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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced today that the merged health care bill will include a public option allowing states to opt-out. "Under this concept states will be able to determine whether the public option works best for them," Reid told reporters.

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He also said "there will be a co-op in this bill."

Is there any additional watering down - moving the goalposts they can accomplish?

Okay righties, is this radical change or a copycat move by Obama.

Or, in your world, both and neither?

No trigger option in bill!

Reid said he was "disappointed" the public option had "frightened" Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-ME) but that he hoped she would "come back."


"I spoke to Olympia on Friday...and at this stage she does not like the public option of any kind. And so, we'll have to move forward on this, and there will come a time I hope, where she sees the wisdom of supporting a health care bill," he said.

He also blasted Republicans, saying he can count the moderates in the GOP on "two fingers."
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What will this trigger?

Today Reid implied that under the current bill, states will have until 2014 to opt out of the government plan.
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But when will it start?

They're not calling it the "public option" anymore--the Demmies have come up with "competitive option". So now when we "invest" in health care spending, we'll be sure to do it competitively. Or something.

North it's neither yet, he hasn't advocated any specific bill over another.

What a great freaking tactic.

The poor Red States that get the majority of Fed Taxes sent to them, will opt out and lessen the financial burden on the rest of us. I am all for this. States' Rights Baby!!!!

We should have let them opt out of the simulus too.

In the next several hours, Reid will send the CBO a draft bill with alternative provisions on certain issues, to get a range of cost estimates on the plan he'll bring to the floor.
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Good numbers will make it hard for moderate and conservative dems to not support the bill.

What a great freaking tactic.
The poor Red States that get the majority of Fed Taxes sent to them, will opt out and lessen the financial burden on the rest of us. I am all for this. States' Rights Baby!!!!
We should have let them opt out of the simulus too.
#8 | Posted by Manypaths
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MP...no link but I've read that the southern Red States have the worse health care, if they opt out they will not be Red for long.

So-called "red states" are not necessarily "red" when it comes to State Legislators. You may not get what you expect come time to "opt out". Also, with so many states at or near bankruptcy, they are more dependent on Fed Govt than most believe - - not to mention the federal strong-arming we've been witnessing over certain political issues like States declaration of sovereignty (i.e. FL dropped out). Also, the PPP's are another threat to the State's sovereignty as well.

MP...no link but I've read that the southern Red States have the worse health care, if they opt out they will not be Red for long.

#10 | Posted by mmike

EXACTLY!!! They will be crying in no time that everyone else is getting a better deal than them. They will be BEGGING to get then, what they are screaming against now.

Hence my #8 post

What a great freaking tactic.

It is not "public option" anymore. Pelosi now has re-named it 'COMPETITIVE OPTION'. You have to love it.

Liberals have a need to rename things other than what they really are.

I don't have time to wade through the Senate's latest 1,500-page debacle, but I can guess that other federal funding will be tied to states' acceptance of the public option, thereby pressuring them to opt in. Reid would never make it a fair choice.

Living in lefty Illinois, my state legislators won't need any pressure to opt in anyways.


Bye, bye, Snowe, bye, bye "trigger"!

I wanna see the details, but watching Rethug Govs do with this what they did with the Stimulus Bill, condemn it, then have photo ops with the oversized checks, will be more hypocracy to chuckle over.

The name?

Hilarious, coming from the Party of Bills with names like, "The Pro-America Act."

Or, "County First", for that matter.

Hey Joe are you as pumped as I am to have Roland Burris as a Senator?!


Now we'll have traditionally states rights conservatives and Republicans say that states rights isn't a good idea..... lmfao

Nope, you will get the benefit of the public option Joe.

Don't worry.

It's those red states that will be on the outside looking in demanding they get what they are fighting against today.

Watch!

Nope, you will get the benefit of the public option Joe.

I don't want the "benefit" of the public option.

The poor Red States that get the majority of Fed Taxes sent to them, will opt out and lessen the financial burden on the rest of us. I am all for this. States' Rights Baby!!!!

We should have let them opt out of the simulus too.

#8 | Posted by Manypaths
* * * *

Uh huh. Something happens when millions of retirees head south and collect Social Security, and the Pentagon decides they need warm weather to train. But I'm thinking that the trillions of dollars headed to Manhattan and Connecticut to prop up investment banks and hedge funds, and the tens of billions more headed to bankrupt car parts makers in MI, OH, WI, and IL might have put your little talking point to bed for a long, long time. How many redneck welfare recipients in Mississippi do you need to add up to total one AIG?


You'll get it anyway by way of less costly premium increases due to less ER treatment, enforced by a competitive public plan.

All the assumptions are pretty funny.

The fact that you are all AFRAID is more so.

The Party of NO, NO, NO will never be happy. Fuck em. Let them opt out.

You could always move Joe, but we all know this isn't going to affect you enough to do so. You are just crying to cry.

Hell if the public option would cure sore pussies, you all would benefit from it.

The red states will opt out just like they opted out of stimulus money, then when they think they've gained all the press they can they'll quietly opt right back in.

"MP...no link but I've read that the southern Red States have the worse health care, if they opt out they will not be Red for long.

Which is probably the exact intent here - if there is anything Republicans can't resist, it's an opportunity to screw their constituents. What they will probably fail to realize is that this is the one thing their constituents will screw them back over.

Simple and ingenious. I like it.

I would rather have a public option that you can "opt into". That way if it's such a great deal, everybody will want in.

I would also love to see insurance companies forced to compete across state lines but you won't see that happen since their influence in Washington is too strong.

would rather have a public option that you can "opt into". That way if it's such a great deal, everybody will want in.

I thought that was what the term "option" meant. I don't believe there is any provision in the current bill that will REQUIRE you to enroll in the Public Option.

This is indeed a good development.

Reading this news makes me think of the the scene where Wile E. Coyote is smugly muttering to himself, "I am Wile E. Coyote, super genius", while a freight train is barreling down the tracks toward his tiny shack. All he can do is draw the window shade and wait.

How many redneck welfare recipients in Mississippi do you need to add up to total one AIG?

Hmm how many rural red states would there be if the fed wasn't subsidizing just about every aspect of your economy and infrastructure, from corn and dairy subsidies to road and airports. If we privatized all of that and let the market decide do you think any company would even bother build roads, phone lines, airports, bridges.....

The fact is that people in rural red states, who bitch about government the most, are the ones taking the largest slice of government support.

You could always move Joe, but we all know this isn't going to affect you enough to do so.

While this one thing might not be enough to make anyone move, chances are that any state that doesn't opt out is another big-government shithole like Illinois. And you can bet your ass that when I choose where to move when I retire, it won't be in a state that opted into ReidCare.

"I would also love to see insurance companies forced to compete across state lines but you won't see that happen since their influence in Washington is too strong."

Hey, it's ok with me but to some folks states rights are important. What that idea really means is that state legislatures will have nothing to say about health care in their states. Is that what you really want??? It's a perfect example of a talking point which when examined a little closer actually works against the basic principles that the conservatives claim to support.

"do you think any company would even bother build roads, phone lines, airports, bridges....."

Power companies refused to string lines in rural areas of the south until forced to.

"While this one thing might not be enough to make anyone move, chances are that any state that doesn't opt out is another big-government shithole like Illinois. And you can bet your ass that when I choose where to move when I retire, it won't be in a state that opted into ReidCare."

I hope you like living in Wyoming. Beautiful country.

If all the politicians opting to pass this bill will not accept the final consenses of the health bill for themselves and their own personal families, then disanull it for everyone else...
...
If all the politicians opting to pass this health bill will not accept the final consences for the health bill for themselves and their own personal families, then disanull it for everyone else...

If al politicians opting to pass this health bill will not accept the final consences of the health bill for themselves and their own personal family members, then disanull it for everyone else...

I hope you like living in Wyoming. Beautiful country.

It truly is

I hope you like living in Wyoming. Beautiful country.

You're right, it is.

lh5.ggpht.com

And coming from someone who lives in Florida, most of which is a complete dump, I have to find that funny.

"And coming from someone who lives in Florida, most of which is a complete dump, I have to find that funny."

Tell you what, let's discuss this in February.
Florida, a complete dump, you don't know what you're talking about. 95% of the state is pristine and beautiful. Best beaches in the US. Hey, we have some of the best night life too. What state do you live in Joe???

I'm with you on that, Danni. I love Florida. I'm going to Melbourne next month to spend some time with my sister there.

Used to love camping at Sebastian Inlet and down on Knights Key. Haven't been in twenty years. I'm sure they've changed like everywhere else.

Florida does have great beaches. And the beaches make up for about 1% of the state of Florida. Drive two miles from any of the beaches and you are likely in a hick-filled shithole.

I live in Illinois. And I already said it is a dump. I'm not the one saying Wyoming isn't a good-looking state.

"Florida does have great beaches. And the beaches make up for about 1% of the state of Florida."

Florida isn't for everybody, but actually most folks who come here for any amount of time, get sand in their shoes. That's why our population has grown so fast over the past several decades.

"I'm not the one saying Wyoming isn't a good-looking state."

I said it was beautiful. I would love to visit Wyoming, I'd love to live there for about six months of the year, just not the other six months of the year.

Meanwhile Ford's financial condition continues to improve while its market share continues to increase as government motors continues to decline even after the billions spent to bail them out.

Yep, government sure does know how to run a business. Into the ground, that is.

EXACTLY!!! They will be crying in no time that everyone else is getting a better deal than them. They will be BEGGING to get then, what they are screaming against now.


Hence my #8 post


What a great freaking tactic.

#12 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-10-26 03:54 PM


And as soon as they put all insurance companies out of business because they can't print their own money you'll be crying when government insurance goes through the roof.

5 years goes by in the blink of an eye.

Currently medicare/medicaid contributions are just 2.9 percent of a persons wages.

How much did Obama say we are currently spending on health care?

#32--- Danni, the insurance industry, like many industries (a lot of wallstreet-- investment banks,etc.) haven't competed for years. By not competing across state lines put them in the category of "welfare." You tend to lump people and their ideas into very narrow, rigid categories. You've tried with me and don't have a clue since you don't really know my core beliefs-- it might surprise you that I actually agree with some of your views but not all since you're rigidly in one camp and oppose the rigid views of the other camp.

This is a Trojan Horse. A state can opt out, all the state will have to do is provide Heath Care. Get it? All a state would have to do is allow itself to be bled dry after implementing it's own socialized Health Care system.

The only way Reid's latest scheme will work is if nobody reads the legislation. For example, if Reid and Pelosi refuse to post the bill for a week so that people are kept in the dark.

Exactly.

Ried can stick it up to his arse to the red, he does not really give anyone an option, he presents to them a mandate...
2014 to opt out of the Government plan, Don't believe it. Don't believe it, don't believe it, that is a bald fase lie, that is a bald fase lie.
that is a bald fased lie.......
Don't believe it... Don't believe it....

Same nag, different name.

This one will suddenly disappear like the others.

I have a feeling that Reid and a small cabal put this together-- it suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

"I have a feeling that Reid and a small cabal put this together-- it suddenly appeared out of nowhere."

It's the small cabal called the majority.

It's the small cabal called the majority.

#52 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-26 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL!

Correction, a small cabal within the majority.

#53---- Ah, beteljuice you're back-- haven't seen any posts from you recently. I was concerned that after my last riposte with you, you might have gone off to lick your wounds and not have recovered. I'm happy my friend that you weren't mortally wounded-- welcome back.

I was concerned that after my last riposte with you, you might have gone off to lick your wounds and not have recovered.

Boyd runs off every night licking his wounds. I've yet to see him in the victory circle.

#52----Danni, also good to hear from you--- I sense a serenity and calmness in some of your recent posts-- I enjoy that and it makes my heart jump with joy.

I sense a serenity and calmness in some of your recent posts--

That's one of the reasons danni is one of my favorite lib bloggers. She's usually calm, she doesn't easily respond to having her buttons pushed (that's a challenge for me that I like), but she knows how to push 'em. My kind of gal. LOL

I sometimes agree with her and sometimes not but she makes a good attempt at getting her facts right.

Opt-Out My Achin' Ass! You'll be able to opt-out like we can just opt-out of paying our taxes and obeying all the laws and regulations they are constantly shoving down our throats.

What a sham ... what con artists these Washington Pols are. They just want to get their foot in the door, and then they will orchestrate our lives from the moment we are born until we die because they are "paying all the bills". This health care reform has not one thing to do with covering the uninsured and everything to do with controlling us; otherwise, they would have used just a Very Small Part of the stimulus money to cover the approximately 15 Million people, less than 5 % of our population of 350 Million people who are chronically and unavoidably uninsured due to chronic conditions. They would also have instituted other reforms like individual purchase of health plans across state lines with tax free money and tort reform to lower costs of health care.

Why would a free people want these total economic dolts, these morally bankrupt opportunistic politicans who populate our Senate, House and this administration and faceless bureaucrats to run our lives with this so-called sham of a health care reform they are determined to slam down our throats. They refuse to hear us because it suits their agenda.

Wake up America. These people in Congress are but temporary holders of power -- just everyday citizens like the rest of us who managed to get themselves elected to office with whatever lies they told us to get there -- and have no Constitutional authority to impose their will on our physical bodies, our lives, our libery and our pursuit of happiness. This is truly frightening, the thing made of 1984, only worse, a thing of nightmares beyond any American Citizens' imagination. It cannot end well for the average person in this country.

does it mean we can opt out of paying for it too?

Three guys in a room in an undisclosed location, throwing shit against the wall, trying to throw together a nice sounding phraseology so that they can cram govt takeover of healthcare down the people's throats without the people knowing what the fuck is in the damn bill.

This has become a complete farce at this point and the dems should just walk away while they still have a chance.

This has become a complete farce at this point and the dems should just walk away while they still have a chance.
#62 | Posted by 8roper

You have only yourselves to blame. Public Option is a concession to the right who are ideologically opposed to Universal Single Payer (the only real solution), and you can't even appreciate that.

Admit that there is more political meat in obstruction than admitting that the GOP was defeated soundly in the last two elections.


Okay righties, is this radical change or a copycat move by Obama.


Or, in your world, both and neither?

#3 | Posted by northguy3 at 200


anyone who goes for this is as big a dupe as any obama voter.
its real simle.the plan is to put it in and then smile and lie and bullshit all over the media while all the time any state that dares to opt out will be punished by the federal government to the fullest extent they make possible.
its still a bad idea.

and here is the real problem

yesterday on CNN chuck schumer told the interviewer that ried told them not to be giving any details.
typical backroom bullshit that will fuck each and every one of us.

The fact is that people in rural red states, who bitch about government the most, are the ones taking the largest slice of government support.

#30 | Posted by republitard
* * * *

Maybe in most years. Up to me, I'd have the government out of all those things too.

But, again, how many cow farmers in Iowa or white-trash trailer dwellers in Mississippi can be put on the dole for less than the $1.4 trillion just zipped over to Wall Street? Farm subsidies run $16 billion a year--we just sent 70 years worth of that to AIG and Goldman Sachs. WI, MN, MI, IL, OH--a whole lotta blue voters there.

Big Obama contributors, those guys. End it all.

PELOSI now calling it the 'consumer option'.

another attempt at calling something by a different name in order to give the american people the biggest taxpayer fucking of all times.

The 'op out' will have to meet Reed's standards. Damn, that sounds funny. I didn't know he had any.

again
even an opt out is a bad idead.

and the fact that they are refusing to answer even the smallest questions is proof that they are up to the same thing with a different name.
for instance..one question they wont answer..if a state opts out, will they be able to get in later?

OF Course say if oklahoma is in and texas opts out..
who will then police the northern border to keep all of those 'damn okies' from using our BETTER health care system.....

"damn okies"..........lol

AND ITS TIME TO destroy TUPPERWARE

anyone else financial times article


TUPPERWARE made more profit than the EVIL< DEMONIZED health insurance industry which was at 2.2 % thats right.. those evil fuckin bastards had a profit per centage of a whopping 2.2% waaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyy DOWN THE LIST...

I don't care how many times nancy renames shit, it's still SHIT.

The opt out feature will benefit blue states because the states with the most uninsured are red states. Those are also the people who will actually qualify for the public option. So, when they opt out, and it would be red states that would, the blue states would not be stuck subsidizing the red state's health care bills. So, I hope the state with the most uninsured people, Texas, does choose to opt out.

so do I
EXCEPT for whatever the punishment that obama's people come up with for those who dare to show him to be the marxist he is.
check the link about barney franks commens for any proof you may need of that

glad you are here..
did YOU see the article showing health care insures somewhere in the 20's as to profit?
so will you protest all that tupperware profit??>???

I really dislike and don't believe politicians and I firmly believe that government is inefficient at running just about anything, but I have a hard time believing that a public option will not save money over a 10-20 year period. I would assume that costs would go up initially as people would actually access medical services that they are currently being denied - minor things that just aren't worth the hassle getting fixed now. However, moving people out of the emergency rooms into non-urgent care and some preventative medicine will definitely save a lot of money over time. My biggest concerns with the bill are:

1.) Removes personal responsibility. By this, I think the largest self imposed risk class are the obese. We, as taxpayers, are going to pay a lot of money treating things (diabetes, heart attacks, etc) that would be easily treated with a healthy diet and exercise. If they are assured coverage 100% without a premium equal to their much higher risk, I think this is unfair. I think the gov. will try to get around this by using taxes on soda, beer, etc - but this just makes me subsidize the overweight twice.

2.) No $'s for abortion. We need to encourage abortion in this country, we have no shorrtage of unskilled labor in this country.

3.) I would like to see a provision requiring proof of citizenship for all hospital services. If an illegal access the medical system, they should have their assets sold to pay for the medical bill and deported. I would also like to see a giant 'I' tattooed on their foreheads so they can not sneak back into the country.

NO ONE will be allowed to op-put.

Has anyone ever read this new healthcare plan?

The dems are throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks.

HERE IS A HEALTH CARE REFORM issue

well if you stretch it, it is..
but it does mean you are STILL crazy

comeon admit it people...

many of you here could have been on this site..


www.ratemymullet.com

How Reid Found His Silver Bullet: Opt-Out Pitched Just Three Weeks Ago

Two months ago, the public option for insurance coverage was being read its last rites. On Monday, it was alive and well after Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced that he would include the provision as part of a broader health care bill.

The announcement was a dramatic triumph for the progressive community, which had howled and hissed for months as the prospects for a government-run plan dimmed. But the story behind Reid's decision has more to do with backroom negotiations behind a hastily proposed idea than with a change in political temperament.

The compromise proposal that turned out to be the senator's solution for the public option impasse -- allowing states to opt-out of the system -- first came to his attention only three weeks ago, an aide confirmed.

In the weeks after the Congress came back from the August recess it was clear that reform in general -- and the public option in particular -- had lost inertia as a result of systematic attacks from boisterous town-halls protesters. In the Senate, the prospects of corralling the 60 votes needed to break a Republican filibuster seemed out of reach.

Democrats began kibitzing with each other to find a solution. Conservatives in the party were not on board a public plan, but liberals were equally sour on a bill without one. Former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle had proposed allowing state governments to set up their own government-run systems back in June. But that too had been ridiculed among progressives.

Around the time that the Senate Finance Committee was slated to vote on (and ultimately reject) two variations of a national public option, two of its members -- Sens. Tom Carper (D-Del.) and Chuck Schumer (D-NY) -- began informal talks about how to bridge the divide within the caucus.

Carper went first. The Delaware Democrat proposed a variation of Daschle's state-run entity -- in which states would instead be able to opt in to a national public plan.

"It caught on," said one Democratic Senate aide who was privy to the early conversations. "[Carper] started talking about it with other moderates. It seemed inoffensive. [Schumer] recognized it had potential with the moderates and tried to meet them halfway in terms of the having a state option."


www.huffingtonpost.com

TRANSLATION

here is a way we can put one over the duped people of this country. the ones who just watch cbs or nbc.

nothing more than a disguise and a way to lie through thier teeth.

You have only yourselves to blame. Public Option is a concession to the right who are ideologically opposed to Universal Single Payer (the only real solution), and you can't even appreciate that.


#63 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine ( emphasis added)


How amusing - for you to try and use 8th grade level logic with me.

Here is a total piece of shit piece of legislation - Oh you dont like it? then we will make it OPTIONAL , even though you will pay for it if you opt out of receiving from it.

And HC, you call this a CONCESSION for the righties?

As if the righties ASKED for government healthcare with an OPT OUT ????


You lefties are having a really bad showing with this presidency and congress and I can see you guys getting setback at least 4 election cycles for this shit.

You'll never learn.


Back it off to the 3rd grade setting, and try again, HC.

#73 | Posted by goodlittlenazi


Pretty funny persona .

Have we figured out which regular poster this is?

Ah, the Corkster .

Hey - I had you nailed with that pic of the fat biker twink, didn't I ?

?????

2.) No $'s for abortion. We need to encourage abortion in this country, we have no shorrtage of unskilled labor in this country.



nice
right out of the farakhan playbook

he said as much just the other day about the swine flu thing

hope you are comfortable being in that same 'fog'


Yeah, that is the best you've got, a cut 'n paste home album pic.

8roper

the key to the whole opt out bullshit is the PUNISHMENT from the liberal fed govt for states that choose that.
MY idea is that the punishment will be worse than the opt in....and done strickly on purpose just for that end

and then DEMocRATs can stand up and say..'
hey...you had a choice when reality is that there will BE NO OPT OUT.......

its called the

"chicago way'

no silly

the stuff you send to me stays on an external hard drive.

STRICTLY !!!!!

AFKA

how can we even hypothesize what the rules / penalties of the OPT OUT would be??

who the fuck knows

its just a word floating in the ether.

you know -

the whole -

dems think everyone is stupid because the core of their constituency is - thingy.


8Doper

You must be proud....


www.google.com

NOONE knows any details and thats the way democrats plan it

Chuck schumer ADMITED ON NATIONAL TV yesterday

harry ried has told them NOT to talk about any details.....why are they scared for people to know what they are about to vote on that affects every person in the country and that much of our economy?
easy....they KNOW we wont like it.

CORKY

SPEAKING OF

SOMALIE PIRATES take british couple.

CORKEE Laff all U want - but I'm happy.

Cork I think you look good here.

(Vampy wigs add spice to any relationship, huh?)

brodhe.com

damn corkster

I didnt know you even HAD that much hair...


I do so love family pics. 8roper has a lovely wife, eh?

"How amusing - for you to try and use 8th grade level logic with me."

I wasn't trying to be rude or condescending. Just stating a fact. You are ideologically opposed to single payer. End of story. It doesn't matter how far backwards Democrats are willing to go in order to get you to work with them on the people's business. You are ideologically opposed to the ideas that a majority of this country voted in support of last November.

That really is the end of the story. Republicans aren't interested in any negotiations that don't treat republicans like they are the majority party. So any statements to the contrary are just stalling tactics aiding an overall plan of general obstruction.

Even that jerk Baucus, changed procedure in his committee in an effort to be bipartisan, and where did that get him?

Your party can not accept the results of the last election and are kicking all the dirt out of the sandbox in a fit.

A reminder, I didn't vote for the guy either. Just speaking the truth.


Nice post, HC.

I was going to post this after reading #95, but then I read #94 and ... oh, wait!


www.drudge.com

Red states will suffer and be blue. Stop the harlequins and carpetbaggers from taking what is rightfully your's. Smarten up like the grid that is coming or you will find yourselves both cold, sick, alone with noone to bring you comfort except for your conservative lapdog Harry Fido Reid. Get smart - opt out of the republican party now!

but then I read #94 and ... oh, wait!
www.drudge.com
#96 | Posted by Corky

LOL. Are you trying to pick a fight with me?


I always shoot downwards.


;^D

I always shoot downwards.


;^D

Posted by Corky at 2009-10-27 01:12 PM | Reply


Dude You are supposed to shoot slantways. You shoot downwards Your feet get wet.

Larry

"slantways."

Is that a word??

If not, it should be!!

I like it!!

lol

Dude You are supposed to shoot slantways. You shoot downwards Your feet get wet.

Larry

#100 | Posted by LarryMohr

Somehow nobody creeps me out here more than you, Larry. Your ability to create an image.... its a talent.
Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-10-27 09:15 AM

#94 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Never mind all that shit

why no reply about your new Dell on the Microsoft thread?

do you think I fucked up geting the standard included chip?( 2.7 Ghz)

I always shoot downwards.
;^D
#99 | Posted by Corky

Fine by me since I'm the cricket on your shoulder chirping in your ear.

I don't know but they made slant 6 cylniders for Chrysler products so it sat in there slantways. I guess it's a word.

Larry

why no reply about your new Dell on the Microsoft thread?

Its coming today. Hasn't been delivered yet.

Variant of slantwise

slantwise definition
slantwise (-wīz′)

adverb

so as to slant or slope; obliquely
also slantways slant′ways′ (-wāz′)
adjective

slanting; oblique

Its coming today. Hasn't been delivered yet.

#106 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

what type did you order?

I guess HC Never lived to shoot christmas tree lights with His pecker after dark. Pissed(No pun intended) the Mother off. She never knew what caused them to explode though. Thank G-d.

Larry

Inspiron 1545, Intel Core 2 Duo P7350, 2.0GHz, 1066Mhz, 3ML2 Cache

4GB, DDR2, 800MHz 2 Dimm

"I guess HC Never lived to shoot christmas tree lights with His pecker after dark."

Jeez, Larry. You're too much.

#104

HC gets a new PC!


www.flickr.com

Best of luck. I'm sure it's better than the one Doper got with the measly ol' standard chip, lmao!

We shot xmas lights with a BB gun, not urine

We shot xmas lights with a BB gun, not urine

#113 | Posted by goatman

But you did dip the bb's in urine first, right?

LM

I'm from Kansas HC we had to make our own fun. It ain't like New York CIty where You have it all and then some.

Larry

j/k

I wasn't allowed a gun so no BB's here.

"It ain't like New York CIty where You have it all and then some."

Two things we don't have here that I miss like an amputee misses a limb is starlight and privacy.

Two things we don't have here that I miss like an amputee misses a limb is starlight and privacy.


Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-10-27 01:41 PM | Reply

Point Taken HC now THAT would suck.

But you did dip the bb's in urine first, right?

Doesn't everyone?

#110 | Posted by Hagbard Celine

I'm ordering my wife a Studio 17 for Christmas. I can't get the gold customer on it though. That stinks.

#121
I wish I were getting a desktop. I hate paying double the price for the same pc.

Like buying a mac.


Best of luck. I'm sure it's better than the one Doper got with the measly ol' standard chip, lmao!


#112 | Posted by Corky


Uh Oh -

"Doper" has the last laugh:

1 AMD Athlon' II X2 215 (2.7GHz, 1MB)

I also got a kick ass video card so i can get full hi res pleasure when looking at those images you send me, Cork.

oops did I type that?

sorry.


"When death is the only way out of medical debt":

Video: After battling breast cancer and medical bills for years, a mother dies, allowing her family to pay their debts.

www.msnbc.msn.com

80% of bankruptcies are over medical bills. 65% of those HAD health insurance...

I can see it now. But if the state opts out, they don't get any more federal funding. At least they can say states could opt out.

#124. I call bullshit statistics. Just like all health insurers are making an obscene profit. Twisted. Where's all the reports on doctors practicing medicine defensively over lawsuits causing waste?

Looks like the consensus on the Public Option is meeting some opposition.

F***ing Liberman...

Yeah, what a great deal. The citizens of the states that opt-out still have to pay all the increased taxes to pay for the people who opt-in, or who are forced to be in the public option because their insurance companies have gone out of business.

What morons these people are that we have elected to high office. They would be selling magazines, toothpaste, etc. door-to-door (no offense to door-to-door salespersons) if they hadn't been elected by all the lies they told the electorate to get into office. They are beyond shameful. Con-men (or, con-women), all.

It will be humorous to see how many repug governor's opt out of the public option, just like they did the stimulus funding, eh?

LMFAO


In the next several hours, Reid will send the CBO a draft bill with alternative provisions on certain issues, to get a range of cost estimates on the plan he'll bring to the floor.
===================


Good numbers will make it hard for moderate and conservative dems to not support the bill.

#9 | Posted by mmike at 2009-10-26 03:23 PM

Has there been any good numbers coming from the CBO when these idiots send some new POS draft? Now this fucking idiot won't even bother to get their projections? Gee I wonder why?

Reid (D-NV) said after "countless hours" of talking to his caucus, there is a "strong consensus" for this plan. He said he will not submit a plan with a triggered public option to the Congressional Budget Office.

somewhere this AM I heard that someone is sending a plan for the 'trigger' to the cbo to look at.
could this be what happens or will pelosi and rhom threaten and bribe 18 more in the house that is said to be the number they lack.


and one more time.

this opt out bullshit.
anyone who doesnt think that the fed...especailly THIS One...wont punish any state severely for opting out hasnt been paying much attention lately

The more Harry yaks, the less chance for passage of the health care bill. Muzzle the fool!

I disagree of course..keep talking.

but maybe he should think of his own political welfare. the more he talks the more completely incompetent he looks as well as politically impotent.
that HAS to help his oppenents in 2010

AFK

How many repug gov's declined the stimulus money, despite all their bs decrying it?


INCOMPETENCE talk from rightwingers, now that's funny right there, i don't care which side of the political spectrum you support......

laugh real loud while you can

it will turn into tears the 2nd WEDNESDAY of 2010.
(yes I know.....thats the day AFTER..I figured you and many others will be so drunk that night watching wolf blitzer trying to explain away the MASSACRE

dream on

I don't watch tv news at all and havent' since 2004 buddy....sorry for you and anyone else who still watches any corporate msm

and that explains a lot about your pathetic misinformation

you have no clue about my pathetic misinformation

ba dump dump

now here is where you act like any other suckass liberal and use my little self defamination joke back at me thus creating an even broader scasim of political hate

I don't watch tv news at all and havent' since 2004
#136 | Posted by woke at 2009-10-28 11:40 AM |
--------------------

2004 is the year when woke's Bush Derangement Syndrome really kicked into high gear. Another 'Stolen' election eh wokey?

Since that point in time he has put tin foil on all the windows and retired to the basement, smoking dope and playing the greatest hits of the 60's over and over. He mixes it up by posting delusional conspiracy theories on the web all day.

What a great retirement you got going there wokey!
.

and your comment on tv news is all I need to know anyway
I guess all of that time is spent on academic activity
or maybe you are wasting your bosses money and blogging on the job......

regardless the most important event of the day is about to occur


LUNCH...........

you have no clue about my pathetic misinformation

#137 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2009-10-28 11:55 AM


Yes i do.

You simply regurgitate what you hear your partisan, multimillionaire, right wing talking heads and failed politico's spew....

If you only knew how transparent your partisan backbiting and namecalling is, you'd stop it.

But you don't, so please continue to show your ignorance and party over country.


There is a bit of a difference in pointing out failure AFTER it occurs and calling for it to occur before it does son.

139

That's right, I use google news to view hundreds of written articles daily and that is where i get my info, as opposed to having it spoon fed to me by giant global corporations.

And, uh,....I retired after working over 40 years, including 4 in the military sonny.

Funny you should talk about blogging while working, as I watch every day here on DR, posters just like yourself disappear both after work hours and on the weekends.

Physician, heal thyself, eh?

its okay that you arent aware that I also am retired from serving my country. I served my country on the front lines of education for 29 years and I am now serving my oountry be helping to expose the real danger of the obama administration.
and when I disappear its to work on other things.

and here is something for the people of this ONCE great country to see and compare to what obama is doing to us. he usually used the ALINSKY playbook but lately he has gont to another "advisor"


""America is like a healthy body and its resistance is threefold: its patriotism, its morality, and its spiritual life. If we can undermine these three areas, America will collapse from within."

Joseph Stalin

sorry but one more thing

so you use news from the internet to gather information

arent you afraid that some of that might be untrue...

and so how does the 'internet neutrality' issue settle with you..

that seems to me like google and ebay and the others are merely working to force anyone else out from thier money makeing.....

have to read response later...really must go

DAMN IT>.

one more.

post 140

typical response from liberal fucks who have no sense of humor

party over country
GODDDAMN democrats have the franchise on this

MASS and the kennedy seat

CHARLEY RANGLE STILL sitting as chair of ways and means


so maybe you should actully know what you are talking about next time

so maybe you should actully know what you are talking about next time

Posted by afkabl2

Doesn't ever seem to stop you.

142

When fascism comes to the USA, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a bible. Sinclair Lewis

143

Tell you what, I'll continue to gather info from several sources on each issue and read credible, journalism.....and you continue to rely on giant, corporate conglomerates, owned/operated by foreigners like murdoch and rev. moon, and extremem rw neocons/multimillionaire talking heads tell you what to think

it's no worries on me, since it's you who is appearing so partisan that you denounce our potus even before he's allowed a 911 attack to occur....just remember that 90% of all Americans supported lilaWol AFTER 911 and you cannot even support our current potus before anything has occurred like that......


GOP=party over country

Ann Coulter says democrats 'opt out' provision is a fruad.
She writes: Democrats tell us they've been trying to nationalize health-care for 65 years, but the first anyone heard of the 'opt out' provision was about a week ago. They keep changing the language so people can't figure out what's going on.

The most important fact about the 'opt out' scheme allegedly allowing states to decline gov health insurance is that a state can't 'opt out' of paying for it.
All 50 states will pay for it. A state legislature can only opt out of allowing it's own citizens to receive the benifeits of a federal program they're paying for.

Almost everything wrong with our health care system comes from government interference with the free market.
If the health care system is broken, then fix it. Don't try to invent a new one premised on all the bad ideas that are causing problems in the first place...

"The most important fact about the 'opt out' scheme allegedly allowing states to decline gov health insurance is that a state can't 'opt out' of paying for it."

Much like the stimulus money. Turn it down if you feel you must.

"Almost everything wrong with our health care system comes from government interference with the free market."

OMG, are you actually that stupid?!?

# DANFORTH 149 OMG, are you actually that stupid?!?

We all know that the interference our gov. is causing now is not the patients faults, it's surly not the Dr's faults. Somebody's got to take the blame, DO YOU WANT IT? I'm not taking the blame.

"We all know that the interference our gov. is causing now is not the patients faults, it's surly(sic) not the Dr's faults."

Please explain how "Almost everything wrong with our health care system comes from government interference with the free market."

Be specific.

"Almost everything wrong with our health care system comes from government interference with the free market."

What a load of crap, do you believe everything the right wing pundits tell you????
Do you ever think for yourself???

"OMG, are you actually that stupid?!?"

Danforth, yes, of course he is. I know, it's hard to accept that so many are so dumb but consider the IQ spectrum, at least 49.999% are below average intelligence and most of them can vote. I think Rupert Murdock realized that statistic and became very wealthy by capitalizing on it.

DANFORTH You can get a lot more information than I have time to write a book on, if you google, view study, and see for your self.
"Max Keiser", "Gerald Celente", and
"Bilderberg Group"

danni post # 152 What a load of crap, do you believe everything the rightwing pundits tell you???

Suppose you fill me in on the specific details DANNI since you know it all???
I'm waiting for your answer...
And is dumb people like you allowed to vote???
No wonder Washingto is in such a screwed up quagmire...

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