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Gov. Bobby Jindal: A majority of so-called Republican strategists believe that health care is a Democratic issue. They are wrong; health care is an American issue, and the Republican Party has an opportunity to demonstrate that conservative principles work when applied to real-world problems.

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I think he makes valid points. But if this goof wants to run for president, no thanks.

no thanks

Why is that? I'm not baiting, I would just like to know.

Yeah, me too, why cant Piyush run?

Aside from my disagreement with him on just about every social issue and the Patriot Act, I just don't think he has the aggressive personality needed for the next leader of our country.

Awwww, Joe, with Palin as his VP he will make a great candidate.

"Yeah, me too, why cant Piyush run?"

Sure he can run, but a program to convert America to Hinduism probably isn't going to get him the nomination.


Aside from my disagreement with him on just about every social issue and the Patriot Act, I just don't think he has the aggressive personality needed for the next leader of our country.

#4 | Posted by JOE at 2009-10-07 09:31 AM | Reply

That is fair.

However, you've got to admit that much of the hatred generated toward this guy is irrational and partisan. |


I liked the news pics of Jindal going around to Louisiana parishes making a big production of giving away the stimulus money he said he didn't want, giant size checks with the LA state seal and his signature in big print and all....it just sets him apart from the usual pol, know whut I mean?

Very fair Joe. I am with you on the social concerns, but I think fiscally, he has made some progress here in Louisiana.

"However, you've got to admit that much of the hatred generated toward this guy is irrational and partisan."

I'll agree with that. The obsession with calling him "Piyush" by the same people who whine when people call Obama "Hussein" is also comical.

I like Jindal proposing cutting state education funding and then using a helicopter to fly to church on Sundays for several weeks which costs Louisiana taxpayers $188,000.

The obsession with calling him "Piyush" by the same people who whine when people call Obama "Hussein" is also comical.

Agreed.

Tax,

As a lefty, can you explain the abject hatred directed toward Jindal from the left?

I am not asking you to defend him.

It is obvious that you have a more-informed take on this guy.

Personally, I find him to be innocuous - he is certainly not offensive.

Regardless, I will now shut-up and listen to your critique both good and bad.

The left in Louisiana doesn't hate Jindal. Personally I think he is a middle of the road type of guy who believes in a balanced budget. I am not so much with him on social issues, and his devout catholicism is kind of a turn-off (this coming from a catholic), but he generally keeps those issues to himself.

"and the Republican Party has an opportunity to demonstrate that conservative principles work"

Makes one wonder -------- Just What had been "demonstrated" for the last Eight Years?

This has to be a Joke! Who is this gonna win over, the RNC already has a lock on the ADHD crowd!

How Embarrassing for you!

make sure that you read ALL of what he said and not just the biased headline. he was all over cable this morning and the problem he will have is that much of it is free market based and the neomarxists will not allow that to happen

The obsession with calling him "Piyush" by the same people who whine when people call Obama "Hussein" is also comical.

#10 | Posted by JOE at 2009-10-07 09:40 AM

It's hilarious.

Look how "outraged" they are here: www.drudge.com

"The obsession with calling him "Piyush" by the same people who whine when people call Obama "Hussein" is also comical."

One Changed their Name -- The Other Didn't!

One Ran and Runs now from his Heritage, the other, eh, lets the petty show themselves!

Says a lot about their Character(s). One has got some, the other, not so much!

"the Republican Party has an opportunity to show that conservative principles work when applied to real-world problems." BJ

That would be refreshing. The Republican party has spent decades demonstrating that conservative principles don't work when applied to real-world problems.

Piyush just has such a great "real American" sound as Sarah would say. Folks 'real America' will love him huh?

Does the phrase "hoist on his own petard" have any meaning for y'all?

Perhaps you are more familiar with the goose and gander reference.

you see, repubs CAN sound reasonable..or at least SOME can. He'll no doubt be drowned out by the more strident and hysterical voices of Limpbaugh and the ever-repulsive Beck but at least he is trying and I give him points for that. His plan also makes sense and points should be incorporated in whatever health care reform is finally passed. If parents want to continue paying for their children to remain on their coverage, why not? Especially if the kids are unemployed.

"Yet hope for meaningful reform need not be lost. Only two things need to happen. First, Democrats have to give up on their grand experiment and get serious about bipartisan solutions. Second, Republicans have to join the battle of ideas."

BULL FUCKING SHIT!!!!

Ram it down the Republicans' throats! This is our due.

Elections have consequences.

Republicans only bite at extended hands. Fuck them. They lost. They have no power. Ram this legislation up their fucking asses. They can't do a god damn thing about it.

Ram it down the Republicans' throats! This is our due.

Won't maintain a majority for long with that kind of thinking.

Tax, point noted, now open wide, or bend and spread em, as is your wont.

Won't maintain a majority for long with that kind of thinking.

#23 | Posted by taxman

No party ever does. Get it while you can. They could NEVER undo it.

Ram it......

Jindal is spot on. Healthcare does require reform, only not the reform the Demos are proposing. He proposes 10 common sense ideas, that the Demos won't incorporate into legislation. They whine that the Repubs don't have a plan. Here is one, but that does not appear on the radar of the demos, they can admit that such a plan exists. They dismiss anything that the repubs propose, because they are not being honest.
They want their socilistic and statist solutions, that will increase taxes and spending.

^.^


"Yet hope for meaningful reform need not be lost. Only two things need to happen. First, Democrats have to give up on their grand experiment and get serious about bipartisan solutions. Second, Republicans have to join the battle of ideas."


BULL FUCKING SHIT!!!!


Ram it down the Republicans' throats! This is our due.


Elections have consequences.


Republicans only bite at extended hands. Fuck them. They lost. They have no power. Ram this legislation up their fucking asses. They can't do a god damn thing about it."

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I agree! Ram healthcare, and stumulus, and anything else ya want right down our throats, if you have the balls for it. Like you said, *we* can't do anything about it. *We* lost the election, we don't have the White House, or the Congress, so you Liberalista Dems can and should just pass the damn legislation already ... like I said last time this came up :: I DARE YOU!

Because what will happen is *we* will use all of this BS to launch an electoral groundswell that will make Obama and the Dems look like Mondale in 1984. The Dems will be lucky to be admitted to the bathrooms in Congress, much less the floor of either of the chambers.

SO go ahead, pass the Liberalista BS agenda.


John B.
www.politicscity.com

Republicans contnrolled both houses of Congress and the Presidency, they gave a big wet kiss to BigPharma with Medicare drug bill, now they pretend that they have a plan to reform healthcare after they have clearly demonstrated that corporate profits were more important to them than the welfare of the American people.
Jindals ideas are "a day late and a dollar short."
Remember, we Democrats would not be pushing real healthcare reform if the Republicans had done anything to reform it when they had the chance.
Since things were allowed by the Republicans to get so bad the reforms necessary are going to be more drastic and cut deeper into corporate leech profits.
Maybe next time Republicans will think a little harder about their constituents instead of just their corporate owners.

PLEASE, PLEASE run Bobby 'The Volcano Expert' Jindal in 2012. Palin would be a great addition to the ticket too.

a program to convert America to Hinduism

Not conceivable.

You have to be born one... and born one ... and born one...

Funny flag, Silver Ironist

Jindal is correct. This would work, and its what people want. However, he neglected the obvious fact that most Republicans have no balls...

Jon-
Republicans HAD an opportunity. What they did was pass an unfunded $1.2 trillion bill known as Medicare Part D as a sop to shore up their new pandering to seniors and ongoing payback to big pharma.

But now that they are out of power they are just bubbling over with wonderful ideas that they would implement were they ever given power ever again ....

"Yeah, me too, why cant Piyush run?"

He wasn't born in America. No one can produce a birth certificate for "Robert Jindal" or even "Bobby Jindal".
Also, calling sexual molestation an "exorcism" just won't cut it. Besides, who wants a Hindu in the White House?

BetelG has it right. Republicans had six years of entirely unfettered power to show how "conservative principles work when applied to real-world problems". And, no, filibusters wouldn't have stopped it (how many times did Lott and Frist use reconciliation?).

Unless you want to argue that health care costs and access weren't a problem until January 2007.

They didn't do jack shiat except, as you noted, Medicare Part D.

Jindal doesnt push his personal beliefs on anyone - but that doesnt mean he doesnt support legislation that does. But Jindal is a policy wonk. He loves healthcare and has done some good work on the issue. If there is one politician who knows what he is talking about - he is one.

The critique I have of Jindal's health care reform suggestions is that all the important ones can be achieved with a public option.

Purchasing pools: Check
Portability: Check
Lawsuit reform: Not part of a public plan
Require coverage of preexisting Dx: Check
Price transparency: Check
Electronic medical records: Check
Tax-free HSA: Not part of a public option per se. HSA's currently exist; changing the tax structure will have minimal impact.
Rewarding healthy lifestyle choices: Likely beyond the scope of insurance reform
Cover young adults: Check
Refundable tax credits: unnecessary with Public Option

We can get the majority of what Jindal suggests from a public option. Which sounds a lot easier and more efficient than having Congress trying to micro-manage the health insurance industry.

I think a lot of you leftist here are missing a very large point... that Republican and Conservative are not always (lately, not ever) the same thing.

For the last few years, other than military issues, the elected republicans have just been slightly less socialist that the dems. But only slightly.

What a growing percentage of the population are beginning to realize is that neither party has anyone's interest in mind but themselves. I can't imagine that it has always been this way, but more and more, that is the way it appears.

Now, as for Mr. Jindal's suggestions... if they would accomplish a lot of the same things as the gov't take over of health care, why don't we try them first? Why take a radical and, in my opinion, completely unworkable approach?

Is it more important to solve the problem, or more important to be "rammed" down peoples throats or up their asses... whatever orafice turns you guys on the left on the most?

Health Care reform is not a Democrat issue?

Jindal is right there.

He's also right in insinuating that if the Rs don't stop being knee-jerk obstructionists on this issue it will go poorly for them at the polls in the near term.

If they start working with rather than against the new administration on this issue then their chances of regaining political power can only improve.

It's not just the right thing to do politically it's also the right thing to do period.

Be Well.

They whine that the Repubs don't have a plan. Here is one, but that does not appear on the radar of the demos, they can admit that such a plan exists. They dismiss anything that the repubs propose, because they are not being honest.
They want their socilistic and statist solutions, that will increase taxes and spending.

#26 | Posted by mtnewc19 at 2009-10-07 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:


Republicans have asked for over 180 amendments to the current bull and got over 160 of them approved......and then not a single repub voted for it.

Fuck 'em.....time to use the nuclear option!

If they start working with rather than against the new administration on this issue then their chances of regaining political power can only improve.

What would you want republican political power to improve? You don't. Here's the real message:

The democrats shouldn't need republican support. They have a filibuster proof majority in congress and a democratic president.

It's a cop out for the democrats who can't even do it given their overwhelming majority, so let's once again blame the republcans, folks! LOL

What a growing percentage of the population are beginning to realize is that neither party has anyone's interest in mind but themselves.

No doubt, and it will take some time to detach all the leeches from our GDP, but it must be done.

This has to be a national priority, even Bobby Vishnu Jindal gets that, of course being Governor of Louisiana it's probably hard not to notice.

Our privateer health insurance model is neither obliged nor required to provide universal insurace. Those without insurance ultimately find care in a colorful quilt of city, county, state, religious, charitable, and Federal operators and funding mechanisms.

None of which provide sufficient continuum and continuity of care to sustain healthier outcomes.

Often times disease which can be treated medically such as addiction become one of two million Americans incarcerated by the criminal justice system, where costs are amplified. Rather than simply pay for the medical treatment, we pay for police, judges, lawyers, and prisons. And the prisoner receives taxpayer-funded health care. Paying for care up front would be cheaper.


Do you really think the Founders envisioned an America where prisoners were treated better than citizens?

Really?

I understand it's not a (pre-Mudd) crime to tend to the wounds of the tarred and feathered, but it's certainly not constitutionally mandated that we cannot provide health care to whoever the hell we want to. Have you even read this document? Indians are a natural resource!

But if you want to have it your way, fine. Have it your way, America is your Burger King, where prisoners have a right to free (no out of pocket cost to them) health care and you do not. Enjoy your stay.

While in prison, taxpayers will pay for your health care. But not for their own. They are reluctant to pay for undesirable low-lifes who ought to be in prison but aren't yet.


Just pave the road and be done with it. "The Governemnt can't do anything right!" you ain't been around. I drove Fresh Gubmint Assphalt half the states in this country. It was smooth as glass and blacker than our President!

I would take Jindal seriously on this point of Republicans can fix healthcare if, just once, I could find evidence that a Republican president had made fixing our decades-broken healthcare system a priority for his administration.

Republicans have asked for over 180 amendments to the current bull and got over 160 of them approved......and then not a single repub voted for it.

Fuck 'em.....time to use the nuclear option!

#40 | Posted by COMMONSENSE

THIS.

Be Well.


Republicans contnrolled both houses of Congress and the Presidency, they gave a big wet kiss to BigPharma with Medicare drug bill, now they pretend that they have a plan to reform healthcare after they have clearly demonstrated that corporate profits were more important to them than the welfare of the American people.

#28 | Posted by danni at 2009-10-07 12:51 PM


please google the white house 'deal' with pharma to support OBAMA"S govt takeover

thank you

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