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Florida Democrat U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson wants Americans to help him block Congress from confirming the Chairman of the Federal Reserve to his second term unless he hands over documents relating to the bailouts of financial institutions, including the rescue of Bear Stearns. In the "Unmask the Fed" campaign, Grayson calls on constituents to sign petitions demanding that Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke "come clean" before senators re-confirm his appointment to the helm of the Federal Reserve.

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While I disagree politically with the guy including his ridiculous statement he made on the Nobel Prize issue, he couldn't be more right on this issue.

He also recently raised strong questions on the issue of the vast fraud of virtually every top government contractor.

this seems entirely reasonable.

Going with the old addage...
if you haven't got any thing to hide then you shouldn't fear disclosing what was done.

Every time someone says, i aint tellin, thats when our ears should prick up.

Democrat or Republican.

we should have made cheney tell us all who was in on the energy negotiations

We should also make this administration responsible for the bail out program.

Our dollar will collapse. The Fed will be 'unmasked.'

The sooner we deal with this the less painful it will be.

Geitner refuses to use "toxic assets", instead referring to repackaged bad loans as something like "risk rebalancing". The Fed are quite encyclopedic in their use of deceptive practice. I expect a new terminology for their bank monopolizing to sound patriotic like "institution of a fiduciary brotherhood brigade".

Grayson is right to use this moments leverage to try and get some much needed answers about the Fed and especially about the specific details of the bailouts that have been clouded in a haze of secrecy from the get-go.

Go get 'em, Grayson.

Sic!

Be Well.

Oh yes... how do I help, where do I sign up?

If the Fed unmask turns out anything like Kiss Unmasked, we should encourage them to keep the mask on.

I wish him all the luck he needs but it ain't gonna happen.

Pineapple head Grayson to unmask the federal reserve, ha,ha,ha, that's only half of what all America has been hoping for and no one has ever bucked the system to do so. The Federal Reserve is not a branch of the U.S. government at all it is a privately operated banking organization that prints money out of thin air, no tangable backing of gold or silver, or anything. They have never been held accountable, and I would love to see them shut down, and completely done away with.
Constitutionally our congress is the only enity that is elgible to print and coin money in the U.S.
It's PAST time we got back to acknowledging our Constitution, which idiot obama is continually taking away piece by piece every second of every day, and anticipates to replace with the Quran.

just like I want the truth about 9/11. they both are great in theory and horrible in application.

good luck.

Attacking the federal reserve, sounds like a smart guy.....:)

Opening a Pandora's Box. Once it's opened it can't be closed again no matter what the consequences are.
Better think this through is all I'm saying.


Sure, danni, we have existed on corruption and borrowed money for 100 years, why stop now?

Now is a perfect time to expose the true nature of the illegal and unethical cartels that have taken the place of the will of the american people.

Just read the words of the man that signed the federal reserve act into law;

"I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson, after signing the Federal Reserve into existence


I understand all that Lipzooidial and I would like to eliminate the leeches too but I just think we need to be very careful how we go about it. We sure don't want to greatly undercut the value of the dollar and that is a real risk here. I have visions of pre-war Germany and wheelbarrows full of worthless money.

I have visions of pre-war Germany and wheelbarrows full of worthless money.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-16 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

You DANNI have delusional visons. If you are so concerned about the devaluation of the dollar, you would not be singing the praises of the man printing bills at a breakneak pace and expanding government. Idiot.

It's just political wrangling.

A show.

The 'fed' can buy any politician they want, and this guy is just as bought.

What a sham.

Ron paul too.

And a lot of suckers buy it.

We sure don't want to greatly undercut the value of the dollar and that is a real risk here.

You have some catching up to do, Danni. The Fed has done nothing BUT undercut the value of the dollar. Approximately 98% since its existence.

It's the greatest Ponzi Scheme in the history of finance. It requires a continuous stream of new debt to come into the system to pay off the old debt (principle plus interest). As such, it's mathematically impossible to sustain indefinitely. The American debt ridden economy finally hit that wall.

The Fed has done nothing BUT undercut the value of the dollar. Approximately 98% since its existence.

--Department of Meaningless Statistics

Department of Meaningless Statistics

Why is that?

I agree with Ray, why is it meaningless to know that my grandfather was able to buy a loaf of bread for a nickle and it takes me 2 bucks?

Why is it meaningless to know that a stock that was claims to be worth 100 bucks is worth about 2 bucks in my grand dad's money. Or more specifily why is a stock that sold for 2 bucks in my grandpappy's day and now sells for 100 bucks and claims 5000% growth has really not moved at all?

What exactly do you consider meaningful?

What exactly do you consider meaningful?

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The fact that before this country was busy trying to empire the fucking planet; we had the best education system, were responsible for most of the genuine science, and just about the best standard of living of any major country on earth.

The american people allowed it to be wasted on football and dreams of conquest.

We sure don't want to greatly undercut the value of the dollar and that is a real risk here. I have visions of pre-war Germany and wheelbarrows full of worthless money.

What do you think TARP and stimulus are doing?

It's just political wrangling.

A show.

The 'fed' can buy any politician they want, and this guy is just as bought.

What a sham.

Ron paul too.

And a lot of suckers buy it.

So just kill yourself already and forget about it, emolicious.

FYI

"Foreigners have sold a net $38.9 billion of US bonds and equities in the last 12 months. Foreign Central banks have sold $14.7 billion of US investments in the last 12 months. We will be issuing $1 trillion of debt in the next year. If foreigners are selling, who will buy the debt? No one. The Federal Reserve will have to monetize the debt."

Monetization means the Fed writes a check to pay for the bonds and deposits it in Treasury's account. That would be like me becoming a millionaire by writing a check to myself for a million dollars.

It means inflation ahead and a further drop in the dollar.

If he really wanted to make waves, he could demand the resignation of Tim Geithner.

Then again, that might make Obama uncomfortable. This way, see, he's able to pretend to be tough on the Fed, while not, really.

Opening a Pandora's Box. Once it's opened it can't be closed again no matter what the consequences are.
Better think this through is all I'm saying.

#13 | Posted by danni

You need to read 'the creature from jeckle island'.

Better Not Fly Al!!!

A Good Las Vegas Bet: Alan Greyson is going to end up like Paul Wellstone?


The administration and the fed both want a cheaper dollar since they understand the only way out of our tremendous debt is through a cheaper dollar and inflation. The only difficulty is we're creating more and new bubbles and creating a dollar "carry trade" instead of the previous "yen carry trade." Ultimately, the fed won't know when to exit the low rates we have and we're going to get a lot more inflation then we would desire. Then you pour the policy mistakes from Washington on the fire and you're never going to get from under the weight of the debt. They know it's "inflate or die."

The fed was a big part of the great depression and one of the major reasons why we're in this mess. It's time this country seriously thinks about abolishing the fed and develop another way of controlling money creation in this country.

The fed was a big part of the great depression and one of the major reasons why we're in this mess. It's time this country seriously thinks about abolishing the fed and develop another way of controlling money creation in this country.

Read "For Us the Living" by RAH he had the way back in 1938. I have posted it on here so many times I'm not going to bother again, just read and enjoy.

Of course he had a lot of good ideas that have been pretty well ignored by us the living. We did pick up on the waterbed though so maybe it's not all a loss.

What exactly do you consider meaningful?

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The fact that before this country was busy trying to empire the fucking planet; we had the best education system, were responsible for most of the genuine science, and just about the best standard of living of any major country on earth.

The american people allowed it to be wasted on football and dreams of conquest.

#23 | Posted by Shawn

You nailed it bro. And now we are worthless.

Quran.

#10 | Posted by Dr_Feelgood


I was with your points until you said 'Quran'...

I thought it was the Rothchilds that controled the Fed. Diligently working to bankrupt America.

Barney Frank says Grayson & Paul will prevail.

But these reports are ALWAYS so heavily redacted as to outright lies.

before this country was busy trying to empire the fucking planet

You mean before the Mexican-American War or the Spanish American War

There are some articles that point out the Rothschilds as some of the shareholders of the fed through their banking ownership.

Those wars didn't bankrupt the country.

I wonder who got Lehman Bros shares of the Fed?

You mean before the Mexican-American War or the Spanish American War

They didn't bankrupt the country, but the Spanish-American War marked America's transition to foreign wars. The brutal suppression of the Philippines gave the American military machine a foothold in Asia.

With the unconstitutional authority to create money by merely writing checks, the Federal Reserve can finance government deficits of any size. The accumulation of new money is the direct cause of the price inflation we are familiar with since the 70s. Understand that inflation is a hidden tax on your savings. It is what has allowed government deficit spending to go unchecked.

As history teaches, inflation destroys the value of currency. It's a gradual erosion process that has lasted in our case almost a hundred years. But make no mistake. Every country that started this fraudulent practice, could not stop until its currency became worthless.

The sooner you prepare for it, the easier you'll whether the dollar crises to come.


Ray, I agree with most of your economic musings (except the part about a total crash).

Everything is relative and the economy is a 'zero-sum gain' game.

Who cares if a loaf of bread costs $1000 when you make $100000 per hour?

That is why it is very difficult to own gold and other precious metals. That gold you bought for $1000/oz (or 1000 loaves of bread) now costs $1 million/oz (1000 loaves of bread).

That $1000 cash you saved used to buy 1000 loaves of bread when you saved it, but without compound interest, now, that cash only buys one loaf of bread. With compound interest, it grows and becomes 1 million dollars cash and still buys 1000 loaves of bread.

Professional make 100 loaves of bread per hour, laborers make 10, regardless of the numeric 'value' placed on them.

Lip

You don't want to be wrong about this. The fact is that wages have been falling behind the cost of living since the 70s. Consumers tried to make up the difference with debt, which only increased their debt load. Now we're seening an acceleration of bankruptcies and foreclosures.

Americans are being crushed in a vice between falling asset values, falling wages and rising commodity costs. The middle class is shrinking.

Inflation can't go to unfinity. No economy can function under the conditions you describe. I don't know what the bottom will look like, but I know that the sooner one trades paper assets for tangible assets, he'll some something of value to buy food with when the masses have nothing.

Rationalize all you want. I know my history. It might do you well to investigate on your own. There is a wealth of material on the web.

"The fact is that wages have been falling behind the cost of living since the 70s."

And,not coincidentally so have taxes. Employers know that if a man is willing to work for X dollars, then if you cut his taxes he will be willing to do the same job for X-the amount of the tax cut. Also, if you give an incentive to the wealthy to put their money in stocks instead of reinvesting profits into their companies that is exactly what they will do. When we finally raise taxes on the wealth to the levels before Reagan we will begin paying down debt, wages will begin to rise and the economy will start to recover.

The fact is that wages have been falling behind the cost of living since the 70s. Consumers tried to make up the difference with debt, which only increased their debt load

That's correct, Ray, but missing some details. In the 70s, American capitalists opted out of their postwar agreement to immunize American workers against foreign ideas like socialism, by making them middle class homeowners.

Danni - There are people who reach a stage in life where they are incapable of learning abstract knowledge. Usually, it stops with formal education. When learning stops, they repeat the same nonsense like a parrot, despite contrary evidence. You are one of those kind. There is no point in repeating what I've told you countless times before.

What I said to Danni applies to Nulli too.

RAy, you never had an original thought in your life. I post my opinions which I dare you to try and find some source from which I derive them. I have said the exact same thing since Ronnie RAygun first starting growing the debt with his tax cut. It isn't hard to see when America started going down the wrong path, wages began stagnating with Reagan and it has just gotten worse under Bush and what do both have in common??? Big tax cuts for the wealthy. Go back to Von Mises and get some more nonsense for your game of monopoly or whatever it is you play and leave the real world economy to those who understand that ideologies like Austrian economics would create the longest and deepest depression in history.

This has nothing to do with Mises. It's basic high school accounting. The federal government has been accumulating debts since the Civil War. Now they are impossible to pay off. America is broke, busted, insolvent, bankrupt. There isn't enough money in the world to pay our debts. How many ways do I have to say it? Don't argue with me or Mises. Argue with the math.

Go back to Von Mises and get some more nonsense for your game of monopoly or whatever it is you play and leave the real world economy to those who understand that ideologies like Austrian economics would create the longest and deepest depression in history.

Just so we are clear. When we get to the longest depression in history, you won't be able to blame Austrian Theory.

Just so we are clear Ray, I've know people who spout the same nonsense you do most of my life.
When do you start the rants about Jewish bankers scheming to take over the world???

Ray, it's obvious you have a good grasp of economics and what got us to where we are. There is going to be no easy way out of the dilemma we're in and the policies (attempted) being created in Washington are going to fall under the "laws of unintended consequences" and will create a bigger problem in the future. Also for those that blame capitalism we haven't seen capitalism in this country for years. Wallstreet has been on welfare for years.

"I have said the exact same thing since Ronnie RAygun first starting growing the debt with his tax cut."

Cutting taxes increased revenue to the government. It was the SPENDING, Danni, that increased the debt. It happened under JFK, Reagan and George W. Bush. It's the same thing in EVERY administration. Regardless of the revenue we just spend more and go deeper into debt. We're about to set a record...

Just so we are clear Ray, I've know people who spout the same nonsense you do most of my life.
When do you start the rants about Jewish bankers scheming to take over the world???

As history demonstrates, nations are run by psychopaths of all nationalities, races and religions.

"Also for those that blame capitalism we haven't seen capitalism in this country for years. Wallstreet has been on welfare for years."

And it's not just Wall Street that's been on welfare...gotta buy them votes, ya' know.

And its' the middleclass that gets caught in the middle. Thomas Jefferson had it right about how a central bank will ultimately result in loss of freedom and the subjugation of people.

Danni and Nulli think they are above this. But for those interested in understanding the mathematics of debt, Dr. Bartlett explains the exponential function in an eight part series on YouTube.

It will give you an idea of what to expect from the insanity of the feds trying to borrow and spend their way out of a problem caused by too much borrowing and spending.

www.youtube.com

They're in the process of weakening the dollar and creating enough inflation to pay down debt with a depreciated dollar. What I don't get is how their policies (healhcare, etal) will just add more to the debt powderkeg and they don't have a clue. Man, I love the precious metals with these guys in power.

Here Danni. Another excellent presentation for you to ignore.

Exponential Money in a Finite World


Opening a Pandora's Box. Once it's opened it can't be closed again no matter what the consequences are.
Better think this through is all I'm saying.

#13 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-16 03:17 PM

Translation: Let's keep our heads in the sand, it's safe here.

. I have visions of pre-war Germany and wheelbarrows full of worthless money.

#15 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-16 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag:


Taint no stoppin it.

You need a wheelborrow though. Just some kind of mark.

ooops. You won't need a wheelbarrow though. Just some kind of mark.

Two major events got us to where we are today, economically. The first was the creation of the Federal Reserve in 1913 and the second was when Nixon took us off the gold standard in 1971. That essentially was the beginning of the end. Fiat currencies eventually don't hold their value while gold (and silver) will always be stores of value.

Thank you, Congressman Grayson. This has been needed since the Bush administration started this whole economic "crisis" scam. Too bad my party finds it convenient to continue the hoax.
Pauleson should be imprisoned for his AIG fraud.

It is an established fact that the United States Federal Government has been dissolved by the Emergency Banking Act, March 9, 1933, 48 Stat. 1, Public Law 89-719; declared by President Roosevelt, being bankrupt and insolvent. H.J.R. 192, 73rd Congress m session June 5, 1933 - Joint Resolution To Suspend The Gold Standard and Abrogate The Gold Clause dissolved the Sovereign Authority of the United States and the official capacities of all United States Governmental Offices, Officers, and Departments and is further evidence that the United States Federal Government exists today in name only.

The Bankruptcy of The United States
United States Congressional Record, March 17, 1993 Vol. 33, page H-1303

There aren't too many more rabbits for the federal gov. to pull out of their hats to "save" this country. Watch the smoke and mirrors in Washington. The poor consumer, many of whom are living on the precipice, are going to get hit with taxes, under the guise of "global warming and health-care reform" and other proposed straw men. The gullible whether lemmings of either party will soak it up and nothing of real substance will be accomplished.

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