As long as each side cares more about giving the other their "medicine," this will just keep escalating.

#13 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

....not much you can do with the Republicans these days......

....they have become the party of whiney, obstructionist pricks who spend their whole time trying to score cheap political points instead of helping to govern......

You can let people see them for what they are, instead of acting more and more like them.
#16 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

......appeasement won't help when handling Republican goosestepping thugs who rape America for their corporate masters.......

.......just makes them want more......

........Grayson's got the right idea......tell them, and the world, just what they are and what they represent.......

If Democrats adopt the same tactics, like this side-with-terrorists junk, they will have the same results.
#33 | Posted by rcade

.....I don't think so.......

....the Repubs keep talking trash so that they can continue to rape America.....

.....it's time for someone to yell rape !!...and call them on what they are doing......

....the rest of the civilized world thinks we are patsies because we are letting insurance companies screw us out of a proper health care system......all the insurance companies had to do was buy off the party with the biggest mouth ( but least representatives ) and they manage to hold off a bit of progress that the rest of the civilized world took care of after WW 2.....the Repubs are the American Taliban.....holding the country hostage to backwardness through their lies and intimidation........

So once again the dems blame the repubs for their inability to get anything done? Doesn't that seem a bit embarrassing to the dems?
.......#42 | Posted by crispee_oc

.....on this I agree with you totally.......

....the Dems are a spineless bunch of fucking cowards.......

.....they should ram through their agenda, and fuck the crooked, whiney Repubs......

.....trying to appease the Repubs with bi-partisanship, only encourages those corporate whores to brey for more......

#48 | Posted by crispee_oc

...if you agree with the first two, then the third certainly makes sense.....

.....the Dems are trying to be bipartisan but only end up looking weak......you are right in that they should not BLAME THE REPUBS.....THEY SHOULD JUST FUCK THEM GOOD........

.....the Dems should just ram their legislation through and be done with it, and let the Repubs cry all they want.......as you know.....the Repubs have made it clear that it does not matter what legislation the Dems propose, they will oppose just on principle......

.....so why waste time ??......

......Grayson has the right idea.....fuck the Repubs and git'r done......

Again nothing about the leadership allowing repubs to control the game. Is it possible better Majority Leaders in both Houses would bring repubs on board? Or at least get some compromise for bi-partisan legislation? 50 | Posted by crispee_oc

.....that would only work if the Repubs were interested, but, they have made clear that it does not matter what concessions the Dems make, they will oppose any legislation like mad dogs.......

.....I agree......that the dems are poorly led by Pelosi and Reid......

.....they simply do not have enough members like Greyson who can call a spade a spade........

.....but no, bringing Repubs aboard is not the answer since they are bought and paid for by industry.....they are shameless corporate whores who oppose anything that weakens the industrial complex's death grip on your wallet......

....but the weakness is just not in Pelosi and Reid, if they had more outspoke members, the leaders would be pushed to action.......but the Dems , as a whole, are well intentioned but spineless......

.....and then.....to give credit where its due.....a few of the Dems like Baucus , are themselves corporate whores, like the majority of the Repubs.......

.....at this point....the only viable option for the Dems....is to ram through their agenda and simply ignore the Repubs........
.

But if Baucus is in charge of the HC Reform, and he is bought by the same Corporate whores, wouldn't that benefit the repubs and not the dems? Seems like dems should be opposed.

BTW... Baucus went against his own party a few years ago, when he supported the Medicare Prescription Bill. Something Obama has criticized repubs for passing.

#52 | Posted by crispee_oc

.......Baucus has accepted millions from his corporate masters in the insurance and health care industries........and it seems to have affected how he votes.......he is a transparent corporate whore.........

.....but he is chair for only ONE committee, so it will get done with or without him......there are at least SIX separate versions of the health care bill that I am aware of, that are being prepared by various committees plus the administration.......

......Baucus will have limited input into the final version and only one vote.......

.......I don't know how Baucus voted on the Bush's drug bill, but the only that did was to pass billions of dollars to the drug industry.......corporate stealing gussed up to look like a health benefit bill.........

so the corporate 'ho's are a problem
57 | Posted by afkabl2

......yup......at every level of American politics.....

.....our democracy is seriously diminished because our system encourages the purchase of our politicians.....

.....even at my county and municipal level, my local politicians have been bought off by developers who are ruining the economy of our county, but enriching themselves.........

I could be wrong, but isn't he the final say. Or his committee.
.......#61 | Posted by crispee_oc

.....no.....other committees can add amendments or submit entirely different bills , the administration can add amendments or submit an entirely different bill......

......the entire house and senate have the final say......they can all add amendments individually....

maybe YOu can tell me how many poor people have hired you for a good paying job with benefits.

.......this particular sentence makes no sense.....I am not advocating that anyone should be poor......or that it is better to be poor than rich.......

and I sat through the michale moore interview with hannity
what a chore THAT was...
and the best part..when hannity said that he was a millionaire because of the system he was trashing, he had no comment...

........there are systems.....and then there is the corruption of systems......our "system" allows for the creation of wealth.....but because of generally lax oversight rules.....our "system" allows our politicians to be bought......then the politicians stop working for the people, and start working for the corporations who have bought them.....that is the weakness in the American system.........

and when hannity made him a deal that if moore gave up so much of his money that hannity would also..
moore had no comment.

......again......there is nothing wrong with being rich.....it is a goal for everyone to aim for, but if you want to increase YOUR wealth, by BRIBING a
politician, to make rules that favor your wealth-creation over the common good, then we need to fix that fault in the system.......

corporate graft...SURE...do something about it but dont get rid of the very thing that has seperated us from all the other countries in the world

.....no one is saying to get rid of capitalism, but just look at the recent banking bail outs, they relaxed the banking regulations, and the banks fell over themselves in a race to the bottom, capitalism is good, but it must have effective regulations to prevent abuse......I am for capitalism, but the wholesale bribery of elected officials works agains the good of the country........

capitalism....its not perfect but name something better.
#65 | Posted by afkabl2

......I did not take a position against capitalism, I am just pointing out that most Republicans & some Democrats have been bought and paid for and are nothing but corporate whores......

"I would have a great deal of respect for Obama if he respectfully declined the prize and mentioned people who deserved it more"
......#70 | Posted by Eddie

......no they wouldn't.......

.....they will never respect him.......

.....so Obama should just ignore the creepy bastards, let them stew in their own juice......

Is there really any politican that hasn't been bought?
.......#75 | Posted by crispee_oc

.....what you are describing is a kleptocracy......

......but are you ok with the fact that we have very little democracy actually left ?........

......we send our boys overseas....ostensibly to fight for democracy for others.....but we give up our own to Exxon and Pfizer ?........

You would be surprised how many on both sides of the political aisle agree with eddie's statement. I for one am included.
.......#77 | Posted by crispee_oc

.....Obama did not nominate himself, and it doesn't even seem he knew that he was nominated....

...the award itself is relatively meaningless, like winning a beauty pagent......Arafat won it, Carter won it.......big deal .....it is nothing....

....but the corporate whores and their puppets will stop at nothing, ever, to attack Obama== the Olympics, his birth certificate, secret whitey tapes,his secret Muslim agenda......all this bullshit will go on and on until his last day in office........

......better to ignore the vituperation and just go on with building a better America.....it is a telling moment though, that the Taliban and the Republicans jumped on it within hours of the announcment to denounce his award.......you would think that if the Repubs had any class at all, they would have just congratulated him, and shut their mouths for at least a day, and then if they had a problem with it, dole it out later.....but as always.....no one can accuse the Repubs of having any class........

.....in attacking the President for winning an award that is prestigious in the eyes of the world, the Repubs have shown that they are capable of putting their party, ahead of their country, each and every time......

when you 'weigh' the graft more on the 'right' you may not be seeing the whole picture.

#78 | Posted by afkabl2

......there are just a few Repubs like McCain, Ron Paul, a few others that don't spring to mind that vote with their conscience.......

......I can disagree with them on issues, but respect the fact that they are voting with their conscience for the most part......

......regretfully......based on what they say, and how they vote.....I have to judge that the majority of the Repubs are nothing but corporate whores......its actually a very sad statement for our democracy........

remember the report from some time back that showed that more dems were richer in congress..
......#78 | Posted by afkabl2

....yes.....I do remember......

....and that's possibly why they are less likely to be bribed.......they don't need the money.....

As for the DNC--they should pay attention since there are many on the left who saying the same darn thing as Steele.
......#84 | Posted by MURPHY

.....nobody gives a shit about the Nobel prize except the Republicans.....

..........they've got their shorts in a knot over a glorified beauty pagent award......

.......they just hate Obama so much, they would be up in arms if he won a kareoke competition.......

Lets try it this way...
......#87 | Posted by crispee_oc

......like I said.....nobody gives a shit about that award except the Republicans.......

....they want Obama to do this, they want Obama to do that......

.....it's a meaningless award....they are simply attacking Obama because that's all they know how to do.......

.....if they had any class at all, they would have just congratulated him and bit their tongue......

.....Obama did not think he deserved it either, but he will graciously accept it in the spirit that it was intended........that's class........

That is unlikely he would win.
......#89 | Posted by crispee_oc

.....I know....Rush's head would be twice its size with outrage.......

.....and he would demand that Obama return the prize.......

Why do you continue to ignore the core to my argument? I just laid it out from my perspective and as you know I am a republican. Is it a waste of time expecting a response to those reasons? Can you get off the they want this and they say that? Does my argument have any merit?
.....#92 | Posted by crispee_oc

......a couple of things.....first....I am not a Democrat......

.....I am not ignoring your points, but think, when in your life, did you take a principled stand against any other recipient of a Nobel prize ?.....

.....when did the NRC take a position against any other recipient ??...I was around when Arafat got the prize, but I did not hear any Republicans complaining.......

......have you complained about any other Nobel prize recipient, in literature, physics, chemistry, science ??....have you ?....there have been some contraversial winners, never a peep from you or the Republicans........

.....frankly...when Jimmy Carter won it, no one complained or asked him to take it back , yet his peace initiatives ultimately failed miserably ...where was the outrage ??.......

......like I said, Obama knows he did not deserve it, he did not ask for it, but it would be arrogant and rude to turn it down.......he is going to do the classy thing and accept it in the spirit that it was intended.......

......it's not that the Repubs are beating a dead horse......they are beating a meaningless horse, that no one cares about but them.......and they are looking like a really hateful, spiteful, classless bunch in doing it....

and silenced the same critics.
.....#93 | Posted by crispee_oc

......you and I both know that those critics will never be silenced.......

.....they will continue relentlessly until Obama's last day in office.....

.....the corporate whores are outraged that an American is standing up to their corporate agenda on behalf of the American people........

......later Crispee, gotta go.......