Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

Maureen Dowd: In an interview with Alison Smale in The Times last week, Vaclav Havel sipped Champagne in the middle of the afternoon and pricked Barack Obama's conscience. Havel, the 73-year-old former Czech president, who didn't win a Nobel Peace Prize despite leading the Czechs and the Slovaks from communism to democracy, turned the tables and asked Smale a question about Obama, the latest winner of the peace prize. Was it true that the president had refused to meet the Dalai Lama on his visit to Washington? He was told that Obama had indeed tried to curry favor with China by declining to see the Dalai Lama until after the president's visit to China next month.

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First time in years that I've agreed with Mo D. rather than thinking of her as a more or less talented kid in a high school creative writing class who has her job because she's easy on the eyes for the creepy old editors and publishers at the NYT.

Well done.

If you turn your back on your ideals as the perfect being the enemy of the good in the name of compromise above all else, then you've lost your true north and are sailing without a compass. The President should always remember that.

Hagbard..................oh fuck it. Have a nice Sunday.

Have a nice Sunday.
#2 | Posted by nullifidian

You don't think this article was posted for you in particular, nulli?

Have a nice Sunday.

I would much rather flame rtards than my fellow travelers. :)

I would much rather flame rtards than my fellow travelers. :)
#4 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-10-18 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Check your compass.

:P

"If you turn your back on your ideals as the perfect being the enemy of the good in the name of compromise above all else, then you've lost your true north and are sailing without a compass. The President should always remember that."

Absolutely true, Hag...but if you look at it objectively, he's been doing this sort of thing all along. He has dissed the Czechs and Poles in favor of Russia, he has dissed Venezuela in favor of Chavez and Zelaya, he has dissed the Dalai Lama in favor of China, the Israelis in favor of their enemies...and the list goes on. It all has me wondering if it's all "compromise" or if his "true north" is something other than "compromise," if you know what I mean. I suspect his compass may be locked on leftist-socialism and he's right on course for the "transformation" he promised in the campaign.

#5 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-10-18 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag: Bait's not working

"It all has me wondering if it's all "compromise" or if his "true north" is something other than "compromise," if you know what I mean.

I suspect his compass may be locked on leftist-socialism and he's right on course for the "transformation" he promised in the campaign."

Okay, you and I must be on other sides of the looking glass, because from my view, the last time he even pretended to nod left was during the primary season. He campaigned in the general to the right of his primary agenda, and he's been governing to the right of even that since inauguration.

The left has been more or less abandoned, apart from a little lipservice here and there, for a while now, to the point that we've been labeled "whiners" for having the audacity to even bring it up.

You don't even see how his focus has been working with the republican party. He's been dissing his(?) "base" in an effort to be cooperative minded with the right. If the GOP wasn't solely interested in getting the power back, they'd be able to see it too, and they'd thank him for it.

Bait's not working

#7 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-10-18 12:49 PM | Reply | Flag: Spoken like a true Obama supporter

:-O

J/K

Ok, Hagbard, as Marx* said "this means war!" Hail Freedonia!

*Groucho, not Karl

The last man nearly ruined this place he didn't know what to do with it. If you think this country's bad off now, just wait till - Duck Soup

I get through with it.

"The left has been more or less abandoned, apart from a little lipservice here and there,..."

He has them in his pocket, REGARDLESS, and he knows that. He now desperately wants moderate and/or right leaner votes to pass his socialist health plan. You can't be serious to say he has been governing to the right. With government ownership of GM, Chrysler, BOA, the "czars"he has selected and eventual government control of public health...how can you even THINK that? Next comes Cap and Trade, card check for the unions, control of broadcasting...who knows what else. There isn't a "right" bone in this man's body or a "right" thought in his head. In the campaign he said to see the people with which he surrounds himself. Can you NOT see them? And you would consider these people moderates or rightists?

"Duck Soup"

You can download that for free at Btjunkie, Piratebay, etc. Enjoy!

"You can download that for free"

Nullifidian, the proud thief, instructing others how to steal.

Are you sending the artists any compensation at all, or are you still hiding behind the pretense you're doing to it get at the "corporate thieves"?

#15 | Posted by Danforth

Don't blame me folks. I just bait the hooks...

"I just bait the hooks.."

...and refuse to answer the salient questions.

Nullifidian likes to pretend he's a big man by standing for the artists against to the corporate bigwigs he calls "thieves". Yet he never considers sending the artists any compensation for what he steals; instead, the only thief in his equation is him.

Sent any compensation to the actual creators yet, Null?

Haven't forgotten about you, Hagbard. As soon as I finish off some brew, bbq, and buds...plus watch my freshly downloaded copy of Duck Soup...

I'll be back.

promises promises.

#14 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-10-18 04:39 PM


#15 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-10-18 04:41 PM

Wow. Do you Hollywood lobbyists have some email alert program?

"If you turn your back on your ideals as the perfect being the enemy of the good in the name of compromise above all else, then you've lost your true north and are sailing without a compass. The President should always remember that".

I think we can all agree on that. Don't see anything particularly controversial about this. Good article, Hagbard.

I think we can all agree on that. Don't see anything particularly controversial about this. Good article, Hagbard.
#21 | Posted by nullifidian

Bastard.

That's all I've ever been saying all along. Even if you aren't going to do what the idealists suggest, you can't stop listening to them. You can't make them feel like they aren't getting your ear. You must remember that they, in their own way, are giving voice to the ideals to which you give lipservice to in order to amass critical threshold of support but then which you try to reduce attention to so you can deal with republicans. Republicans who aren't going to truly compromise with anyone to the left of Arlen Specter.

So to call the left of the party "whiners" is to give your own party members less respect than you're willing to give to the other side of the aisle. That is a dangerous way to go, and deeply offensive to the yellow dogs, who think that the President seems ready to fight his political battles on two fronts.

Wow. Do you Hollywood lobbyists have some email alert program?
#20 | Posted by nullifidian

Isn't that what RSS is for?

Bastard.

lol

Too bad we don't have signature files here, like most 21th century blogs.

Hagbard could attach a "Don't blame me, I voted for Nader" sig file.

"Bastard."
lol
#24 | Posted by nullifidian

*pulls the hook out of the water and examines it.

Damn, hook is clean again.

That crafty little Obamafish.

Hagbard could attach a "Don't blame me, I voted for Nader" sig file.

#25 | Posted by nullifidian

Slacked for 24 hours and missed the chance to see Nader speak tonight at 92nd Street Y on Universal Single Payer.

That signature would read: "Don't blame me, I voted for Nader... Again.... and Again."

That signature would read: "Don't blame me, I voted for Nader... Again.... and Again.


Yeah. And that accomplished what, other than getting George Bush elected twice?

And if you got your wish, Nader would've received double or triple the votes and then Johnny Bomb Bomb and the crazy bitch would be in the Whitehouse today picking Supreme Court justices.

And for what? So you can maintain your ideological purity and say "Don't blame me, I voted for..."

That seems rather self-indulgent and selfish. People in the real world have to live their day-to-day lives under actually existing governments. Most of them don't follow politics. Supreme Court rulings sometimes really actually have an impact on people's liberties. A Mccain nominee is probably a vote to overturn Roe. An Attorney General who stops prosecuting medical cannabis users has an impact. And so on and so forth.

"People in the real world have to live their day-to-day lives under actually existing governments. "

Spot on, man.

"Yeah. And that accomplished what, other than getting George Bush elected twice?"

We're not starting that conversation again. A dozen more egregious crimes were committed... than a man standing up for what he, and millions of others believed was right and deciding to run for President.

"And if you got your wish, Nader would've received double or triple the votes and then Johnny Bomb Bomb and the crazy bitch would be in the Whitehouse today picking Supreme Court justices."

My wish was that Democrats have an energized and active base that worked toward their ideals, at the very least. That was the whole point all along. Nader ran on the ideals of the Democratic party in a plea not to forget them. The majority of the country agreed with every item on his platform, when the proponent of said planck was unidentified, in greater percentages than the differences between the GOP/DNC on their platforms.

Steal this Candidate was Nader's whole point.

"People in the real world have to live their day-to-day lives under actually existing governments. Most of them don't follow politics. Supreme Court rulings sometimes really actually have an impact on people's liberties."

Definitely 95% of the problem. If more people followed politics on the regular, even just the people who vote at least every four years, the government would be better. Who knows what the makeup of the government would look like under those conditions. Democrat... Republican... it wouldn't really matter.

"Steal this Candidate was Nader's whole point. "

Yeah, right. Nader's position was, adopt my platform, or else I'll campaign against the Democrat and target swing states.

Any Democrat would've looked like a wimp agreeing to Nader's terms. You live in fantasy land.

"Any Democrat would've looked like a wimp agreeing to Nader's terms."

I disagree.

Dissing the Dalai was part of a broader new Obama policy called "strategic reassurance" softening criticism of China's human rights record and financial policies to calm its fears that America is trying to contain it. (Not to mention our own fears that the Chinese will quit bankrolling our debt.)
Peace Prize Material

Awhile back I was blasted by someone (who I won't mention) for mentioning the appeasement policy (and it's a broad one) of Obama. Havel obviously sees it. However, really dangerous is an appeasor with (possibly) a narcissistic personality disorder. Cogitate and ruminate on that possibility.

Nullifidian, the proud thief, instructing others how to steal.

Damn. Some people just can't let shit go, eh Null?

"Some people just can't let shit go"

And some people can't answer a question directly. Null pretends he's all for the artists, against the "corporate thieves", yet won't answer if he sends the artists the money directly when he steals their property, or if, in his equation, he's the only thief.

#36 | Posted by Danforth

Don't sue me, bro!

Havel obviously sees it. However, really dangerous is an appeasor with (possibly) a narcissistic personality disorder. Cogitate and ruminate on that possibility.

#34 | Posted by matsop at 2009-10-19 11:23 AM

Don't conflate Obama with his more overzealous supporters. Like good little liberals they want nothing more than an authority figure to fawn over. (lol)

Obama, as in the person, not the "movement," has been pretty down to earth. (speaking relatively about a politican of course)

^.^

Actually, I disagree with the premise of the Dowd article. There has been virtually NO consensus on the issues of Obummer's presidency, in part because the Liberalista Dems have not opened the discussion up to Republicans with proposals.

The problem is, Dowd was right in saying that there's been too little action. From my point of view, that's fine ... a Liberalista president who gets nothing done for four years would be an excellent demonstration of the ineffectiveness of the Democrat party. The fewer of Obummer's policies that get enacted, the better.

Obummer should have taken the promise he made to open things up to opponents as well as alllies, and he should have used any such talks with Republicans to put enough goodies in his policies to bring them on board. This has not happened.

Thing is, Obummer wants it both ways. He wants his policies and credit for them, but he wants bipartisan "support" so someone else can take the blame for passing unpopular programs.

John B.
www.politicscity.com

Pretty clear that Elvis said it best.
www.youtube.com

Dowd: Too Much Consensus, Too Little Action

Dowd-I have doubt about your conclusions.

Using Vaclav Havel as an example of anything (especially morality) is absurdity promoted to a liberal art. With all due respect, Havel's personal story not withstanding, you can not peddle his credibility as a go to guy on these issues. For reasons too complex to explain here, Havel should be left in the past as a person who was an odd man living a life that intersected a piece of an odd historical event.

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