starting over
and doing it with NO CLOSED doors

you know...have cspan cameras in the room with both sides there
JUST LIKE OBAMA PROMISED DURING CAMPAIGN and then let US see what they come up with and then decide.
AND If that means nothing done until after 2010 elections then so be it....
there is PROOF that the govt works better when there is not one side running all houses and YES I Include the time when republicans did in that since they SPENT TOO MUCH DAMN MONEY

remember though too
IM for the age old senate rule of clousure and YES even if the issue is one IM in favor of.
senate is the last line of defense it seems and thats NOT a bad thing regardless of the issue and regardless of the sponsor

Connecticut HAS 'public option' as one of three unemployed, self employed, and those whose employers don't offer insurance can buy into. Top cost? $2590 a year.

No wonder Joe doesn't give a crap about the rest of us. What's he worried about? 60% of the American public support one. Sen him packing. Good riddance.

So, I didn't understand your answer BL2, are you for an up or down vote???

All the good Dems should start chanting at every opportunity...."up or down vote" just like the Rethugs were doing a couple years ago.

You mean the Senator of the State of Insurance Companies is supporting the Insurance Companies?

Gee..........Who saw that knife coming?

Let's kill this fucking nonsense and work to ensure that we, as a nation, never get ourselves into this situation again.

#44 | POSTED BY JAK_SE_MAO AT 2009-10-28 12:01 AM

That is right! Screw the folks! I got mine too bad if you didn't get yours.

I got mine too bad if you didn't get yours.

Get off your fucking ass and go get what's "yours", pues.

Glad to see it happen!!
Now, with any luck, this disaster dies and pray to God that Cap & tax is net!!

Great job Joe, hero of the day!!

DANNI - They should do an up or down quote. I don't know why they seem so hesitant to do so. Elections have consequences and as bad as this public option will be as opposed to much better solutions.

From the right

If a tiny minority of yahoos manages to block 60% of the Congress and 70% of the American people, we should erect a hall of shame where people can piss on their statues forever. herm

Herm your hall of shame should be directed at the majority of yahoos who can't get health passed with "70% of the public support" and 60% of congress, why can't you see that? We Republicans are a NON FACTOR.

Out of power.

It is in the Dems hands now. There are ways to bypass us, and it is up to the majority to due this.

"We out of power Republicans" suddenly find Joe Lieberman, and the sun shines brightly across the Potomac. There's hope yet for the poor to die along in alleys. herm

Herm you can't push the blame on the Republicans, the party unafraid of the nuclear option when they were in power.

The roadmap is there for you guys to use...

Herm -

We Republicans passed the following bills with the nuclear option

The 2001 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 1836, 3/26/01]
The 2003 Bush Tax Cuts [HR 2, 3/23/03]
Tax Increase Prevention and Reconciliation Act of 2005 [HR 4297, 5/11/06]
The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 [H. Con Res. 95, 12/21/05]

We are the Democrats afraid of representing the people that put them into office?

Why*

"Republicans, the party unafraid of the nuclear option when they were in power."

I prefer to think of it as wise, for two reasons: one, respect for tradition, and two, fear of a day like today. Political pendulums always swing. Not too long ago, the though of the Dems holding any of the three branches was unfathomable. Had the Rs changed the rules to nuclear, today they would be without a voice. The same fate awaits the Dems some day, if they are foolish enough not to respect history.

"We Republicans passed the following bills with the nuclear option"

No, you didn't.

Debate was closed.

If you need a primer on Robert's Rules of Order, let me know.

"the Dems should do the nuclear option"

If nothing else, it'll be interesting by virtue of the hand-wringing rightie responses it elicits in our posting-base!

...and, maybe, give the insurance companies a bit of old-fashioned capitalistic competition for their cartel...

The fact that Gore chose this asshole for VP was the dumbest thing he did during his whole campaign, which he actually won.

Dan - 58 Dems, 2 Independents (60 caucusing Dems) and they can't get cloture?

You would think that they could get around the Lieberman defection by picking up 1 Republican.

Senate bill S. 1932 passed the Senate, with a tie-breaking vote cast by Vice President Dick Cheney, and House bill H.R. 4241 passed the House 217-215. The Senate bill was signed by President George W. Bush on February 8, 2006.

How did the wildly unpopular President George W. Bush manage to get this through the house by just 2 votes then get it through the Senate with a TIE BREAKING VOTE by VP Cheney?

President Obama surely can use this as a template.

Top five low forms of life: 5.paramecium 4. amoeba 3. Ebola 2.Cheney 1.Lieberman.

"Dan - 58 Dems, 2 Independents (60 caucusing Dems) and they can't get cloture?"

The foolish thought was that scenario could pass anything. As usual, the Dems, once in a majority, bite off more than they can chew.

"President Obama surely can use this as a template."

Only if debate is closed.

I just love it when Danforth talks about RROO. He talks about it like a poet talks about poetry. Oh and Danforth You're safe. I wasn't coming on to You I just love Your prose.

Larry

"I just love it when Danforth talks about RROO."

All too often, folks don't realize RROR are the rules that supersede almost everything else. As long as we run meetings under parliamentary procedure...Robert rules.

I did a little reading up on the nuclear option and I don't think it's a realistic option. The nuclear option is really based on an opinion piece written in a Federalist Society magazine. It is convoluted logic and an appeal to the SC would probably undo it if it were tried by Democrats, likely not if tried by Republicans due to the makeup of the court.
I think what the Dems need to do is put health care reform aside and take up the anti-trust exemption enjoyed by the health care insurance industry. TAke away their right to collude and monopolize markets, create their favorite thing, competition.
I have questioned all along some of the wisdom of the Pulic Option because it was going to be a dumping ground for every patient with a serious illness. WE already insure the elderly and disabled through Medicare, very likely any public option would end up just providing the insurance industry another convenient way of eliminating the risks and liabilities of seriously ill patients.
Instead, since they are taking that option away, then Congress should focus instead on taking away the insurance industry's right to collude.

Couldn't agree more about the insurance industry in healthcare-- for too long they haven't competed-- the products we sell to employers are significantly more superior but since they're as large as they are they use "price penetration" to beat us out of contracts. Inspite of that because of our superior business model and products (and the fact we can show an ROI) we continue to pick up market share. If I've said it once I've said it many times-- the insurance companies, investment bankers, et. have not competed for years. They have essentially been on welfare and if you're going to help the consumer and the average American, MAKE THEM COMPETE.


NUCLEAR OPTION time!

Ignore the reublicans. They try to claim that Reconciliation (Nuke Option) has never been used on a tax bill and yet both of Bush's tax-cuts were done using reconciliation.

Payback time.

Again...it's time to "nuke" the Rethugs (for the timid: time to "reconcile" with "the opposition")!

We'll see how they like a taste of their own medicine.

If only Demotards would be REAL LIBERALS and stop being so spineless, maybe something would get done. Like single-payer. But, that was never a consideration.

Instead, we hang on every word from the butthurt just-lost-an-election-and-
going-crazy big-government Industry-First(TM) NeoCons!

This country's been circling the drain for several decades now. The worst that could happen would be that the process is accelerated.

But, even then, we'd be treated to the e-outrages of the right wing!

Delectable, even if everything else were to be turning to shit.....

If only Demotards would be REAL LIBERALS and stop being so spineless

That's a rather amusing exhibition of your political ignorance.

The last "REAL LIBERAL [*giggle*] with a spine" died Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili in 1953.

Goddamn that was funny, Zarathustra.

If only Demotards would be REAL LIBERALS and stop being so spineless

That's a Facebook status update.

Folks'll get a kick out of the irony.


#88 DAN - RROR dude, I thought at the time I posted that that the majority could just declare the nuclear option KABOOM! at any time.

You are right, cloture is needed. Still though, we Republicans rightfully got our asses handed to us and the Lib former VP candidate is somehow stopping cloture.

WTF happened?

It's all good though. Whatever the fuck happens in 30 years I'll be retiring and It'll all be gravy. I get my healthcare for free from the VA anyway so this shit doesn't effect me.

Still dude a single payer would absolutely lower fucking costs. I don't know why the fuck this hasn't been even PRESENTED.

I am all for a 15% flat tax, fucking military dominance overseas in Afghan and Iraq and anywhere else, and private everything, but a single payer would make us so much more competitive in the world of business and eliminate costs in a way that a public option can't even dream of. Why the fuck can't the Dems get it rammed through. Why don't they even entertain a single payer plan.

That's the end goal anyway, damnit!

"I am all for a 15% flat tax,"

Want to know why the rich never suggest that anymore?

They already have it.

LTCG, and dividends are taxed at a 15% top rate, a rate less than half of the top rate for sweat-of-the-brow labor.

Joe Lieberman is a joke he wants me to pay for Socialized health care for Israel, but nothing for American Citizens.


WOW! I thought you dems WANTED people to think independently - at least that is what you say to people that oppose government health care. Why do you condemn people that think independently and conclude you are wrong?


If a tiny minority of yahoos manages to block 60% of the Congress and 70% of the American people, we should erect a hall of shame where people can piss on their statues forever. herm

#71 | Posted by herm at 2009-10-28 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure you feel the same about prop 8 in CA then? Please also show where 70% of the American people want the govt run health insurance plan approved? Liar.

the democratic party should be joined by the republican party in a single act of unity in this country to rename Joseph Lieberman to Joseph Weaselman...a self serving S.O.B.

If a tiny minority of yahoos manages to block 60% of the Congress and 70% of the American people, we should erect a hall of shame where people can piss on their statues forever. herm


#71 | Posted by herm at 2009-10-28 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:


I'm sure you feel the same about prop 8 in CA then? Please also show where 70% of the American people want the govt run health insurance plan approved? Liar.

#100 | Posted by ELCIDCE90


Elcid,

These idiots actually believe that most of America is behind them.

70% of America would like to either have a job or have a raise!!!

Dems! Get the fuck out the way and let America recover!!!

There shouldn't be a public "option", there should be a public health plan. As in, completely tax funded public health care. No insurance, just go to the doctor and the government pays.

And we need to raise the top tax bracket to 90%+ to fund it.

It's time to get this country out of the dark ages and take care of everyone.

Go Joe bust, their fili...
Arlen Specter committed treason against the Gop, now Joe can even the score a little...


So, I didn't understand your answer BL2, are you for an up or down vote???

#64 | Posted by danni at 2009


im for whatever it takes to dump this piece of shit legislation and come up with something that will actully work without the govt completely taking over.
govt oversight...seems like thats needed these days, but I just dont feel like this shit is the answer..NOT when its done by one side only...

and some will bring up the drug bill stuff.
I cant remember...was that "passed' in the senate with 60 votes?
I believe it was....

OH wait a min

are you asking if I think it should be voted on simple majority?

if so..then NO...republicans shouldnt change age old senate rules either...

BLT is just like a typical Rightie. He doesn't want the Government to do their jobs by taking care of it's citizenry. It's as plain as day.

Larry

their idea of taking care is more than that and you know it.

I just know that if I lose my great doctor over this...and they say its a possibility, then IM going to be really mad..and I mean...REALLY mad...


also...the left CROWNS senator snow for her 'defection' if you will and now wants to assisinate lieberman now..
go figure

" if I lose my great doctor over this...and they say its a possibility"

They say?!? Is this another "I heard it somewhere..."?

You're not going to lose your doctor...you're on Medicare. You know, that socialized thingy you want for your group, but nobody else?

Now log off the public computer and take the public bus system back to your publicly subsidized housing to pick up your monthly check from the public school system's retirement...you know, the pension a Union got for you.

I am not on medicare and I take offense at you 'rushing' me....

and every single item you listed..I worked for and earned and I dont have a big problem with anyone reaping any of those things if they earned them.

and I will lose my doctor if they have to close the doors or downsize and I am also completely aware that when I was told that, that the person doing the talking was certainly from that point of view. I will take her word over anything that HUSSIEN obama or nancy pelosi or harry reid EVER says.

LIEberman is the biggest dirtbag in both houses.
His loyalty is limited to himself. The CT democrats
should beg Ted Kennedy Jr. to run against him
next time. He speaks at the RNC convention and still
caucuses with the D's. He' so full of shite.

I am not on medicare

SSI? Who pays your insurance premiums?

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