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China's Ministry of Commerce on Thursday said a U.S. decision to impose preliminary duties on imports of Chinese-made steel pipes broke global trade rules. The case is one of the biggest to move through the U.S. trade litigation system in recent years. President Barack Obama faces a September 17 deadline to decide whether to curb tire imports from China.

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President Obama is starting to actually prove he gets it on trade policies. The hell with China and their Communist government subsidized industry forcing layoffs in the US with cheap goods. I hear Obama is also going to let the dollar fall a bit which will also make imports more expensive and US produced goods cheaper overseas, which is the same thing China has been doing to us for years.

Silly Danni thinks that tariffs magically happen in a vacuum, and that somehow this doesn't come back on us twofold. Or does she think the Yellow Horde will just take this lying down? Silly Danni.

Silly cookfish doesn't understand that all the things being tariffed are things we used to make but that's bad because we shouldn't make them....right!

Silly ass moneywar doesn't realize who holds the strings, much like he doesn't realize a whole lot of things. Tariffs go both ways, something that moneywar should relate to.

I hate absolutely hate Chinese steel pipe. It rusts quicker and the dope doesn't stick to it as easily as USA Made pipe. I would dearly love to know what they do to fuck the shit up so bad.

Larry

I hate absolutely hate Chinese steel pipe.

I didn't know you worked in the oil industry, Larry. Do you still, or was that in the past?

No I just do all of our home plumbing jobs. Ran My first Natural gas line when I was 13. From the meter towards the house I can do. Sewer pipe I have troubles with. You have to oakum/lead the cast iron. I am not that good with that. Now PVC is a cinch. Just cut to fit and glue it. Easy really.

Larry

Oh and that Orangeburgh is a real bitch. It's what they had in the 40's when cast iron was scarce because of the war effort. All that shit is is thick tarpapered sewer pipe that is prone for collapsing and roots infesting them. It is so named Orangeburgh because it was manufactured in Orangeburgh New York.

Larry

Jobs leaving the country by the thousands (millions) and some folks think we should do nothing about it while the Chinese laugh their asses off at them. Are you stupid enough not to know that the Chinese protect their market all the time while transnational corporations who don't give a shit about America make millions by convincing idiots that protectionism is bad.
When the country is finally completely broke and every job outsourced, only then will some folks say...."you know maybe I was wrong about protecting our market."

Danni, fundamentally, is international trade good or bad?

Do you think the US should/could self sustain itself?

"Danni, fundamentally, is international trade good or bad?


Do you think the US should/could self sustain itself?"


Do you have a point? I don't like playing question and answer games. Post your opinion, I already posted mine.

Jobs leaving the country by the thousands (millions) and some folks think we should do nothing about it while the Chinese laugh their asses off at them.

So far Obama is doing plenty about it. He's driving more jobs out of this country, out of existence and into the unemployment lines.

I'm not trying to make a point I was just trying to see how protectionist you are. My opinion is that protectionism ends up causing more harm than good, as we piss off our trade partners they piss us off. The easiest example is that a large Japanese automaker exists in my hometown, and thousands would lose their job if we ceased trade and promoted protectionism.

Buy American cars, and put my home town out of business.

Incidently, sorry to play a question answer game, Danni.

Protectionism is bad, particularly when we are on the receiving end of it from China and China's currency manipulation. Making the playing field even is better than nothing.

Buy American cars, and put my home town out of business.

#13 | Posted by andyuhenet at 2009-10-10 05:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Andy, those ARE American cars. They are built by Americans on American soil. And those workers earn money to take care of their American families.

You want to have fun with Danni? Ask how she feels about developing domestic energy sources, rather than outsourcing oil worker jobs. And letting Third World despots control us.

So far Obama is doing plenty about it. He's driving more jobs out of this country, out of existence and into the unemployment lines.

#12 | Posted by Ray


Ray if we paid steel workers 3.35 an hour maybe we could compete with them and bring back all the jobs? I figure that is your solution right?

Jackass

Jobs won't come back until the environment for the production of wealth is restored. That means:
Massive amounts of debt have to be extinguished.
Government shrinks to a small fraction of what it is.
Government stops intervening in the market.
Taxes and regulations are severely reduced.
The dollar is on a commodity standard.
Americans start to save.

Sadly, it won't happen for the foreseeable future. Obama is on the same path that's been destroying jobs in the past.

thick tarpapered sewer pipe that is prone for collapsing and roots infesting them

No shit,I replaced mine.Hard caliche dirt,by hand with a shovel.Hard as cement when digging,get it wet you can't even shake the muck off your shovel.After a week had to get a motel room to take a bath.Best part,being able to flush the toilet again

Ray what you propose would really change the way this country operates. the poor and elderly would suffer the most if we shrunk the govt down to what you want.

We need to worry about supplying ourselves with our steel. The Dollar will break.

We as a country need to be self-sustainable.

Ray,

During the fifties the highest tax bracket was 90%; Finance, Insurance & Real Estate was 2% of US Corporate profits unstead of the 40% they are today. Those were the good days when the Government built our superhighways after the Panama Canal, Hoover Dam and winning WWII.

Every country in the world is protectionist of their emerging industries and markets. We would be to, if the Chicago School Economists hadn't been a bunch of liars bought and paid for by Wall Street criminals.

The only reason for this meltdown is suspension of depression era regulations, set in motion first by Robert Rubin. He made $100 million running Citicorp into the ground, which taxpayers are now bailing out. These shiesters are now forming subsidaries which are buying up 300,000 foreclosures a month. Small change compared to the naked short selling while buying SWAPS. Its a planned demolition. These people will gladly destroy the country for profit.

There will never be a recovery unless the stranglehold Wall Street has on Washington.

Barry's "beggar thy neighbor policies" will make Smoot-Hawley look like free trade.

Reuters:
China will take the global top spot as #1 manufacturer of wind turbines in 2009.

Current leading wind manufacturers -- which also include the US's General Electric, India's Suzlon and Germany's Enercon -- are soon to be facing fierce global competition . . . in 2009 and 2010, two Chinese companies -- local market leader Goldwind and Sinovel -- have big export plans, and others are not far behind.

if the US limits pipe import, China will simply divert more steel to wind turbines


Oh, and about those Green Jobs the politicians promised "could NEVER be outsourced" . . .
they're already gone


Ray what you propose would really change the way this country operates. the poor and elderly would suffer the most if we shrunk the govt down to what you want.
#19 | Posted by jackass

You've been mislead into believing government is the cure when it's the problem. Problems aren't solved when the masses are lied to and coerced. They're created.

There will never be a recovery unless the stranglehold Wall Street has on Washington.
#21 | Posted by nutcase
'

You're right, but I would go further and say there won't be a recovery until voters lose faith in big government.

You've been mislead into believing government is the cure when it's the problem.

LoL!!!

And you're leading us down the correct path...LOL!!

Ray, if you were not so hardcore pro corporate anti labor I might take what you have to say with a small bit of validity.

You're right, but I would go further and say there won't be a recovery until voters lose faith in big government.

I would go further and say there won't be a recovery until voters lose faith in big corporations.

Money

In a way you are right. But I remind you that big corporations get their power from big government. It is fair to say that our government is mercantile, corporatist, or oligarchical in nature.

Ray, if you were not so hardcore pro corporate anti labor

It seems that way to you because you're filtering what I say through your own wrongful ideas. In a laissez faire setting corporations can achieve monetary power by satisfying consumer needs and wants. In an interventionist setting, corporations get political power through government. The more political power corporations have, the less monetary power they need. In short, political power is a means of screwing the working public.

I would go further and say there won't be a recovery until voters lose faith in big corporations.

Voters don't vote for corporations in the ballot box. They vote with money. Money that can't be coerced.

"The easiest example is that a large Japanese automaker exists in my hometown, and thousands would lose their job if we ceased trade and promoted protectionism."

Americans would still need cars but they just might not be the one's Japan sells. If they stopped production in the United States then more Chevys and Fords would be built.
I have been following the US/China trade argument and what I have heard is that if we stop China from dumping tires and steel here they are threatening to stop buying chickens from us. Guess what, I think the US can withstand a Chinese prohibition on chickens, any jobs associated are low pay and the industry is a major polluter. We don't want to be China's Chicken ranch, we want to be a manufacturing economy again.

Ray,
Big government
big Government
BIG Government

how many ways can you say it.

I forgot, big government is good when trillions of "Big Government"
dollars go to defense contractors.
"Big government" dollars are good when banks are bailed out.

"Big Government" dollars are good when Bush pillaged the treasury on the way out.

Which "Big Government" is the bad "Big Government"?

Yes,
The "nigger big government":...how silly of me.

Armyvet,

Not that I always agree wiwth Ray but you have him pegged wrong.

Danni chickens and tires are the small picture
if China quits buying our debt in a busted bond sale
it's game over

#31 | Posted by ArmyVet
Which "Big Government" is the bad "Big Government"?

"Big" is a quantitative adjective, the entire political system that has grown beyond all reasonable bounds.

"Danni chickens and tires are the small picture
if China quits buying our debt in a busted bond sale
it's game over"

No we'd just have to raise taxes on the rich back to where they were before we started borrowing....pre-Reagan levels. Wall Street wouldn't like it but it would be much better for Main St. and the working class. They would have to start making money by making things instead of just moving money around.

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