The big question is WHY!

Does anyone realize the sweeping authority garnered by such a declaration? First, there are many states that have passed legislation that is triggered based on such a declaration.

Second, what draconian Federal powers are automatically authorized, at gunpoint if necessary:

The power to force mandatory swine flu vaccinations on the entire population.

The power to arrest, quarantine or "involuntarily transport" anyone who refuses a swine flu vaccination.

The power to quarantine an entire city and halt all travel in or out of that city.

The power to enter any home or office without a search warrant and order the destruction of any belongings or structures deemed to be a threat to public health.

The effective nullification of the Bill of Rights. Your right to due process, to being safe from government search and seizure, and to remain silent to avoid self-incrimination are all null and void under a Presidential declaration of a national emergency.

Absent all of that, there is serious question to the "emergency" that exists. Now even CBS has published such an article questioning the overblown hype.

A three-month-long investigation by CBS News, released earlier this week that included state-by-state test results, revealed some very different facts. The CBS study found that H1N1 flu cases are NOT as prevalent as feared. A CBS article even states:

"If you've been diagnosed "probable" or "presumed" 2009 H1N1 or "swine flu" in recent months, you may be surprised to know this: odds are you didn't have H1N1 flu. In fact, you probably didn't have flu at all."

CBS reports that in late July 2009 the CDC advised states to STOP testing for H1N1 flu, and they also stopped counting individual cases. Their rationale for this, according to CBS News, was that it was a waste of resources to test for H1N1 flu because it was already confirmed as an epidemic.

So just like that virtually every person who visited their physician with flu-like symptoms since late July was assumed to have H1N1, with no testing necessary because, after all, there's an epidemic.

More valid questions were also raised:

The number of people killed by swine flu in the United States is far smaller than the number of people killed each year from seasonal flu, according to CDC's own statistics. People obviously aren't dropping dead by the millions from H1N1 influenza. Most people are just getting mild flu symptoms and a few days later they're fine.

The only clear emergency is the one fabricated by Big Pharma to sell more vaccines. By declaring a national emergency over the H1N1 pandemic, Obama would be playing right into their hands.

The timing of all this is very curious as well. Two days ago, New York gave up on its efforts to require mandatory vaccinations of health care workers. This was designed to defuse a large number of planned protests from health freedom-conscious people who don't stand for the government to mandate chemicals to be pumped into their veins.

#12 klifferd
I'm more worried about what girl to hang with then being held at gunpoint by my government.

I'll let you point out your own ignorance.

Get educated. Read the laws involved. Nobody is saying that is what is GOING to happen, just that it is legally authorized.

@23 FEEL
but not so with the Chemtrails designed to spue out the chemicals that may possibly be H1N1 and only they know what else, to infect any of the populations of the world, of course that is nothing new that everyone else does not know

yes, chemtrails for weather modification are now well-known as many stories have come out recently -- including the Moscow mayor promising no snow this winter -- but, what is not common-knowledge is the link between chemtrails and h1n1. Do you have any link that can back that up?

#29 ny'er

I'm glad you're amused. Time to get over yourself and get real. If you're referring to my post, nowhere did I give a basis for "socialism hysteria". The hysteria is just as egregious under GWB that brought the Patriot Act, as you point out.

If you can wake up from your kool-aid false left-right crap, you can realize you were on to something. If it was terrible under GWB, it just as terrible now! Or doesn't it matter now, kool-aid drinker?

#30 danni

Wrong. We aren't "turning anything into a power grab". The draconian laws do that for themselves. His declaration of emergency is based on what exactly? Apparently you have answers to all the posted questions as to why it is an emergency. You haven't yet posted them.

#57 ny'er

Instead of addressing the point that you are replying to, you still brainlessly make it into a left-right issue. Apparently the answer to my last question that you replied to is, Yes, it doesn't matter any more because I'm just a leftist koolaid drinker.

My gosh the hypocrisy is stunning. I'm referring the exchange between reporters and Gibbs on the first daughters not getting vaccinated. Good analysis here:

[Note the carefully constructed PASSIVE phrase by the White House: "the vaccine is not available to them," as opposed to say, a more PROACTIVE and ACCURATE phrase: "have decided not to vaccinate." Why? Because the latter phrase would prompt people to ask why the First Family is withholding consent to vaccinate, while the former makes it falsely appear like the decision not to vaccinate was imposed on Obama. Personally, I've heard thousands of parents refer to their decision not to vaccinate their children. But I've never once heard anyone explain that the "vaccine was not available to them." Does anyone believe a vaccine would not be made "available" to the President's own children?!]

wow i just watched the video. It's even worse than that:

particular Children with underlying neurological vulnerabilities

Did anyone pick up on this part? Could he be this mis-informed as President or is it something else?

#67 lackofsense
The President authorized extra pre-cautions to squelch the spread of the virus?

dear Johnnycomelately,
did you bother reading near the top of the discussion? Do you have the answers?

"squelch the spread of the virus".

First, how does a declaration do that? Second, you clearly aren't aware of the FluMist risk:

"Doctors and hospitals are expressing concern that the FluMist vaccine could endanger people because it contains live H1N1 virus, unlike the injectable shot that contains antibodies. With no less than 60 per cent of the U.S. population immunodeficient in one way or another, could FluMist be a pandemic waiting to happen?

Hospitals in Colorado and elsewhere are shunning the FluMist H1N1 vaccine, a nasal spray that contains live swine flu virus, because of fears it could infect people with weakened immune systems and underlying health conditions.

"Several metro area hospitals said they won't be taking the FluMist because they don't want to endanger patients," reports TheDenverChannel.com.

Lois VanFleet, infection prevention specialist at Exempla Good Samaritan Medical Center in Lafayette, expressed concern that doctors and nurses who inhaled the live virus could infect patients whose immune systems are compromised.

However, H1N1 FluMist is being rolled out nationwide from this week, including at "drive-through clinics" across the country where the nasal spray is administered while people sit in their cars with their window wide open (see top picture).

The live virus contained in the nasal spray is weakened but it can be transmitted from person to person for up to three weeks."

#71 stirs
fyi:

Virtually everyone who is exposed to H1N1 generates their own antibodies and cures themselves naturally. According to hospital reports, those who have died from the H1N1 virus are almost exclusively people who were already suffering from preexisting conditions that compromised their health such as asthma or extreme obesity.

We have been in WHO Pandemic Level 6 since May! And they now admit that they WILL NOT lower the pandemic level for years!

If the CDC does not fully explain the basis for the so-called emergency, that only fuels the well-founded concerns of the motivation of such a declaration.

-as the media has been fearmongering with all the stories of supposed h1n1 deaths (which they have to admit there were underlying health issues in vast manority of these);

-as the public is not buying the need or desire to take the vaccines (70%+);

as the media falsely fearmongers that there is such a shortage of supply of such vaccines;

as the NY health authorities were forced to back down from required vaccination of health care workers;

At a minimum, A declaration is next step to convince the public (at least those few still on the fence) to take the untested, dangerous, unnecessary vaccination.

Although authorized by the declaration, we sure as h*11 don't need FEE-MA involved in this!

#80 JPW!

if it's not the fraudster himself, jpw back on the scene --and on the attack too!

Virtually everyone who is exposed to H1N1 generates their own antibodies and cures themselves naturally.

Not virtually everyone, dumb fuck, EVERYONE. What do you think your immune system does when it responds?

Apparently we all gave you too much credit for your supposed knowledge of the topic. The quote stated was "virtually", most likely because some people are not able to produce any antibodies in order to cure themselves. i.e. Perhaps hemophiliacs and other pre-existing auto-immune diseases patients.

Besides, you decide to come in here at #80, not even reading all the questions and concerns that were raised at the top of the conv.

You should probably quit now-- when you attack semantics, and still don't get it right!

Let's not have a re-visit of former conversations!

#80 | Posted by jpw at 2009-10-26 09:16 PM | Reply | Flag: offensive language, non-becoming of a so-called expert.

#79 stirs
I called a nurse I know who works in a lab this afternoon to ask her about this. Most DR offices can only test for influenza A or B. To know for sure they have to send it to a lab. H1N1 and the seasonal flu are both positive for influenza A. They say it's too early for the Seasonal flu virus so all suspected or verified influenza A cases are reported as H1N1.

They quit determining if it actually was h1n1 back in May when WHO declared a full pandemic and directed health facilities to quit reporting on it. Symptoms like the flu are assumed to be h1n1. How screwed up is that!

#83 | Posted by jpw at 2009-10-26 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag: Paid to shill for big pharma.

jpw, they're all calling you out now. time to retire your 'shilldom'

#82 jpw
you're totally transparent. Now he's attacking the grammatical form of the anti-vaccine movement's quotes!

#80 jpw
Doctors are being forced to report regular flu as being swine flu.

And why is that? Look up to #88.

#92 jpw
you've been identified as 'shill'. You've also been called out on multiple conv on your fraudulent source(s). who's gonna keep reading you now? With your professional response "oh boo hoo you p*sy" and other language that shows your true colors. A frustrated shill can only revert to abusive language!

stop wasting our time. the game's over!

#92,95 jpw

Besides, you decide to come in here at #80, not even reading all the questions and concerns that were raised at the top of the conv.

I read it. Same shit, different day.

Wrong again. None of the questions raised above has anything to do with the vaccine science, as you assumed. Clearly you did not read it as you stated.

you've been identified as 'shill'.
Identified by who, Ray? Yourself? LOL

-How about 70+% of the public that have some common sense and is on to the whole scam?

-How about even a few in the media that can no longer by conscience spout the propaganda!.... "Such double standards [Shortage lie; It's not available to them; I'll stand in line and wait my turn] have led media pundits to call for Obama to get his daughters vaccinated on live television, in an effort to encourage [the 70% common-sensical] American parents to do the same for their kids."

Oops. Can't do that. They'll have to find other propaganda means!

You called me on linking to respectful insolence, a blog that I admitted wasn't a very good source. Care to list any other "fraudulent" sources I've linked?