True Conservative Governance Results

Monday, October 26, 2009

Imagine a two-term Republican governor from a state carried by Barack Obama who turned an $800 million deficit into a $1.2 billion surplus by cutting overhead and bringing sound business principles to his state's government even as he provided new health benefits for poor citizens. Imagine no longer. Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels accomplished this and more, and he did it all while enacting the biggest tax cut in state history.

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It's utterly amazing.

When we look at the governing philosophies of various states and how said states prosper or struggle as a result, conservative governance is demonstrably superior.

Every time.

#1 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-10-26 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.drudge.com

Jeff, this is another thread.

#2 | Posted by eberly at 2009-10-26 04:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Shit, fucking funny again.

JeffJ shows up with some political hacking article about the far rightie superiority of everything and how rightiously right they on and how it is just ununderstandable why anyone would not be beleaving his stuff.

LOL.....just too out there for me.

#3 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-10-26 04:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Shit..just woke up.

should be "they are" and "believing."

#4 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-10-26 04:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

should be "they are" and "believing."

how did you forget "ununderstandable"?

#5 | Posted by eberly at 2009-10-26 04:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Shit, fucking funny again.

LOL.....just too out there for me.

#3 | Posted by moneywar

Ah yes!

Here comes Mr. Moneywar where in his world results are irrelevant and ideology reigns supreme!

I live in one of your Utopian hell-holes (Michigan), Mr. Moneywar! All of your ideological policies are implemented to the nth degree in this otherwise beautiful state. Yet, this state is struggling almost as much as California, which is the epitome of all-things Moneywar when it comes to governance. Yet, the principles you loathe are proving themselves to produce vastly superiour results, all over the country.

"Political hacking!?!"

Hilarious!

Gaze into a mirror sometime - you'll see precisely what you 'think' you are mocking; but clearly don't understand.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-10-26 04:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rtards are really desperate to find viable Republican presidential candidates that aren't bat-shit crazy. I guess Daniels is the new Sanford.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-10-26 04:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

MW,

What I find funny is that in threads like this you are brutally unable to dispute the results; the facts.

Instead, you engage in sophmoric ad hominem and pretend as if it proves some sort of point; and you employ absurdly poor grammar in the process!

On a state-by-state basis, my political philisophy kicks the shit out of yours on any measurable basis.

Sorry.

#8 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-10-26 04:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rtards are really desperate to find viable Republican presidential candidates that aren't bat-shit crazy. I guess Daniels is the new Sanford.

#7 | Posted by nullifidian

Your logical flaw is that "Rtards" are seeking a 'face'.

What "Rtards" are seeking is a staunch adherence to some fundamental principles...principles, that when applied at a state level, have proven vastly superior to the massive-government-model that people such as you tend to favor.

Results matter.

#9 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-10-26 04:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your logical flaw is that "Rtards" are seeking a 'face'.

The hell if it is. You people are so fucking desperate to find a Republican who isn't insane it's hilarious. Your party will be lucky to find a nominee who isn't a tea-bagger, plumber or Palinista (redundant I know).

#10 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-10-26 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

JeffJ,

What I find funny is that in threads like this you are brutally unable to dispute the results; the facts.

I laugh, there isn't a fact in the entire satire you present.

Nothing but a far right hacking at why super righties are correct and democrat(bad liberal) is bad.

We all know where you stand, so just say anyone who isn't right sucks and is wrong and be done with it.

Any way you slice it, in reality, corporation mismanagement did your state in but you go ahead and blame the government.

#11 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-10-26 04:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Instead, you engage in sophmoric ad hominem and pretend as if it proves some sort of point; and you employ absurdly poor grammar in the process!

And this is exactly why you righties are getting your ass handed to you, keep focus on the important things it helps you so very much...

#12 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-10-26 04:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

On a state-by-state basis, my political philisophy kicks the shit out of yours on any measurable basis.

LOL!

Your political philisophy has done this mess to the nation but yes it does kick the shit out of mine!

Reality....this nation will continue to decline until wages start to rise for the masses, until then your philisophy wins.

#13 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-10-26 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

But Mr. Daniels is not one to kick the can down the road. He immediately went to work finding savings wherever he could. Cost-cutting and businesslike practices cured the state's operational deficit, but Indiana, like virtually every other state, also faced a huge shortfall in capital infrastructure funds. Mr. Daniels tackled that with the largest public-private partnership in U.S. history, a lease of the Indiana Toll Road, which brought the state nearly $4 billion for investment in transportation plus billions more to modernize the Toll Road itself.

Are you guys (moneywar and null) pissed that Daniels outsourced a govt function to a private and even FOREIGN private contractor to create this surplus?

#14 | Posted by eberly at 2009-10-26 04:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Indiana's unemployment rate is higher than the national average....yes this governor is doing great. Putting people back to work...LOL

Notice how the article didn't address any of the downers.

#15 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-10-26 04:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

a lease of the Indiana Toll Road, which brought the state nearly $4 billion for investment in transportation plus billions more to modernize the Toll Road itself.

It's a fucking toll road that he contracted out to have fixed....where did he put the TOLL MONEY? Oops, that is in his slight of hand back pocket.

#16 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-10-26 04:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you guys (moneywar and null) pissed that Daniels outsourced a govt function to a private and even FOREIGN private contractor to create this surplus?

No mad at all, it is my company that fucking owns the road now. LOL!

Just try to build on the thing, we charge you up the wang.

#17 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-10-26 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sounds like a decent governor. MoneyWar hates him solely because of party affiliation.

#18 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-10-26 04:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

where did he put the TOLL MONEY?

it appears that it goes to the private company going forward.

#19 | Posted by eberly at 2009-10-26 04:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

this nation will continue to decline until wages start to rise for the masses

Minimum wage is currently $7.25/hour. What do you propose it should be?

#20 | Posted by JOE at 2009-10-26 04:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's a fucking toll road that he contracted out to have fixed....where did he put the TOLL MONEY? Oops, that is in his slight of hand back pocket.

The private firm is assuming all costs and in turn will receive all revenues. Are you actually as stupid as you seem?

#21 | Posted by JOE at 2009-10-26 04:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you actually as stupid as you seem?

and he claims his company owns the road now.

LOL

#22 | Posted by eberly at 2009-10-26 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

10.6 unemployment rate and rising every month, they are worse than alaska and that is tough to do.

Making a real bang for the people, corporations as a percentage of tax collection in indiana is 6.1 percent.

The people are dying and out of work but the corporations are getting free rides. Yep, the guy is wonderful for the people he represents.

#23 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-10-26 04:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

True Conservative Governance Results

I love the logical fallacies of the righties. Bush wasn't a 'true conservative' when he cratered the economy and lost the middle east doing exactly what he promised while campaigning as a 'true conservative' in '00 and '04.
Not surprisingly, this guy is now being hailed as a 'true conservative' with executive experience, no less, in what is obviously a pre-campaign puff-piece. They keep selling it 'cause you keep buying it.

#24 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY at 2009-10-26 04:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sounds like a decent governor. MoneyWar hates him solely because of party affiliation.

Don't hate the guy at all, and if you knew anything about me party affiliation isn't my bag.

I just see an article showing all this super grand opinion of everything done right without a single thing about what is going on with the actual people of the state.

#25 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-10-26 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not stumping for this guy. The devil is in the details over the long run

but it is hilarious watching fools like Moneywar, Nulli and now Darth cry like pussies when a republican is successful and curbing waste, working with private enterprise, and a budget surplus is the result.

out

#26 | Posted by eberly at 2009-10-26 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Indiana's unemployment rate is 9.2%. Moneywar is a liar.
www.google.com

Meanwhile, neighboring Illinois, run by a democrat, has an unemployment rate of 10.2%.
www.google.com

#27 | Posted by JOE at 2009-10-26 04:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

- what is obviously a pre-campaign puff-piece

Moment of Clarity Award

#28 | Posted by Corky at 2009-10-26 05:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

they are worse than alaska and that is tough to do.

Alaska is ranked 23rd among states for unemployment, putting them in the top half.
www.bls.gov

Is there anything you are ever correct about?

#29 | Posted by JOE at 2009-10-26 05:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

to modernize the Toll Road itself.

Need to read or are you this stupid?

The road was toll before the privatized, so they collected money for the roads but didn't up grade with the money....where did the fucking money go?????

Now they are going to give it to private business, sounds like a good plan, let the large corporations have the money so they can dictate the growth of the roads and the surrounding business development.

And yes eberly, my company is that private business that took the roads.

#30 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-10-26 05:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

State by state comparisons are usually horseshit. What do they measure other than the ability of corporate rtards, frequently governors like Bobby Hindu, to pimp out their state to the highest bidder anyway?

#31 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-10-26 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.hoosierdata.in.gov

#32 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-10-26 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

What do they measure

In this case, it measures the unemployment of one state versus the unemployment of another state. Great question, Null.

#33 | Posted by JOE at 2009-10-26 05:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

""We need to be talking not about ideology, but practical results. Government should do fewer things than it tries to do today, everything, but we should make sure that it does the very best job possible on its core responsibilities. I am interested first and foremost in what works and what improves the lives of the citizens of my state. We always have to be on the side of change. We intend to be the drivers of change right up until my final day as governor of Indiana.""

This is a great line. Sadly, he's got the usual Republican anti-union rhetoric. Sigh.

But I am willing to bet we see this guy's name a lot more--the Republicans certainly need a sane (or sane-seeming) presidential contender. He talks their talk very well, and he doesn't sound crazy or hateful.

#34 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-10-26 06:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Get your own thread there pal.

Now you got the Loon left thinking this is astroturfing.

Even the normally astute Chortely wnet off on it.

#35 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-10-26 07:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Chapel, what in the world did that mean?

#36 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-10-26 08:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

#31 | Posted by nullifidian

Such comparisons provide measurement as to which strategies work better than others and vice versa.

They provide at least some real-world means in terms of actually testing policies in a real sense.

It's no wonder that articles such as this tend to piss off Moneywar - the guy hates any evidence that contradicts his massive central-control mentality.

#37 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-10-27 12:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

Jeff, It sounds like your definition of 'True Conservative' is only measured in domestic economic results - - the Anti-Bush. What exactly is a true conservative?

#38 | Posted by L_RContrarian at 2009-10-27 12:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

State by state comparisons are usually horseshit.

No they're not.

States exercise a significant degree regarding rates of taxation and regulation.

States with lower degrees of taxation and absurd levels of regulation attract businesses and jobs.

That's why Texas is the place to be.

And California is fucked.

Unless you can fabricate some ridiculous parameter of comparison--like "latina single moms from cities with less than 300,000 people and have an uncle who is a circus performer but who own a home and make less than 50K a year and don't have health insurance and have a sister under 21 who is pregnant."

In that case, Texas is a shithole.

#39 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-10-27 12:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

Mr. Daniels tackled that with the largest public-private partnership in U.S. history, a lease of the Indiana Toll Road, which brought the state nearly $4 billion for investment in transportation plus billions more to modernize the Toll Road itself.

Sorry, lost me. Do you know Bush was the tyrant that orchestrated the PPP selling off of our infrastructure (private land, toll-roads, etc) to countries such as Spain with the plan for the North American Union? I have the full PDF doc if you're interested.

#40 | Posted by L_RContrarian at 2009-10-27 12:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

In that case, Texas is a shithole.

#39 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

Texas is a shithole in any case.

#41 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-10-27 12:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

Mr. Mao : ) --

Left you a post on Friday's music thread about Ryan Bingham. It's #61 in case you missed it.

Friday Night Music - Post #61

#42 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-27 12:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

Texas is a shithole in any case.

Any case?

LOL

I love watching idiots in action. Thanks, dull!

#43 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-27 12:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

39 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao

A lion's share of the job growth and economic prosperity over the last 20 years has been relegated to a handful of southern states that have low taxes, fewer regulations AND are Right-to-work states (diminished union influence).

I am not surprised that so many on the left brush these realities off.

#44 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-10-27 12:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

He does come through with a voice that sounds like he lives a Western outdoor kind of life --

You're cute. :)

And yeah--he's from Hobbs, but the town he filmed that video in is in Texas.

And it is my hometown---although I am many miles removed from it today.

#45 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-10-27 12:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Any case?

LOL

That list shows CALIFORNIA listed as 48 with unemployment for September 2009 at 12.2%.

Considering 40% of workers in Los Angeles County work "under the table" (per article in the Los Angeles Times) the unemployment rate is likely much higher than reported -- probably much closer to 25% or more.

#46 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-27 12:51 AM | Reply | Flag:

...probably much closer to 25% or more.

No wonder dullifidian hates Texas where they expect you to work.

#47 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-27 12:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

...but the town he filmed that video in is in Texas.

#45 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-10-27 12:50 AM

Oh, okay, then you're not from New Mexico originally. I misunderstood. You're a good ol' Texas boy from your head to your toes. lol

And I know I'll like Bingham's "Mescalito" as soon I hear it. Should arrive in another few days.

#48 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-27 12:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

You'll like Ryan Bingham.

#49 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-10-27 01:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

And yeah--he's from Hobbs, but the town he filmed that video in is in Texas.

And it is my hometown---although I am many miles removed from it today.

#45 | Posted by Jak_Se_Mao at 2009-10-27 12:50 AM

So then, yes, you are from Hobbs and not the town in Texas where the video was filmed? The "it" threw me off. Have patience, I'll get it right eventually. lol Been a long day.

#50 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-10-27 01:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hey JeffJ why when I go to look for an independent website on this I can't find one but I can find all sorts of GOP ran websites that are touting this?? I smell bullshit with this. Care to explain THAT to Me JeffJ???

Larry

#51 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-10-27 07:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

I love the logical fallacies of the righties. Bush wasn't a 'true conservative' when he cratered the economy and lost the middle east doing exactly what he promised while campaigning as a 'true conservative' in '00 and '04.
Not surprisingly, this guy is now being hailed as a 'true conservative' with executive experience, no less, in what is obviously a pre-campaign puff-piece. They keep selling it 'cause you keep buying it.

#24 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY at 2009-10-26 04:54 PM

Bush wasn't a "true conservative" because he didn't exercise fiscal restraint, and didn't balance the budget. While tax cuts fall in the "conservative" category, there was nothing to go with them in the way of reducing spending, to justify them. While many supported his Iraq invasion, the incompetence in executing it and lies in selling it wasn't an ideological thing so much as it showed a very dumbed down administration that didn't know what it was doing (except for the lies of course).

#52 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-10-27 09:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

how it is just ununderstandable why anyone would not be beleaving his stuff.

LOL.....just too out there for me.

#3 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-10-26 04:02 PM | Reply

TEXAS has about 1000 people everyday
MOVING here...
want to compare that to New york or california.

TEXAS created more business in the past reporting period than all the others combined according to the dept of labor stats....

TEXAS>....run by conservatives ANd republicans.

also ABOUT NINE BILLION In reserve....

#53 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-27 10:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

AND more bad news for democrats

GALLOP POLL

people calling themselves

conservatives...48%
moderates 31%
liberals........ 20%

#54 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-27 10:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

#52 live_die
it showed a very dumbed down administration that didn't know what it was doing (except for the lies of course).

I'm ready to jump on-board the 'True Conservative' train. How about everyone else? The methodology is: "The whole administration was so dumb, they couldn't do anything right, except for lying." Maybe this guy will know a little bit of what he's doing, and lie too. He'd be a great choice.

#55 | Posted by L_RContrarian at 2009-10-27 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

AND HERE is the best freind that conservatives have

KEEP TALKING barney,.....

www.thefoxnation.com

#56 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-27 10:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The whole administration was so dumb, they couldn't do anything right, except for lying."

#55 | Posted by L_RContrarian at 2009-10-27 10:28 AM

Bush admin to a "T"

I want conservative governance too, but not from idiotic liars.

#57 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-10-27 11:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

Bush admin to a "T"

#57 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-10-27 11:18 AM | Re

Bullshit. They were bad at plenty of things, but there is nothing they were worse at than lying.

They'd tell the most ridiculous lies that were inconsequential, and then a week or two later when the media was still harping on the inconsequetial lie, they'd finally clarify, and tell the truth (or a poor half-truth that would haunt them again weeks later).

#58 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-10-27 11:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

I dont believe you.
can you tell us one or two of those instances.

WMD doesnt count....because I think they believed it was there which isnt the same thing as a lie

#59 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-27 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

#58 | Posted by 101Chairborne at 2009-10-27 11:24 AM

haha, good point.

#60 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-10-27 12:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

WMD doesnt count....because I think they believed it was there which isnt the same thing as a lie

#59 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-27 11:55 AM

The intel told them they were there, fine, fair point, but instead of verifying that, they pushed forward assuming it was true, and told a bunch of lies and half-truths in THAT process.

#61 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-10-27 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, why are we discussing old presidents? Oh, someone deflected to Bush and I let myself follow it. Damn!

#62 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-10-27 12:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

So why didn't it work for the Country when Bush did it?

#63 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-10-27 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bush was not a fiscal conservative--he cut the taxes--fine.

But he allowed and signed on to horrendous spending.

#64 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-10-27 12:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Reality....this nation will continue to decline until wages start to rise for the masses, until then your philisophy wins.

#13 | POSTED BY MONEYWAR AT 2009-10-26 04:31 PM | REPLY | FLAG

Perhaps, but wages need to rise based on individual productivity, not governmental regulation.

#65 | Posted by somoco at 2009-10-27 06:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is going to prevent said private company from doubling the toll price a year from now?

Isn't that an extra tax?
I thought the right hates taxes?

Connecticut doesn't have toll roads;)

#66 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-10-28 06:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Connecticut doesn't have toll roads;)

try and keep it that way../.

toll road not far from here is paid for
toll still there they say to fund others but that wasnt what they said at first

paid for it will be free.........yeah sure it is.

#67 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-28 10:34 AM | Reply | Flag:

"that wasnt what they said at first"

Don't blame me, I voted for Kinky.

#68 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-10-28 10:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

turned an $800 million deficit into a $1.2 billion surplus by cutting overhead

Now if only the GOP could duplicate this performance on a national level, instead of giving away the store to corporate interest, they might have something.

#69 | Posted by fresno500 at 2009-10-28 11:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Conservatives are like unicorns. A mythical creature republicans call on in hard times...

#70 | Posted by Prolix247 at 2009-10-28 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag: