Did someone say HAND OUT?

Not when your president bows to their King.

#6 | POSTED BY TOSSER AT 2009-10-11 02:43 PM

As opposed to the one who KISSES up to the Saudis and OWES them millions of dollars from when they invested their money in his failed oil ventures, Harken/Arbusto?

Maybe we should now thank the saudis for brokering that truce with the sunnis in iraqnam after bush's "surge" failed so miserably that it DOUBLED US casualties each month from it's inception, Feb 07, thru Aug 07, until that truce was brokered by diplomacy.

Sorry the link for post 12 should have been this one.....showing doubled US casualties over the previous two years, each month of the surge until the saudis brokered a truce with the sunnis.

Murphy

Why aren't they talking to Bush, he's the one that owes them money he borrowed for his failed oil ventures?

Screw the damn Saudi's.

#14 | POSTED BY MURPHY AT 2009-10-11 05:10 PM

Maybe that's what Bush had in mind with that kiss, eh?

Naw, he was just getting his instructions.

Since the Saudis brokered a truce with Sunnis in iraqnam, (diplomacy) in Sept 07, US troop casualties dropped in half. Before the truce, with the surge in place....US casualties doubled over the previous two years, and in Aug 07, month before the truce, US casualties were higher than any other Aug of any year.

Hopefully, they will also broker a truce with OBL and the taleban in Afghanistan so we can get our troops out of that shithole too.

But think about it. If the sunni majority saudis controlled al sadr in iraqnam, is it possible they also control obl?

You know, obl, the guy whose family members were in business with Bush's daddy.

Things that make you wonder, eh?

Wait, let them negotiate peace with OBL in Afghanistan before bombing them.....so we can get our troops out of that shithole first.

The CIA used BCCI Islamabad and other branches in Pakistan to funnel some of the two billion dollars that Washington sent to Osama bin Laden's Mujahadeen to help fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. It moved the cash the Pakistani military and government officials skimmed from U.S. aid to the Mujahadeen. It also moved money as required by the Saudi intelligence services.

The BCCI operation gave Osama bin Laden an education in offshore black finance that he would put to use when he organised the jihad against the United States. He would move money through the Al-Taqwa Bank, operating in offshore Nassau and Switzerland with two Osama siblings as shareholders.

At the same time, BCCI helped Saddam Hussein, funneling millions of dollars to the Atlanta branch of the Italian government-owned Banca Nazionale del Lavoro (BNL), Baghdad's U.S. banker, so that from 1985 to 1989 it could make four billion dollars in secret loans to Iraq to help it buy arms.

You are simply (and the words simple and simpleton also come to mind) too arrogant to admit that you may be in error.
No doubt, you'll have yet another fascinating rejoinder to this.

#28 | POSTED BY ZOT AT 2009-10-12 08:40 AM

Seems to be a continual problem with the neocons and their supporters, hence they don't just make mistakes, but ride them forever, never learning from them and drive our country right off the cliff, AND STILL claim they are right in freefall...

It seems to be their defining characteristic, along with complete and total, abject FAILURE.

LOL

A lot of evidence can be found of that right here on this blog with the rw trolleyboys who infest it.

They are always right in their own little indoctrinated minds, even when proven wrong and anyone daring to challenge them is smeared as a liar, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Toss up

If the shoe fits, wear it.

Otherwise, why would you comment on my post.

Methinks you doth protest too much.

Gotcha, eh?

Is that how that "trolling" thing works?

So, do you LOVE the Saudis or hate them?

Wanna give em a big kiss?

Really, only Americans eh?

There is no support or connection to the neoconservative movement in other countries, eh?

Tony Blair was a liberal who just was sucking up, right?

LOL

Why don't YOU straighten it out by TELLING me where you are "from" Tosser?

You prefer to remain nebulous?

Now, do you love the Saudis or what?

Can you simply answer a direct question without being "cutesy"?

Only Americans are neocons.

#40 | POSTED BY TOSSER AT 2009-10-12 09:04 AM

Was George Orwell an American?

Only Americans are neocons.
#40 | POSTED BY TOSSER AT 2009-10-12 09:04 AM
Was George Orwell an American?

How about these guys, were they Americans?

Writing in The Contemporary Review (London) in 1883, Henry Dunckley used the term to describe factions within the Conservative Party; James Bryce again uses it in his Modern Democracies (1921) to describe British political history of the 1880s. The German authoritarians Carl Schmitt, who became professor at the University of Berlin in 1933, and Arthur Moeller van den Bruck were called "neo-conservatives".[45]

wiki doodle went to town

Now, how does where a person is from impact whether or not they believe a certain political ideology? If one supports a political ideology, does it matter where they reside or were born?

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck, eh?

You just been "woked" eh? (ie proven wrong)

LOL

As I understand
#57 | POSTED BY TOSSER AT 2009-10-12 09:39 AM

Ah, maybe therein lies the "problem", eh?

Pakistani eh?

LOL

Well, in the real world, little things like FACTS matter....

Saudis don't have to pay any taxes or fees for anything.
Did you know that?

#22 | POSTED BY TOSSER AT 2009-10-11 11:21 PM

proven wrong

Only Americans are neocons.
#40 | POSTED BY TOSSER AT 2009-10-12 09:04 AM

proven wrong

The case centered around an Israeli, Asher Karni, who was caught trying to sell 200 triggered spark gaps that can be used for medical purposes as well as for nuclear weapons to Humayun Khan, a Pakistani with military and radical Islamist links, whose father had been a supplier to Pakistan's Atomic Energy Commission in the 1970s. The Pakistani government was thus suspected to be the final recipient.

A former Pakistani government official, Husain Haqqani, quipped that with the A.Q. Khan case "it is not a few scientists pocketing money and getting rich. It's a state policy." This might explain the American reticence to put an end to the unsavory activities by embarrassing key ally Pakistan. One mystified international counter-proliferation official asked Hersh, "Why hasn't A. Q. Khan been taken out by Israel or the United States?"

An American intelligence officer "with years of experience in nonproliferation issues" could only lament to Hersh that "we had every opportunity to put a stop to the A.Q. Khan network 15 years ago. Some of those involved today in the smuggling are the children of those we knew about in the '80s. It's the second generation now."

In the present context, nothing illustrates the old adage that the more things change, the more they stay the same better than this comprehensive 1993 report from the New Yorker's archive. Seymour Hersh chronicled how a desire to maintain certain foreign relations and prolong the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan, as well as to cash in on lucrative military deals, inspired the Reagan and Bush I regimes to help Pakistan develop its nuclear arsenal something that brought the volatile Southeast Asian state to the brink of Armageddon with neighboring adversary India in 1990. The Pakistanis, led by the aforementioned A.Q. Khan and radical Islamist generals, were able to develop a nuclear program "with the aid of many millions of dollars' worth of restricted, high-tech materials bought inside the United States."

you need more?

Plame, Pakistan, a Nuclear Turkey, and the Neocons
by Christopher Deliso
balkanalysis.com

cont.

As with the situation today, the State Department back then efficiently neutralized the many incriminating intelligence reports that revealed the clandestine role of prominent individuals and government officials in the whole sordid affair. Just as with the whistleblower cases of the past few years, the Pakistan imbroglio had its own hardworking and talented young agent to sacrifice: Richard M. Barlow, an expert on Pakistani nuclear proliferation issues. As with Sibel Edmonds a generation later, he stumbled upon hugely significant information while "rummaging" through a forgotten backlog of data. And, as with Edmonds, Barlow was harassed and then fired for refusing to shut up when he spoke up about clear evidence of wrongdoing. Hersh recounted events thus:

"[E]ven as Barlow began his digging, some senior State Department officials were worried that too much investigation would create what Barlow called 'embarrassment for Pakistan and trigger the Solarz Amendment, which would cut off all aid.' Protecting the Afghanistan war had emerged as a major policy of the State Department's Bureau of Near East and South Asia Affairs, which was responsible for Pakistani policy."

The State Department, deemed "easily the most corrupt" of major government agencies by Edmonds, was again the target in another of Barlow's investigations, which involved "possibly illegal State Department approval of licenses to the Pakistani Embassy in Washington for equipment whose export had previously been denied for nuclear-proliferation reasons by the Commerce Department."

The realities of then and now collide unhappily yet again with the ultimate example of What It's All About. When Barlow discovered that the government "was once again distorting intelligence on Pakistan's nuclear capability," he prepared a comprehensive study for the benefit of "Secretary of Defense Richard Cheney and other senior officials." Barlow's report, which was backed up by a similar one from the Defense Intelligence Agency, proved that Pakistan was retrofitting its American F-16 fighter jets to carry nuclear warheads.

This revelation presented a "big problem" for Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, and the boys, because it imperiled the $1.6 billion they expected to rake in from the sale of 60 more F-16 fighters and subsequent acceleration of the India-Pakistan arms race. When Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Arthur Hughes stood before Congress on Aug. 2, 1989, and claimed that the planes could not be modified to carry nuclear missiles, Barlow immediately protested to his superiors that this was a lie, and was just as immediately terminated. The deal, like all the others before and after it, went ahead.

Humorously enough, when Khan finally admitted his black-market role in 2004, Cheney purported to be "shocked." For this act, he could have taken home the Oscar.

Only Americans are neocons=Tosser says, but I have shown him how entwined his govt and the neocons have been for decades.

and now:
Sometimes, the chickens come home to roost.

Lie down with dogs, (neocons) you'll get up with fleas, eh?

Pakistan Bomb Kills 41, Support Grows for Army Strike (Update3)

By Khalid Qayum and James Rupert

Oct. 12 (Bloomberg) -- A bomb attack on a military convoy passing through a northwest Pakistan marketplace killed 41 people a day after the army ended a Taliban siege of its headquarters, taking the death toll from four days of attacks to more than 100.

The bomb in the mountain bazaar of Alpuri killed four army troops and two policemen, besides dozens of civilians, said Amir Muqam, the parliament representative from the Shangla valley, where the attack took place. "At least 48 are injured, many are in a serious condition," he said in a phone interview.

The past week's Taliban attacks, notably the unprecedented assault on army headquarters, which ended at dawn yesterday, may have bolstered public support for the military to launch a new offensive against the guerrillas, as the U.S. has been seeking.

but I have shown him how entwined his govt and the neocons have been for decades.

Yes, we have played with them, true.
But no, we are not Neocons. I, as a common anti-American Pakistani citizen, certainly am not.

#79 | POSTED BY TOSSER AT 2009-10-12 01:46 PM

My parents always told me, "One is known by the company you keep"

Maybe that truth will resonate for ya.

May God Bless and keep you safe Tosser.

Snidely spoken, but thank you.

#80 | POSTED BY TOSSER AT 2009-10-12 01:46 PM

Assumes facts not in evidence.

I wish you and yours safety if you indeed are there in Pakistan.

That being said, it does indeed provide a timely exclamation point to the facts presented in my posts.

Considering your continual "smart ass" comments and deflections of truth, it may well be that you will have to have a real life experience to add some reality of all this for you. Personally, having experienced it myself, I don't wish that on anyone, but some folks cannot learn but the hard way, eh?

"There must be some way out of here," said the joker to the thief,
"There's too much confusion, I can't get no relief.
Businessmen, they drink my wine, plowmen dig my earth,
None of them along the line know what any of it is worth."

"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."

All along the watchtower, princes kept the view
While all the women came and went, barefoot servants, too.

Outside in the distance a wildcat did growl,
Two riders were approaching, the wind began to howl.

Copyright 1968; renewed 1996 Dwarf Music

Not everything in life is a big fkn joke son.....

Personally, I think you are too young/naive to know what the hell you are talking about.

#95 | POSTED BY TOSSER AT 2009-10-12 02:23 PM

I'm a 60 yr old Vietnam vet who has directly experienced war and occupation, retired teacher, father of 5, grandfather of 7...ranging in age from 1-18.

How old are you Tosser?

What have you experienced in an occupied country?

Educate me....son.

Been blogging on ThinkProgress for a couple of years and Newhounds since summer 2004.

Both used to have the same kind of rw, diversionary trolleyboys 24/7 as this one. One blog allows user moderation by means of a vote. The other had to resort to somewhat heavy handed moderation to keep the threads from becoming cesspools of right wing troll droppings. (personal attacks, ludicrous statements, racism, baiting, etc.)

yep, I'm relatively new here, but not to blogging, the world, or to surviving no win senario, foreign occupations.

Cold war, eh?

Allrighty then.

well that's 3 for 3 Tosser.

You claimed that Pakistanis were not connected to neocons
WRONG

And then

You claimed I must be an inexperienced youngster.....and you have more world and "war" experience than I.
WRONG

And now, I've proven you wrong on your ass ertion that I'm new to blogging.

Considering I've debunked all your bs on this thread, maybe you should quit while you are 0 for 3, not counting your ridiculousness about saudis paying no fees or taxes at the beginning of the thread, eh?

Been blogging on ThinkProgress for a couple of years and Newhounds since summer 2004, shortly before I retired.

Both used to have the same kind of rw, diversionary trolleyboys 24/7 as this one. (not saying you are one of those) One blog allows user moderation by means of a vote. The other had to resort to somewhat heavy handed moderation to keep the threads from becoming cesspools of right wing troll droppings. (personal attacks, ludicrous statements, racism, baiting, etc.) It was pretty obvious that fox was paying trolls to attack NH threads and posters.

Yep, I'm relatively new here, but not to blogging, the world, or to surviving no win senario, foreign occupations.

Cold war, eh?

Allrighty then.

well that's 3 for 3 Tosser.

You claimed that Pakistanis were not connected to neocons
WRONG

And then

You claimed I must be an inexperienced youngster.....and you have more world and "war" experience than I.
WRONG

And now, I've proven you wrong on your ass-ertion that I'm new to blogging.

Considering I've debunked all your bs on this thread, maybe you should quit while you are 0 for 3, eh?

LOL

Want me to go away because I debunked your bs, eh?

And you turn to personal attacks instead of debate.

That's funny right there, no matter where you are from.

I didn't lose, I survived, silly boy.

Is everyone who dares question your bullshit and debunk it, a "pompous ass" in your eyes, or just those you think are "new"??

LOL

Good luck with surviving your own govt, and it's ill conceived alliances with neoconservatives.

And I see this entire "liberal" blog is infested with genius leftovers from the right wing who think neoconservatism has been successful around the world, who think namecalling and insults are arguments, and who believe longetivity on their own little blog is somehow indicative of credibility.

Too fkn funny!

#129

Not to smear your experience as you are trying to do mine, but how many gasoline truck convoys have you provided security for riding a few hundred miles through a foreign occupied insurgency?

13 million Vietnamese died and nearly 60k US troops with over 250k maimed for life.

If you want to minimize that, be my guest.

I know what I know and your smarmy bullshit doesn't mean shit to me either, nor your buddy's.

Chill out and have a good time then.

Forget about the people dying from war and lack of healthcare and starving for a few hours on DR.

Be my guest.

"No reason to get excited," the thief, he kindly spoke,
"There are many here among us who feel that life is but a joke.
But you and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate,
So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late."

Copyright 1968; renewed 1996 Dwarf Music

Enjoy your "fun time" youngsters!

2008

Still waiting for you to show up at the NH forum to defend the lies you are telling on other blogs like this one.

You know, calling the mods liars and telling people i was banned from there.

I posted your bs on the forum for everyone to laugh at.....

Why don't you come see?

What's that? You were banned permanently for constant troll behavior and can never post there again?

I'm guessing you'll be welcomed with open arms here bro!

Are you gonna pretend to be a "ranger" here?

How many aliases are you using now?

LMFAO

Shouldn't you change your name to the next national election like you did after that ass kicking in 2006?

LOL

YS 1

The song was written by Bob Dylan, not Jimi Hendrix.....

And I've seen the world, my friend, or at least quite a bit of it, including S.E Asia, Guam, Japan, Phillipines, all 50 US states.

Pretty funny, on the one hand telling me to see the world to gain experience, on the other telling me I'm too old.

Make up your mind sonny.

And btw, when you get older, you may come to realize that "good" is not defined by how new something is....LOL.

kanrei

You aren't serious are you? You believe Jimi Hendrix wrote the music to All Along the Watchtower?

LMFAO

Maybe you should just stfu if you don't know wtf you are talking about....

Of course, if you can produce a link showing Hendrix's name on the composing credits somehow....

LOL

kanrei

Hendrix didn't change/rewrite the chords/music, just slowed it down and little and put more of a soul beat to it.

Dylan does the same all the time for decades....ie change/rearrange his music rhymically. Live, he sometimes rearranges it in real time during the songs, playing them more than one way.

Anyone who thinks hendrix is the composer of the music to AATW, is deluded.....link or not.

LOL

More misinformation from 2008, like most rw neocon supporting trollboys, he is a master of misinformation....and quickly resorts to insults/namecalling etc, when his bs is called out.....

Actually, I spent the first two months on the flightline. Nothing like watching an uploaded fighter explode from being hit by a 122mm rocket while lying supine on a concrete flightline with sandbags 4 high around you.

The rest of the time I spent on the base perimeter, in towers watching and warning of 122 attacks and on loan to the US Army, riding security on tracks and big wheels to gasoline truck convoys from Long Bihn to Tay Nihn.

I'm not ashamed of my service. Nor do I promote it some way. I do believe because of it, I have some insight as to what surviving an unnecessary foreign occupation/war is really like, and some life experience others might not have, which is the only reason it is ever brought up-in context.

I can always count on it being denigrated by those who base honoring war veterans on whether they agree with their politics rather than just honoring their service regardless.

eh?

Everything in life... from the dump you take to the flat tire you change to the music you listen to... becomes a dissertation?
LOL

#204 | POSTED BY TOSSER AT 2009-10-12 05:22 PM

As opposed to making everything in life a joke and commenting on nothing of consequence with simpleminded and simplistic bumpersticker like one liners, designed to insult, demean, and smear those who point out your idiocy?

Ok then...was that short enough for you to read?

LOL

Who earned the composer credit and ascap fees kanrei?

So, every jazz guitarist who ever floats a different SOLO line on a song, then OWNS that song and should be considered the composer?

LMFAO

Give it up.

I have never seen a better bunch of uninformed people, who when you try to correct them, they bristle and spit out insults and more half truths, trying to pretend they know wtf they are talking about AND in order to NEVER say they were wrong.

Yep, 2008....you'll fit right in here nicely.....

Everybody, meet 2008.

He's never been wrong about anything either.

And he's a financial genius!

LOL

I posted the LYRICS of one verse of Dylan's All Along the Watchtower.

Tosser's lil buddy chimed in thus:

You need to go see the real world. The one that isn't run to a Jimi Hendrix soundtrack.

#154 | POSTED BY YS_1 AT 2009-10-12 04:20 PM

I responded:

YS 1

The song was written by Bob Dylan, not Jimi Hendrix.....
#155 | POSTED BY WOKE AT 2009-10-12 04:20 PM

And then kanrei just had to jump in with his vast knowledge of music....then tried to backpeddle his bs a little bit when confronted with facts.....LOL

#202 Blah blah blah. Compare and contrast the two and you will see differences. The solos in Watchtower were composed by Jimi. The chord progressions were the same, but how those chords were used was different and that Jimi. I never said he composed it, I said he wrote the music to his version and that is true.

#206 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2009-10-12 05:24 PM

Let's see what you said originally, kanrei

Technically, the song was written by both Dylan and HEndrix as the Jimi version uses original music. IT would be lyrics by Bob Dylan, Music by Hendrix, Mitchell, and .....um....Damnit I cant remember member 3,

#157 | POSTED BY KANREI AT 2009-10-12 04:22 PM

No he didn't write any music. And the link I used in post #202 above details exactly who was there and who wasn't when it was recorded. Dave Mason after Redding ran out on the session. The chord structure is the same, only the timing is different. I have been playing music, including this song for 4 decades. The song is simply Am F G, repeated throughout. Hendrix didn't change it.....he embelished it with timing and a lead part.

It was great. Dylan said so. But he didn't relinquish that HE wrote the music to it. Dylan is the composer of the music and lyrics. Period.

It's okay with me if you cannot accept being wrong, sometimes we all are, this time it's YOU.

Just be glad if you can admit your mistakes and learn from them, as opposed to many of the hardcore neocon supporters like goatboy and 2008 who aren't able to learn from their mistakes due to never admitting any....

Seems as though you just don't play well with others......

EH Champ?
.

#221 | POSTED BY 2008ATL AT 2009-10-12 05:38 PM

Uh, I'm not the one banned from NH, you are, eh? LOL

And uh, I'll not only stand by the veracity of my post about DR, I'll point to this and every other thread I've posted on here as an example proving my assertions.

Don't you agree this is wide open for lil snotty trolleyboys like you, as NH USED to be.

You aren't even smart enough to know that there were a few of us who were not in favor of censoring the posts. But, unlike yourself, I'm not one to throw the baby out with the bathwater...

My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub.
Grover Norquist

And yes, i do know a little bit about neocons, probably more than their supporters since I've researched Leo Strauss, et al and can show you the connections between their philosophy and some other failed philosophy's.

Then, I've also survived 40 years of their policies here in the usa.

eh?

229

Well, what's it gonna be today goatboy?

You DID vote for lil w or you didn't?

LOL

Null

Yeah, I've tried to tell goatboy, cherryboy and crispyboy that I don't play on a team that allows circle jerks, but they don't catch the hint.

And they've got their other syncophants like kanrei....who tells me he's just here to "make friends" not debate to join in with his hand.....and good ol 2008ATL, a well known diversionary troll who had to be banned at newshounds.....

I guess the more in their circle jerk, the more exciting it is for them.

Life is just a joke. A lark. And this blog is a good place for those folks who support neocon preemptive wars, but have no idea what they support, because they've never been in one.

Let them have their laughs.

Apparently, this little blog is their one place in life where the believe they have some power. They are all beating up on a 60 yr old man with insults and namecalling, as if that is some great feat.
Makes up for their lack of serving when they could have, apparently, judging by their facitiousness about people dying and being maimed for lies.

It's all good, kanrei.....nevermind....you debated the war back in 04 when you first got on here. Feel free to FORGET all about it now little man......

LOL

too fkn funny

You DID vote for lil w or you didn't?
???
I said I did. Keep up, joke

#237 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-10-12 06:28 PM

You will love 2008ATL.

He loves lil aWol too.

And he's a former "cop", turned financial expert.

But he trolls rw talking points all day, everyday like you.

Even uses a few extra screenames so he can agree with himself.

We noticed how some names always appeared together.

He even outed himself, posting as one person with the other name.

It was comical.

Careful not to piss him off though. You know how when your bs gets debunked you begin namecalling and insults. Oh, wait, that's not you, you start with no info and move right to the insults. LOL
He takes it a step further.
He doesn't respect privacy laws and has the ability to find out who posters are and post their personal info, name, address.

He's infamous tho, which seems to be what he wants.

Which is why I said he'll fit right in here with you.

LOL

Got a new home here 0Hate.

Move right on in.

Maybe I'll repost some of your favorite NH posts from the past, to make you feel more at home.

Chris

the "we" referred to the newshound regulars who watched 2008's bs troll behavior for years, before moderation began.

now, he is DOS, deleted on sight, but he still frequently posts there I'm told.

As I said, I didn't totally agree with the moderation changes there at the time the troll purge occurred, however, after enduring the ridiculous infestation here, which significantly detracts from this blog being a credible "liberal" blog, I can see why it was necessary.

That being said, I seldom post on NH mains and prefer their forum where posters register. I don't like having to wait until a moderator approves my posts to see them, which is what occurs on the mains.

Sorry for any perceived slight of this site. It apparently has good intentions. Like the nh forums, i like the ability for posters to create threads. The lack of organization, moderation and ability to more easily access archives of the posts are detriments here imho.

And again, not that I understand the point*, but I have never posted here previously to about 4-6 weeks ago AND have never posted under any other name.

From Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet, 1594:

JULIET:
'Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What's Montague? it is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call'd,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself.

Thanks for being one of the few serious and civil DR posters Chris.

Are you a moderator here?

Are there moderators here?

LOL

#245, 246, 247

I have been repeatedly asked over and over this same question since I began posting on DR about a month ago. i have continually answered the question, even giving the previous sites I have posted on.

For the posters who cannot read or comprehend what is posted, I'll repost it one more time.

>>>>>>

And again, not that I understand the point*, but I have never posted here previously to about 4-6 weeks ago AND have never posted under any other name.

#244 | POSTED BY WOKE AT 2009-10-12 09:07 PM |

I really don't see the point in sticking around where I'm not wanted, unlike 2008ATL, who continually is deleted on NH each and everytime he posts, but continues to do so.

But, you folks will like him. Especially when he begins posting your personal info (names, addresses) for all to see, as he did to me on NH a couple years ago.

Enjoy!

I woke up in 1969.

Maybe it's time you and your circle jerk of rw trolleyboys, (along with your little self proscribed"lefty" and fence sitting syncophants), do the same and realize all of life is not a big fkn joke.

People are dying because of "jokers" like yourself and goatman, who put and kept the neocons in office for decades, leading to unnecessary wars which kia/wia hundreds of thousands of innocent people, used up precious treasury that went into the pockets of those who financed your neocon heroes, and drove our economy off the cliff of deregulation, lack of oversight, and rampant greed.

The reason you can all be so cavalier about it, is apparently NONE of you has sacrificed one damned thing for these ventures. Some have profited mightily, like 2008ATL who brags about the money he has made investing in unnecessary war.

Like Tosser, perhaps you or your families will some day feel the effects of these neoconservative disasters. And when you are impacted by the mistakes you made in supporting war mongers and profiteers, believe me, the smiles will be wiped off you smarmy smirky little faces.

Remember how lilaWol used to smirk before the effects of his failed policies were pointed out for all to see by Sheehan, Katrina, and our economy?

Honor the warriors, not the war.

People are dying because of "jokers" like yourself and goatman,...
How are people dying because of me, joke?
You are funny as hell.

#258 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-10-13 08:08 AM

You DID vote for lil w or you didn't?
???
I said I did. Keep up, joke
#237 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-10-12 06:28 PM

joke, joke, joke, joke

not everyone is laughing at you and your hero's incompetence son.

Honor the warriors

Meaning you?

#261 | POSTED BY TOSSER AT 2009-10-13 08:18 AM

Not at all, I'm speaking of those US troops, who've died for neocon incompetence and GREED. You wouldn't understand honor like that. It's all a big joke to you, eh?

As for you perhaps suffering the effects of that neocon greed, I believe we had a discussion up thread about how your home country may well begin to feel those effects. No?

Maybe you and your buddy YS 1 were just bullshitting when you were claiming having some experience in the realm of violence due to politics?

That would make sense, considering your willingness to laugh at it.

May you keep laughing bro as those neocon chickens (policies) that you find so humorous, come home to roost in your country.

LOL-especially for you

You voted for Thomas Jefferson? I thought you voted for George W. Bush and Richard Cheney?

Make up your mind genius.

Eberly

I have quite a good sense of humor. i just don't find wasting our country's most precious treasures, US troops, so a few can get fabulously wealthy, something to laugh about, unlike so many on this blog.

This thread is about Saudis, no?

15/19 hijackers were Saudis. How many were Iraqi? How many were Afghani?

OBL is still at large, presumably being sheltered in Pakistan. lilaWol's daddy was in business with Saudis, including OBL's family for decades in the war business, Carlyle Group. In fact, they were meeting in the USA on 91101. lilaWol borrowed and never repaid millions from those Saudis. Hallichainy made millions in nobid contracts from his stock options while these men and women died.

Our country has paid dearly for these mistakes. Our war veterans have paid the most. I honor them.

Personally, I don't find it humorous.

But to each their own Eberly, to each their own.

Crispee,

Some are unable to distinguish the mission, which is dictated by civilians, (and which in fact was based on lies and misinformation, and poorly prosecuted), from the troops forced to carry out that mission by following orders.

Apparently, YOU are one of them.

Big fkn joke in your opinion too, eh?

Honor the warriors, not the war.

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How are people dying because of me, joke?
You are funny as hell.
#258 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-10-13 08:08 AM

You DID vote for lil w or you didn't?
???
I said I did. Keep up, joke
#237 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-10-12 06:28 PM

Just keep on laughing, it suits you well.

What effect has Tosser felt, Tosser would love to know?

#259 | POSTED BY TOSSER AT 2009-10-13 08:13 AM

Try to get ahold of a DSM IV and see what it says about people who refer to themselves in third person.

OBL is still at large, presumably being sheltered in Pakistan.

Prove it.

#275 | POSTED BY TOSSER AT 2009-10-13 09:02 AM

You just never learn do you? I have repeatedly handed you your ass on your faulty posts throughout this thread, from the beginning to the end....

Ok, here goes.....see if you can comprhend this:

Musharraf: U.S., Pakistan 'suddenly' lost track of bin Laden
Updated 10/4/2009 8:32 AM
By Jeff Martin, USA TODAY
SIOUX FALLS, S.D The United States and Pakistan were closing in on Osama bin Laden about five years ago, but suddenly lost the mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, former Pakistan leader Pervez Musharraf said Friday.

Crispee

Kerry rightly stated that busting down doors of homes, placing boots on all males (12-90), herding women into separate rooms, in the middle of the night by a foreign occupier is akin to terrorizing Iraqis.

Hundreds of thousands were treated this way. (winning hearts and minds, eh?)

Our troops follow orders from above. If you believe Kerry, a bronze and silver star winner with 3 purple hearts is denigrating our war vets, based on what they are ordered to do, you are even stupider than your posts indicate.

As for Murtha, I'm remembering a rookie congresswoman who was put up to calling him a "coward" on the floor of congress. No congressman has done more for our vets than Murtha for years on end. He rightly pointed out the wrongs that have occurred as a result of both following orders from above, and from being stoplossed and placed in a no win senario insurgency of our own making.

Try to begin to see things thru the eyes of those who've served and are serving instead of through a the jaundiced, failed political ideology of neocons, who HIDE behind our war vets, in an effort to not be held accountable for their terrible mistakes.

K?

2008ATL

Being DOS (deleted on sight) by newshound's mods, and wants to talk about someone else posting on DR.

Gonna post my personal info again "ranger"?

too fkn funny

Crispee

Who is Musharraf and why would he be commenting if OBL wasn't known to be sheltered in Pakistan?

Duh, eh?

You are not "honoring" anybody when you simply attack other bloggers who don't agree with you.

You are nothing more than an angry, hell bent, partisan ideological fool who thinks what he does on a fucking blog makes a difference in the world.
To each his own indeed.
#279 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2009-10-13 09:05 AM |

Now, that is funny right there.

I post info with links to references in response to bs posted here. Go back to the beginning of this very thread and read it throughout.

As a result of having their bs debunked, the "regular" DR posters are who are attacking me personally, never bother to EVER attempt to deal with the INFO I posted. The best they ever do is repeat their falsehoods or give some old, already debunked bs in rebuttal.

The record is clear on this. As for me at times returning fire, I can give it as well as take it.

But thanks for again showing the wonderful tolerance of differing pov here on this "liberal" blog.

LOL

I have repeatedly handed you your ass
You have?
When? Where?
Do it again but this time with some feeling so I can tell. LOL

#295 | POSTED BY TOSSER AT 2009-10-13 09:31 AM

Just scroll back to the top of this thread and begin reading sonny.

Start with posts #3, 11, 13, 16.

Then move on to: 61, 62, 63

See if you can glean some comprehension this time, cause apparently you cannot even understand when you bs is debunked, so you just continue spewing it.

Eberly

Were you ever on KP duty?

Ever serve in a war zone?

mos
dos
duty locations?

Just wondered because of your limited understanding of vet issues and denigrating actual decorated war vets......

And for those who believe what I represent is something returning war vets would not understand.....maybe, just maybe, it's you who support these unnecessary wars for profit, but have never experienced them yourselves, who don't understand that war vets are not brain dead, indoctrinated souls who cannot think for themselves....

War Linked With Veteran Alcohol Abuse

Posted on: Wednesday, 13 August 2008, 09:10 CDT

A new military study found inadequate preparation for combat stress, and reduced access to support services at home has led to drinking problems among veterans of war.

The study appears in Wednesday's Journal of the American Medical Association. It's the first to compare Iraq and Afghanistan veterans' alcohol problems before and after deployment.

The study found more than 600 combat troops who reported no binge drinking at the start of the study developed the problem after deployment and combat exposure.

That means about 26 percent of the estimated 2,400 military personnel exposed to combat whose behavior changed.

New behavior like regular heavy drinking and alcohol problems, such as missing work because of drinking, happened more often in guard and reserve troops who experienced combat.

Their risk of developing new drinking problems, compared to guardsmen and reservists who weren't deployed, was about 60 percent higher.

Honor the warriors, not the war

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#306

Which makes Jean Schmidt's attack on him even more ludicrous since she was shiliing exactly for the neocons.

No?

I honor his war service, regardless of his politics, something some folks cannot comprehend.

(see smear liar attacks on Kerry, also, etc)

Crispee

Playing golf to honor our troops?
That's great buddy, good job. A few of us actually joined up and stood side by side with other vets to serve our country, but golfing is good.

Keep up the good work.

Now, what part of "I honor his service", not based on politics don't you understand lil buddy?

As for not honoring the greedy, incompetent fks who sent our troops into iraqnam for profits of the war/oil corps that own them, I believe THEY (and their supporters like Goatman and yourself) are the ones not honoring our vets, by supporting sending them into harm's way unnecessarily, with insufficient armor, no plan for peace, and repeated deployments including stop lossing them beyond their discharge dates cause not enough "golfers" like yourself who support this bs join up.

The casualties and numbers of suicides, desertions, PTSD, and other ailments directly related to their unnecessary deployments, speak louder golfing charities.

Maybe you ought to ask yourself this.

If we support our troops so well, WHY are charities like that, and charity built hospitals like the one in Arizona necessary at all?

Why is our govt who sent them, not taking care of them upon return?

Time YOU woke too.

#307

I can't hear you Eberly.

Sound off like you got a pair.

mos
dos
duty locations

How bout u Crispee??

I know CC posted the vet list from DR.

However.

Any vets on here actually spend any time at all in a war zone under fire?

mos
dos
duty locations

Just for you Crispee

2008ATL

The count is dialing up some of your "better" posts on NH for me to post here.

Like the ones admittiing you are a paid troll using multiple screennames.

Stay tuned bro!

316 and 319

WHY do our returning injured war vets need CHARITY to take care of them genius? Cannot answer that one eh?

You, predictably, will blame "neocons" when in fact that problem is shared by everyone in DC.
#320 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2009-10-13 10:53 AM

Uh, WHO told the lies and misinformation that garnered other's support of that unnecessary "mission" Eberly?

And WHY are YOU still supporting them while trying to place blame everywhere/anywhere else?

Believe me when I say that I don't believe you cannot have an opinion on these matters because you haven't served.

However, your opinion might not be quite as credible as someone who has served in one of these "quagmires", eh?

Or would you prefer to get a root canal from a mechanic who has only read about the procedure and never experienced doing one?

Finally, feel free to denigrate those who have served, like Murtha and Kerry, because you don't quite agree with their politics or you have bought the denigration of them by those who DID take our troops to war for lies.

Free speech. It's what some of us fought for......and that includes my own free speech here on DR that so many seem to have a problem with...eh?

Of course, free speech doesn't insure it will be credible or worthwhile, eh? One has to assess the credibility of the poster based on their age, experience and expertise imho.

Or, maybe, like kanrei opined in a post above, many are just here to make friends, have a good time and joke it all away.

eh?