Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

JPMorgan and Citigroup are being sued for conspiring with education finance company Nelnet (NNI) to allegedly receive federal student loan subsidies by making false claims and illegally recruiting more borrowers, previously sealed court documents show.

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This is what happens when capitalism gets out of hand. Not enough regulation leads to people getting screwed.

Ironically, now that Citi is owned by the federal government, it'll be the Treasury cutting the checks.

It was so beautiful out today that I went for a mile walk - took all the neighborhood canines for protection! My little guy scored a bunny rabbit and a vole or shrew - whatever it was was mean.

What have you been up to this fine day, jackass?

What have you been up to this fine day, jackass?

#3 | Posted by nanc

Working. Slaving away to line the pockets of a greedy CEO.

thank you - someone has to keep the industrial machine going!

I swear these banks and mortgage companies are nothing but racketeers. They put the Mafia to shame.

Maybe this is another good time to shill for my "Public Trust Act". Anyone put in the position of public trust, found to have used that position to defraud the public for personal gain, should, upon conviction, be immediately sentenced to 3X the maximum sentence for that crime, with no chance of parole, and be sent to a real prison, not a Club Fed.

Note: as a trustee of two pension plans, I'd be subject to that law.

Ironically, now that Citi is owned by the federal government, it'll be the Treasury cutting the checks.


If you knew what you wer talking about, you would not make up shit like that.

It was so beautiful out today that I went for a mile walk - took all the neighborhood canines for protection!

How sad is it that you are fearful to walk in your own neighborhood?

If you knew what you wer talking about, you would not make up shit like that.

#8 | Posted by 2008
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The government owns 40% of Citigroup.

Lemme guess . . . you're a libbie, right? I'll bet so.

I only have 3 rules in finance.

The first rule is never deal with anything that has the name of CHASE!

The second rule is NEVER deal with ANYTHING that has the name of MORGAN!!

wish they could identify the guilty people and jail them... is that possible in this case??

The government owns 40% of Citigroup.

Ooooooh 40%. Far less than what your original post implied.

Lemme guess... you're an asshole, right? I guarantee so.

I can change, just by being more tolerant of dumb people. It would take you years to become smart.

"Ironically, now that Citi is owned by the federal government, it'll be the Treasury cutting the checks."

#2 | Posted by rightisWRONG


This is your BEST example of how smart you are?

Muh ha ha ha ha ha hah!

This is a GREAT example of those SMARTIES on the Right who are OBVIOUSLY winning the hearts and minds of the voters with this kind of 'truth.'

Keep up the GOOD WORK!!


[see retort article "POLLS: GOP has SHRUNK since Obama took office" for examples of your GOOD GOOD work!!!]

Still waiting to see the protelariat running throug the streets with dripping knives. Until that happens, nothing is going to change.

[see retort article "POLLS: GOP has SHRUNK since Obama took office" for examples of your GOOD GOOD work!!!]

#15 | Posted by Monstman
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Big deal. I left the GOP too. But it doesn't mean I'll be voting for any of the Dumbos anytime soon.

"It was so beautiful out today that I went for a mile walk"

Wow! Looks like This Obama Destroying America and Taking all Our money thingy is really working out for you too!

First we have Liberty University Building a Year Round Ski Center as if they are the Sheiks from Dubai --- all the while crying about how Obama is taking all our money. Then we have Limbaugh crying day after day how obama is taking our money, but simultaneously shopping for an NFL team.

To Fucking Funny.

Is their anything you stupid fucks say that you don't eventually Undermine?

Big deal. I left the GOP too. But it doesn't mean I'll be voting for any of the Dumbos anytime soon.

#17 | Posted by rightisright

I picture you standing on a corner like Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans handing out pamphlets.

Don't forget to mention you said debt as a % of GDP under Bush wasn't out of line or anything. Changed your tune fast, ya did, once Obama was elected.

If they made false claims and illegally stimulated the pipeline, they deserve to be punished!

"Don't forget to mention you [rightisright] said debt as a % of GDP under Bush wasn't out of line or anything. Changed your tune fast, ya did, once Obama was elected."

#19 | Posted by Timex


THANK YOU for noticing that little factoid!

I guess Right IS Right...

of the GOP!!


[the guffaws continue, ha ha hah]

I remember getting 5K back in 1983, without which I would not have completed my graduate degree. The people in the 'loan office' on campus acted like they were giving away drugs. Why wouldn't I take it? Seemed to be the question...they wanted me to take much more.

I knew whatever I borrowed had to be repaid with interest (like 14% at the time). NO I did NOT want more. In retrospect I suspect they were getting some incentive to originate student loans. Yuck....

Funny part was, back then many people did not repay them, even if they had the $$$. I heard a wealthy person once say " Pay off those SOB's" and it stuck. I HATE to go in debt, and avoid it like the plague!!

Before the 90's you could declare bankruptcy and weasel your way out of loans. Now they will garnish your wages if need be to get paid.

"I HATE to go in debt, and avoid it like the plague!!"

#22 | Posted by DavetheWave


Good for you! Thank you for making America stronger!

Wish more citizens would realize a little concept called thrift and save is what made America strong.

We need to get back to that way of thinking and quit hocking the future to the Chinese.

"Don't forget to mention you [rightisright] said debt as a % of GDP under Bush wasn't out of line or anything. Changed your tune fast, ya did, once Obama was elected."

#19 | Posted by Timex


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Except that I never said that.

Shouldn't be hard to provide a link, though. Go to archive.com, or google. Happy hunting.

The first rule is never deal with anything that has the name of CHASE!


I'll second that!

Humm...guess I should sell those 5000 shares of CIT I bought a few weeks ago.

OR maybe I'll wait for ChimpyII to bail them out some more. I love a good romance novel.

Perhaps you did not say that right, but since you DO claim to represent the right and the RIGHT IS known (blamed) for advocating this philosophy, I guess you bear the burden!

Never mind that but you seem like a straight shooter - let me ask you this - how many credit cards do you have?

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This is what happens when capitalism gets out of hand. Not enough regulation leads to people getting screwed.

I understand what you are saying, however it is up to us as the people to know enough not to sign the paper.
I'm not much older than the average student. I didn't go to school because I couldn't afford it and I knew it.


Our country is on an unsustainable system leading down a path towards failure. I think many of us can agree on that.

My Wife and I carried an annual credit card debt of %18 our gross income, at its worst, ($7,500/40,000.) After being late on payments our interest rate on 3 cards were all just under 30%. It is a fucking trap.

We have learned our lesson, (and we have done it in our late twenties). We have all cards paid off and we no longer pay for shit we bought 3 years ago or more. Excluding the house and the Wife's car, ($1,400 owed on the Subaru).

Living without debt is so nice. We lived broke to pay that shit off.

For that alleged 40% stake they paid 110% of their stock value, just like AIG and a bunch of others. Paulson's no strings giveaways. The largest in the history of mankind. Timed just at the end of Shrub's term. With Bernanke's full subterfuge and support. Its the least poor people can do for rich people. Its hilarious, and treasonous. But they're too important to be prosecuted.

I agree with the posts regarding paying off credit. I sincerely applaud you all who have managed to do that. **One note about Citi** : I've had an account with them for years. The account was sold to Citi, AT&T. I had a $21,000.00 limit. I missed 1 payment because I ddin't get a bill (not really their problem, but mine) my apr went from 12.99% to 29.99% after EIGHT years of being on time with payments. If you see "Citi", then run!!

After my divorce, I was so far under I thought I'd never see a day I wasn't in debt. I promised myself that by 2010 I would be completely debt-free, and in the five years since, I've paid off $465,000 in installment debts, mortgages, and car loans. I'm never getting in that trap again. NEVER. So the idea of using my tax dollars to bail out the big banks--you can imagine how I feel about all that. None of the banks were sympathetic to me when I had piles of debts and no means to pay them; over the last year we had a great opportunity to repay the favor.

But no. The banks were insolvent, but could find enough spare change to send to the Obama campaign, and get Tax-Dodgin' Timmy, the former head of the NY Fed, appointed Treasury Secretary.

Thank you for sharing that.

You really think they sent money JUST to Obama?

You know they grease both sides of the tracks.

Tax dodging timmy you have a good point there. He is a bit of a geek. He HAS contributed to calming the debt markets.

Geithner has a a good line about living withing our means. It IS always easier to talk the talk than to walk the walk.



He HAS contributed to calming the debt markets.

Calm is the worse thing we can have. Every day investors should be furious, as should we all. We need to deal with this NOW. I want people fucking mad. We are in for some shit one way or another. The longer we are calm, (pacified,) the more dire it will bee.

My Wife and I carried an annual credit card debt of %18 our gross income, at its worst, ($7,500/40,000.) After being late on payments our interest rate on 3 cards were all just under 30%. It is a fucking trap.

Maybe you should have paid your debitors on time.

When people I loan money too don't pay on time, I get pretty shitty with them.

Credit Card companies charge outragious rates because they can. Some folks just don't know how to manage money or their lives and they vote Obama so the big government can take care of them.


Bottom Line: Don't live beyond your means and Don't try to keep up with the Joneses...

President Barack Obama has taken some very real steps to help ordinary people, but his administration's efforts to save Wall Street have far outstripped any support of workers.

Regulatory reforms are moving through Congress at a snail's pace and the wreckage from the mortgage bubble is increasing. Wage cuts are more widespread today than in any era since the Great Depression, even as bankers capitalize on taxpayer bailouts to score epic profits and outsized bonuses.

One economy is for the rich and the upper middle class, the other economy is for everybody else.

So how can a few big banks make so much money while the rest of the economy suffers? The kind of banking that helps the economy is a simple business of taking deposits and making loans. But a lot of what we now call "banking" really just consists of making bets on just about anything you can dream up.

"Banks aren't using all this cheap money to increase lending. They're using it to fund bigger and bigger bets in the fixed-income secto, like junk bonds, credit default swaps, subprime loan securitization, interest rate carries, collateralized debt obligations, and all the rest of Warren Buffett's financial weapons of mass destruction.'"

The banks continue to gamble,only noe its with OUR MONEY. A host of big finance companies have reported earnings in the past week, and the numbers are ugly: JPMorgan Chase reaped $3.59 billion in third-quarter profits and Goldman Sachs is planning to payout $23 billion in bonuses from speculative trading, while Bank of America and Citigroup are hemorraging money on mortgages and credit cards. The Wall Street casino is alive and well, but anything that is actually tied to the real economy is a disaster.

According to a new report from the U.S. Treasury, lending among the largest recipients of the Troubled Asset Relief Program fell by 17% from July to August. Small businesses can't cope with the cutoff in financing.

#39 | Posted by nutcase

Spoken like a true "spread the wealth" liberal.

Keep looking in the mail for that welfare check! hahaha

#37 | POSTED BY BEACHBUZZ

You're telling me. No matter my reasons for being late, I was. I know now to save for expenses and not charge. Lessons learned. Now if the rest of us could do it...

I've been late too and payed that fucking $39 fee. As much as it sucks, credit card companies have the right to charge fees. We can bitch and whine all we want and it won't change. Every lawyer in town will tell you to just pay your bill on time. That is ALL you can do.

What does your mortgage company charge for late payments?

What does your insurance company charge for late payments?

What does your car loan company charge for late payments?

What does your electric company charge for late payments?





When I made 35K I said I can live better on 40K. When I made 40K I said I'll be all set at 50K when I made 50K I said I'll be ok at 60K and so on. It seems like I'm always 5-10K away from where I need to be and when I get there I'm still short on money.

Beachbuzz, I'm not blaming anyone but myself. Don't get me wrong.

But there is a double standard. When a schmuck loses his job and can't pay, the collections calls start immediately, and the bank starts to figure out if there's enough equity to foreclose on his house. Fair enough, that's just business.

So why doesn't the reverse hold true? If the same banks get into trouble, they run to Washington and ask for a zero-interest loan and government guarantees on their crappy paper.

Let them fail. Demand the TARP money back by Friday morning, or tell them the bank is going to be sold to the highest bidder.

The first rule is never deal with anything that has the name of CHASE! -- #11 | Posted by Monstman

With you there, but my second rule involves Citi, not Chase. I was one of the college students they were targeting a while back. Took years after cutting the cards up to pay them off at the interest rates they were charging.

"Let them fail. Demand the TARP money back by Friday morning, or tell them the bank is going to be sold to the highest bidder."

#44 | Posted by rightisWRONG


Bottom line is that you will ALWAYS complain no matter WHAT actions are taken.

You want it all to fail, the banks, the economy, the presidential administration and the country.

And for WHAT? so you can win an election?? You arent even prepared for that because you LEFT THE GOP remember?

What is all this FAILURE going to accomplish for me, for you and for the USA?

You're stupid. If a bank is too big to fail, it's too big. Doesn't it piss you off that trillions of dollars have been shoveled into these banks, just so they can keep banging on your door every time you're late with a credit card payment? Why are thousands of Main Street companies allowed to go broke, but Goldman Sachs gets a big bailout? Wouldn't it have been better for better-capitalized banks to take over the lousy ones? What did BushBama buy with our $2 trillion, except another round of huge bonuses, and a postponement of the inevitable?

Suits me though. Your Democratic Party is now the party of big banks, big hedge funds, and Hollywood. Hope you didn't need the money.

Your party henchmen need more Yes men like yourself, Monte. Goldman Sachs will pay out billions of dollars in taxpayer money from bonuses, and they won't even give you the courtesy of a Christmas Card.

"We're too big to fail! Help us!"

Remember when the Dems used to take things like trust-busting seriously? Maybe not. Most libbies have short memories these days.

You are making me laugh - you blame ALL this on DEMS alone!

Maybe that is why you quit the GOP because the big money has them by the balls also.

OH I get it you just LIKE to blame ALL political problems on the LEFT or LIBBIES or DEMS, THEN when it is pointed out to you that THE RIGHT DOES THE SAME DAMN THING your response is:

I QUIT THE GOP.

LOOKS LIKE YOU QUIT THE USA also since you want us all to fail.

You mentioned what makes me mad or what makes you mad but you still haven't answered the question - what is all this failure going to accomplish?

You gonna sit around after the downfall and groove on all the rubble?!?

Remember when the Dems used to take things like trust-busting seriously? Maybe not. Most libbies have short memories these days. -- #48 | Posted by rightisright

Hey, I'm a lib on your side on this one, but some of us are WAY too young to remember the days when Dems took trust-busting seriously. ;-)

Maybe this is another good time to shill for my "Public Trust Act"... -- #7 | Posted by Danforth

Hey Danforth,

Is there a website for this, an e-petition, or some other way to express support?

"Is there a website for this, an e-petition, or some other way to express support?"

I wish.

But since Congress is all guilty, I doubt it'd get much traction in DC.

LOOKS LIKE YOU QUIT THE USA also since you want us all to fail.

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You're a dumbass. Unless you work for Citigroup or Fannie Mae, I don't want you to fail, let alone all of us.

There's a moral hazard at work here. The BushBamaGeithnerPaulson effort is to reward banks with taxpayer money, commensurate with their horrible performance. The more crummy loans you've made, the more assistance you get.

In the past, a lousy bank would have been broken up, their assets sold for pennies on the dollar, and the ones that lose their money are the investors and owners of the bank. But no more.

I blame the Republicans more than Democrats, actually. Democrats have always been whores for the biggest buck; it's no accident that it's Democrats who represent big unions, big banks, big Wall Street, big government. But Republicans were supposed to be different.

It's amusing, though, that now libtards are saying that what's good for Citigroup is good for the USA, and if I don't think we should be shoveling more money their way, I must want America to fail. If Citi goes under, the terrorists win! Aaaaahhhhhh!!!!

RightIsRight

I found this in 1 minute the other night. Not gonna embarrass you by posting the plethora of similar comments you've made about the national debt when someone else was President. It was your guy who left it for us to pay off instead of paying it off, but that wouldn't be the rightisright way according to your past comments:

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The United States has a net worth of over %66 trillion, and assets of over $110 trillion. Which makes an $8.5 trillion national debt seem pretty insignificant in comparison.

Posted by rightisright at 2007-05-11 05:10 PM

Sorry. I simply don't see now, or then, the urgency to pay off government debt when long-term financing could be had for less than the inflation rate....

Posted by rightisright at 2007-05-11 03:59 PM

Our fed gov't has $9 trillion or so in bonded debt. But it owns over $19 trillion worth of those capital items.

Strange as it sounds, the US government is in about the same fiscal shape as the average US household. Which is to say, pretty good.

Posted by rightisright at 2007-11-07 10:55 PM - ($9 Trillion in debt then)

Timex,

Nice post, it clearly shows the hacking hackery of RIR without a care of what is actually going on with our nation.

Moneywar

It only took a minute to find that much. Went to Google and then Yahoo (where there was more) and simply typed 'rightisright drudge retort national debt'. It appears he was singing an entirely different tune when W was in.

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