Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

Finding character witnesses when you are 6 years old is not easy. But there was Delaware schoolchild Zachary Christie last week at a school disciplinary committee hearing with his karate instructor and his mother's fianc by his side to vouch for him. Zachary's offense? Taking a camping utensil that can serve as a knife, fork and spoon to school. He was so excited about recently joining the Cub Scouts that he wanted to use it at lunch. School officials concluded that he had violated their zero-tolerance policy on weapons, and Zachary was suspended and now faces 45 days in the district's reform school.

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There is one positive out of this story...He is learning to question and dislike the government at a very young age.

Another victim of ban-happy liberals.

Zero tolerance = Zero intelligence.

Conservatives should love that.

he might as well have brought his chainsaw.

A 45 day school suspension for a 6 year old? Come on.

You can't even testify in court under age 7 as the law feels anyone under the age of 7 is not really able to distinguish right from wrong. Age 6 is barely older than a toddler.

I think in this case a good "talking to" by the principal, a call to his parents, and maybe a 15-minute "time out" in the corner would have more than than sufficient punishment.

I think in this case a good "talking to" by the principal, a call to his parents, and maybe a 15-minute "time out" in the corner would have more than than sufficient punishment.

Honestly, even that strikes me as excessive. What were his intentions? To show his pride in becoming a scrub scout. He brought silverware to school. SILVERWARE!

Also an important point which needs to be discussed when this 6 yo appears before the school board is what in his 6yo mind did he actually think he was bringing to school -- an eating utensil or a weapon? I'm going to guess he thought of it only as an eating utensil.

He's only six years old and wanted to show all his little school chums his three-way "all in one" eating utensil because he thought it "was cool."

Hey I'm, err, well let's just say I'm older than six and I use to carry this Swiss Army Knife in my purse for the very same reason the six year old did -- I thought it "was cool" and maybe I might at some time need one of the many utensils on it. It was really neat too. Had everything built in it -- from small scissors to a magnifying glass. And so precision made everything fit perfectly into each slot.

So I feel unless the school officials can prove this six year old's mind even thought of this as being a possible "weapon" in the first place -- as opposed to being only an "eating utensil" -- the school doesn't have a leg to stand on legally.

Yahoo currently has a link that does not require a sign in.

This is brilliant: Teach the kid that eating utensils are really for stabbing people then send him off to reform school with the rough kids.

From the article



Still, some school administrators argue that it is difficult to distinguish innocent pranks and mistakes from more serious threats, and that the policies must be strict to protect students.


FIRE THESE LOSERS NOW!

"I wish this had happened in Texas so I could whine about it"

Dullifidian

Yes--this kid a terrorist from the renowed "CUB SCOUTS" group!!!

Remember the old thing called a compass that you use to draw circles with? And it had the end with the pencil clipped in there and the other end was long and pointed and sharp. I wanted to stab the principal in the eye with mine. Do they still have them?

A Swiss Army knife is a weapon? I thought it was a tool. If they are going to start calling them weapons then it is time to start suspending kids that wear belts, take pencils to school, or have sharp corners on their text books. Could do as much or more damage to other kids with those.

Do they still put those metal strips on the edge of rulers? Cut myself pretty bad with one of those once.

this is ridiculous.

the school board is now going through with the farce because they dont want to admit to the fact that they are indeed morons.

Unfortunately for them, the only thing that would have proven otherwise was to have apologized to the family, and to return the child to school.

#5 | POSTED BY CALIFCHRIS AT 2009-10-12 05:01 PM | REPLY | FLAG

chis..
for what?
this isnt an issue of did the kid bring a weapon to school. It is an issue of what planet are these administrators from?

A fork and a Knife are not a Switchblade and a 9mm
hand gun.

When I was in third grade I took my Remington .22 caliber single-shot rifle to show-and-tell.

This is simply insane.

VALISK

I'm totally confused by your #15.

I'm not trying the 6 year old in court. I agree with you. The school board are idiots.

When I was talking about "state of mind" and did the 6 year old think of it as a weapon or food utensil I may have given the impression I thought the little boy should be "tried" for his "crime" but that wasn't the case at all.

I merely pointed out how a court of law would not allow a child of 6 to even testify in court as a child that age is legally considered to not yet fully know right from wrong.

So merely meant to highlight the point how ridiculous it was to treat a child that age as if he had the intention to use his Cub Scout food utensil as anything but a food utensil and certainly not as a weapon.

I'm with you on this one -- 100%. The school went way overboard on this one. The parents should demand a retraction and the suspension totally erased off the little boy's school record.

"It was really neat too. Had everything built in it -- from small scissors to a magnifying glass. And so precision made everything fit perfectly into each slot."

I still have mine... bought it in Montreal on a Grade 11 class trip.

A Cub Scout knife?

Give me a break.

It's not like the kid brought a car antenna to school.

Let me guess... these same schools, probably provide students with a metal knife and fork with lunch. Either of which would probably do MORE damage...

Quick, arrest the lunch lady for trafficking in illegal weapons!!!

Hilarious, the shit the left dream up. I guess the reason for the strict rules is that no one that works for a school has a damn brain in their head.

Just another reason to scrap the current system and build a better one in its place.

It's not like the kid brought a car antenna to school.

He would've gotten 90 days for that.

I took ham radio antennas to school in the sixth grade. Car antennas came a bit later.


When antennas are outlawed, only outlaws will have antennas.

When antennas are outlawed, only outlaws will have antennas.

#22 | Posted by Zatoichi

Comedy gold!

"There is one positive out of this story...He is learning to question and dislike the government at a very young age.

#1 | Posted by IraqiBukkake"


Not exactly. He's in the scouts afterall.

"I wish this had happened in Texas so I could whine about it"

Dullifidian

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-12 07:42 PM | Reply | Flag: Troll throwing first barb; Hypocrit

i remember back in third grade one boy planted a sharp pencil in a girl he didn't like.

leave it to the NEA to outlaw pencils soon.

I for one am glad this kid got busted. Everyone's making a big fuss that he got in trouble for a cub scout tool. What the local and national news don't point out is that the tool didn't just have a spoon and fork. Of course, they only pull out the spoon and fork for the TV cameras. The damned thing also has a three inch pocket knife blade.

I don't care who you are or where you come from, that's a weapon. Don't believe me, stab yourself with a three inch pocket knife blade on youtube and show me how you don't bleed at all. Show me how one of those stuck into your neck wont sever the jugular. Better yet, stab yourself on the inner thigh and show me how it doesn't sever your femoral artery.

Sure, the penalty was stiff, but come on. The parents knew he had the tool with him. They knew it wasn't just a fork and spoon and can opener. The school is right for saying that intent is not considered when meting out punishment. A kid could bring a tool like that to school with no intent, then get hit in the face in a game of dodgeball and grow some serious intent real quick.

Good call school system. Frankly, the parents should be embarrassed.

Zero tolerance is a liberal perversion that allows them to avoid applying reason to situations.

"Those shoes are gang colors kid, your out!"

"huh? granny gave me these for my birthday"

"Tough! punk. I saw those on gangland yesterday! Your going down!"

"whaaaaa"

"Send that 1st grader to the hole until the Christmas Pageant."

"Oh crap! Did I say Christmas? I meant the Holiday, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Winter Solstice recess."

Listen I carried all kinds of knives when I was in school in the 70's 80's and 1990 and 1991. Not one time did I get suspended nor expelled for having a weapon in school. I know a few times I had as many as 6 knives on My person and nobody did shit to Me. Students knew I had them TEACHERS knew I had them. Hell if they needed to cut something open they took My knife and did their thing and I got it back when they were through with it. This is absurd to the nth degree. Oh and for those of You who declare it's only Liberal schools who do stupid shit like this many a conservative school system behaves the exact same way so don't give me that shit. This whole thing stinks to high heaven. The fucking kid was PROUD of joining the cub scouts and wanted to express that love by eating His lunch with this scouting tool. What bastards now the kid is going to be scarred for a good long time.


Larry

It wasn't unusual to see rifles in a gun rack in the back of pickup trucks in the student parking lot where I went to HS.

It wasn't unusual to see rifles in a gun rack in the back of pickup trucks in the student parking lot where I went to HS.

or sophomore girls with kids and other symbols of reneck hell..

or sophomore girls with kids and other symbols of reneck hell..

Out of my graduating class of 455, I remember 2 girls who got knocked up. They were both seniors.

So I would have to say you are wrong, badger. Sorry to burst your little stereotypical bubble. I hope you can deal with it without too much emotional trauma.

Share with us other symbols of redneck hell your little fantasy contains. I would probably find them amusing.

Put down the Dukes of Hazard CDs and step away from the TV. Your brain will be a lot safer.

If I were the kid's teacher I would have simply taken the implement away for the day, returning it to the kid and his parents later, and would have kept the school's administration out of it. Afterall, those wingnuts were requiring permission slips of students to allow them to listen to an address by the President a short time ago.

#27 - "I don't care who you are or where you come from, that's a weapon."

It is only a weapon if it is used as such. Anyone who has ever had a pocket knife knows this is not the weapon of choice of anyone. If a kid wanted to bring a weapon to school then he'd find stashing a steak knife in his backpack to be more effective. In fact that strap on his backpack would be more effective than a little pocket knife.

If schools are going to ban everything that could be used as a weapon then they'd better start holding class in empty padded rooms.

#17 | POSTED BY CALIFCHRIS AT 2009-10-12 10:04 PM | REPLY | FLAG:
what i disagreed with you about was the idea that this kid needed to be sanctioned in any way.


"I think in this case a good "talking to" by the principal, a call to his parents, and maybe a 15-minute "time out" in the corner would have more than than sufficient punishment."

The kid didnt do ANYTHING worthy of punishment.

If the item in question could be viewed as a weapon then a sharpened pencil must be viewed as a miniature spear.

I have been stabbed in the eye with a pencil.
I have a pencil lead in the base of my hand that has been there since 7th grade when i carelessly left a sharpened pencil in my jeans pocket then sat down with it and set my hand on the thing.

I have never been stabbed with a folding fork/spoon/knife combo.

I appreciate that you don't agree with the school board or their actions, but you still felt that the kid had done something that needed to be corrected.

thats what i was getting at.

I appreciate that you don't agree with the school board or their actions, but you still felt that the kid had done something that needed to be corrected.

thats what i was getting at.

#36 | Posted by Valisk at 2009-10-13 12:46 AM | Reply

That's my fault, Valisk. I have a legal background and sometimes I tend to bring in legal points (or go off on legal tangents) where they're not needed and/or don't apply -- such as in this instance.

Tell you what -- IGNORE what I said entirely. Deal?

I felt the little boy needed no correcting but you could have easily taken my saying he should have been given "a 15 minute 'time out' in the corner" and a "good talking to" as certainly sounding that I condoned reprimanding him for what he did. I should have been clearer as I wrote two posts which gave conflicting views -- my error.

I only said that in thinking a reprimand would be a lesson to him as a way of explaining to the boy his action in bringing a knife to school was wrong. But I see now it should have been handled without any action giving the boy the feeling of "being punished" when in his mind he did nothing wrong at all.

I confused you, justifiably, as my two posts were in opposition to each other. Sometimes I'll write a post and then flesh it out further in another post and my views change.

Still, it should be used as a "teaching moment" for the boy as the school would not forgive it if he did it a second time. So at what point and at what age should you use an experience to teach such a young child it's wrong to bring a knife to school -- no matter how innocent his intent? And how should you go about teaching him?

If it were your 6 year old -- serious question -- how would you have handled it (after telling the school board to go to hell LOL). Seriously, I don't know the anwer. What would you tell an innocent 6 year old in this instance, if anything?

Got to run for now.

Liberals, you gotta love'm!

The message was for the parents,not the kid

I had a buck knife in a case on my belt from grade school. When I took shop class or auto repair, it came in very handy. In a pinch, I even sharpened a pencil or two.

Come to think of it, I fixed a loose battery connection for my vice principal my junior year. No harm, no foul.

a 45 day stint ni reform school?

Fer a 6 year old?

Jeezuz, WTF did th e kids do?

Murder?
Counterfitting?
Extortion?
Arson?
Grand Theft
Big Wheel?

No?

Wot then?

He brought a cub scout knife/fork/spoony thing to school?

* head-desk *

Spud has zero tolerance fer people who over-react like morons.

Be Well.

I don't care who you are or where you come from, that's a weapon. Don't believe me, stab yourself with a three inch pocket knife blade on youtube and show me how you don't bleed at all. Show me how one of those stuck into your neck wont sever the jugular. Better yet, stab yourself on the inner thigh and show me how it doesn't sever your femoral artery.

The same can be done with a pen or pencil. I'm sure a cursory glance around any classroom in America will produce objects that can be used to beat, stab or otherwise injur another human being.

Are you going to ban pens and pencils and all those other things? Of course you aren't.

So you're just a pussy.

It was something that could be used as a weapon so naturally the righties are saying that if all kids carried knives the world would be a better place. If the kid had smoked the wrong kinda plant they would want him tossed in fuck em in the back stall prison for the better part of his life. Go figure.

If the kid had smoked the wrong kinda plant they would want him tossed in fuck em in the back stall prison for the better part of his life.

I can't think of a single person on the left or right who advocates locking up someone for the better part of their life for smoking weed -- especially a 6 YO

Exagerrate much?

It's funny how it looks like everyone (left or right) except one person agrees that the school went overboard. Yet you have these knee-jerk jerks like nobrains4me have to get a "righties' fault" dig in, even though they agree with him.

It must suck being such a sheep.

Zero Tolerance allows those in charge to avoid making decisions.

An earlier poster suggested that the teacher should have taken this tool, imformned the young man why, and returned it at the end of the day. This would have required initiative and thought. These are not the characteristics that are encouraged in todays society. Blind adherence to policy is the goal.

I wonder what lasting impressions this boy will take away from this incident. I can't believe that the results will be positive.

How come nobody is mentioning tort reform? That's why schools have these blanked policies, so they can hide behind policy. It's about eliminating liability. When people are allowed to exercise judgment, they can make mistakes. Policies don't become emotional and make poor choices, or at least not actionable ones.

My story: I brought a butter knife to high school one day, used it to cut up a cake I had made. The principal came over to where we were sitting in the cafeteria and I offered him a piece of cake, thinking that's why he was there. Instead he informed me I wasn't supposed to bring knives to school. I looked at him like he was an idiot, this is a butter knife. He acknowledged as much, but he told me that was the policy. Being on a first name basis with the principal probably helped my plight.

I can't say for certain but I think the reason I brought the butter knife is because they only had forks and spoons at the cafeteria.

The policy against knives, even utility knives, in school seems at least reasonable. The one where you're not allowed to bring over-the-counter medication with you because they're "drugs" is the one that's really stupid. But again, it gets to the same root. What if a student gives Timmy an aspirin and it turns out he's allergic? Timmy should have known that, but there's no money there. Schools on the other hand have pockets as deep as the taxpayers, and we're fond of lawsuits.

Carrying weapons and wearing uniforms.... typical gang banger.

45 days is too easy, they should have sent him to the county lockup.

Blind adherence to policy is the goal.


Well 8 years of George Bush has taught something.

will this go on his permanent record and will he have to register as a felon?

#49 | Posted by 726

I don't disagree with your comment except that this concept goes back further than that and continues today.
Even under LBJ and Nixon if you were opposed to the war you were a Communist. My personal memories of anything further back are spotty. I remember Ike but not well. I was in High School and chasing tail when JFK was in office.

With GW if you had an opinion that differed from the party line you were Unpatriotic. Today if you disagree with the President you are a racist.

Independent thought is discouraged.

Well, it is Delaware (jk, nyuk nyuk).

#51 Cowboy

There are some straight-up racists who're speaking out against the President in full force (they also claim to be Republicans), and the Dems are using them to characterize all Republicans.

Zero-tolerance is dumb, it leaves no room for situational assessment.

Remember, Lord Baden Powell started the Scouts as a paramilitary group. Maybe this child was trained in the art of sporking teachers to death...

A fork and a Knife are not a Switchblade and a 9mm
hand gun.

#15 | Posted by Valisk

And boxcutters would not normally be considered a weapon of choice for hijackers.

Zero tolerance is a liberal perversion that allows them to avoid applying reason to situations.

#28 | Posted by Mato

Until there is an incident and the school district gets sued for millions.

It wasn't unusual to see rifles in a gun rack in the back of pickup trucks in the student parking lot where I went to HS.

#30 | Posted by goatman

Columbine changed everything.

If I were the kid's teacher I would have simply taken the implement away for the day, returning it to the kid and his parents later, and would have kept the school's administration out of it.

#33 | Posted by WarmFuzzy

And when it was revealed that you had willingly violated school regs, you would be become instantly unemployed and you would be permanently blacklisted from the teaching profession nation wide.

Regardless of your personal feelings on the matter, you would have signed a contract compelling you to adhere to all school rules and regs.

The principal should get a 45 day suspension and the teacher should get a time out. The kid is a hero. He should be allowed to carry his cub scout knife on his belt.

Boy, you let a knife and fork dig your grave!
www.youtube.com

It's funny how it looks like everyone (left or right) except one person agrees that the school went overboard. Yet you have these knee-jerk jerks like nobrains4me have to get a "righties' fault" dig in, even though they agree with him.

It must suck being such a sheep.

#45 | Posted by goatman at 2009-10-13 05:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

And you have other posters blaming "Libs" for this school admins stupidity. Partisanship sucks. So does left/right bias. You know, like the one you're showing AGAIN, goatman...

By only attacking the left AGAIN and ignoring any righty doing what you're complaining about.

AGAIN.

Quit pretending to be some kind of "independent". It's fucking laughable when 99/100 of your targets are lefties.

Alex, you are quickly becoming my favorite target for pushing buttons. Soon you'll be as easy as boyd. LOL You're shrill responses are just what I am looking for.

nobrains4me responded like an idiot and I treated him as such. Do you deny the truth of my post to him? LOL

"You're[sic] shrill responses are just what I am looking for."

Had to do it. A poor Zat impersonation.

Poor Zat.

:(

;)


Yes--this kid a terrorist from the renowned "CUB SCOUTS" group!!!

#12 | Posted by MURPHY

An elite paramilitary organization known as Cub Scouts.

Getting tired. I should retire, HC. I'm reading a good book between posts, though.

Wow and I thought it was stupid when they confiscated my daughters chapstick.

I'm glad I grew up in a time when people were people and common sense ruled.

The "rules are rules" crowd strikes again. If a rule is stupid, it should not be enforced. That is why we have people running schools, and not machines.

That said, we don't know much about the safety of this district and perhaps such a policy is necessary. If it's going to be enforced, at the very least all kids should be made explicitly aware of the fact that they can't bring anything like this to school before suspending someone for bringing a fork.

The "rules are rules" crowd strikes again. If a rule is stupid, it should not be enforced. That is why we have people running schools, and not machines.

That said, we don't know much about the safety of this district and perhaps such a policy is necessary. If it's going to be enforced, at the very least all kids should be made explicitly aware of the fact that they can't bring anything like this to school before suspending someone for bringing a fork.

#67 | Posted by JOE

I take it you have never spent any time in an elementary or secondary school, other than when you were (presumably) a student.

I am quite sure that the school policies and consequences for violating these policies were provided to the parents prior to the beginning of the school year.

In this case, the blame should be placed on the parents. They should have known and ensured that their kid was not bringing to school anything that would warrant this reaction.

Is this rule "stupid" and thus can be summarily ignored? No.

Should there be some sort of grey zone for making differing calls? That is the difficult question it is.

When a school is having to deal with hundreds to literally thousands of kids daily in a single school, how grey can you go?

As I stated above, all it takes is a single incident, then the parents can turn into ravaging hyenas demanding why the school didn't do this and didn't do that.

In the wake of so many school shootings, I cannot blame the schools for the zero tolerance stance they have implemented. Yep, yep, it seems incredibly arbitrary and silly and non-judgmental and lacking in making reasonable decisions based on individual cases.

But I repeat, all it takes is one incident.

Its bush's fault.

someone had to say it. keep waiting on the libtards to blame him for this.

lol

You would think at least he could get some kind of 'first offender' status and simply sat down with all of the parties and discussed why he could not bring this item to school again...
the circumstances surrounding this do not, in any way, support the potential punishment..
why destroy the pride of being a new Cub Scout and also instilling a new fear in this kid of going to school..!!!! most teachers are scary enough already...!!! this is one of those situations where the element of 'intent' should very well be an important issue of these type rules...
we have really come to a sad state of affairs to let 'fear' rule us so much and have the ones that have inflicted it to be 'in charge' of our life..

"He should have been expelled, especially if he was playing tag."

--Truthurts

we have really come to a sad state of affairs to let 'fear' rule us so much and have the ones that have inflicted it to be 'in charge' of our life..

#70 | Posted by drsoul

No argument with this statement at all.

I think a simple little chat with this childs parents requesting he not bring that back and why, would have sufficed.

PALM BAY, Fla. Police say a mother, father and 15-year-old son were electrocuted while putting up a ham radio antenna in their Palm Bay home

Screw the knife, those damn antennas are dangerous.

"He should have been expelled, especially if he was playing tag."

--Truthurts

#71 | Posted by cookfish at 2009-10-13 09:05 AM

LOL, it's a shame Truthy isn't here to explain to us the dangers of dodgeball, how monkey bars should be made of soft rubber, and how silverware will lead to gang violence in schools.

"Wow and I thought it was stupid when they confiscated my daughters chapstick.

#65 | Posted by TaoWarrior"

So did the football team.

Zero Tolerance allows those in charge to avoid making decisions.

#46 | Posted by Cowboy

Bingo.

When a school is having to deal with hundreds to literally thousands of kids daily in a single school, how grey can you go?

Hmm...I don't know, how about dealing with bad apples? If teachers with an assortment of degrees cannot figure out who to keep an eye on, then we need to stop worshiping teachers as though they bring anything more to the table than your average TSA retard.

As I stated above, all it takes is a single incident, then the parents can turn into ravaging hyenas demanding why the school didn't do this and didn't do that.

That is going to happen anyway...

In the wake of so many school shootings, I cannot blame the schools for the zero tolerance stance they have implemented.

I fully support zero tolerance for guns in school. Fork/Spoon/Knife sets for eating lunch? Not so much...especially since it's been made perfectly clear that a writing utensil can be just as dangerous as eating utensil.

I am quite sure that the school policies and consequences for violating these policies were provided to the parents prior to the beginning of the school year.

Why do you take that to be true? Any even if it is, why shouldn't students (the ones whose behavior matters) also be made aware of school policies? Oh wait, I know - you're probably "sure" they were as well.

Is this rule "stupid" and thus can be summarily ignored? No.

The enforcement of the rule in this particular situation is, in fact, stupid. Nobody can justify 45 days in a reform school given the circumstances, so yes, enforcement is stupid in this case.

Should there be some sort of grey zone for making differing calls? That is the difficult question it is.

It's not a difficult question. The answer is "yes." That is why schools are run by people, and not machines.

When a school is having to deal with hundreds to literally thousands of kids daily in a single school, how grey can you go?

How many of those students are being punished for violating the weapons policy in a day? Two? Three? Don't pretend they have to make a judgment call with regard to this particular rule hundreds of times per day.

All it takes is a single incident, then the parents can turn into ravaging hyenas demanding why the school didn't do this and didn't do that.

What sort of hyena-ism would occur had they simply taken the spork away and suspended him for a day? If a stabbing later occurred, would they say "spork kid should have been punished more?" Get real.

Joe, Iraq,

I agree that the punishment certainly doesn't fit the "crime."

Judgment calls... Easy to say, difficult in practice. Give one kid leeway, then then make another subjective decision and don't give another kid leeway for the same violation. Why? Why not? That in itself can cause problems.

Put yourselves in the situation where you have 20 to 35 kids 5-7 times a day each day in your care. How well do you think you will perform making all these individual judgment calls:

Some kids are okay, some are smart, some are stupid, some have serious problems, some use drugs, some are bullies, some don't care, some don't have parents, some live in the local motel that serves as a shelter, some actually live in the shelter, some are pregnant, some can't read, some can't grasp, some can't pay attention, some are sick, some haven't eaten, some are dirt poor, some have parents who are meth heads, some are beaten daily by their parents, some are predators, some are victims, and on and on and on. This is the reality of the classroom. It is what it is. Deal with it. Do NOT intimate that it is easy.

Again, I say, put yourself in that situation, then you can be better qualified to make calls about grey areas, and judgment, and zero tolerance.

Put yourselves in the situation where you have 20 to 35 kids 5-7 times a day each day in your care. How well do you think you will perform making all these individual judgment calls

If you can't handle it, then don't be a teacher/principal/
administrator. That's what their job is. If we wanted schools to be run by robots that had no sense of right or wrong, we'd build robots and fire all the teachers.

I never said making judgment calls was easy. But it's your job, and it's a cop-out to say "rules are rules." People in every profession make judgment calls all the time. Cops decide to shoot their gun in some instances, and refrain from doing so in others. Should cops never fire their gun because they're afraid of being second-guessed and because making the decision is "hard?" Don't be such a pussy.

Hey are they gonna start outlawing compasses?? What about those rulers with that metal embedded into the side of them. THAT could be a slashing weapon. Or how about ever sharps?? What ignoramouses.

"If you can't handle it, then don't be a teacher/principal/
administrator"

I have a feeling your knowledge of American education is on a par with the amount of time you invest in your "legal practice."

Joe, face it: you're a poorly-informed ignoramous who knows nothing (or, at best, next to nothing) about schools, classrooms, overburdened teachers, through-the-roof parents, leagal weasels, and zero-tolerance regulations.

If you have a counter-argument to make, feel free to make it. Otherwise, blow it out your ass, Starvis.

I'll leave the blowing-out-the-ass performance to a real pro Joe. Someone like you.

Face it, you've no idea what you're blabbering on about -- your knowledge of public education and what goes on in the schools is matched in its limp-noodle quality only by the strength of your "legal practice."

Joe, face it: you're a poorly-informed ignoramous who knows nothing...

You could've stopped right there.

And if you can demonstrate that in some way by refuting my comments, then go ahead and do it.

"You could've stopped right there."

Yeah, I know. I was just trying to cut the poor nincompoop a break. I have a feeling it's tough, being Joe.

Im here but I have to go.

I never said ban tag. I said have it structured to be safe.

This kid broke the rules no knives at school.

He should be given a time out and be done with it.

"Another victim of ban-happy liberals."

How do you manage to blame "zero tolerance" policies on liberals? That's a result of frightened, repressive rtards writing policies while hiding under their beds. "Zero tolerance", "3 strikes", etc. belong to the right, not the left

If you can't handle it, then don't be a teacher/principal/
administrator. That's what their job is. If we wanted schools to be run by robots that had no sense of right or wrong, we'd build robots and fire all the teachers.

#82 | Posted by JOE

It is not so much of not being able to handle it, it is that there is so much to handle.

I submit then by your "observations" about the failure(s) of teachers, what we will end up with is robots running the schools. Literally. Halfway there already.

Prob is teachers cannot be limited solely to teaching. Not when they have to deal with what I described above, plus the parents and/or guardians. Plus the administration, Plus the State. Plus plus plus plus...

So you can continue to talk your talk, but why don't you walk your talk and spend some time in a classroom. Got kids? Go spend some time in their school.

So again in light of tragic events that have occurred, are occurring, and will continue to occur, that the schools have these rather draconian zero tolerance regs is not surprising and represents the attempt to deal with what has the potential to quickly and easily become overwhelming in a nonce.

Note the use of the word potential. It is not that this particular 6 year old could be a slasher running rampant through the halls cutting up his classmates. But you go lean on this one, then another one, and it gets around that bringing something to cut up one's left over pork chop with a knife is now okay, then more kids do the same, and then... It starts to escalate. Will there be an incident? Probably not. But...

Apply all this to the inner city schools.

My Letter to the school board president:

Mr. Evans,

From all the press accounts around 6 year old Zachary's suspension from 1st grade it appears that you, as the president of the school board, had the ability to prevent this from ever becoming an issue. I'll recap for your benefit since you seem have the mind capacity of a pile of fresh albatross shit. 6 year old Zachary brought his Boy Scout eating utensil to school to use to eat his lunch. When he was leaving the bus a teacher asked him what he had in his hand, at which time he showed the teacher the eating utensil. The teacher gave the utensil to the principal who then suspended Zachary and recommended that he be placed in an "alternative" school alongside children guilty of rape, battery and concealing a deadly weapon. You, Mr. Evans, had the power to stop this at any time and show a little common sense. Did you stop it? Nope. You stood by the "zero tolerance" policy, which as you stated in a television interview, "does not recognize age". Well, apparently Mr. Evans, your mother didn't recognize that she was being raped by a rhesus monkey when she got knocked up with the blob of homeless shelter trash that eventually turned into you. You are part of the problem Mr. Evans. You are a prime example of the lackadaisical bureaucracy that festers in the bowels of this country's leadership, procreating for generation upon generation. When you got up the morning this happened, did you just look in the mirror and say, "Yo George, you're a good lookin sonbitch! Today you gonna fuck up the life of some lil' kid cuz you couldn't tell a cognizant thought from a banana shaped dildo wrapped with the printed out version of the Ebonics dictionary shoved so far up yo-ass that you can taste the ink!!" Did you really think that a six year old boy scout who wears a shirt and tie to school was gonna massacre everyone with a fucking "spork"?? Mr. Evans, if the next news story I read was a summation of how you were consumed by fire ants while running out of burning head shop, I would actually take a day off from work to sit in my hot tub smokin the best Jamaican kind bud and pissing on myself in giddiness.

Anyway Mr. Evans, have a great rest of your day. I'm sure you've got lots of important decisions to make today so I'll let you get to them. HAAHAH!!!! No, I'm just kidding about that. You're a fucking idiot remember??

Go Titans!

Jack Sass

i'm sure that little terrorist had a knife as part of the "utensil." He probably has learned how to use a gun or bow and arrow as part of the scouting experience.

it's good to beat his spirit up now, so when his knives and guns are taken away later, he's already been broken by the system.

Apply all this to the inner city schools."

Which is why I initially said that "we don't know much about the safety of this district and perhaps such a policy is necessary." I still think there can be room for judgment calls based on these circumstances.

Truth = Shrill

-Goatman.

At least you admit what you're looking for is troll bait. Worthless semantics playing little bitch.

"-Goatman.

At least you admit what you're looking for is troll bait. Worthless semantics playing little bitch."


And what's worse, those are his good points!

Worthless semantics playing little bitch.

You're so cute when you are shrill, alex.


Well ahh sure feels more secure!!! Fer sure fer sure! Yous betcha'!
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(no six year old gwan ta sneaks up on me at night. hrrmph!).

Isn't there some lawyer out there willing to sue these morons down to their shorts -- PERSONALLY, not just as agents of government, but as individuals liable for damaging a sweet little boy -- and take their jobs, pensions, livelihoods. their futures away. The damage they have done to this little boy and his family is incalcuable.

I enjoyed Mr. Sass's letter.

Delaware 1st grader has 45-day suspension lifted

Congrats to the school board for some sensibility of overturning their ruling and seeing the sense in adjusting the rules going forward...
there is always room for 'common sense' to prevail, even with a set of rules, which also have a position to uphold...
Again, it is a pity that we have allowed our society to reduce itself to this environment....

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