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The prospects of saving the world's coral reefs now appear so bleak that plans are being made to freeze samples to preserve them for the future. A meeting in Denmark took evidence from researchers that most coral reefs will not survive even if tough regulations on greenhouse gases are put in place.

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Oh, the horror! Global warming caused it.


"Global warming caused it. "

Yup. Happy extinction. You deserve it.

Science 14 December 2007:
Vol. 318. no. 5857, pp. 1737 - 1742
DOI: 10.1126/science.1152509

Review
Coral Reefs Under Rapid Climate Change and Ocean Acidification
O. Hoegh-Guldberg,1* P. J. Mumby,2 A. J. Hooten,3 R. S. Steneck,4 P. Greenfield,5 E. Gomez,6 C. D. Harvell,7 P. F. Sale,8 A. J. Edwards,9 K. Caldeira,10 N. Knowlton,11 C. M. Eakin,12 R. Iglesias-Prieto,13 N. Muthiga,14 R. H. Bradbury,15 A. Dubi,16 M. E. Hatziolos17

Atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration is expected to exceed 500 parts per million and global temperatures to rise by at least 2C by 2050 to 2100, values that significantly exceed those of at least the past 420,000 years during which most extant marine organisms evolved. Under conditions expected in the 21st century, global warming and ocean acidification will compromise carbonate accretion, with corals becoming increasingly rare on reef systems. The result will be less diverse reef communities and carbonate reef structures that fail to be maintained. Climate change also exacerbates local stresses from declining water quality and overexploitation of key species, driving reefs increasingly toward the tipping point for functional collapse. This review presents future scenarios for coral reefs that predict increasingly serious consequences for reef-associated fisheries, tourism, coastal protection, and people. As the International Year of the Reef 2008 begins, scaled-up management intervention and decisive action on global emissions are required if the loss of coral-dominated ecosystems is to be avoided.

www.sciencemag.org

PROFESSOR Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, of Queensland University, is Australia's most quoted reef expert. He's advised business, green and government groups, and won our rich Eureka Prize for scares about our reef. He's chaired a $20 million global warming study of the World Bank. In 1999, Hoegh-Guldberg warned that the Great Barrier Reef was under pressure from global warming, and much of it had turned white. In fact, he later admitted the reef had made a "surprising" recovery.

In 2006, he warned high temperatures meant "between 30 and 40 per cent of coral on Queensland's great Barrier Reef could die within a month". In fact, he later admitted this bleaching had "a minimal impact".

In 2007, he warned that temperature changes of the kind caused by global warming were again bleaching the reef. In fact, the Global Coral Reef Monitoring Network last week said there had been no big damage to the reef caused by climate change in the four years since its last report, and veteran diver Ben Cropp said this week that in 50 years he'd seen none at all.

Global Coral Reef Monitoring Network

What the hell would they know about Coral Reefs?

"plans are being made to freeze samples to preserve them for the future"

The Ted Williams memorial coral reef.

Cmon,
Everyone knows that Ove Hoegh-Guldberg, of Queensland University is just another of Rush Limbaugh's goons! He is a DR Righty idiot who follows the talking points!!

And Ben Cropp? Global Reef Monitoring Network???

Why those clowns are just on the oil company's payrolls!

You Rightie gullible idiots!!!

Cmon Zat!!!

Cut and paste!!!!!!

Happy extinction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"at least the past 420,000 years during which most extant marine organisms evolved."

#2 | Posted by Zatoichi

most of the existing marine organisms evolved over the past 420K years. Uh, No!

damn it! I told you to stop pissing in the ocean!

Denmark? Sounds like a great place to study coral reefs.

Run for your life. The sky is falling.

If you listen to all the scientists, everything is doomed. We are all going to die. This afternoon.


And that's just Ray......

^.^

"If you listen to all the scientists, everything is doomed. We are all going to die. This afternoon."

Yeah, so I just enjoy what life I have ... even if global warming is true, and even if most of the low-lying cities are doomed to be flooded ... it prolly won't happen in my lifetime ... so all fo you YOUNGSTERS are doomed. :)


John B.
www.politicscity.com

"Oh, the horror! Global warming caused it."

#1 | Posted by KBM


Yes it IS horrible.

But DO continue being happy and denying there are any problems.

Oh, the horror! Global warming caused it.

Finally this dufus actually says something even RiR can argue with.

I have lived and dived in Hawaii for 35 years now and let me tell you, it's all been down hill. The reefs are nothing like they were when I first arrived.
Screw the assholes like Ben Cropp. He's is either a blind idiot or a paid stooge. I suspect both.

It's not just the heat that is killing the reefs at any rate. It's the pollution, spear fishing, shell collecting and coral harvesting that is doing most of the damage, at least in Hawaii, but ask guys like KBM and he'll swear that that is not caused by man.

Saving the reefs, which are a huge natural resource for mankind to learn to use wisely, is not about cap n trade, it's about common sense which seems to have eluded half the population of the planet these days.

^.^

It's not that I don't care about the reefs. I am for what I call "responsible use", which means that we as people should try to maintain the environment and leave the place at least as good, if not better than how we found it.

What I don't agree with is the screaming that MANKIND IS DESTROYING THE PLANET and how we're ALL GOING TO BURN IN A WORLD-WIDE HEAT WAVE and all the blaming of humans for everything bad that is happening.


John B.
www.politicscity.com

But DO continue being happy and denying there are any problems.

#14 | Posted by Monstman at 2009-10-26 12:55 PM

Do continue to whine and support policies that transfer wealth but don't do anything for the environment, like "Cap 'n' Trade."

It's the pollution, spear fishing, shell collecting and coral harvesting that is doing most of the damage, at least in Hawaii, but ask guys like KBM and he'll swear that that is not caused by man.---Ring


Ring there is a differnce between calling it global warming and caused because man is harvesting and doing the damage.

Ringmaster:

Lived on Maui for 3 years in Kihei. I personally watched the degradation of the reefs along Kameole III and at the Manakai.

The driver was fertilizers. Whole sections just died from the first year there until the last.

But again. Lets not talk about that issue. Lets blame global warming and then not do anything about it. Just like the Indonesian rainforest destruction. It don't matter, keep bitching about global warming and now you can feel real good about your self.


uhhhhhh HAPPY EXTINCTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

'But DO continue being happy and denying there are any problems.

#14 | Posted by Monstman at 2009-10-26 12:55 PM

Do continue to whine and support policies that transfer wealth but don't do anything for the environment, like "Cap 'n' Trade."'

#17 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

How about the CAP IN YOUR ASS policy is the only one I am aware of.

You wingnuts seem to love settling problems with guns!

BTW, does this mean you admit there is a problem with the envirnoment? And thus you don't care for this policy solution I never mentioned?

Or do you take the dual track of bitching about solutions while continuing to deny there is a problem?

How about the CAP IN YOUR ASS policy is the only one I am aware of.

You wingnuts seem to love settling problems with guns!

#20 | Posted by Monstman at 2009-10-26 01:44 PM

Another sissy afraid of guns, lol! So afraid, he brings them up in a thread about climate change.

BTW, does this mean you admit there is a problem with the envirnoment? And thus you don't care for this policy solution I never mentioned?

Or do you take the dual track of bitching about solutions while continuing to deny there is a problem?

#20 | Posted by Monstman at 2009-10-26 01:44 PM

I do believe there is a problem. I'm not a "doom-&-gloomer" when it comes to global warming, but I greatly favor any policy that truly reduces pollution, including the burning of fossil fuels. I think our excess as a race is absurd, though it could be justified if we were to at least control our waste. I don't however favor the Monstman-Democrat solution of moving a bunch of wealth around while making piddly little changes to pollution control, aka "Cap 'n' Trade."

#20 | Posted by Monstman at 2009-10-26 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes I think there are HUGE problems facing our environment fuckface. Maybe you should actually read what others write for a change.

And we don't settle our problems with guns either. But we keep them handy for when the big extinction hits and idiots like you will come banging on our doors trying to take what is not theirs.

I greatly favor any policy that truly reduces pollution, including the burning of fossil fuels. I think our excess as a race is absurd, though it could be justified if we were to at least control our waste.

#21 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

The only true and viable solution is to reduce the global human population. 500 million would be the ideal number.

But that ain't gonna happen.

So we will all ultimately drown in our own excrement. And take the rest of the planet down with us.

Zot: Given how we breed like flies, I think you would have to drop way more than 500 million.

Oh, the horror! Global warming caused it.

#1 | Posted by KBM at 2009-10-25 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Ignorant S.O.B.

"He never gradeated science talk Paw!"... sophisticated discussion in KBM's childhood household...

from just above...

The only true and viable solution is to reduce the global human population. 500 million would be the ideal number.

But that ain't gonna happen.

#23 | Posted by ZOT at 2009-10-26 02:21 PM

Actually I think the earth could sustain 5 billion people, and I've done a fair bit of research into it. However, that would be with carbon caps, and a environmentally conscious populous as well.

As it stands we are already almost 2 billion past that mark, and growth rates are far above where they need to be. Instead of "One child China", think "2 child earth".

#26: Earthmuse.
I grew up in a typical Irish Catholic mob in the baby boomer years (6 kids). I remember back in the mid sixties talking to my folks about how families cant continue to do that.Out of those 6 kids, we only produced 8 grandkids. So 1.5 to one on that generation.

But go to the 3rd world and breeding runs rampant still. Its a question of machismo in so many cultures.

How do we stop this cycle.

Given how we breed like flies, I think you would have to drop way more than 500 million.

#24 | Posted by boojiboy

Drop down to 500 million total population.

"How do we stop this cycle."

Starvation, disease, nuclear war.
Or I could just blow up your silly little planet.
Take your pick.

Actually I think the earth could sustain 5 billion people, and I've done a fair bit of research into it.

#26 | Posted by earthmuse

Sure we could.

The planet, with major global cooperation, draconian methods of resource management, and equal resource sharing, to include food, water, and energy, could sustain 20 billion people.

And we can all sleep in tubes and cubes like the Japanese.

Of course, Make Room! Make Room! by Harry Harrison (author also of the Stainless Steel Rat series) comes to mind, as does FROOMB by John Lymington (Fluid's Running Out Of My Brakes), the term itself pretty much defines where we are right now: the brick wall awaits at the bottom of the hill and we ain't wearing our seat belts.

I grew up in a typical Irish Catholic mob in the baby boomer years (6 kids).

But go to the 3rd world and breeding runs rampant still. Its a question of machismo in so many cultures.

How do we stop this cycle.

#27 | Posted by boojiboy

Which culture gobbled more resources?

I don't think it is so much a question of machismo. In the immortal words of a woman I used to know from Burlington, Colorado as to why she was so randy: "Shit, all we had to out there in high school was screw!"

Fortunately all this cycles every few years, so the reefs should either be fine in a couple of years, or at least threatened by global cooling. In the late 60s and early 70s it was global warming. In the late 70s there was talk of putting coal dust on the poles in order to warm the earth from the impending disaster of a new ice age. For about the last 20 years or so it's been Al Gore's Global Meltdown Express, with everyone doomed to fry like catfish within another ten years. No doubt that will reverse since there's been no warming over the last dozen years, and we in the midst of the coolest decade in a century. Too bad, I was hoping Spokane would get some beach-side property.

I remember back in the 80's it was what we all heard about... the coral reefs disappearing. Yet, here we are... and there they are. I'm curious as to who's grant money has run low and needs a new injection to keep their operation afloat. Lord knows these "scientists" couldn't find a function in the private sector. It sure is good that this green stuff has started stirring up once again.

I love how these scientist think they have it all figured out when they can't accurately tell us what tomorrows weather will be. I love how so many of you use statistical end-results when arguing "facts", yet never question how the data was compiled. Assuming most of you are indeed educated, surely you know how easy it is to manipulate stats... especially when something as important as a grade is on the line... let alone a wad of cash.

Perhaps I might take this stuff more seriously when the weather forecaster, according to his/her model, can accurately assure me I don't have to bring an umbrella with me to work. Anyone claiming to be so certain of their data always makes my eyebrow raise. I mean, you can usually tell by the names of these groups what they're in favor of or against. It's odd how convenient it is that they always seem to generate the data that supports their cause isn't it. When was the last time you heard the NRA say, "Well, statistics show it is guns that are dangerous, not the people." or visa-versa?

Hey, wasn't that balloon-boy's father a scientist? A self-proclaimed scientist sure, but likely equally as desperate.

Murphy said...Ring there is a differnce between calling it global warming and caused because man is harvesting and doing the damage.

Why take a quote, out of context and expect no one to catch on? Especially the guy that wrote it. Go back, read my comment again and try again Murph. I clearly also said first..."It's not just the heat that is killing the reefs at any rate."

Also boojiboy, fertilizer is pollution to coral reefs. That does not mean that temperature changes don't effect coral too. In fact, it's obvious that it does. Even a few degrees difference in water temperature can bleach out a reef. It has happen at least 7 times in Florida in the past 50 years and each time it gets worse. Hurricanes actually help because they churn up cooler water from the bottom, but the warming trend is dominant now and there is a net loss of reef in Florida as a result.

I will say, the one good thing Bush did was is create a new marine sanctuary in the northern Hawaiian islands, but he had an excuse, there is no known oil reserves there.

Bad news, kids: Grandma has cancer.

Grandma's still alive six months later? Everything must be fine!

You miss the point, Snoofy. If the doctor keeps telling grandma, year after year, that she's going to die, but doesn't, then the problem is with the doctor, not grandma. Time to get a new doctor.

" there's been no warming over the last dozen years "

Data: data.giss.nasa.gov

Plot of last 144 months with a linear fit.
i179.photobucket.com

Slope's positive.

"Slope's positive.

#37 | Posted by Zatoichi"


That's racist.

If the doctor keeps telling grandma, year after year, that she's going to die, but doesn't, then the problem is with the doctor, not grandma. Time to get a new doctor.

You can smoke for 40 years and not develop lung cancer. So why does my doctor tell me to quit smoking?

Take a closer look at the slope, get rid of the anomalous changes, and one can see that the slope is flat, not positive. This is an excellent example of Mark Twain's old comment: "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics." A few months of unusual low temperatures should not be used to show that there is otherwise an increase. One would otherwise have to argue that there was more than a 10 degree upward change. And we certainly know that is not the case. The opposite would be true, as well.

I was at Tektite II on St Johns USVI in the Summer of 1970. There was a pristine reef system with many species of sea life. My diving buddy Sylvia Earle marinebio.org summed it up best: "There were many robust species of fishes, today the only robust species is SCUBA divers."

I dove in the Coral Sea in 1996. Most of the coral I saw was dead. I went back to dive the Tektite II site at Lameshur Bay in 1997. The reef was gone. The fish were gone. Nothing but sand and sea grass.

A History of the Study of Marine Biology
marinebio.org


"When the last fish is caught and all the rivers poisoned man will find out you can't eat money."
~Cree Indian saying

Ringmaster: Exactly my point.

See, everyone gets all worked up over the temperature, and then forgets about the immediate threat that can be eliminated. Deal with the fertilizer.

And in the case of biofuels and whether they contribute or alleviate GW. Who the fuck cares? Madagscar has lost 20% of its old growth rain forest in the last 8 years due to deforestation and planting of palm oil plantations for bio fuels. But bio fuels MAY be good, maybe not?

Global Warming has this opposite effect on the more immediate threats, we stop looking at them.

That's why I'm stocking up on Tabasco, Zatoichi. It makes money a lot more palatable.

I agree the coral reefs are in serious condition. I do not think reducing man's CO2 emmisions will reverse the problem.

Biofuels
Wind farms
Solar
Ethanol

All a bunch of crap.

Every one of these sources of energy are net-losers and should be shelved.

Oil should be embraced until a "viable" competitor emerges.

JeffJ, you can't possibly be equating wind and solar with turning food into fuel.

Agreed. I am a big proponent of wind farms.

I just signed a lease with E.on Climate renewables for 9 wind turbines on property we have in the Texas panhandle.

Its all good stuff baby!!

JEFFJ...A company man to the bitter end.

Whut do dem so-called "scientists" know, anyway -hyuh?

Dey only been doin' dem' scientimamagicks fer a few decades, hyuh!

Hey, h'yuh, it be right hot 'n deeze parts right'n 'yuh!

Dat'n'lone be un-proven- da' global-warmin' ideer!

Coral reefs? I be only a-need'in a-theyum a-wheyun ah brush-a mah teeth, which's'n only everah bicentennial!

Ah don't be a-trustin' them sceintific'types, with their bunson-a-burners and gradumitated a-cylinders, ay-und sooper-advay-unced 'um-a-degrees!

Eef'in most'a-dem' sci-uhn-teests bee'n uh'n fav'rn'un dayngumn' coral reefs'r'n I'm steadfastly against'n 'um 'dangumn'n librul'n 'n'nonsensecumumum 'vironmental SH'IIT!

#50: nice try, but you are no Tiny Elvis!

TinyElvis? Who's that?

I see that s/he has 63 dumps...could it be one of your sockpuppet accounts to make leftists appear irrational?

Regardless, I don't need to follow anyone whose act has already been banned; do you not have any rejoinder save the ad hominem, ole' Boojiboy???

Tiny Elvis had one of the greatest runs of awesome postings ever.

Maybe they could freeze some of those coral reefs in the same building with Ted Williams frozen head and baseball bat.

Tiny Elvis had one of the greatest runs of awesome postings ever.

#53 | Posted by andyuhenet at 2009-10-26 06:59 PM | Reply | Flag: I second that shit

www.youtube.com

Why should Republicans care about coral reefs when they are very concerned about finding money for their next mortgage payment on their double-wide?

YAWN...

maybe we should contact al bore and see what he thinks.

fucking losers

Bawk Bawk Bawk BaaaaaaaaKAW!!!!!

-Chicken XXXXer

But go to the 3rd world and breeding runs rampant still. Its a question of machismo in so many cultures.

How do we stop this cycle.

#27 | Posted by boojiboy at 2009-10-26 02:56 PM

Education--especially of young breeding age women (ages 15-25), uplift of the standard of living for the same group, both of these things have been shown to slow population growth.

One new idea (that I've actually been working on in a book I am currently writing) would also be to change the way the Current Tax Laws reward people by creating more consumers. If you take America for example, our tax code rewards you for making more consumers...and consumers in turn add--eventually--to the world's population problem and associated calamities...(i.e. urban sprawl, environmental destruction, habitat loss, pollution, etc...)

By changing the tax codes of much of the world--a daunting task yes--but one that the U.N. and other world bodies could push (and actually do something good for a change other than largely pay lip service to the world's problems), one could rapidly start to curtail population growth.

Example: Let's say in America we give a Child Tax Credit of some $500.00 dollars per child. Well of course this induces people to want to have more kids because they get more tax credits (although this is extremely illogical--as it takes on order of $250,000+ to raise a kid to age 18, at least in the U.S.) But if we reversed tax codes around the world, you could quickly begin to remedy the population situation.

Say give a $500.00 refund for the first kid (in the U.S.), and if you want two children, then your tax refund is halved, or you get $250 per child back--still $500.00.

After two children, it should become vastly more expensive to keep having more children. Now you would have to institute fees for those who want to have large families. And it should be a stiff fine, to dramatically curtail population growth, especially amongst the poorest and least educated (those which typically have the largest families)Say for the third child you would have to owe $10,000.00, and double that to $20,000 for the next child, and double for the next child etc...

Not by any means a perfect system, BUT it would accomplish THREE important things.

One: it would force no one to comply. It would not TELL people you can only have X amount of children. If you can afford to pay the fee, you can have more children.

Two: given that most of the dramatic increases in world population are occuring in some of the poorest nations on the earth, the tax would rule out large families for 99% of the people in the very nations that you need to control the population growth in.

And Three: it would generate some income for these nations that they could then invest in education and in raising the standard of living for the peoples in these poor and developing nations. A fact which has also been shown to lower population growth.

Equivalent systems of taxation could be enacted worldwide, costing equivalent amounts of whatever currency the people of that country use.

And on encouraging poor countries to comply with the new tax codes I have an idea on that as well. We, in the relatively rich Western World, could--and probably should--forgive many of these developing nation's national debts as long as they institute fairly strict population control policies along the lines of this tax code change.

Not a pretty solution, surely. But neither is watching millions of kids starving to death and dying of disease. Unfortunately, this is EXACTLY where we are shortly headed with world population set to crest 7 billion in next 2 years, and 8 billion in 10-20 years after that.

Population growth must be curtailed now, or the problems we see in the environment today, will be nothing compared to the dramatic collapse of ecosystems in the future. We, unfortunately, are just at the beginning of this...


"You can smoke for 40 years and not develop lung cancer. So why does my doctor tell me to quit smoking?"
because treating COPD costs $400.00 per month!

you may not get lung cancer but you have 85% chance of getting COPD, which makes you very handcapped. The righties told you ***smoking not harmfull, what do they say about COPD?
www.nhlbi.nih.gov


***righties are scientific illiterates!

"Education--especially of young breeding age women (ages 15-25), uplift of the standard of living for the same group, both of these things have been shown to slow population growth. "

A good read I've just started.
"Sex and War: How Biology Explains Warfare and Terrorism and Offers a Path to a Safer World"
www.amazon.com

Oh boy! A new "crisis." I was wondering when the left "scientists" would put some new bullshit out there.
Suspend the Constitution! Raise taxes! World government now to face this "emergency."

#63 | Posted by Diablo at 2009-10-27 09:12 AM | Reply | Flag: failed marine biology

Indonesia, is home to a third of the world's total corals and a quarter of its fish species, nearly 33,000 square miles (85,000 km2). Indonesia's coral reefs are located in the heart of the Coral Triangle and have fallen victim to destructive fishing, unregulated tourism, and bleaching due to climatic changes. Data from 414 reef monitoring stations in 2000 found that only 6% are in excellent condition, while 24% are in good condition, and approximately 70% are in poor to fair condition (2003 The Johns Hopkins University).

On September 24, 2007, Reef Check (the world's largest reef conservation organization) stated that only 5% of Philippines 27,000 square-kilometers of coral reef are in "excellent condition": Tubbataha Reef, Marine Park in Palawan, Apo Island in Negros Oriental, Apo Reef in Puerto Galera, Mindoro, and Verde Island Passage off Batangas. Philippine coral reefs is second largest in Asia.[45]

General estimates show approximately 10% world's coral reefs are already dead.[36][46][47]

Funny thing fer Spud is how so many rtards on here remain firmly convinced that Global Warming is a hoax but that Obama's "dangerous, radical socialism" is a given.

Be Well.

Oh boy! A new "crisis." I was wondering when the left "scientists" would put some new bullshit out there. Suspend the Constitution! Raise taxes! World government now to face this "emergency."

#63 | Posted by Diablo at 2009-10-27 09:12 AM | Reply | Flag: also failed simple logic it seems...

I love the leaps of "illogic?" of the U.S. (suspending the constitution?), and raising taxes.

fyi...collecting taxes is what the government does, how do u think they pay for your roads, schools, etc...and yes, sometimes taxes go up, and sometimes
taxes go down or stay the same.

How about, stop whining that you pay taxes like the rest of us, and just like, pay your taxes like the rest of us? It's an evil, but a necessary evil.

As for Rightie exclamatory remarks as to "suspending the constitution", this is simple
inflamatory rhetoric with zero basis in fact, uttered again and again by the Right to incite mob rule and panic of the masses. Only stupid people
follow such mindless garbage.

Not a Teabagger, are u Diablo?

#60 | Posted by earthmuse at 2009-10-27 06:57 AM | Reply | Flag: EUGENICS IS GREAT!

"I grew up in a typical Irish Catholic mob in the baby boomer years (6 kids). I remember back in the mid sixties talking to my folks about how families cant continue to do that.Out of those 6 kids, we only produced 8 grandkids. So 1.5 to one on that generation.
But go to the 3rd world and breeding runs rampant still. Its a question of machismo in so many cultures.
How do we stop this cycle."

Have more children so Western Civilization survives. Those third worlders are going to rule us. Number do not lie.

This is a shame. I remember scuba diving and snorkeling on the reefs back home, and taking home nice big chunks of coral to decorate my house. Now, a lot of these coral reefs are gone.

The Little Ice Age of the early to mid 1800's occured at the same time as the Maunder Minimum... a time when there were practically NO sunspots. Then... as that giant ball of plasma began to increase in ativity, so did global temperatures.

Now if you take a look a the charts in the link below (and last I checked, NASA wan't a right wing org.) you'll see something very interesting. Also note it was last updated this month of this year.

solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov

Do you see it??

That's right... in the late 90's and yearly years of 2000, sunspot activity was at a peak. The SAME years used by Gore to display a crisis waiting to happen. Look further please...

Do you see that as the activity has decreased so have the temperatures during the last few years?

Hmm... I'd say that simple bit of information is rather telling dontcha think?

Lastly... please don't get me wrong. I believe in being a steward of the Earth by reducing pollution through the use of cleaner technology; however, I'm not going to destroy a nations economy over something that's been turned into a political issue to get votes and raise taxes through fear mongering. ESPECIALLY if we're the only nation to adhere to such regulations.

Global Warmers... you're being duped... so says the evidence from NASA.

PS. That represents about 25% of the argument against Man-Made Global Warming... the other 75% isn't really necessary in my opinion.

Sorry... one other thing to note... if you actually click on the chart it will show you two others. The one at the top will confirm the Maunder Minimum coincides with the beginning of the Little Ice Age.

Oh... one other thought... how did they get out of the Little Ice Age without driving Hummers and flying in Jets? That one always puzzled me.

Everything has cause and effect treadonme. Man made pollution is just part of the problem. The reef's biggest problem is man made too. Here's a quote to show you why.."This is a shame. I remember scuba diving and snorkeling on the reefs back home, and taking home nice big chunks of coral to decorate my house. Now, a lot of these coral reefs are gone."

Sound familiar?

It's called the law of unintended consequences. Too bad this fool never learned anything from the lesson.

Oh, and BTW...you are wrong about the temperature in the past few years. It's still going up. You just have to plot it long enough. Trends are based on linear plots, not year to year data, but I can see you are no scientist either.

It was a joke dumbass.

I'm going to be having a lot more fun with you.

It was a joke dumbass.

Don't piss down my leg asshole. Just keep pissin' down your own.

Republican's don't have a sense of humor, but they sure are easy to laugh at, aren't they?

Republican's don't have a sense of humor...

Republican's what doesn't have a sense of humor?

Republican's what doesn't have a sense of humor?

See. That's exactly what what I mean, but I'll humor you anyway Goat roper. Ha Ha Ha.

See. That's exactly what what I mean, but I'll humor you anyway Goat roper. Ha Ha Ha.

You must be a republican, then.

You said "Republican's" -- possessive. I asked, "Republican's what, as in what do the Republicans possess?

You missed the joke (and punctuation)

Better luck next time.

You missed the joke (and punctuation)

Better luck next time.

No, Goaty, I just don't think spoonerism is funny, except maybe to a 6 year old.

Ringmaster... here is another link for a chart up through March of this year...

www.drroyspencer.com

Please tell me where I'm wrong. As you can see... from 98 and really 2005(last few years), temps have been going down. Understand that I'm not about to make the statement of an "overall downward trend" as you imply. I just simply stated that the last few years have been rather mild.

I'm not going to resort to name calling here... I've fallen into that trap and will try to avoid it from now on... so I'm simply going to ask you why you won't answer to the facts?

* Sunspot activity and global temperature tend to mirror each other?
* We warmed up somehow from the Little Ice Age. What caused that warming and why can it not be related to today?

I'm an openminded guy... I just think that when you look at that chart and you see the obvious anomaly for 98... and it just so happens that's when politicians jump on the Warming Bandwagon... it wreaks of political exploitation by the left and not science. After all... in the 70's, it was all about Global Cooling.

Let's keep the name calling to those stuck in the 2nd grade... instead I'd like to have an adult conversation on one of these threads for once.

No, Goaty, I just don't think spoonerism is funny, except maybe to a 6 year old.

???

Whatk spoonerism? I didn't see one in this thread.

That aside, the fact you don't care for spoonerisms means no republicans have a sense of humor?

I don't understand tht logic. Explain, please. Thanks

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Please tell me where I'm wrong. As you can see... from 98 and really 2005(last few years), temps have been going down.

No problem treadonme... draw a straight line from the beginning of the chart to the end. That's called a linear plot. The up and down curves of the line shown is called a dynamic plot. Because there is many factors influencing the climate (including the sun's activity and the Milankovich cycles) the annual temperature always varies up or down. Take another look at that plot. What does the last measurement show? In fact, the entire 30 period that the cart depicts shows an upward trend that finds it's highest peak in El Nino years. That is happening again this year and the sudden rise this year shows it.

Don't be fooled by people that think a few years up or down indicates a trend. These are the same fools that lost their shorts in the stock market. Climate trends are measured in centuries and millenniums, not what the weather looks like today like so many fools here seem to think.

No, Goaty, I just don't think spoonerism is funny, except maybe to a 6 year old.

You don't think the Spoonerization of a Dicken's novel is funny? "A Sale of Two Titties"

Whatk spoonerism? I didn't see one in this thread.

OK, so it's a typo. About a funny as yours. Ha Ha Ha.

You spelled spoonerism correctly. I just didn't see one in this thread up to that point. Where is it?

Actually I prefer a good oxymoron like 'compassionate conservative' or 'military intelligence'. One of my favorite is 'Texas style'.

One of my favorite is 'Texas style'.

???

How is that an oxymoron?

How is that an oxymoron?

Style has more than one meaning.

Think of the word "stylish" and his meaning becomes clear.

Texas + style? You don't get it? Oh forget it. Go back to your Lone Star that tastes like horse piss. You can't argue about class with a Texan.

Texas Style

He didn't know what a spoonerism was and misused that word. It apprears he doesn't know what an oxymoron is, either.

You need to brush up on your literary device lingo, ringo.

Ringmaster,

It cuts both ways.

For example:

"Texas-style Bar-b-que"

In that instance, "style" has a completely different meaning.

Texas does great beef brisket - dry rub and no sauce.

Texas + style? You don't get it

No.

Our BBQ is unique and it is Texas Style. There is a type of dancing called Texas style. There is certain clothing called Texas style,

As I said, just as you didn't know what a spoonerism is, you seem to not know what an oxymoron is either. Every region or state has their own way, or style, of doing things -- even Texas.

Go back to your Lone Star that tastes like horse piss

I don't like Lone Star. It tastes like piss.

Stereotype much, ringo? LOL

You can't argue about class with a Texan.

Clearly. You are simply outclassed. LOL

Don't get you pantaloons (or is it long johns you wear) in a wad goat. I'm only joking around too.

Don't get you pantaloons (or is it long johns you wear) in a wad goat.

Don't worry. It takes a lot more than that to get me riled up. It's only happened a couple of times in my life. In fact, my wife used to get so frustrated at me because I wouldn't get riled up no matter how hard she tried.

So trust me -- You're far from doing it.

Man, unseasonably cold this week in Michigan again-- the last two years have been cold-- one of my neighbors swore yesterday, he saw one of those extinct polar bears by his back door. They must be moving south.

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