Gosh, maybe this IS a liberal blog.....it's been hard to tell on most of the threads i've been on......there is a group of rabid rw trolleyboys who post inanity, insults, namecalling and ad hominem attacks on every thread I've seen on DR....

but i'm guessing if i wait long enough, supper break will end and they will show up here soon, eh?

LOL

1. how does the insurance company cover the imbalance between the premiums collected from this person and the claims paid out on that person?
2. Remember, they are not printing or picking the money off a big tree in the yard to cover the imbalance and they certainly aren't able to operate on a negative balance sheet.
3. So, how do the insurance companies remain viable?
4. Okay, so if the multitudes gravitate to a public option, and they pay in less than the claims paid out for them, where does the Gummit get the money to keep the program viable?

#17 | POSTED BY LIBERTARIAN_GI AT 2009-10-01 06:51 PM

1. Uh, not everyone gets sick? DUH

2. Show us ONE hmo or healthcare/pharma corp that doesn't post an astronomical profit margin

3. Uh, the usa is the ONLY industrialized nation without a public option.......a. why have these companies not gone under already and b. why are they choosing to do business with the PEOPLE of these other countries????????

4. Public healthcare, like the VA, medicaid and medicare cut 30% overhead and profit OUT of the loop from the beginning. Combine that with computerizing records and ending most fraud thereby and you have an answer IF you would ONLY open your mind beyond what a group of multimillionaires are telling you to believe...

Donnerboy

From what i can tell, the group I'm talking about wax each other's wankers in a frenzied CIRCLE JERK of no FACTS< no substance, no logic, and nothing on topic....

and don't worry about me.....I'm 60, retired after working 40 years, vietnam vet and have spent more time dealing with the less educated than most people....I was a special ed teacher for 30 years

LOL

I just feel it's a shame to have a liberal site infested with a group of right wing circle jerks who aren't interested in honest debate and prefer fouling every thread with juvenile bullshit....

eh?

A large majority of my posts go unaddressed.

#25 | POSTED BY LIBERTARIAN_GI AT 2009-10-01 07:16 PM

mine too libertarian, at least the substance of them, however, i have attracted a following of trolleyboys (my term for them) and ignoring is not my strong suit.....

I have never suffered ad hominem attacks from you to my knowledge.....and I hope i have never attacked you personally......
if so, you have my sincere apology....sometimes it's difficult to tell the wheat from the chaff.....when under attack.

however.....what is wrong with taxes??

You have no problem with police/fire/highways/bridges/
FDIC

i presume??

form a more perfect UNION=collectively bargain

promote the general WELFARE=healthcare for ALL Americans

I'm not afraid of sharing my info, though i've noticed none of the trolleyboys step up to doing so also, poor lil fellas....skeered of their own shadows, i guess.....

60 yr old
retired special ed teacher (hence my penchant for educating trolls)
vietnam vet
father of 5
grandfather of 7
own my own home and 3 autos
love yard work and honest debate and ncaa sports
have been blogging on ThinkProgress, Newshounds and a couple other blogs for 5 yrs
consider myself an independent, but also a fiscal conservative and social liberal
have voted for dems/indys/repubs for 40 years

As long as obamacare isn't forced on me, I probably will be.

#153 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-10-02 06:23 AM |

Look up the word OPTION, son.

It'll be FUNNY to see how fast these naysayers jump at the chance for secure healthcare with lower prices,.........IF a public option is offered.

I listened to a public radio interview with a "co-op" manager and a couple of other healthcare industry people this am. The ALL said that co-ops provide better chance for quality and better consumer satisfaction BUT will not reduce the COSTS.

My copays have gone from $5 to $20 in the last 10 years or so, and originally, my plan paid 100%, but now only 80% of costs. ER has gone from $25 to $100.

Can you do math?

snoofy,

I had the same experience with our 4 yr old granddaughter who was tired last night.

We have cheerios? NO
We have life cereal? NO
We have fruity pebbles? NO
We have wheaties? NO

I want lucky charms?
We don't have those....

NO?

LOL

I've been in the "real world" now for 60 yrs EBERLY. What does that have to do with it. Healthcare reform was proposed first the last time a dem was potus and repugs shouted it down then....and now they are doing it again.

The party of NO!

Enough doctors are NOT the problem. Where the hell do you come up with that crapola? Man, one red herring, faux issue after another.

My point is easy to understand and verified by history. As dems try to reform and offer a CHOICE to Americans, the COSTS RISE, as they have done since the early 90's.

And as repugs play the FEAR card about the public option, healthcare/pharma corps RAISE prices like a gun manufacturer who uses that same repug fear tactic that dems will take your guns to sell more and at higher prices.

Frankly, I'm tired of watching and listening to DUPES who have been snowed for DECADES into positions that are AGAINST their best interests.

lead, follow, or get the fk out of the way

eh?

EBERLY

Build it and they will come, eh?

LOL

And as I have been telling people since i began posting on this site about a month ago.....

namecalling is not only NOT an argument, it detracts from whatever argument you might have had......it insures people understand that your argument is specious, otherwise, why the need to namecall, eh?

LOL

poor analogy?

The healthcare reform can include incentives to train new healthcare professionals and stop rewarding those who play golf 3 days a week for a living.

Health Care Reform Could Provide More Doctors for Older Americans
By: Karen Springen | Source: AARP Bulletin Today | July 24, 2009

why do you think doctors are playing golf 3 days a week?
because there is a plentiful supply of them?

#182 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2009-10-02 11:28 AM

Par for the course: Golf rankings of doctors
Updated 7/5/2006 9:10 PM ET

By Jessica Sidman, USA TODAY
Pediatric urologist Bradley Kropp thinks about golf so much that he refers to surgical instruments as golf clubs.
"I asked for a driver, and you handed me a putter," he tells operating room nurses when they hand him the wrong scalpel.

Kropp is 14th on Golf Digest's rankings of America's 100 best golfer/doctors. The rankings consist of the top doctors with the lowest U.S. Golf Association handicap indexes. The list is part of the magazine's "Golf & Health" package, which hits newsstands Tuesday.

An additional 150 can be seen at www.golfdigest.com/doctors.

Orthopedic surgeons dominated the rankings, taking 15 spots in the top 100. Urologists came in second with eight.

Orthopedic surgeons tend to be the jocks of their profession, and urologists are known to be easygoing, says Furlong, who compiled the rankings.

But it was a pulmonary specialist from Savannah, Ga., who came in first. Doug Hanzel has qualified eight times for the U.S. Amateur and won nearly 20 local tournaments.

Many in the top 100 play several times per week and regularly compete in amateur tournaments. A few have also considered going pro. Some even live on golf courses.

Ah, here is kanrei.....becoming another lil stalker troll who posts nothing of substance, but just cannot help himself from denigrating me personally, instead of posting something on topic.

of course, when he does post his rw tp, don't think he's a rwr....he is an indy who always posts the rw pov, that's all...

LOL

EBERLY

perhaps you din't realize that saying "there aren't enough drs to give healthcare to everyone" is a right wing fear talking point.

my sincerest apologies and now you know better, right??

LOL

perhaps you din't realize that saying "there aren't enough drs to give healthcare to everyone" is a right wing fear talking point.

no it isn't. can you prove that?
#196 | POSTED BY EBERLY AT 2009-10-02 03:36 PM

ok eberly, if i prove it to you will you bother to admit you are wrong?
cause if so, it would prove to me you aren't just a rw dupe or shill, cause they NEVER admit when their misinformation and lies are debunked....

First of all, you COULD do the work yourself if you cared just to google not enough doctors

here ya go.....i found this in 30 secs...

Dick Morris' Concern About Universal Health Coverage: Not Enough Doctors To Go Around
Reported by Ellen - April 17, 2009 - 72 comments

Dick Morris must have given up on accusing Barack Obama of wanting to provide taxpayer-funded health insurance to illegal immigrants, at least for the time being. On last night's (4/16/09) Hannity, Morris came up with a new excuse to oppose the universal health care coverage most Americans want. After making the baseless claim that Obama's poll numbers are sinking fast, Morris told Sean Hannity last night that the problem with expanding health insurance is that there aren't enough doctors to go around. Instead of working to make sure there are more doctors, Morris seems to prefer that some people go without care.

That's because Obama stated it would be funded by taxing the wealthy. That isn't 'premium-based'.

#197 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2009-10-02 03:40 PM |

Tell us why you shill for the uber rich jeff?? cause i'm pretty sure you don't average 7.4 mil a year as the top 1% who would be affected the most, but can afford to have their taxes increased back to where reagan had them.......

is it just wannabee or what?

why would you not instead speak for what is in your own best interests??

Eberly,

I'm not saying there isn't a doctor shortage, especially in general practice.

I'm asking you WHY that would stop reform, especially considering that INCENTIVES to pay for dr. training could be installed into the bill, and then have them do what is needed for a set number of years.....

I even linked you an AARP article about it.

Why is the first inclination to throw the baby out with the bathwater?

Why is the first inclination to throw the baby out with the bathwater?
You mean like completely trash the current system and give the whole thing lock, stock, and barrel to a bankrupt government that is already mired in beauracracy and red tape?
Good question. I've asked it a lot, too.

#201 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-10-02 04:18 PM

See, this is exactly what i'm talking about.....
Pure hyperbole with a wisecrack thrown in....but, at least no namecalling and on topic too.....good job goatboy.

Uh, how is giving us an OPTION gonna trash the whole system pray tell.....

As i said, this kind of horseshit is just repug FEAR tactics so dupes like yourself will not only NOT think in terms of what is in your own best interest, but will in fact SHILL for those giant global healthcare /pharma corps.....

You are being a DUPE goat, unwitting or not??

EVERY industrialized nation in the WORLD already has a public option of some kind......

Did those corps refuse to barter?

Did they drop out of existence as a result?

Or do you think they just might be able to exist without GOUGING American working people by increasing their costs astronomically??

Get it straight.....they will play along with what the PEOPLE demand.

What we are seeing right now is how far from daring to demand a chance decent healthcare for ALL some people are....

They are "askeered" like you, goat....

No need to be though. And if a few MIDDLEMEN lose out, who cares....it's those who really don't provide anything to our healthcare, but rake in the windfalls that are worried about it....

Are you a pharma rep or what?
Do you work for an 'insurance' company?

If not, why are you shilling for giant global healthcare/pharma corps using their fear tactics against what's in your own best interest?

Confucious say: When two people argue, bystander takes advantage

Figure it out goat, we are at each other's throats while the richest and most powerful take advantage.....

ARe you able to understand and recognize that?

Ok Eberly

I SHOWED you that using the fear that there won't be enough drs to go around is a rw tp fear tactic

But you are more interested in making some point that you know best and i'm a liar.

more power to ya....

While i understand there are more specialists raking it in, that general practitioners, I also pointed out how reform could help that situation via incentives to training....(AARP article included)

But, you'd rather pretend you WON some blog argument than admit you are being disengenuous and not understanding that a dr shortage should NOT stop reform or a public option.

That's okay....there is a lot of that "I got you" on this site.....it doesn't add to the CREDIBILITY of what is said at all....

Have it your way son, I'll be on medicare soon....will you? LOL

Eberly said, "some of us with common sense"....like dick morris

HAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAAHAHAAAAH
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Well, he certainly knows which side of his bread is buttered.....eh?

He'd say the sky was yellow and the sun was blue if murdoch PAID him to........

You know who murdoch is?
The aussie who owns faux and a huge conglomerate of media.

How about unkkkle kkkarl? You remember the guy who outed our own cia ops, smeared a decorated war vet, tried to politicize our justice dept......and who now delivers the rw tp DIRECTLY, which is then spoken on faux, then parroted by the other corporate media incessantly....which makes it appear to be fact or "common sense" Kinda makes you think everyone thinks there way and they are the middle ground, eh? Don't be so easily fooled my friend.

If ONLY providing incentives, by itself, would reform healthcare, we wouldn't be having this discussion....

can you not realize that much with your "common sense"?

Whatever.....nice talking to someone on here that doesn't have to resort to personal attack and namecalling......I believe you are a good influence on some who usually do otherwise, so keep up the civilness....

Have a nice weekend

goat

i can take it and give it to those who know nothing else, but let me ask you this....

is there a difference in your eyes between a personal attack on a poster her on DR using namecalling and insults and little actual on topic substance

vs

posting some facts, linked articles with credible sources to support my opinions along with me calling that little weasel, chickenhawk, karl rove, unkkkle kkkarl??

did that disturb you?

do you identify that much with that sob?

that explains a lot about you my friend

goatman is employed?????

he spends the entire day after day posting on DR....it's pretty easily verified, just look at his plethora of posting....

i guess someone PAYS him to spend all day fkn off on DR.....

It always amazes me to see how the posting numbers drop at certain times of day and on the weekend.

Its pretty obvious that many posters are doing this at work....

or, it is their work, eh?

paid political prostitutes

LOL

or if they do it for no pay, that's even funnier, eh>?

LOL

INsurance companies are not in the business of curing people, bOoB. How can you carry on a meaningful debate about private health care vs public health care when you don't even know the roles the various players play?

#218 | POSTED BY GOATMAN AT 2009-10-02 10:29 PM

Jebus goat that is the point son. WHY should they get such a huge cut of the pie?

Like national security and education, healthcare should not be held hostage to profit and especially not the windfall profits they've gotten, and especially not people who aren't directly involved.

Try thinking of it as bypassing the middle man, goat.

Sorry, if you cannot understand that private healthcare insurance delivers services with a 30% overhead that govt purchased services from the same companies don't incur.

Good luck to ya tho.....I hope none of the dirty tricks ins co play on consumers ever falls on you or those you love.

We are not a socialist country.

What a crock of crapola.

Then give up your fire dept, police dept, public highways, bridges infrastructure, FDIC, social security, medicare/medicaid, VA...on and on

form a more perfect UNION=collectively bargain

promote the general WELFARE= for healthcare for ALL Americans, not just the rich....

Get this straight son. Your fear and smear right wing, corporate hacks are telling you this bs, while they collect millions to do so.
They have theirs, screw everyone else.

For our govt to bargain with the very same healthcare/pharma corps who presently deal with giant global INSURANCE corps is not socialism. It's intelligent. And it erases the MIDDLE MEN and their 30% extra costs....

Get a clue. Do some research and stop allowing multimillionaire shills to tell you what to think son.

Senate GOP leader offers no support to Ensign
By PETE YOST and LAURIE KELLMAN (AP) 18 hours ago
WASHINGTON Sen. John Ensign of Nevada was only beginning to emerge from a self-imposed political exile over fallout from his extramarital affair with a campaign aide. Now, tawdry new details about the case are raising fresh questions whether Ensign can be re-elected in 2012 or even face criminal charges over his behavior.
If Ensign was looking for signs of support among Republican leaders on Capitol Hill on Friday, he didn't get any. Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell declined repeatedly to answer questions about Ensign or offer any support. Other Republicans, already effectively a 60-40 minority in the Senate, also met the latest developments with silence, wary of speaking out until they see evidence of wrongdoing uncovered by the Senate ethics committee or federal law enforcement.