Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

The New York Times reports that last month, senior White House adviser David Axelrod and Fox News chief executive Roger Ailes met secretly to defuse tensions between the Obama administration and the network. So much for that. There's now open combat between presidential aides and Fox. "We simply decided to stop abiding by the fiction, which is aided and abetted by the mainstream press, that Fox is a traditional news organization," said Dan Pfeiffer, the deputy White House communications director.

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FTA: Speaking privately at the White House on Monday with a group of mostly liberal columnists and commentators, including Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann of MSNBC and Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich and Bob Herbert of The New York Times, Mr. Obama himself gave vent to sentiments about the network, according to people briefed on the conversation.

Then, in an interview with NBC News on Wednesday, the president went public. "What our advisers have simply said is that we are going to take media as it comes," he said. "And if media is operating, basically, as a talk radio format, then that's one thing. And if it's operating as a news outlet, then that's another."

While Spud agrees that doing things like trying to exclude FAUXnewsmen from the daily WH news pool has backfired quite spectacularily Spud also holds that punishing FOX by not going on Wallace's Sunday show is a legitimate tactic to take against of the odious tactics of the unofficial propaganda arm of the GOP here.

The pool thing was dumb because when you are dealing with the people most likely to make a story about themselves in ithe first place and you then give them a legitimate reason to make themselves the story you are playing right into their hands.

That all sed, noting these folks propensity for making mountains outta molehills and playing the martyr card incessently there is also a lesser risk of a similarly counter productive end with the Wallace boycott thingy.

"We simply decided to stop abiding by the fiction, which is aided and abetted by the mainstream press, that Fox is a traditional news organization," said Dan Pfeiffer, the deputy White House communications director.

Openly chiding people who's business it is to chide you is a mug's game.

Like fucking with the people who bring you yer food.

That sed, Pfieffers right here.

He's just wrong to note it publicaly.

Be Well.

Should read "tete a tete" up there.

Be Well.

/Outro
stage left.

Maybe every time Letterman or Leno makes a joke, their networks should be construed as no longer a news organization either.

The fact that this dumbass White House can't tell the difference between Fox News and the talking heads that come on later is telling.

Anything to distract libbies' from Obama's policies, though. That's what's really happening.

Anything to distract libbies' from Obama's policies, though. That's what's really happening.

#3 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-10-23 10:25 AM | Reply | Flag: Watches Glenn Beck

Nope. Don't watch TV at all unless it's Scrubs, Family Guy, History Channel, or Discovery. Never watched Glen Beck or O'Reily, and I have XM, which means I couldn't listen to Rush if I wanted to.

Funny how libbies just assume that I'm incapable of being snarky on my own. I know you get all your talkings points from Olberman and Air America, but you shouldn't assume it of everyone else.

Righttttt...can you say hypocrite?

Sure. Can you tell me three things you think Obama is dead wrong about?

????

This is what I was referring to...."I know you get all your talkings points from Olberman and Air America, but you shouldn't assume it of everyone else."

Fox News has newscasts and they have commentary programs. The programs that the Obama people are referring to are commentary programs. Anyone with a brain that watches Fox News knows this. What Obama truly is pissed about is Fox News does not cow down and kiss his ass like the mainstream media does. Obama is so pathetic as a president that it is not even funny!

Sure. Can you tell me three things you think Obama is dead wrong about?

1) That conservatives were willing to put aside their ideology and work in the spirit of bi-partisanship for the good of the country.

2) He underestimated the economic mess that was left for him by his predecessor.

3) He thinks the Bulls have a shot at winning the NBA title this year.

"Maybe every time Letterman or Leno makes a joke, their networks should be construed as no longer a news organization either."

When Leno or Letterman start pretending to have a news show, get back to us. Or admit that FOX because of the Simpsons and Family Guy jokes isn't a news organization either.
###
"Anyone with a brain that watches Fox News"

That would be an oxymoron.

FOX news is simply a way for all those itchin for an ol' tyme lynchin to get their virtual mob rocks off....

Excellent post REALPATRIOT!

Yes. The WH should continue on its course in trying to marginalize FOX news by proclamation, and further its attempts to exclude FOX in press pool activities.

Soon, it should propose governmental ownership of some media outlets under the guise of "helping" the dying newspapers. They can then control editorial content.

It's a good game plan which I hope and pray they attempt to execute.

"Anyone with a brain that watches Fox News knows this"

so you're saying that no one who watches FOX knows, right?

Doesn't the White House have more important things they should doing?

I disagree with part of the popular take on this issue. Fox pundits say that when Obama and co belly-ache about Fox News publicly, it causes more people to watch Fox and agree with them. I think it just causes more people to watch Fox. I watch Fox all the time to see what nonsense is coming out of Hannity, Beck, and to a lesser degree, O'Reilly's shows. It's entertaining to see the crazies spout off their biased, simplistic views of the universe (same goes for Olberman and Maddow).

"Doesn't the White House have more important things they should doing?"

well, they could get hummers in the oval office or start a needless war with a third world nation, but those things have been done recently

all the origina ideas have been taken dammit!

I can wait this out another year.
2010 will be amusing.

Am I forgetting, but Bush wasn't such a whiner, was he?

all the origina ideas have been taken dammit!

He could stick his nose into the Olympics or a college football playoff system..

oh wait..

perhaps you are right....no original ideas left.

all the origina ideas have been taken dammit!

----

Apparently so. One propaganda machine (White House press) calling out another propaganda machine (Fox News).

Or we could bring up Bush's fault cause we all know that's original.

"Am I forgetting, but Bush wasn't such a whiner, was he?"

no, but his administration ruined our world standing and set up the scenario for a goof like obama to be elected.


I remember when I was a communist in college; I'd watch Rush Limbaugh's show before Letterman at midnight and mock and try to pick Limbaugh to pieces.

I just finished listening to Richards Dawkins for the better part of an hour.

Don't any of you liberals listen to the "other side?"

It should be EASY to pick error apart--a much preferable strategery than running and hiding from Fox!

#11 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-10-23 01:55 PM | Reply | Flag: The stupid runs strong in me.

Northgay3. - Is the Today show a news program?

O'reilly, Beck, Greta and Hannity have NEVER claimed to be news programs and all hosts of said programs have stated as such multiple times.

As usual, the left uses false branding to distract from the failures and inaction of its own.

Nerfherder,
That may be, but is Obama really changing how the rest of the world sees us (much less while keeping us safe)?

I sort of agree with what the french fry said above.

This is good for Fox News.


Other than that, Obama treats his domestic adversaries with malice, but he goes around to foreign adversaries and begs and kisses ass.

Funny.

The move by this administration is unprecedented-- even Nixon didn't go to the lengths of this crew. People write that we're becoming a bannana republic due to our debt and printing of money. Another example of a bannana republic is the political side when those in power attempt to ultimately control the press ala Chavez and Venezuela. I have a feeling that other news services won't be the syncophants for Obama in the future as they were in the campaign to help him get elected. This recent move (even for their liberal leanings) must send a shiver up their spines.

I think the fact that people are talking about whether or not Fox is an honest outlet for news undercuts their credibility because it call it into doubt. Many people, not bloggers here, have watched Fox for years and never even questioned whether or not they slant the news, now, because the question is being brought up all over the place, some of them will. I just don't see how this is a boost for Fox in the long run. A news broadcast's number one asset is its credibility, if that is put into doubt it is hard to ever get it back. I think the Republicans did the same thing back in the sixties when they pretty much sold the idea that it was "the liberal news media." Now Obama is trying to do the same thing back to Fox.

"The move by this administration is unprecedented-- even Nixon didn't go to the lengths of this crew."

You're nuts. They actually had an enemies list, they actually broke into offices, etc.

www.foxnews.com

Seems even the libtards in the press don't agree with the libshits on the DR on this issue.

"That may be, but is Obama really changing how the rest of the world sees us"

no. why bother? obama might have made a difference on the world stage if he was elected forty years ago, when idealism in this country was at its high point and people around the world had a generally positive view of the USA, but not now, not no more, not no more forever.

"I'm really cheered by the other members saying "No, if Fox can't be part of it, we won't be part of it,'" said Baltimore Sun TV critic David Zurawik, calling the move to limit Feinberg's availability "outrageous."

"What it's really about to me is the Executive Branch of the government trying to tell the press how it should behave. I mean, this democracy -- we know this -- only works with a free and unfettered press to provide information," he said.

You're nuts. They actually had an enemies list, they actually broke into offices, etc.

Please, Obama would have to be a retard to NOT have an enemies list.

Nixon broke into an office?

Sure. Can you tell me three things you think Obama is dead wrong about?
1) That conservatives were willing to put aside their ideology and work in the spirit of bi-partisanship for the good of the country.
2) He underestimated the economic mess that was left for him by his predecessor.
3) He thinks the Bulls have a shot at winning the NBA title this year.
#10 Posted by real parrot.
1) If they are going to put aside their ideology, why are they there? They were elected by their constituents to bring those beliefs to Washington. It seems that the Libs have lost the definition of bi-partisan. Both sides need to give a little to get a little.
2) When does the previous administrations problem become the current administrations problem? When they take the oath. By your way of thinking it real was George's mess, George Washington.
3) Don't know or care about pro sports, but maybe the pay czar needs to take a look into the players salaries.

fox vs white house:

one corporate-controlled entity vs. another....

like pepsi vs. coke-- they do not harm one another, they only solidify their hold on the loyalty of segments of the american populace.

The government has decided that it needs to insert itself into industries where it dislikes the state of that industry (i.e. health insurance). Does anyone else foresee a national takeover of news organizations under the guise of a "bailout" that would eventually lead to a "3N" channel (National News Network) that is run by the government? And can you foresee Obama defending it by saying that people are currently not getting the "real story" because of media outlets like Fox?

At least most Fox shows have debates with both a lib and a concervative. I don't think MSNBC or CNN can say the same.

" I don't think MSNBC or CNN can say the same."

Then you haven't ever watched any, they do it all the time.

If Obama attacks Fox for bias then Fox tries to fight back at Obama they just look biased. It is sort of a Catch 22.

yeah this is gonna help his downward spiraling poll numbers....what is wrong with him, using bully tactics, threatening people, industry, and media for opposing him? yeah nice move genius.

It is sort of a Catch 22.

#39 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-23 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Kind of like you and trickle down economics right DUMMI? Without it, you would probably be in a ditch with Sally Struthers standing over you offering a bowl of mush but would have nothing to attack Reagan with. With it, you can have a job with competitive wages and benefits but must credit Regan for 30 years of prosperity.

"Excellent post REALPATRIOT!"

Not really, if you can't think of three real mistakes he's already made then you turned your brain off after the guy with a D after his name was elected.

Here's a big fucking hint: Where did all the bailout/stimulus money go?

Then you can move on to the campaign promises he's done a complete 180 on.....

Now you hacks can write something about Bush as if the worst president we've ever had should be a measure of competence because pathetic shills don't have any actual standards or expectations.

#30----Danni,it gets tiring trying to correct all your incorrect posts-- you might want to be careful, it'll destroy any credibility you have left. Nixon's crew broke into democratic national party offices (not press offices although some would say there's no difference today between the two). Also, his enemies list were political enemies with very few people connected to the media. He did not have any major news organizations on the list just individuals. Do you get difference? Is there anyone present in the hallow halls of your mind?

"Nixon's crew broke into democratic national party offices (not press offices although some would say there's no difference today between the two)."

Never said different. I believe they also broke into Daniel Ellsberg's Psyciatric office too. Probably other places we don't know about.
All I was saying is that to pretend the Obama administration is the most aggressive in going after the other side or the press is sort of silly compared to Nixon.

BTW, how many reporters have been held in jail for refusing to reveal sources by the Obama administration???

"Not really, if you can't think of three real mistakes he's already made then you turned your brain off after the guy with a D after his name was elected."

He was responsing to RisR I believe, that made his answer very excellent.

"With it, you can have a job with competitive wages and benefits but must credit Regan for 30 years of prosperity."

ELCID even Alan Greenspan doesn't believe it any more. No one with half a brain does, it obviously didn't work here, didn't word in Great Britain, didn't work in Chile. Now, Russia is figuring out it doesn't work there either.

"must credit Regan"

Don Regan? Secretary of the treasury from 1981 to 1985?

It should be EASY to pick error apart--a much preferable strategery than running and hiding from Fox!

Try having an honest discussion with someone who believes the Bible says "abortion is verboten."

Not so easy.

it obviously didn't work here - DUMMI

Worked great for 30 years. Where the hell have you been living? Chile? Russia? That communisim thing is working great all around the world. The whole taxing yourself to prosperity idea is making headlines everywhere.

Go back to putting pennies in your piggy - that seems to be all you know or will ever know about economics.

#47 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-10-23 03:21 PM | Reply | Flag: And you thought Hitler was a NAZI

Love it when the village idiot chimes in with his spelling corrections and cut and pastes.

Hows that 4 hour commute going ZAT?

"spelling corrections"

It was spelled correctly, it was the wrong fucking word, shit-for-brains.

"4 hour commute"

WTF are you smoking? Got any left?


"4 hour commute"


WTF are you smoking? Got any left?

#52 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-10-23 03:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Your claim not mine - some past thread about how much money you would save using on the cash for clunkers deal because you commuted 2 hours each way to work. If it wasn't' 4 it was some ridiculous amount.

It was supposed to be Reagan not Regan - shit for brains. A simple spelling mistake on my part to which as usual you felt the Nazi like impulse to correct.

"He was responsing to RisR I believe, that made his answer very excellent."

Proving RIR's point that Obama supporters don't even pay attention to Obama's policies is an excellent response?

Danni, I wouldn't listen to anything Alan Greenspan says-- he along with our government and wallstreet (and yes,some consumers) were the problem-- most lemmings (excluding yours truly and a minor number of others) recognized him as the "maestro". The rest of us knew that when the tide went out it would be revealed that he had no suit on--- in other words the emporer had no clothes on.

I mean who isn't in obama's targets?


Energy companies
Utilities
Pharma
Insurance
Traders
Conservatives
Any media not ho'ing the line
Honduras
Capitalists
Republicans
GW
First Amendment
Constitution
CIA
Stupid cops
Anybody not muslim
Olympic committee
Jerry Brown
Rasmussen
Democracy
Doctors
AMA
Chamber of Commerce

What's a crime is the zero and his lackeys attacking free press and the 1st Amendment. James Madison was entirely for a free press. So were ALL of the founding fathers. NOT the CHICAGO MOB aka obama and co

What would Mao say??????????????

Funny how the community organizer admits if he can't control the message, he will not provide a message. So much for the non partisan promises of his campaign. So much for the 'change'.

LIAR!

Add another one to that list-- poor Deeds the democrat, who was criticized by an "anonymous" WH source for running a bad campaign-- kind of to protect the leader since he didn't seem to help this guy's campaign--- typical narsissitic type of move.

Is it really a Nazi impulse to try to correct Billy El Cid? Only his (?) spelling and grammar errors, or do his (?) preposterous notions of unfettered corporocracy and fetal rights figure in the equation? herm

BTW, how many reporters have been held in jail for refusing to reveal sources by the Obama administration???

he's only been in office 8 months.hell give him time.

Huh, huh, huh, somebody said Fox News, huh, huh, huh. Stupid, huh, huh, huh. Like, stupid Fox News, huh, huh, huh. People watch Fox News stupid, huh, huh.

That about sizes up the lib argument.

Obama is simply defending his co-conspirators. While the other networks have bent over to take it up the ass, Fox has single-handedly taken Acorn down a few notches, and got his good Commie buddy tossed out of the White House. There is no ideology issue here, Obama is simply using the power of the government to injure yet another private institution, but this time for petty personal reasons.

Only people insecure with their position rant like the WH is doing with FOX; otherwise, why would it even bother them if they feel that it is not true.. and, do they expect that their own supporters might subscribe to FOX... this has gotten so out of proportion and like many of his 'prime time speeches'... empty, shallow and trying to throw people off the real problems pointing to him.. it is a big smoke screen.. this is what you get when you put a 'bobblehead' in the big office..!!


" I don't think MSNBC or CNN can say the same."


Then you haven't ever watched any, they do it all the time.


If Obama attacks Fox for bias then Fox tries to fight back at Obama they just look biased. It is sort of a Catch 22.

#39 | Posted by danni


What conservative does Overbite or Maddow have on their shows??

Maddow hates Buchanan and Overbite has two libs to debate his points!

The New York Times reports that last month, senior White House adviser David Axelrod and Fox News chief executive Roger Ailes met secretly to defuse tensions between the Obama administration and the network.

-------

Obama should have sent Rahm with his dead fish routine.


Well the media stuck it to Obama by boycotting the press interviews with the pay czar.

Obama wanted to block Fox's Major Garrett from doing the interview and the rest of the press corp said screw you and refused to do any interviews unless Garrett was included.

"What conservative does Overbite or Maddow have on their shows??


Maddow hates Buchanan and Overbite has two libs to debate his points!"

What does that have to do with what I posted???

Again:

If Obama attacks Fox for bias then Fox tries to fight back at Obama they just look biased. It is sort of a Catch 22.

"If Obama attacks Fox for bias then Fox tries to fight back at Obama they just look biased. It is sort of a Catch 22."

Oh, yeah it ruined his whole day. Laughable.

Sorry about that last post, I didn't copy Murphy's comments when I thought I had.
Should have been:

"Well the media stuck it to Obama by boycotting the press interviews with the pay czar."

Oh, yeah it ruined his whole day. Laughable.

So Obama spends the entire campaign promising us that he's not too small to sit down with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Kim Jung Il or any of the crackpot banana Republic dictators. But he goes out of his way to snub Sarkozi, and refuses to let his minions appear on Fox.

Weird. Our fault, though.

I feel we've got to rally around the prez--- I feel badly for the guy--everything's falling around his ears and more and more folks are running for the life rafts. This poor guy was sold to the American people based on just "hope and change" and with no accomplishments except a couple of books to his resume along with some "community organizer" type of background-- essentially no executive experience and totally out of his element. It's obvious the number of issues are taxing him and those around him and it appears as if the boat is adrift and without an anchor. Let's quit the harping and have some "cum by yah" and support him.

While "O" may have been intelligent enough to make it through Harvard Law, he is now playing on a field in which he is over his head. His isolationist stance with certain members of the media will put others in a similar position once the allure and luster wears off. Those that are praising him today will be the same one's calling for his head later. Too bad he can't smell the bacon burning because it is done.

WTFUA!

^.^

"the zero"

I like that! Even better than my term: "Obummer"! Mind if I use it too? :)


John B.
www.politicscity.com

I don't need the government telling me that Fox sucks, I can clearly see that. The gov't should not explicitly snipe anyone in the media. That's the job of bloggers and other watchdog groups in the media. Hey President Obama, stay off of our turf!

"I mean who isn't in obama's targets?"


EXACTLY what he promised, to those listening instead of kneeling or fainting.

His isolationist stance with certain members of the media will put others in a similar position once the allure and luster wears off.

Sorry to say folks, but times they are indeed a changin'. Because of the way the internet has made short but controversial quips of little literary value instant hits, whether it is based on fact or fiction, means any politicians today or in the future will have to take a more active role in defending their stance. The lies and half truths like Fox is now so famous for will only hurt a president who ignores these lies. Bush found that out when he left office a broken man.

Obama may well go down as the most net savvy POTUS ever if he doesn't eventually shoot himself in the foot with this policy.

I've got to give some of the media credit for backing FOX on this. They're probably starting to wonder about this guy and starting to wonder what he's all about. What happens when they no longer fawn over him and criticize a decision or lack thereof-- does he try to shut them down?

Obama's Schizophrenia!

Obama,who was selected and then installed in the White House by Pro Israel Zionists,is strangely miffed by FOX TV which is owned & operated by the same Pro Israel Zionists? Maybe Obama doesn't realize he's only living in the White House because he's a well placed (robotic) "Zionist Tool" and that they'll quickly bring him down if it aids and extends their power grabbing scheme!

If only Fox were more like CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR and 95% of the major print media. They know how to be loyal cheer leaders. Fox is the only network that's asking serious questions about this Douchebag In Chief.

Barack Hussein Obama -- Except for Fox he controls them all -- On the rest of their chins he slaps his balls -- Mmm ... Mmm ... Mmm

I may be wrong, but I don't recall Dubya, his father or Reagan complaining about the lib media. Yet we heard Clinton & his folks complaining about Rush (the vast right wing consipiracy) and now Obama with his minions gunning for Rush, FOX, etc.

I think a sense of proportion should come into play here. Outside of much of talk radio, FOX news, the WS Journal... there's a dearth of coverage and analysis which isn't pro-Democrat.

Begs the question... can a Dem POTUS dish it out but not take it? If they can take it, why don't they go about their business and make their case to the American public without disparaging those who don't suckle at the Obama tit? In other words, win people over with integrity, actions, policies instead of sniping. It's quite unbecoming, actually.

Obama Administation loses bid to exclude Fox from Pay Czar Interviews:


The Obama administration on Thursday failed in its attempt to manipulate other news networks into isolating and excluding Fox News, as Republicans on Capitol Hill stepped up their criticism of the hardball tactics employed by the White House.

The Obama administration on Thursday tried to make "pay czar" Kenneth Feinberg available for interviews to every member of the White House pool except Fox News. The pool is the five-network rotation that for decades has shared the costs and duties of daily coverage of the presidency.

But the Washington bureau chiefs of the five TV networks consulted and decided that none of their reporters would interview Feinberg unless Fox News was included.

The administration relented, making Feinberg available for all five pool members and Bloomberg TV.

The pushback came after White House senior adviser David Axelrod told ABC News' "This Week" on Sunday that Fox News is not a real news organization and other news networks "ought not to treat them that way."

The decision to boycott the Feinberg interview unless Fox News was included was cheered by media analysts, who said the administration's gambit was taking its feud with Fox News too far. President Obama has already declined to go on "Fox News Sunday," even while appearing on the other Sunday shows.

"I'm really cheered by the other members saying "No, if Fox can't be part of it, we won't be part of it,'" said Baltimore Sun TV critic David Zurawik, calling the move to limit Feinberg's availability "outrageous."

"What it's really about to me is the Executive Branch of the government trying to tell the press how it should behave. I mean, this democracy -- we know this -- only works with a free and unfettered press to provide information," he said.

Fox News legal analyst Peter Johnson Jr. said the administration was potentially in violation of the Constitution with its attempt to restrict access to the "eyes and ears" of the country. ...

www.foxnews.com

How the Press Pool Busted the White House Boycott of Fox.

www.youtube.com

#78---- Hopeychangey, I've read that one before-- come on, get creative again.

#75 Ringmaster

Aren't polls of teens showing that less and less of them are watching TV? They get most of their news, for better or worse, from the Internet and blogging sites? I see TV news as an increasingly irrelevant medium of information for society.

#77 Antiquated

Maybe there isn't a Pro Israel Zionist scheme?

Barack Hussein Obama -- Questions make his squirm and sweat -- Too bad Fox won't be his pet -- Mmm ... Mmm ... Mmm

Barack Hussein Obama -- Shine a light and see us scurry -- Cockroaches don't like transparency -- Mmm ... Mmm ... Mmm

The President is supposed to just pretend Fox is a legitimate news outlet and not a political arm of the Republican Party????
I guess he decided he wasn't required by the Constitution to be so disconnected from reality.
The President gets it right.
The President sticks up for himself.
Americans applaud their President for not just letting them take the initiative. Let Fox News be on the defensive. Let them try to defend the ridiculously biased reporting they do every day.
President Obama is not just right, he is also strategically on the money. Fox News will lose this contretemp.

Let Fox News be on the defensive. Let them try to defend the ridiculously biased reporting they do every day.

Yeah, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR and 95% of the major print media like the New York Times and Los Angeles Times are the model for unbiased reporting.

Thank God for Fox. It's the only major news network that hasn't shirked it's role as watchdog to this administration. The rest are nothing more than cheerleaders.

Have you forgotten the campaign?

Rasmussen had the most accurate polls of the presidential election:

In the latest survey, a plurality of Democrats37%-- say most reporters try to offer unbiased coverage of the campaign. Twenty-seven percent (27%) believe most reporters are trying to help Obama and 21% in Obama's party think reporters are trying to help the Republican candidate.

Among Republicans, 78% believe reporters are trying to help Obama and 10% see most offering unbiased coverage.

As for unaffiliated voters, 50% see a pro-Obama bias and 21% see unbiased coverage. Just 12% of those not affiliated with either major party believe the reporters are trying to help McCain.

www.rasmussenreports.com

#86 Danni

What is he gaining by going after Fox? Those who already choose to get their news from television, probably won't change after hearing his criticisms. I'm troubled by the fact that the President is singling out a member of the media, even if it is Fox.

Take away the players for a second and think about it. Government should not try to have this direct of an influence on the media, no matter how much of a joke that particular part of the media has become (thanks much to Fox for dragging TV news down to the shit it is today). What the government is doing here is something I'm fundamentally against.

He's always right, Danni. He's by-God perfect in every respect.
Just who do those dumbasses at Fox think they are, anyway? They need to staff their newsrooms with 90% liberals, like the other networks have. That way Obama can get on all the networks and be deified, as he should be.

#87 DopeyFlangey

NPR is excellent and they run stories that aren't necessarily in favor of the Obama administration's dealings. They are a much better model for unbiased reporting than Fox can dream to be, because they actually report on shit that's real, and don't rely on celebrity-perv-of-the-week sensationalist trash and poetically rancid one-line zingers and BULLSHIT news alerts about a slow-speed car chase around a Walgreens parking lot that lasts for 2 hours.

That is funny

"Americans applaud their President for not just letting them take the initiative. Let Fox News be on the defensive. Let them try to defend the ridiculously biased reporting they do every day."

Danni,


So do you think that anyone who doesn't applaud Hussein that they are not Americans.

NPR is excellent and they run stories that aren't necessarily in favor of the Obama administration's dealings. They are a much better model for unbiased reporting than Fox ...

That was funny.

It's like all the libtards are just delusional.

Look, I will admit that Fox is right of center but I also see that CNN, MSNBC, NPR, ABC, CBS and NBC and 95% of the major print media are left of center and little more than cheer leaders to this administration.

Fox is he only network that isn't in line to suck Obama's shaft. That's why their bias doesn't bother me in the slightest and why their reporting is so vitally important to us all.

#86..."Americans applaud their President for not just letting them take the initiative. Let Fox News be on the defensive. Let them try to defend the ridiculously biased reporting they do every day.
President Obama is not just right, he is also strategically on the money. Fox News will lose this contretemp."

Seems like, just as in most of his other agendas, Barry had to back off over the Feinberg interviews.. Applaud this comedy???..you have got to be real.. this is 'teenage girl locker room trash' tactics that, like all of his other efforts, seem to hit an obstacle and another turnaround here and turnaround there.. who can take this guy serious???

"I mean who isn't in obama's targets?"

You forgot the NRA

The mainstream media has completely abandoned its role as watchdog to power. For whatever reason, whether it is their own political bias, fear of this administration's wrath, desire to be close to power, laziness, or a need to be accepted by their liberal peers, they have committed a form of treason by refusing to use the power of the press they were given by the Constitution for the benefit of the people as the founders intended.

For a people to be free, they must have the truth. Therefore, the mainstream media as constituted today is a threat to our freedom because they do not cover stories that undercut their biases, even to the point of avoiding huge stores like ACORN's corruption and the radical Czars in the Obama administration who exercise immense power over us by virtue of their ability to implement policy without oversight from Congress.

Our media has been co-opted by the left and therefore is not neutral, but corrupted by their own need to have an agenda realized that, in fact, may not be good for this country. Good, perhaps, for Cuba, or Venezuela, or any other backward, tyrannical, freedom depriving country, but not for this great -- hopefully -- forever free and prosperous country.

fox news rule's, better rating's than the rest of the news channel's plus i would like to know if obama want's some cheese with that whine.


Well said.

#93 Derpdeedoo

I heard about the Obama unconstitutional czars on NPR and here on the Retort. Feingold from WI spoke out against it, and I agreed with Russ that this stinks.

www.npr.org

As far as 24 hour TV news, it all sucks, with FoxNews leading the pack. Fox TV programming, on the other hand, has delivered what I like (The Simpsons, Family Guy, Arrested Development). As far as news, I'd much rather read the article or watch the video, then view comments and alternative opinions and links to other videos/articles in rebuttal.

#97 BluesClues

Porn sites have the most traffic. Are they the best sites for the advancement of our society?

fox news rule's, better rating's than the rest of the news channel's plus i would like to know if obama want's some cheese with that whine.

#97 | Posted by bluesman3369 at 2009-10-23 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag:


Well said.

#98 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-10-23 09:39 PM | Reply | Flag:


Now, that's some riveting intercourse.

Now, that's some riveting intercourse.
#101 | Posted by TedBaxter

I'm flagging that "Construction Worker Porn"

"CNN, MSNBC, NPR, ABC, CBS and NBC and 95% of the major print media are left of center and little more than cheer leaders to this administration." I gotta think that this author is deaf, blind and probably just a bit dumb. The media he (?) mentions are corporate entities programs, like Repubs, for profit and not people. herm

What conservative does Overbite or Maddow have on their shows??
Maddow hates Buchanan and Overbite has two libs to debate his points!

#64 | POSTED BY MURPHY AT 2009-10-23 05:25 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

You really are clueless, especially about Maddow. She doesn't just have conservatives on to debate, she even has the leaders of conservative movements on to debate and argue policy. It can get quite heated, too.

I may be wrong, but I don't recall Dubya, his father or Reagan complaining about the lib media. Yet we heard Clinton & his folks complaining about Rush (the vast right wing consipiracy) and now Obama with his minions gunning for Rush, FOX, etc.

You employ selective memory? As I said in another post: "The Bush Admin blocked NBC and MSNBC, gave the cold shoulder to Helen Thomas, propagandized through Fox News continuously, even went so far as to have loyalty oaths, and then there's Cheney with his "rock star" requirements on hotel rooms: All TV's must be tuned to Fox and on, temperature set at 68 degrees..."

That was funny.
It's like all the libtards are just delusional.

It was accurate which makes you?

scrumplet, it's bluesman got it! and if you want to bring porn in from where ever that came from then go after the porn industry not me. i was just making a comment about fox if you don't like it don't watch then go watch your porn.

#105 Mr. 33 69s

By "traffic," I meant "ratings," Internet-style. I'm conflating Fox 'news' with porn and questioning the argument of your post #97. It all boils down to the "sex sells" argument that people use. Sex sells because it appeals to our most primal instincts. No need to be creative or intellectually stimulating, just throw in some sex (or sensationalist Fox News garbage that appeals to more primal instincts) and watch the ratings improve. Does what we want = what we need?

A man much wiser than the goofy sack of shit who currently occupies the White House once observed the inherent stupidity of picking fights with people who buy ink by the barrel.

Speaking privately at the White House on Monday with a group of mostly liberal columnists and commentators, including Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann of MSNBC and Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich and Bob Herbert of The New York Times, Mr. Obama himself gave vent to sentiments about the network, according to people briefed on the conversation.

Then, in an interview with NBC News on Wednesday, the president went public. "What our advisers have simply said is that we are going to take media as it comes," he said. "And if media is operating, basically, as a talk radio format, then that's one thing. And if it's operating as a news outlet, then that's another."
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Riddle me this drudge liberals. Does MSNBC operate as a news organization? How are they different from FOX except on the left side? And if you are honest and acknowledge that MSNBC is incredibly biased in its commentators, why are'nt they being blackballed also? Or is it just the "talk show formats" that don't agree with the WH propaganda that get blackballed?

This isn't about integrity of the news, it's about government trying to silence its critics.

The rabid MSM:

biggovernment.com

"Terrorist Fist Bump" did not come from Hannity. Tea party hype was not limited to Beck. The Joe Biden "Fundamentals are strong" clip was played during the supposed "news hour". Not to mention the plethora of other white lies cataloged across the web that don't fall on the "commentary" shows.

Calling out MSNBC as being just as leftist presents a false equivalency. Yes MSNBC is leftist (and the Bush Whitehouse locked them out as well), but we don't have the catalog of blatant untruths against them that we have against Fox.

There are a lot of right-wing blogs, you would think one of them would have taken to tracking all the "lies" and partisan hackery that would make MSNBC equivalent to Fox. So far I haven't been pointed there.

1) If they are going to put aside their ideology, why are they there? They were elected by their constituents to bring those beliefs to Washington. It seems that the Libs have lost the definition of bi-partisan. Both sides need to give a little to get a little.

Yer kidding right?

The left are mad at Obama for offering concension after concession to the right only to have them fail to vote for his bills.

It's not a lack of bipartisanship on the left that's the problem.

It's the unrelenting obstructionism of the right that is the issue.

Does MSNBC operate as a news organization? How are they different from FOX except on the left side? And if you are honest and acknowledge that MSNBC is incredibly biased in its commentators, why are'nt they being blackballed also?

FOX promote anti-Obama events in a manner that finds no equivilancy with any of the other networks.

FOX's so called real news is as deliberately slanted and agendised as their pundits.

K?

Be Well.

Spud,

You are not serious right? Did you watch MSNBC during the 8 years of Bush? They were so incredibly biased it was embarassing. You think MSNBC isn't slanted??

I will readily admit that FOX leans to the right but to try and say MSNBC doesn't lean right is just delusional. You have a commentator (Matthews) saying that it is his job to make the President succeed and attacking the right for not supporting Obama. But during the Bush years him and all the crazy pundits on there were brutalizing President Bush.

Just admit it. The President and his team is trying to silence his critics and is using the "not a news organization" as an excuse. Quite frankly I find it chilling that they are trying to silence a free press. It's quite Nixonian.

This headline is misleading. Fox declared war on Democrats (and democracy) from its very inception.

Son of a D, MSNBC expresses generally progressive views, and sometimes three hours of MSNBC is a bit much, but MSNBC has never been caught in a blatant lie while Hannity, Beck, O'Lieley and the rest of Murdoch's dreary cabal have never been found in the truth. And your LEGITIMATELY elected president tries to silence no one. He merely exercises his right not to have truck with people whose sole aim is to nail him. herm

Obama wanted to block Fox's Major Garrett from doing the interview and the rest of the press corp said screw you and refused to do any interviews unless Garrett was included.
#65 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-10-23 05:30 PM
#80 | Posted by HopeyChangey
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tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com

here's what happened.

Feinberg did a pen and pad with reporters to brief them on cutting executive compensation. TV correspondents, as they do with everything, asked to get the comments on camera. Treasury officials agreed and made a list of the networks who asked (Fox was not among them).

But logistically, all of the cameras could not get set up in time or with ease for the Feinberg interview, so they opted for a round robin where the networks use one pool camera. Treasury called the White House pool crew and gave them the list of the networks who'd asked for the interview.


The network pool crew noticed Fox wasn't on the list, was told that they hadn't asked and the crew said they needed to be included. Treasury called the White House and asked top Obama adviser Anita Dunn. Dunn said yes and Fox's Major Garrett was among the correspondents to interview Feinberg last night.

Simple as that, we're told, and the networks don't want to be seen as heroes for Fox.

Fox did not want the interview when first offered!


FOX news is simply a way for all those itchin for an ol' tyme lynchin to get their virtual mob rocks off....

#12 | Posted by NerfHerder at 2009


rather than call you all of the names that any reader can clearly see fits you.

I dont recall anyone ON fox talk about getting those creepy 'feelings' running up thier legs when oh say..karl rove was there or someone like that.

this bullshit is almost a little fascinating.
how the left is so SCARED OUT OF THIER FUCKIN MINDS of this NEWS and OPINION network.

during the Bush years him and all the crazy pundits on there were brutalizing President Bush.

Bullshit.

Bush was given way too easy a time of it from all the MSM fer far too long fer yer assertion to have much validitity.

From failing to hold him to task for allowing 9/11 to occur on his watch, to selling his War in Iraq for him the press didn't really start getting on his case until it became too embarrassing to not report on the mass numbers of people who opposed his hare brained schemes and cronyism.

While it's undeniable that MSNBC and FOX both lean a certain way in their punditry the equivilancy argument flies right out the window when you consider the long history FOX so-called news of distorting and framing stories specifically to line up note fer note with the right wing talking points of the week.

Also when you consider the way FOX shamelessly promoted the hell out of those teabag events you will also be unable to find anything even remotely comparable from any of the so-called Lefty MSM.

Be Well.

Doubt if any of the White House elitists like David Axelrod have ever watched FOX. They, like most anti-Fox folks, probably only watch that Fox reject Keith Obermann's daily obsessive rants about Fox on MSNBC and take it, like lemmings, as Gospel.

The intolerant left that now runs 1600 Pennsylvania can't stand differing political opinions anymore than their boss's ego can accept any idea that deviates from his own not so very well disguised belief in his own omniscience.

This "we are politically perfect and are profoundly correct about ALL things" attitude of the current crowd of progressive socialists who are in temporary charge of the country will continue to make many more Obama supporters into ex-Obama supporters like me.

#118 12345678A

"They, like most anti-Fox folks, probably only watch that Fox reject Keith Obermann's daily obsessive rants about Fox on MSNBC and take it, like lemmings, as Gospel."

I doubt they get much of their news from television.
As far as your "lemmings" statement, I don't hear much critical thought from right-wingers, I only hear them spout off one-liner zingers they hear off of Fox News or Rush or read from Newsmax or the Drudge Report. There's a difference between reporting on differing opinions and supporting/purporting smear campaigns, too.

'News,' on Obama, as delivered by Fox

pooping on Obama's inauguration

'Confidence lost?'

Save the children!

Look, I will admit that Fox is right of center

It doesn't bother you that a right-wing news organization claims to be Fair and Balanced?

I don't mind that Fox is right-wing. The problem is they pretend they are unbiased. And a ton of you idiots believe them, or don't seem to care that they're lying.

Snoof, relate to me their lies or is it that they say they're "fair and balanced".

They say they're Fair and Balanced. That is a lie.

Get it?

Nielsons:

"Last week, Beck's show averaged 2.9 million viewers, which is consistent with the viewership Beck has been drawing for several weeks now. This week, the show is drawing 2.6 million viewers. It's a small dip, to be sure. But again, the pundits have been in heated agreement that the Fox News ratings were going to skyrocket thanks to the administration's obvious blunder. But Beck's ratings certainly have not.

And overall, Fox News' total day audience has also dipped slightly, from 1.4 million last week, to 1.3 million so far this week."

Less than 1% of Americans watch Beck, 0.36% watch Fox. 5X as many watch Judge Judy

What it comes down to is an application of an age old political tactic of demonizing an opponent to invalidate the messenger when you can't get sufficient traction to combat the message. Marginalize Fox News and you marginalize the effectiveness of the opinion component of their broadcasting.

This reminds me so much of that infamous quote:

"Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?"

Hey Scrumplet:

Seeing the sources for your "Examples" leads me to believe you might be one of the intolerant, omnipotent progressive socialist party know-it-all elites.

Get out of your cocoon and try "listening" to both sides of the political aisle, or are you like Chris Matthews, who can't tolerate deviation from his own preconceived notions?

#126 00110011

The sources provided clips of Fox News. That's what I saw. And what Fox was doing was bullshit. I'm in no cocoon. I don't watch TV news because it's generally bullshit (thanks to Fox's leading example). I don't give a shit about Chris Matthews.

They declared war on Fox because they have declared war on the American people -- their freedom, their prosperity, their futures and those of their children -- by putting us into unsustainable debt for his leftist agenda. Business is in his crosshairs as well as anyone who comes out with any information or dissent, ie, the insurance companies, any individual or organization. So why not Fox? Its the Chicago way to not debate but to destroy. Wake up people. That is what we have in this White House.


They declared war on Fox because they have declared war on the American people -- their freedom, their prosperity, their futures and those of their children -- by putting us into unsustainable debt for his leftist agenda. Business is in his crosshairs as well as anyone who comes out with any information or dissent, ie, the insurance companies, any individual or organization. So why not Fox? Its the Chicago way to not debate but to destroy. Wake up people. That is what we have in this White House.

#128 | Posted by Kissntell

What an absurd post. Why is it so hard for you conservatives to understand that you don't represent the majority of americans and never will again? Your failed philosophies of supply-side capitalism and the strength of the religious right are things of the past. Your movement has already peaked and in doing so almost brought this country to ruin. It is not the centrist Obama administration you fear, but the passage of time. With each passing day more americans realize how hollow and self-serving your values are, how utterly unamerican. The cancer of modern conservatism is in remission and this is a good thing.

You will love your chains, disguised as economic security.


Doesn't it bother any of you that in a country that stands for Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press - we have the government and other members of the media attacking the voice of the opposition? Doesn't that smack of Stalin or Castro or Chavez?


Fox does not "Poison" the discourse...it is the ONLY TV Broadcast network that provides at least a bit of the opposite point of view. You do not get it from NBC, CBS or ABC - Nor the Post, Times, or other outlet...Funny but each has been PROVEN to run stories that were not true...and have supported the Democrats right down the line.


So...yes if you want to be Comrades and like your media just feeding you propaganda with a single view you should attack Fox....but if you are truly American and believe in Freedom of Speech you should embrace the single voice of reason outside of the mainstream.


Doesn't it bother any of you that in a country that stands for Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press - we have the government and other members of the media attacking the voice of the opposition? Doesn't that smack of Stalin or Castro or Chavez?

'The Voice of Opposition'? That's hilarious. Where was the 'Voice of Opposition' during the Bush years? Oh yeah, calling dissenters traitors.


Fox does not "Poison" the discourse...it is the ONLY TV Broadcast network that provides at least a bit of the opposite point of view. You do not get it from NBC, CBS or ABC - Nor the Post, Times, or other outlet...Funny but each has been PROVEN to run stories that were not true...and have supported the Democrats right down the line.

That's just not true. And I bet you only watch Fox news. Somebody told you to do it. You didn't shop around. And if you did, it was to find a network that parroted your backwards beliefs.


So...yes if you want to be Comrades and like your media just feeding you propaganda with a single view you should attack Fox....but if you are truly American and believe in Freedom of Speech you should embrace the single voice of reason outside of the mainstream.

#131 | Posted by foshaffer

'Voice of Reason'? That's so funny! Maybe to the kooky right and all their pathetic conspiracy theories.


You will love your chains, disguised as economic security.

#130 | Posted by Kissntell

Not as much as you love your chains of ignorance, intolerance and fear.

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