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In response to a speech by former Vice President Dick Cheney that President Obama "must stop dithering while America's armed forces are in danger," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said that "the vice president was for seven years not focused on Afghanistan."

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whats the hurry on domestic policy!

but make sure you make a hasty decision on afghanistan.


"Make no mistake. Signals of indecision out of Washington hurt our allies and embolden our adversaries,"

yea like they already weren't emboldened already...
they attacked durring bush/cheney's watch...and control most of afghanistan... that already has emboldened them. nice try DICK

Cheney really needs to STFU considering the problems we have in Afghanistan now are a direct consequence of him and Bush changing our focus from Afghanistan to Iran. These people simply have no shame. I'll bet you Faux News will be running him and his idiot daughter over and over and over now.

remember that this speech is in response to the fuckin lies of rhom the ballet dancer last sunday
those lies are now exposed as to the bush administration trying to help obama with this war that obama has supported all along
UNTIL people like soros and moveon are FORCING HIM to wait a decision on.
so its no suprise that the left wants him to STFU.
they dont want to hear of more lies from thier GOD in the white house.

and if you only pay attention to msnbc..the lies are the questions that rhom said were never asked when they were all asked and answered but were not announced in deference to the incoming administraion.
MORE proof of the lack of chraracter and integrity now in the WaSHINGTON DC house of chicago mobster and crooked politics called the obama team.

Cheney really needs to STFU considering the problems we have in Afghanistan now are a direct consequence of him and Bush changing our focus from Afghanistan

#2 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-22 10:51 AM

Agreed, but he has a point. Obama needs to quit dithering and pull us the fuck out of there.

and he IS dancing and partying while men and woman are at risk and dying

ah but much like the IRAQ BODY COUNT and the screaming about showing the coffins.
that all doesnt matter anymore...
what a pathetic commander in chief.
and the ONE issue that there was actually bipartisn support for..going away fast

"Make no mistake. Signals of indecision out of Washington hurt our allies and embolden our adversaries,"

Cheney really has no ground to talk when it come to emboldening our adversaries unless he is giving advice how to do it.

Former Vice President Dick Cheney said Wednesday that the Bush administration had developed a new strategy on the war in Afghanistan before leaving office -- a strategy that he said "bears a striking resemblance" to the one announced by President Obama in March.

In a speech to the Center for Security Policy, Cheney said the Bush administration handed Obama's transition team a policy review of the Afghan war conducted last fall to meet the new challenges posed by the Taliban.

"They asked us not to announce our findings publicly, and we agreed, giving them the benefit of our work and the benefit of the doubt," Cheney said.

lets read that again

"They asked us not to announce our findings publicly, and we agreed, giving them the benefit of our work and the benefit of the doubt," Cheney said

sorry
forgot to add to last post

RHOM said on sunday that questions asked and answered havent been asked yet

a clear lie from a ballet dancing chioago political mobster.


Our enemies are busy finally getting their asses kicked in So Whatzizstan by the Paki army..... something 8 years and billions of taxpayer dollars couldn't accomplish under Bush/Cheney.

So Dick the Draft Dodger should just STFU.

Signals of indecision out of Washington hurt our allies and embolden our adversaries," Cheney said "and nobody knows that better than me."

After 7 years of failure (according rightwing hero of the week to McCrystal) in afghanistan, Cheney is the second last person to criticise anything military.

How much did handing Iraq over to Iran embolden hezbollah and Iran? How much did his refusal to go after al queda in pakistan embolden the taliban and al queda?

The Bush Admin commenting on anything involving diplomacy, war or the economy is like listening to Hitler discuss kosher cooking. stick to shooting your friends in the face, Dick. It was the pinnacle of your Veepery.

So Dick the Draft Dodger should just STFU.


#9 | Posted by Corky at 2009


thats right and he also has no right to correct rhom's lies on tv either does he?
makes the pres look bad and him 'dithering' makes him look bad enough.

and OHHHHHHHHHH you said HITLER...north

so whats the difference between hitler and obama

hitler could get an olympics..

BA DUMP DUMP>........

Given that Obama is right now at war with Fox News, it would be irresponsible for him to carry on a war on 2 fronts.

One thing at a time. Remember when Afghanistan was the "good war"? The one everyone agreed on? That was about the time "pay as you go" wormed its way into DNC talking points.

Ahhh. The memories.

and just like nanc on nooner

you have hit on the obama strategy

get people talking about fox news and they wont notice the dems slipping in 250 BILLION more to deficit on a health care issue.....OOPS!!!!

and people wont notice the czars taking over more and more of our everyday life..such as the manufactoring czar who has admitted to wanting to destroy capitalism
or the safe school czar who wrote a book forward for the icon of NAMBLA...
and so many other things that obama MUST have our attention diverted from..

but HERE IS a question to north and the CORKmiesTer

so surely you dont think it REALLY should take THIS long to decide what to do..
ESPECAIILLY now that we Know that they got a lot of info from the previous administration and REMEMBER How many of you throw out the charge that bush could have stopped 9/11 with info from clinton

WELL...isnt this pretty much the same thing??

will read responses later...

RIR
more memories

REMEMBER The daily death count

or how about the screaming for pics of coffins..

why does the left care more about people who die in iraq than afghanistan???????????????????
????????????

could it be..
MAYBE who lives on pennsylvaina avenue??

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


and out

'giving them the benefit of our work "

That would be failing for seven years, allowing the poppy farming, letting al queda and the taliban leadership slide into pakistan and ignoring them and backing a corrupt drug dealing Administration in Kabul.

That benefit is about the same as the one the Captain of the Titanic would have given to his replacement-just one little hole.

aflac worships Republican failure. Which is pretty much a full-time job.

Cheney needs to be careful when he talks about plans passed from the outgoing administration to the incoming considering the testimony at the 9-11 hearings from Clark and others. We might start suspecting that 9-11 happened due to that administration's unwillingness to take terrorism as seriously as it needed to be and as the Clinton adminstration told them it was.
Cheney would serve himself best by returning to Wyoming and hoping that if he's quiet we will all forget about him.

"why does the left care more about people who die in iraq than afghanistan???????????????????
????????????"

We don't care any less but we also understand that there was a real reason for invading Afghanistan, unlike Iraq, so the sacrifices of our troops, in Afghanistan, are tragic but necessary.

so the sacrifices of our troops, in Afghanistan, are tragic but necessary.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-22 11:26 AM

Right. So what are we gaining by remaining in Afghanistan? When do we get to say we won and come home?

a clear lie from a ballet dancing chioago political mobster.

#8 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-22 11:01 AM

This comming from someone who supported an ex cheerleader that had "sleep overs" with Jeffy Gannon.

"Right. So what are we gaining by remaining in Afghanistan? When do we get to say we won and come home?"

I would guess that is why the decision is taking some time. Leaving now will let the Taliban win, staying though will be, according to some generals, a committment of up to 14 years. It is a hard decision to have to make.

and he IS dancing and partying while men and woman are at risk and dying

And your hero didn't? You could google pictures of him holding hands with the financiers of 9-11 and the Iraqi jihadists or doing the watusi or a sword dance with some Africans while Americans died. And then there's the "Now watch this swing" comment while the 9-11 corpses were still smoldering.

Face it aflac, you loyally supported the biggest failure in the WH since Herbie Hoover and you'll just have to accept the reality of that. And in fairness to Hoover, he didn't lose two wars, he just tanked the economy.

When do we get to say we won and come home?

#18 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-10-22 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag: Exit Strategies are only required from Democrats. Otherwise, 100 year wars are cool for Republicans

Well--Obama had his strategy in March--

He sent 21k troops.

It wasn't enough for the plan.

The generals want more troops to carry out his plan from March.

Obama is dithering around.

He needs to step it up.

Cheney to Republicans: "Deficits don't matter".

Poor aflac is currently beating himself with a teabag while applying for a stimulus check to buy a Chev.

The good thing about Cheney's comment is there hasn't been a single rightie deny that Bush and Cheney failed in afghanistan. They no longer even mention Iraq. When they finally accept the truth about Bush's economic stupidity and his 9-11 incompetence, they'll be well on the way to joining the reality based world.

#18 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-10-22 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag: Exit Strategies are only required from Democrats. Otherwise, 100 year wars are cool for Republican

#22 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-10-22 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:


Let me know when we have one.

Right. So what are we gaining by remaining in Afghanistan? When do we get to say we won and come home?

It's so obvious that this country is a two party system, eh LoD? You ask the same question, to two different parties (allegedly) and you get the same hedging and half baked answers. Honestly, you'll have a better chance of getting an exact measurement of how much better off we were with the stimulus than without it than when we are leaving the 'Stan.

so whats the difference between hitler and obama

hitler could get an olympics..

BA DUMP DUMP>........

#11 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-10-22 11:13 AM | Reply | Flag:Other difference, aflac would vote for Hitler


so whats the difference between hitler and obama


hitler could get an olympics..


BA DUMP DUMP>........


#11 | Posted by afkabl2


What's the difference between Hitler and Bush?

Hitler won the popular vote, THEN started a war

BA DUMP DUMP>........

It's so obvious that this country is a two party system, eh LoD? You ask the same question, to two different parties (allegedly) and you get the same hedging and half baked answers. Honestly, you'll have a better chance of getting an exact measurement of how much better off we were with the stimulus than without it than when we are leaving the 'Stan.

#26 | Posted by IraqiBukkake at 2009-10-22 01:11 PM

Ain't that the truth.

Funny seeing Dems bat around the idea of a 14 year committment in Afghan. Sound like repubs more and more every day.

Unlike the Bush/Cheney administration, this one actually 'plans'. No point in committing to anything until the elections are over.

World to Cheney: "GO FUCK YOURSELF!!!"

"What Vice President Cheney calls 'dithering,' President Obama calls his solemn responsibility to the men and women in uniform and to the American public," Gibbs told reporters. "I think we've all seen what happens when somebody doesn't take that responsibility seriously."

"I think it's pretty safe to say that the vice president was for seven years not focused on Afghanistan, even more curious given the fact that an increase in troops sat on desks in this White House, including the vice president's, for more than eight months, a resource request filled by President Obama in March," Gibbs said.

"There was no oil in afghanistan, so go f**k yourself" replied Cheney from an undisclosed location.

maybe dick failed in iraq and afghanistan because he didn't "dither" and made stupid and hasty choices.


thought is underrated by the right.

Cheney is pretty fucking mouthy for a guy that screwed the country so bad, and should probably be in Prison for war crimes.

"Cheney to Obama - Stop Dithering on Afghanistan"

Same Cheney who ignored Afghanistan for 8 years and let the Taliban regain control of 80%+ of the country while his eye was on the prize of Iraqi oil we won't get now after blowing trillions and thousands of American lives?

Thank God we have a President who takes the time to form a credible strategy before sending Americans into harms way.

I never thought Cheney was sane when he was the VEEP.

I guess I was right.

Those voices keep telling him that November 4, 2008 never happened. It was all an illusion . . . a cruel hoax.

Those voices keep telling him what a great leader he is.

Those voices keep telling him that the rest of the world is wrong, wrong, wrong.

THOSE VOICES . . . THOSE DAMN VOICES.

Why do they all sound like Elmer Fudd during wabbit huntin' season?

When will they ever go away and take Cheney with them?

Twinpac

His first name says it all ...

Our enemies are busy finally getting their asses kicked in So Whatzizstan by the Paki army..... something 8 years and billions of taxpayer dollars couldn't accomplish under Bush/Cheney.


Heights from which taliban attacked, have been taken.

www.app.com.pk

www.thearynews.com


Video of captured taliban weapons... tunnels... positions.

www.youtube.com

We seem to be running into plenty of foreigners... non-Pakistani, non-Afghan.


Updated video, showing more weapons.

www.youtube.com

It will take a few months, but already the taliban seem to be dropping dead like flies.

It's our stupid Commander-in-Chief.. Zardari... who is trying to fuck things up whenever he can.

Oh... American bases inside Afghanistan, along Pakistan border have been abandoned by the Americans!

Are you crazy?

I said before, because Waziristan is connected to Afghanistan, a lot of these taliban-types will run into Afghanistan.

This will create a storm from which the American mission in Afghanistan will not recover... if you don't stop them when they cross over.

But it seems Americans are not interested AT ALL.

They will not even try to stop them on their side of the border.

Amazing!

I am telling you this to inform you that your Obama is the worst "war president" ever if this is his "plan".

Like the Americans say "shit.. or get off the pot".

Obama to hallichainy


stfu, count your millions in halliburton stock options thanks to your own collusion in changing our pentagon rules to allow privatization of our military when you were dod under bush 41 and your no bid contracts for an unnecessary invasion/occupation of a country that did not attack us and was no threat to ever do so, and just be thankful you aren't getting prosecuted ya war criminal.

btw

Anyone else see the sense in not sending anymore of our troops (he's already sent 21k in april and another 13k support last month) UNTIL the political situation (presidential election fraud) is straightened out?

I do.

Why should Obama listen to that War Criminal?? If I were Him I'd keep My mouth shut and a low profile. What an arrogant POS

Larry


Obama to Cheney: "Bite me, Deferment Boy!".

We don't care any less but we also understand that there was a real reason for invading Afghanistan, unlike Iraq, so the sacrifices of our troops, in Afghanistan, are tragic but necessary.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-


okay so then why is he waiting

its simple

if he decides now the left wing will not like it right before the elections in new jersey and VA.
its not hard to see whats happening

thought is underrated by the right.

#33 | Posted by klifferd


and I COULD say the the death count and showing coffins and all that is underrated by the left WITH OBAMA In the white house...

AGAIN
the whole speech was highlighted by the TRUTH about the rhom lies he was spreading last sunday.

well thats a large portion anyway..


Thank God we have a President who takes the time to form a credible strategy before sending Americans into harms way.

#36 | Posted by Timex at 2009-10-23 04:41


thought is underrated by the right.

#33 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-10-23


both of you have been proven to be wrong on these charges and still dont acknowledge that if cheney is right on the last months of the bush administraion and OBAMA ISNT denying it..
they more than thought about it, they did another full study of the situation and even came up with a plan..THAT OBAMA USED OR AT LEAST talked about..

so much for your insults.

The record is clear: Dick Cheney and the Bush administration were incompetent war fighters. They ignored Afghanistan for 7 years with a crude approach to counter-insurgency warfare best illustrated by: 1. Deny it. 2. Ignore it. 3. Bomb it. While our intelligence agencies called the region the greatest threat to America, the Bush White House under-resourced our military efforts, shifted attention to Iraq, and failed to bring to justice the masterminds of September 11.

The only time Cheney and his cabal of foreign policy 'experts' have anything to say is when they feel compelled to protect this failed legacy. While President Obama is tasked with cleaning up the considerable mess they left behind, they continue to defend torture or rewrite a legacy of indifference on Afghanistan. Simply put, Mr. Cheney sees history throughout extremely myopic and partisan eyes.--Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, USA, ret.


Read more at: www.huffingtonpost.com

Snap!

whatever but what we DO KNOW is the obamas used the findings of the BUSH administration and bush did not release that ON OBAMAS request which leads me to one conclusion
obama WANTED rhom to be able to lie about it now and he wanted us all to forget or not know that he was following a bush idea or plan.
well he didnt want his LEFTISTS rADICAL MASTERS to know about it.

Snap!

#51 | Posted by morris at 2009-10-23 11:08 AM

Snap?? Did Eaton ever set foot in Afghanistan? I seem to remember him in charge of training the Iraqi Security forces back in 03. Which years later Obama called for a halt to all training and missions with the Iraqi forces. Ironically he is part of Obamas team.

okay so then why is he waiting
its simple
if he decides now the left wing will not like it right before the elections in new jersey and VA.
its not hard to see whats happening

#47 | POSTED BY AFKABL2 AT 2009-10-23 10:55 AM


No, as I pointed out, there is some intelligence in waiting to see how the presidential RECOUNT comes out there and listening to ALL his advisors, not just an off the res general who thinks it's smart to talk to the press (and thereby our enemies) before talking to Obama....

Unlike the last admin who ignored Afghanistan because there weren't any "good targets" according to clusterfk rummy and allowed obl and the taleban to resurge there, Obama is committed to doing the best thing possible in the occupations he inherited from the neoconservative foreign policy failures.

and you are right, it isn't hard to see what's happening with your post....

a rw partisan placing party over country

"No, as I pointed out, there is some intelligence in waiting to see how the presidential RECOUNT comes out there and listening to ALL his advisors, not just an off the res general who thinks it's smart to talk to the press (and thereby our enemies) before talking to Obama...."

Instead they should listen to the loudest critics coming out of both Houses like Bush was supposed to do. Shouldn't Harry Reid be calling Obama a loser by now? Shouldn't he be about ready to say the war is lost? Who is going to replace Kennedy saying the this is another Vietnam? When is he going to say a new torture prison is being opened under Barrack Obama? Where is Biden calling for his brilliant assesments? Every one of these fuckers and many more couldn't wait to open their yaps. Now these same experts have held all Committee Chairs since 2007 and what have they done about Afghanistan? Are they all adhering to the expertise of Obama? WTF!!!!

Well--Obama had his strategy in March--
He sent 21k troops.
It wasn't enough for the plan.
The generals want more troops to carry out his plan from March.
Obama is dithering around.
He needs to step it up.
smurphette

why do you outright lie smurphette? it's that or you are just ignorant of the facts.
the plan that was put in place in march was actually sitting on bush's and cheney's desk for an entire 8 months prior.

obama filled that troop request after 8 months of dithering from bush and cheney.

#56

Who was the CIC from 2001 thru 2007 and 2008 Crispee?

Nice try anyhow son.


and nice catch CJ


#56


Who was the CIC from 2001 thru 2007 and 2008 Crispee?


Christ almighty!!! You forgot that as well?

why do you outright lie smurphette? it's that or you are just ignorant of the facts.
the plan that was put in place in march was actually sitting on bush's and cheney's desk for an entire 8 months prior.


obama filled that troop request after 8 months of dithering from bush and cheney.

#57 | Posted by cjk85 at 2009-10-23 12:21 PM

You may want to look at the plan approved by Gates back in December 2008 to add more troops. You may also find they were expecting 60-70 thousand troops by years of 2009. Obama hasn't done anything that wasn't already expected.




#56

Who was the CIC from 2001 thru 2007 and 2008 Crispee?

Christ almighty!!! You forgot that as well?

#59 | POSTED BY CRISPEE_OC AT 2009-10-23 12:40 PM


Uh, no, apparently, either you forgot....or forgot who runs the military is the CIC, posting all that bs at #56 in a lame ass attempt to debunk anything i posted...

As i said, nice try tho....


LMFAO

crispee thinks we should just blindly rush more troops into a country that just had a fraudulent election and whose police and military says more occupying troops will hurt the situation, not help....Of course, that is as long as it's not him or any of his loved ones...eh?

Obama is doing the intelligent thing by waiting to see what occurs with the recount and getting opinions from ALL advisors.....including that one who is a general, but doesn't seem to know the chain of command as any grunt does......spewing his "request" in front of the press and thereby our enemies....That's just genius in your mind, eh crispy?

posting all that bs at #56 in a lame ass attempt to debunk anything i posted...
#61 | Posted by woke at 2009-10-23 01:02 PM

Noooo...
It shows you are a blatant, partisan, hypocrite and have a horrible memory.

#62...

Another Rip Van Winkle post by Woke defending Obama's lack of making a decision? Obama just "Woke" up and has had only seven weeks to make up his mind? Or is this the Miss Cleo defense that he knew months ago he should wait until after the elections?

No sonny, it pointed out that your post blaming congress for something the cic bush didn't do makes you the partisan, a hypocrite and no understanding of how things work in our govt and military...

but, please continue to post your inanities so everyone can continue to see how ignant you is....

LOL


Cheney dithered in Afghanistan for 7 years while he and his oil buddies decided to go take over the Iraq oil fields, you know, since they were in the neighborhood.

"Cheney dithered in Afghanistan for 7 years while he and his oil buddies decided to go take over the Iraq oil fields, you know, since they were in the neighborhood."


Ahh the resident "Iranian" expert is chiming in. Blaming Cheney no less. Classic...

-Blaming Cheney no less

Jeff Gannon's idiot girlfriend was Deferment Dick's sock puppet for most of the 8 years, until Condie told GW that that was not a suppository up his ass.... and GW decided to listen to someone other than the Chickenhawk in Chief.

Blaming Cheney no less


Jeff Gannon's idiot girlfriend was Deferment Dick's sock puppet for most of the 8 years, until Condie told GW that that was not a suppository up his ass.... and GW decided to listen to someone other than the Chickenhawk in Chief.


#68 | Posted by Corky at 2009-10-23 01:22 PM | R


Followed up by the inevitable deflection of Bush and Jeff Gannon. Somehow they are relevant to Obama and his failure to make a decision on Afghanistan. Beautiful!!!

but, please continue to post your inanities so everyone can continue to see how ignant you is....


LOL

#65 | Posted by woke at 2009-10-23 01:10 PM |


No doubt I have a "long way" to go to match your ignorant skills. Getting further and further away after every one of your posts.

-Somehow they are relevant to Obama and his failure to make a decision on Afghanistan.

'Scuse me. I sometimes forget how context is irrelevant to rightwing ranting..... please continue.

but make sure you make a hasty decision on afghanistan...

The general provided his recommendation to WH in August...

In the last 60 days, how many parties at WH? How many appearances on Talk shows?

'Scuse me. I sometimes forget how context is irrelevant to rightwing ranting..... please continue.


You also forget shoving your foot in your mouth praising Obama and the Iran charade. Pretty much sums up any credence to your knowledge of Afghanistan, which is why you invoke Gannon and Company...

Cheney and Bush's excellent afghan war lasted longer than US involvement WW1 and 2 combined and longer than the Civil War. All wars that were won. Cheney and bush left afghanistan a clusterfuck but at least in Iraq they had the good sense to surrender to the Iranian sock puppet maliki.

btw There are rumors that Dick and daughter Mary are starting a lobbying company-
Dick and Dyke LLC. "Fuck you, but not her".


Of course, had there been a clean election in Afghanistan, we would likely already have this decision.

But since we pushed the rest button the other day, we will soon have a better idea of whether we will have an actual partner there who can hold the ground we take.

Until then, the whiny bitch Right will continue to try to make political hay over troops in the field.

#74 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-10-23 01:39 PM | Reply | Flag: Fiercely Funny flag

#74...

WTF does that have to do with Obama today and Cheney's claim of dithering? You think spewing the same crap over and over and over and over is somehow a intelligent or informative post? Or does it just make you feel all warm inside writing the 750th post that showing you hate Bush and Cheney, etc. etc. etc.

NorthBi, what does any of your arguments have to do with Obama inability/unwillingness to make a decision on a war that at the end of Aug he said was a "war of necessity, not one of choice"?

Would he be playing politics with the afgan strategy to gain votes for his Health care 'fix'?

-praising Obama and the Iran charade.

At least I'm not in the position of having to piss my pants and whine and moan when diplomacy does work.... as you are.

"Country First".... what a laugh!!

"But since we pushed the rest button the other day, we will soon have a better idea of whether we will have an actual partner there who can hold the ground we take."


"Until then, the whiny bitch Right will continue to try to make political hay over troops in the field."


What the hell about the time he has had prior to the election seven weeks ago?????? What is his excuse? Everything that was planned back in December 2008 has pretty much changed. When is he going to act on the changes??????

praising Obama and the Iran charade.


At least I'm not in the position of having to piss my pants and whine and moan when diplomacy does work.... as you are.


"Country First".... what a laugh!!


You call that working???lol Yeah so far it is working for the IRANIANS...

You are classic. Somehow Obama being played is succesful diplomacy and good for our Country? Are you serious????


We already know what happens when leaders don't stop to take into consideration their actions when putting our troops in harms way...... we call it the optional, preemptive Bush War in Iraq.

Republican Sec of State Gates has no problem with getting this right.... but I guess he failed to ask that internationally known expert on everything, Mr Critter.

Republican Sec of State Gates has no problem with getting this right.... but I guess he failed to ask that internationally known expert on everything, Mr Critter.
82 | Posted by Corky at 2009-10-23 01:51 PM

My little runaway, / Run, run, run, run, runaway. / I'm a-walkin' in the rain, / Tears are fallin' and I feel the pain,


Stick to your day job..... you have a voice like Harvey Fierstein... only not as melodic.

#84...

At least you admit to running away from a reply. Maybe you should quit defending Obama, if you can't answer a simple question

I have to laugh, for once I agree with cheney.

obama has lost my vote now and will not ever get it back.

either the troops need help and we send them help or we pull all of our troops out and no election changes this.

obama again has shown he is NOT A LEADER and could careless about our troops, not ever ever getting a vote from me.

Kick obama out!

-admit to running away from a reply.

When you have something other than specious, self-serving questions, please do get back to us.

admit to running away from a reply.


When you have something other than specious, self-serving questions, please do get back to us.
#87 | Posted by Corky at 2009-10-23 02:10 PM |


"What the hell about the time he has had prior to the election seven weeks ago?????? What is his excuse? Everything that was planned back in December 2008 has pretty much changed. When is he going to act on the changes??????"
#80 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-10-23 01:46 PM


What's funny is that Cheney can dither away, totally ignoring Afghanistan for 7 years, and Obama can install over 20K troops right after he gets in office, but there are always some Party First partisan fools who think the military timetable should run on a 24/7 cable news "now or never" agenda.

Pitiful, just pitiful

No corky,

what is funny is that you allow obama to play politics with our troops and that my friend shows some real political hacking.

What's funny is that Cheney can dither away, totally ignoring Afghanistan for 7 years, and Obama can install over 20K troops right after he gets in office, but there are always some Party First partisan fools who think the military timetable should run on a 24/7 cable news "now or never" agenda.


Pitiful, just pitiful
#89 | Posted by Corky at 2009-10-23 02:17 PM |

Why do you ignore the fact those troop levels were in line with the decision the DoD made back in Dec. 2008? What has Obama done different than those levels and original plans in place, that now seem to have changed in the last 10 months?

when obama flounders in afghanistan for 7+ years, that's when i'll take dick's advice for more what it is: posturing to salvage any hint of legacy.

way to point out the whole transferring of intelligence between administrations, dick. probably would have helped with that whole september morning thing, huh? hindsight is 20-20.

*more than...


Hey Cheney! STFU. You're not President and never were. You're not even VP anymore. Go back to your lurking and leave the decision making to elected officials.

-the decision the DoD made back in Dec. 2008

Actually, Cheney (bush) had commander in the field proposals for more troops in front of them since AUGUST of '08, but DITHERED away until Obama finally installed them in March.

Your pathetic partisan politicking aside.

-allow obama to play politics with our troops

You just want to out-antiwar the fringe Lefties, FunnyMoney. But you aren't good at even that.

"Go back to your lurking and leave the decision making to elected officials."


What decisions are they making? The decision to not make ANY decisions? Sounds like Obama is getting advice from Kerry...

the decision the DoD made back in Dec. 2008


"Actually, Cheney (bush) had commander in the field proposals for more troops in front of them since AUGUST of '08, but DITHERED away until Obama finally installed them in March."

Actually it was Gates who I referred to earlier and that includes the DoD in my retort. Stay on track if you are going to run. Those deflections are getting in your way....

Afghanistan needs its election settled before we make a decision. Funny how right wingers are whining when the country was ignored for 7 !/2 years by their own with the Taliban in control of 80%+ again when they left office.


Your whole mediocre mindset is a deflection of reality.

Only in GOPherville would a mess like Cheney made in Afghanistan be expected to be cleaned up by using the same strategerizing that got us there.

The really, really funny part is that you likely actually believe people like Cheney or Bill Bennett on this, when they would laugh at you in private for not discerning their political posturing.

Afghanistan needs its election settled before we make a decision.

Bullshit, if we need more troops cause the troops need help the election means nothing.

If the elections matter than what are we doing there?

"Afghanistan needs its election settled before we make a decision. Funny how right wingers are whining when the country was ignored for 7 !/2 years..."

This from the genius who claims Al Qeada recruitments are down because Obama was elected...

BTW... I think that line has been repeated a few hundred times on Drudge just in the last few months alone.... How about an original thought?

The really, really funny part is that you likely actually believe people like Cheney or Bill Bennett on this, when they would laugh at you in private for not discerning their political posturing.


#99 | Posted by Corky at 2009-10-23 02:40 PM

So I guess the answer is NOTHING. Fine. I will move on...

#100 | Posted by moneywar

Only right wing congressmen are calling for immediate troop increases. NATO and pragmatic people know it's best to define the mission and develop the strategy before doing so. Remember Iraq?

-This from the genius who claims Al Qeada recruitments are down because Obama was elected...


That was a different genius, 'cause I never heard it before.

But it does ring true, considing how well his Cairo speech was accepted in that part of the world.

-This from the genius who claims Al Qeada recruitments are down because Obama was elected...

That was a different genius, 'cause I never heard it before.But it does ring true, considing how well his Cairo speech was accepted in that part of the world.
#104 | Posted by Corky at 2009-10-23 03:11 PM |


Maybe because you are not Timex. Seeing as his retort was who I pasted and put quotations around...

But I would say your ridiculous last sentence is as foolish as his. Maybe you are not that far apart to respond for each other. Like you did in #104...

"What decisions are they making? The decision to not make ANY decisions?"

Deciding to wait for more information or to allow events to unfold is also a decision.

Life is a game of Chess not Checkers.

www.nytimes.com

Biden's take:

Mr. Biden shrugged off Mr. Cheney's point that the old administration left behind a review of Afghanistan.

"Who cares what " he said, and then stopped himself to find another way to put it. ("I can see the headline now," said the famously free-wheeling vice president. "I'm getting better, guys.")

But he went on to dismiss the Bush-Cheney review as inadequate. "That's why the president asked me to get in the plane in January and go to Afghanistan," Mr. Biden said. "I came back with a different review."

Moreover, he said, the Bush-Cheney review is now dated. "A whole lot has changed in the last year," Mr. Biden said. "Let's assume they left us a review that was absolutely correct. Is that review relevant and totally applicable to today in light of the changes that have taken place in the region, in Afghanistan itself? So I think that is sort of irrelevant. Not sort of I think it's irrelevant."

"That's why the president asked me to get in the plane in January and go to Afghanistan," Mr. Biden said. "I came back with a different review."


Hey Joe... Think maybe 9 months is long enough to decide what to do about the cahnges you saw??? Because right now all we see is the same levels and plans from late last year. Any idea when your boss is going to act like the fucking President??? Or are you and he going fall back to your do nothing jobs like you did as Chairs of Comittees over seeing Afghanistan??? Listen to the fucking generals on the ground. I know you and Obama never bothered to serve or have an ounce of military experience, how about listening to those who do????

The ex-Haliburton CEO knows more about resource hording than President Obama. Perhaps there is merit in his lack of confidence..

OUT OF AFGHANISTAN NOW!!!

If Cheney and the frat rat moron he strapped-on for had dithered, more than 4000 American men and women and God only knows how many Iraqis might still be alive today.

When a criminalistic sociopath like Cheney criticizes you for "dithering," Mr. Obama, please, keep on "dithering" -- in other words, actually giving horrendously important decisions about peace and war, life and death the attnetion and deliberatin ("dithering") they warrant.

Cheney still believes its more effective to ask questions after someone is dead.

sure doc
and WE ALL KNOW the real reason he is waiting and the safety of the men and woman dont mean a FUCK!

look for some sort of decision soon after the elections in VA and new jersey but I dont look for anything substantial until then
HIS LEFITSTS MASTERS wont allow him to choose between victory and defeat until those are over at a minimun.

watch for it.

and by the way...I HOPE IM WRONG

i wish this piece of excrement would go ahead and die of natural causes instead of wasting our tax dollars on keeping him alive.

# 113 posted by AFKABL i wish this piece of excrement would go ahead and die of natural causes instead of wasting our tax dollars on keeping him alive.
If you are talking about that piece of excrement in the White House now I agree with you...

Cheney is telling the truth about the child we supposedly have for a pea-brained leader that never should have been elected to destroy our nation.

Mr. five time draft dodger had seven years to fix Afghanistan only for it to become worse. You would figure that he would be too embarrassed to mention Afghanistan, but this is a man who also told us that Iraq had nuclear weapons. I can't imagine why anybody who interviews Cheney doesn't start laughing.

Cheney is telling the truth about the child we supposedly have for a pea-brained leader that never should have been elected to destroy our nation.

#115 | POSTED BY DR_FEELGOOD

yeah right say the guy defending a fucking fat man that shoots other men in the face hunting..

the turd looks like the penguin from the comic books.

GEORGE WILL TO CHENEY:
YOU SHOULD HAVE DITHERED BEFORE INVADING IRAQ

Conservative columnist George Will went after former Vice President Dick Cheney on Sunday, saying the Bush administration could have used some "dithering" before they invaded Iraq.

Will was responding to the VP's widely-circulated comment that President Obama was "dithering" on Afghanistan and putting troops in danger. On the contrary, Will said, it was hasty decisions that put people at risk.

"A bit of dithering might have been in order before we went into Iraq in pursuit of non-existent weapons of mass destruction," Will said on ABC's "This Week. "For a representative of the Bush administration to accuse someone of taking too much time is missing the point. We have much more to fear in this town from hasty than from slow government action."
www.huffingtonpost.com

Cheney is telling the truth about the child we supposedly have for a pea-brained leader that never should have been elected to destroy our nation.

#115 | Posted by Dr_Feelgood at 2009-10-24 11:27 PM | Reply | Flag:


....says the racist who believe interracial marriage should be banned.

(psssssst.....people, this one is a real loon)

hat never should have been elected to destroy our nation.

#115 | POSTED BY DR_FEELGOOD

Was that what the election was all about?

Had I known we were electing a man to "destroy our nation", I would have petitioned to have term limits removed so Bush could continue.

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