Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

From 2001 to 2006, the percentage of new products cut from development after Phase II clinical trials, when drugs are first tested against placebo, rose by 20 percent. The failure rate in more extensive Phase III trials increased by 11 percent, mainly due to surprisingly poor showings against placebo. Despite historic levels of industry investment in R&D, the US Food and Drug Administration approved only 19 first-of-their-kind remedies in 2007the fewest since 1983and just 24 in 2008. Half of all drugs that fail in late-stage trials drop out of the pipeline due to their inability to beat sugar pills.

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Does this mean that our scientists are getting dumber? Or are drug manufacturers testing more and more drugs with less expectation that they will yield positive results, all in a gamble to increase their profits?

Pretty soon you'll be able to get stoned off of oregano.

"Placebos Are Getting More Effective"

Humans are getting more gullible.

Humans are getting more gullible.
.......#3 | Posted by Zatoichi

.....or perhaps our Telekinetic powers are increasing.......

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#5 | Posted by skizziks at 2009-10-05 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag: too much frijoles

"I'm levitating.....!"

It's Baron Harkonnen!

.....hey !!.....I'm levitating.....!!

Must be some good oregano.

"Placebos Are Getting More Effective"

Humans are getting more gullible.
#3 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-10-05 11:53 AM

That flies in the face of the findings. You have to come up with something to explain this rather than ignoring the positive results. Analyze damned it!

Hypnosis works.

Just this morning I'm still contemplating a video signal to include on Public Access for a CRT photo receiver. I'm hoping I can also program people to wash their hands before and after using the toilet but am curious if negative enforcement would be more suited to Americans? Would mental images of diseased genitals induce the desire to bathe? We'll find out..:]

They should try a similar study except with fake doctors.

" more financial woes for the beleaguered pharmaceutical industry".

Financial woes? For pharmeceuticals?

Where do I get me sum dis Placebo stuff? Is it as good as Jeebus Juice and Oxys?

--Rush

In general placebos have a 20% success rate. The mind is a powerful thing!!!

For instance, ever read the side effects of meds your Doctor gives you to 2 weeks after commencing dosage.

Funny side bar: I was sea sick once in the dry tortugas, and put on the scoop band aide patch (transderm scoop anti motion sickness medicine). Half hour later I was singing and loving life.

Shortly thereafter I found the bandaide on the deck. i had never peeled off the last layer, so the medicine had never touched my skin!!

never/ever

I've always said I'd take a placebo if it helped....

"Would mental images of diseased genitals induce the desire to bathe?"

Maybe, maybe not, but this much is certain:

No one would ever need to buy ipecac again.

OOps originally posted on wrong thread.

THe first time I went to sea on a Navy ship I was sick as a dog. I went to the corpsman and asked for some medicine that would keep me from getting sea sick. He gave me two tablets.

The next day he asked me if I felt better. I said I did. I asked for more of the medicine. He told me they were salt tablets and that seasickness was all in my head.

The next 5.5 years in the Navy, I never got sick again. Here on the rig I see people getting sick if we get > 5 foot seas. I laugh.

If I wanted to prove that sugar pills were a useful drug, what placebo would I test them against?

I've had three big positions go against me, in a row. Acadia Pharmaceuticals, Chelsea Therapeutics, and Osiris, all on the placebo affect. I still like my chances on all of them, but there's nothing like having Phase-3 trial go well, but not as well against the placebo as they had hoped, and having the stock get nailed by 60%.

Placebos plus Lies Work Best!!!

So that means that...people who just think they're sick...now don't think they're quite as sick..as they used to think they were....right...but if they find out they're feeling better..only because of a placebo...would that news make them feel a whole lot sicker???

I'm guessing the new "Health Plan" will have a significant number of placebos in place...

"Placebos Are Getting More Effective"

"Humans are getting more gullible."

Humans have always been gullible, just listen to what P.T. Barnum had to say about them.

Now there are just so god damn many of them that the perception is askew.

Stand somewhere, say at your kids various sports practices / games, and look out into the distance noticeably. Then after a few moments look at the amount of dummies looking the same way.


"Placebos Are Getting More Effective"

I may have put my thoughts a bit inartfully upthread so I'll try again.

Could it be possible that its not the placebos that are being found to be more effective, but that the drugs that are being tested are less effective? That would make the placebos look better by comparison, wouldn't it?

And if drugs that are being tested are less effective, how could this come about? Is it possible that since the manufacturers are in the business of making drugs that they have to continually test new drugs even if there is increasingly less reason to believe that they would do what they are designed to do?

I think there is something more going on here than has been addressed on this thread.

It could be, contrary to what Zat says that "humans are getting more gullible" but that humans are evolving to a point where their ability to control their physical condition with their minds is increasing? I know, it sounds like pseudo science fiction with a buddist slant and I'm just wondering out loud.

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Yes, get Obecalp NOW to solve all your medical complaints!

Invented by a mommy, so it MUST be good for you...

I'm guessing we'll see truckloads of these for sale under any new "Health Care Reform" package...what a great way to save a bunch of money on health care!

"Placebos Are Getting More Effective" = Humans are getting more gullible.

That's obvious considering the last election. "Trust me, I'll give you hope and change...." "Really, I'm the real thing, I have lots of experience and can solve all your problems, I promise."

Not bad, not bad at all

"If I wanted to prove that sugar pills were a useful drug, what placebo would I test them against?"


Not bad, not bad at all

Let's just say what this headline is really saying: People are Getting Stupider and Will Believe Anything They Are Told

-so the medicine had never touched my skin!!


But you believed it so it worked.

I haven't read this whole article, but as I recall, the promotion of pills in general on TV and such adds to the belief that pills work.

In psychology classes, I remember studying the Rumpelstiltskin Effect, where naming a thing gives it power.

Walking in a Doctor's office with all sorts of diplomas hanging on the wall is another, similar example.

Placebos have always been a fascinating study in how the mind works, and the value of faith in something causing a measurable effect.

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