Here we go again...

Another thread where the pot heads tell us their drug of choice should be legal.

Sure...pot can be fun and great way to medicate away the pressures of life.

But...one thing it ain't is harmless.

Null,

I don't smoke anything.

I drink alcohol some, but not a great deal.

I love coffee...(I guess that's my drug of choice)

I'm not a moron.

I'm don't watch a lot of tv (except for stuff I record on my dvr...like the history channel, etc)..and I enjoy movies.

I am on the Internet a lot. It's terrific.

btw...dragging out the medical uses of pot is soooooo lame.

Face it...pot is just bad for you.

Unlike other drugs that mess up your life quickly, pot causes a S L O W deterioration of your mind, your personality, your thinking processes, your value system, good judgement, etc.

And it goes downhill from there.

Drug addicts spend way too much time figuring out how they're going to get their next fix. Drug addiction takes over your life. Buying it, hiding it, using it.

Oh...that's right....pot's not addictive.

HAHAHA....riiiiiight.

I understood I was responding to more than 1 poster.

I am sure there are some people who benefit from using pot.

However, using "medical uses" as some reason to legalize pot is just pure unadulterated horse shit.

Look at the ridiculous number of pot pharmacies that have opened in California the last couple of years.

What a joke! How stupid does one have to be to know this is just a load of bunk and most of those people are using it for recreational uses?

Just admit it.

Pot-heads are incapable of dealing with the day to day issues of life without pot.

Many like to think of it as an alternative depression medicine. Regardless, it's a crutch.

If we didn't live in such a screwed up culture that teaches sad pathetic values and rewards childish behavior, we might not be in such a state that people need to use drugs to escape reality.

Many parents have nothing to offer their children in the way of decent values, wholesome living, good examples, etc.

Alcoholism, drug use, childish values, and on and on.

Come on...face the truth.

On the flip side, I can think of advantages of legalizing pot. However, I would expect it to be tightly controlled and I would want to see strict enforcement of laws.

DUI means you lose your license to drive, etc.

Smoke at home....stay at home if you're high.

Tao,

I sympathise your with situation.

MS is not an easy thing to live with, I am sure.

However, does pot improve your MS or does it simply dull the emotional pain and the anxiety associated with living with MS?

I don't see how you can claim to use pot for medical purposes.

Sure...considering what you're going through, I'm sure you appreciate anything to get your mind off of it.

How about contacting your local city council and asking them to send over some hookers (of your preference) each day...you know...to help you relieve some tension?

Isn't that just about the same thing?

(no offense meant)

Null,

I'm no fool.

I just don't rationalize drug use. I guess I don't need to.

I've seen the damage it causes.

I thought we were talking about MS? I've never seen pot recommended to fight MS.

Cancer is a different topic. Pot has been deemed helpful for people taking chemo.

I hope I'll never have to find out.

My point was people keeping desperately trying to defend pot and use the magical "medical purposes" phrase when there are very few legitimate instances where doctors would agree pot is beneficial.

Pot definitely helps a person cope with pain and anxiety, but can you actually say it's helping with the illness itself. Isn't it really just a mask in most cases?

Sure...alcohol and drugs have been around since recorded history.

But I don't think anyone would ever say it's been beneficial to mankind.

Btw...

What wrong with the Internet?

You are aware there's more on the Internet than just porn?

Right?

my last question should have been directed at Jerry.

Snoofy,

I am very sympathetic about people with cancer.

However, that is a strawman.

I am not interested in discussing the care of the sick or dying.

At this very moment, there are millions of people stoned in the US.

About what percentage of them do you suppose are using it because they have a medically connected illness that is being assisted by THC? Come on...join reality and stop trying to justify your drug habit.

Again...I can see the advantages of legalizing pot. I could make you a list of reasons. I can see both sides.

However, I would encourage drug testing on any job where someone high could possibly cause problems or put other people at risk. (it's an employer's obligation).

And I would expect the police to do their jobs and find a way to keep stoned people off the roads.

Jerry,

You are correct.

I have worked hard at "self-improvement". I had a long road to travel.

However, at no point have I tried to change anyone other than myself.

But...I will not justify drug use for anyone.

Medical purposes that can be defended is another story.

Timex,

I think we've tried prohibition.

I thought I made it clear I see some advantages of legalizing pot.

For one thing, people might more easily feel free to ask for help getting off of it.

I'm not so much in favor of banning, as I am tightly controlling.

Pot heads wouldn't like my version of legalized pot.

Snoofy,

Let's forget the legal aspects of pot, or controlling access to it.

Let's just talk about one thing.

Is pot good for you?

From what I've seen, it's a habit that starts early and may not advance to harder drugs. Frequently it doesn't.

However, most of the people I have known who smoke it with regularity live below their potential. Currently, studies indicate pot use can be associated with mental issues, and from what I've seen, I would have to agree.

Null,

Yea...I know...anything that gets in the way of letting you do whatever you want is "totalitarian control".

Tyger,

All the research in the world about Windows 7 wouldn't make an Apple fan give up his computer and get a real one. (had to throw that in).

The same goes for pot.

Of course I've read articles. And I've had conversations with professionals.

Contrary to what you think about me, I am well aware that I have limited exposure and I am biased.

But I do have good manners and would not consider calling anyone stupid, even when they are.

btw...Bill Maher is your poster boy for pot?

hahahahaha....

"No, Mr. Bircher, I'm just not a propertarian who prays at the Church of Gold"

interpretation...

"I don't have a pot to piss in".

Tao,

Sorry...I didn't ignore you on purpose.

It's just that I can only take you at your word that using pot helps with your MS symptoms.

Medical benefits of pot is very hard to proof.

Like most medications, doctors have to take someone's word for it.

"yea...that drug makes me feel better...or...no...I'm not feeling any benefit".

My bitch is that THC used for medical purposes is frequently given in a form that doesn't make you stoned. But...I don't think that's really the goal...now is it?

The goal is the buzzzzzz (oh...and it helps my nervous condition, too)

Would you consider it adequate to receive THC in a form where you didn't get high?

Mental illness and marijuana use is being studied. It's the old chicken and the egg routine. Which came first?

Personally, I suspect a LOT of people are susceptible to mental issues at some point in their life. Without a support network of friends and family, life can be overwhelming.

One of the things affected by pot is your frontal lobe of your brain. I'm not going to post links. You can google it.

The frontal lobe is directly associated with judgment and risk taking. I've personally observed oddly high risk behavior in pot users.

Also, I've noticed it changes personalities over time and people's value systems deteriorate.

Studies have linked pot and schizophrenic symptoms. We all know pot makes you paranoid. All this is connected somehow, from what I've read.

Gotta run to Walmart....later.

Larry,

"Smokers think they are the shit and condemn other forms of addiction. Why is that?? "

Because pot alters reality...they live in their own made up world. Some of the made up stuff is good and some of it is bad. Regardless, the person you're communicating with isn't the "real" person. It's a drug created identity. Then again...a lot of people don't like the real person inside...so we drug them instead of loving them....sad ain't it.

Jerry,

I am responding to people.

They post and then ask for a response.

That's how it works here.

Tao,

I guess the bigger question is, are either of these drugs being used to treat the disease?

Granted, these days doctors will give out pain killers like candy, but is that really part of a cure or just a way to appease the patient?

I can't say I have enough experience to compare the 2 drugs you mentioned. In your particular case, medical marijuana could very well be defendable.

On the lighter side, I can well imagine you have no shortage of friends visiting you.

Tao,

Sounds tough to deal with....

Didn't mean to sound so insensitive.

Tao,

I'll assume.

You're not stuck in a wheel chair.

You can see.

You can hear.

You're not bed ridden.

You have a place to live.

Things can get worse.

Null,

"He's a self-righteous, sanctimonious, judgmental, hypocritical, holier-than-thou, bible-thumping repressive, puritanical control freak."

Something tells me you say that about anyone who you disagree with.

I read your list.

So many of those things just don't apply to me. You couldn't have been reading my posts.

So...that means you just use those words freely all the time.