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In a column run yesterday on Newsmax, John L. Perry wrote that there's a chance the military might overthrow the U.S. government and remove President Obama. "There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the 'Obama problem,'" Perry wrote.

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Was this web site founded in Jan, 2009?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! That is hilarious!

"Describing what may be afoot is not to advocate it."

He's right, he is not advocating anything. He is just making up bullshit.

He's had too many beers.


We have elections--not coups.

More hyperbole.

That's a right-winger for you.

Newsmax sed wot now?!

LOL!

Looks like Newsmax is giving World Nut Daily a run fer their money in the "Making the National Enquirer look like responsible journalism" category.

Obama risks a coup?

S'rsly?

Man, them nutters is coup-coup fer KoKo Puffs.

Be Well.

Kennedy provoked this kind of idiotic talk as well. (Fletcher Knebel's and Carles Bailey's Seven Days in May was published in 1962.)

Just another Riiightie wetdream.

The VRWC is always in the mood for a coup after they lose an election.

That's what Clinton's impeachment was all about.

As Newt Gingrich was heard to say (with glass of booze held high) "And when were're through with Clinton, we're going after Gore!"

Coup Coup Ka Choo.


God Bless you. Oh, you didn't sneeze?

"Obama Risks Coup"

Well, he is an enemy to humanity and all.


......utter nonsense.......

must get glasses - i thought obama was exposed to "CROUP".

What a bunch of BS.

***"That's a right-winger for you."
#4 | Posted by false_profit***


***"Just another Riiightie wetdream."
#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis***

Those damn righties! The next thing you know they'll be making a movie about assassinating Obama. The could call it, hum, let me think of a good title..."Death of a President"!!!

The Right and its domestic terrorist network have been praying for a coup since November. They hate the thought that anybody but a Republican, even a failure like Bush or a traitor like Reagan, sit in the WH.

Party over Country, after all.

What's funny is how all the broad brushes come out when one of the DR's most well known teabagging partisans chimed in right away with We have elections--not coups. #3 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-09-29 11:15 PM.

Which of course makes the broad brushing leftards in this thread look like idiots.

Prescott Bush actually participated in an attempted coup against FDR.

""Back in the 1930s a general by the name of Smedley Butler exposed a plot to overthrow the government of Franklin Delano Roosevelt and install a fascist oligarchy backed by some of America's most powerful business leaders and conservatives. Prescott Bush, grandfather of George W., was among those linked to the plan.""

www.truthdig.com

38 Sates have sent Washington a declaration of Sovereignty and 2 are seriously looking at Ceeding!
This A-Hole illegally in the White House is Dividing and Destroying America, but then again, that was his plan!

38 Sates have sent Washington a declaration of Sovereignty and 2 are seriously looking at Ceeding!
This A-Hole illegally in the White House is Dividing and Destroying America, but then again, that was his plan!

#17 | Posted by emf958

Better put that tinfoil hat back on, Emf. You've been overexposed.

"Ceeding!"

Er...I don't think that someone who doesn't even know what word he is trying to use has an opinion worth considering.

A coup making Obama president for life will be quickly followed by a miltary counter revolution similar to what happened in Honduras. Libs play their games, we plau ours.

Fabulous Wunderkind Thom

"Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. "

I love this shit. Where was this guy during the previous administration? What specific Constitutional destruction has occurred under the Obama administration? Occurred as in been initiated? *sigh*

Merely examine the behavior of the recent demonstrations by Right Wingers in Washington DC and Left Wingers in Pittsburgh. Who is more likely to try to overcome a US Presidency with violence or the threat of violence?

"Imagine a bloodless coup..."

I think much, much higher of our Armed forces than this sorry POS.

But if such a coup would emerge, bloodless it wouldn't likely be, for numerous reasons including the unlikelihood it would bring the entirety of the defense and security establishment along with it.

"Who is more likely yo overcome a US presidency with violence or threats of violence...."

The SOB's talking about it? Just a guess.

"Examine the behavior of recent demonstrations..."

It would have been more polite had they all left their guns at home. Just a thought.

An armed society is a polite society. Just kidding, Zed, but seriously, there were no cases of any violence, none at all, in DC, yet hundreds of riot police required to keep back the lefties in Pittsburgh, with widespread violence. I doubt there was much more than gum wrappers left on the ground in DC. It may also be interesting to note that the many cities that have huge gun violence tend to lean Democratic - New York, DC, Detriot, LA, etc. Wonder which way the perpetrators lean.... I have guns, but would never use them for any sort of violence against the gov't, liberal or conservative.

Kennedy provoked this kind of idiotic talk as well.

#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

You have been out in the sun too long. It was just a book, not a movement. Get a grip.

#27: On November 22, 1963 there was a slightly bloody coup wasn't there? I mean, only a couple shots were fired, but it did take out a president.

At what point does stupidity end and treason
begin? I guess the strategy is when voters
vote the bastards out, the bastards stir up
the armed crazies.

Wait, according to the rightwing retards on this site (and their hero Hannity), Newsmax is a legitimate news source.

38 Sates have sent Washington a declaration of Sovereignty and 2 are seriously looking at Ceeding!
This A-Hole illegally in the White House is Dividing and Destroying America, but then again, that was his plan!

#17 | POSTED BY EMF958 AT 2009-09-30 12:41 PM | REPLY | FLAG: NUTCASE

HAAAaa ha ha ha ha ha

LOOK! There's a birther in the room!

***"Wait, according to the rightwing retards on this site (and their hero Hannity), Newsmax is a legitimate news source."MONTE***

No more than Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Media Matters, MichaelMoore.com...

Newsmax is We're Nutty Daily minus the Jesus.


Newsmax Columnist: Obama Risks Coup

In a column run yesterday on Newsmax, John L. Perry wrote that there's a chance the military might overthrow the U.S. government and remove President Obama. "There is a remote, although gaining, possibility America's military will intervene as a last resort to resolve the 'Obama problem,'" Perry wrote.

Posted by Danforth at 11:22 AM

I'm not a lawyer, but this sounds like sedition.

en.wikipedia.org

Sedition is a term of law which refers to overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority as tending toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.
The difference between sedition and treason consists primarily in the subjective ultimate object of the violation to the public peace. Sedition does not consist of levying war against a government nor of adhering to its enemies, giving enemies aid, and giving enemies comfort. Nor does it consist, in most representative democracies, of peaceful protest against a government, nor of attempting to change the government by democratic means (such as direct democracy or constitutional convention).
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In 1940, the Alien Registration Act or Smith Act was passed, which made it a crime to advocate or teach the desirability of overthrowing the United States Government, or to be a member of any organization which does the same. It was often used against Communist organizations. The act was invoked in three major trials, one of the Socialist Worker's Party in Minneapolis in 1941, resulting in 23 convictions, and again in what became known as the Great Sedition Trial of 1944 in which a number of pro-Nazi figures were indicted but released when the proceedings ended in a mistrial. A series of trials of 140 leaders of the Communist Party USA was also predicated upon the Smith Act beginning in 1949, and lasting until 1957. Although the Supreme Court upheld the convictions of 11 CPUSA leaders in 1951, the court reversed itself in 1957 in Yates v. United States by ruling that teaching an ideal, no matter how harmful it may seem, does not equal advocating or planning its implementation. Although unused since at least 1961, the Smith Act remains US law.

I think the right wing has crossed a line. It's clear that they wish to unlawfully undo the will of the American people as manifested in the last election. They need to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. They tried to prosecute Laura Berg for much less.

You have got to be fucking kidding me. Someone spouting off about a military coup against the president of the US?


No more than Daily Kos, Huffington Post, Media Matters, MichaelMoore.com...

#32 | Posted by jwil72 at 2009-09-30 02:16 PM

Not true, even if you disregard the importance of facts in your comparison.

"Imagine a bloodless coup to restore and defend the Constitution through an interim administration that would do the serious business of governing and defending the nation. "

Let's violate the Consitution to defend the Constitution!!!!!!!!!!

You righties are so fucking stupid it is pathetic.

Do you ever try to listen to what you are trying to fucking say?

Good fucking God. Get fucking smart will you?

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. what a joke! fearmongering lefty bullshit.

Seems kinda funny that you would cite McCarthy era communist witch hunt laws to support your arguement.


NewsMax unintentionally evolving into The Onion.... it could be worse, I guess. Some idiots could be taking them seriously... Glen? Glen?

"fearmongering lefty bullshit."

WTF?

Are you not aware Newsmax is a 'righty' outfit, or do you think the article was fabricated by a stealth lefty?

Newsmax is the left's bitch.


Seems kinda funny that you would cite McCarthy era communist witch hunt laws to support your arguement.

#39 | Posted by jwil72 at 2009-09-30 02:39 PM

These 'McCarthy Era' witch hunt laws were used by the Bush administration as recently as 2005 to prosecute Laura Berg for her opposition to the Iraq war. And she wasn't even advocating the overthrow of the government.

www.progressive.org

What's sad is the hands-off attitude the government has with the right wing, despite the fact that their terrorist offshoots were responsible for the second worst terrorist act committed on US soil.

One coup brings another which brings another etc. Along the way the country collapses. Very obvious that people who even think of such things don't believe in analytical thought.

Good grist for jokes. Increasingly looks like we need them since humor looks like it will soon become obsolete. Yeah, I recently watched some TV "comedy" shows.

"Congress and the MSM are whipping people into a frenzy of class warfare.
Someone is going to get hurt."
#5 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-03-20

What's sad is the hands-off attitude the government has with the right wing, despite the fact that their terrorist offshoots were responsible for the second worst terrorist act committed on US soil.

#43 | POSTED BY DARTHCHENEY AT 2009-09-30 02:50 PM | REPLY | FLAG

round 'em up. start with limbaugh and hannity.

especially if leftista, gore vidal, has his way:

women.timesonline.co.uk

I guess for the basis of this blog, and Retort in general, moveon.org, huffington post, and progressive.org count as legitimate news sources? Emotional morons will stop at nothing to try to prove their case, regardless of the source or even the truthfulness of the source. Such short memories, too, considering all the violent thoughts directed toward President Bush.

Newsmax is a total frigging JOKE! Even the tighty righties dont buy into most of the garbage there.

Just another CHICKENHAWK conservative trying to represent for the REAL military. Nothing to get to worried about here.

From Laura Berg's letter to The Alibi:

"We need to wake up and get real here, and act forcefully to remove a government administration playing games of smoke and mirrors and vicious deceit."

I can't find anywhere that she was prosecuted, only investigated, but by the standards being applied here, she should have been prosecuted. Don't get me wrong though, I think it's ridiculous that she was even investigated, just as I think it's ridiculous anyone takes the Newsmax article seriously.

"Such short memories, too, considering all the violent thoughts directed toward President Bush."

Ok, so where is the link to clips and or photos of Bush protestors carrying Assault Rifles?
Advocating a coup, of any kind? And then show us where elected officials not only indorsed these actions, but defended the one perpetrating such uncivil nonsense!

Short term memory you say? More like you can't differentiate between civil protest and outright advocating of Violence!


***"That's a right-winger for you."
#4 | Posted by false_profit***


***"Just another Riiightie wetdream."
#6 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis***


Those damn righties! The next thing you know they'll be making a movie about assassinating Obama. The could call it, hum, let me think of a good title..."Death of a President"!!!

#13 | Posted by jwil72 at 2009-09-30 11:52 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Ok first off your talking about a film made by a British film made by a british film maker, not a Dem and not even an american. So no its not like right wingers making a film like that. It would be like the French making a film like that. I love how you on the right are too stupid to even fact check. There is no comparision you are blaming the wrong people for your problem. Now try and read about what is actually happening instead of talking Glenn Hannity and Rush's word as fact.

#27: On November 22, 1963 there was a slightly bloody coup wasn't there? I mean, only a couple shots were fired, but it did take out a president.

#28 | Posted by boojiboy at 2009-09-30 01:46 PM

Probably the mob.

#52
Great, so all the bitching about what Kitty Werthmann is saying can stop, because she's from Austria. So you have to be an American to be a left winger? Interesting. The point is the same though, were these people who are crying about this moronic article doing the same when this movie came out? Some probably, maybe about the same percentage as the righties on here that are admitting this article is a pile of shit.

"#27: On November 22, 1963 there was a slightly bloody coup wasn't there? I mean, only a couple shots were fired, but it did take out a president"

An assassination is not a coup. The chain of succession and all relevant protocols were, as far as we know, followed.

And no conspiracy theory I've heard has suggested that LBJ was behind the extra shooters.

#52 | Posted by fenderwa41

Nice try at spin. But:

"John Perry worked for the LBJ and Carter Administrations, plus Democratic Florida Governor LeRoy Collins. And of course you've probably seen Gore Vidal's comments as well

But what we have here isn't left and right between Perry and Vidal. It's left and further left pushing fears of a coup in order to stigmatize the right."

wizbangblog.com

"And no conspiracy theory I've heard has suggested that LBJ was behind the extra shooters."

Actually, there have been. A theory that stated that the plot consisted of LBJ, J Edgar (and sidekick), and a CIA/FBI assassin. I first heard that explained by an ex-CIA type. Heard it from other people also. But, no, it's not big in the conspiracy circles.

REPUBLICANS=IGNORANT ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!

The Comedian killed JFK. I saw it n Watchmen.

Obama cannot apologize for America enough to the world. Obama praises Islam and the Military is not happy. Obama craves for international praises and pisses off American patriots.

Maybe he has something to hide after all. Hawaii.

REPUBLICANS=IGNORANT ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!

At least they know where the caps lock key is on their keyboard. That sort of puts you below "ignorant asshole" doesn't it, celery?

REPUBLICANS=IGNORANT ASSHOLES!!!!!!!!

#58 | Posted by celisary

Is this is the sum total of your commentary and ability to express yourself? Does it prove republicans are assholes, or perhaps simply that lefties like you have no real argument, merely befuddled attempts to articulate hatred?

"... attempts to articulate hatred"

The two biggest examples of hatred that I've seen in recent decades (in the U.S.) were the hatred of Bill Clinton and of people opposed to the Iraq war. The hatred of Obama is quickly catching up, though. And I'd thought the hatred of the proponents of the Vietnam war was bad ...

"Newsmax is the left's bitch"

Well there's a serious cop-out.

Liberals are completely losing it now. We had Nazis in townhall meetings who had no legitmate concerns over healthcare. According to Clinton, the vast right wing conspiracy was destroying Obama. Now the military establishment is staging a coup.

The Huffington Post is now reporting that President Bush has reached an agreement with intergalactic aliens to overthrow the U.S. It's true!!!

AILtd,

I agree with the hatred people had for Clinton but hatred for those against the Iraq War. It was no more than those against the war hated those in favor of it.

The hatred for Bush was greater than that for Clinton and I have a feeling the hatred of Obama will be even greater than that of Bush. Notice the pattern, we are going in a really bad direction because we always attach the worst motive to those politicians who disagree with us. Not good at all for the Good Old US of A.

ail, I guess there was no hatred for Bush. He was admired by everyone.

Newsmax has columnists?

Liberals are completely losing it now. We had Nazis in townhall meetings who had no legitmate concerns over healthcare. According to Clinton, the vast right wing conspiracy was destroying Obama. Now the military establishment is staging a coup.

#65 | Posted by utastaff

Uhhh, Newsmax is conservative.

"It was no more than those against the war hated those in favor of it." - Laj

No, it was much worse. I know because I opposed the war - and was the recipient of that hatred. I've heard the same from others who opposed the war. None of us hated anyone who supported the war. None of us agitated against it. We merely pointed out its idiocy. And weren't countered by arguments, but by very vehement outburts.

The basis of my statement in #63 wasn't developed from the extremes. I'm not talking about them. Their hatred exists as a constant so it is worthless and meaningless. My observation is about otherwise average/normal people.

"ail, I guess there was no hatred for Bush. He was admired by everyone." - Sniper

Never claimed that because it isn't true. However, as I pointed out to Laj, my observation isn't derived from the people on the extremes but from otherwise average/normal people.

AILtd,

Okay - in the Boston area you don't tell people you are a Republican never mind that you might have been in favor of the Iraq war. If all you get is a look of complete disgust than you count yourself lucky. I can't tell you how many times people asked me not to tell them my view because our friendship might be in jeopardy. So yes, people on your side can be just as nasty. Probably depends on whether your state was RED or BLUE.

"If all you get is a look of complete disgust than you count yourself lucky. I can't tell you how many times people asked me not to tell them my view because our friendship might be in jeopardy." - Laj

Did that happen before the war broke out? When most people either supported the upcoming war or were impartial.

Anyhow, not the same as being told you should leave the country. Or are a traitor - a very popular statement. Or that you hate the U.S. By "friends" who didn't leave you an option and just stopped talking to you. By coworkers who asked that you be reassigned. One of my friends got fired because of his opposition - and his boss told him that he just didn't want him around because of his position.

I got the same kind of feeling, when I was overseas during the war, from non-Americans about Bush. No surprise. But I was talking about fellow Americans.

my observation isn't derived from the people on the extremes but from otherwise average/normal people.

#71 | Posted by AILtd

So you think the only ones that hated Bush were the extreme left? I guess that makes every lib person on this site an extreme leftist. They all hated him and were proud to say it.

Can't I not like the little o's socalistic policies without hateing him?

"So you think the only ones that hated Bush were the extreme left? I guess that makes every lib person on this site an extreme leftist. They all hated him and were proud to say it."

And you know this because you talked to them all? Contrary to whatever source you listen to, most libs tend to be much less emotional about issues and their beliefs than conservatives. it's the extreme left that is inevitably venemous.


"Can't I not like the little o's socalistic policies without hateing him?"

Didn't claim you hated him. Unless you fit the definition of a hater. But if you want to set free a guilty conscience, feel free.

Newsmax explains decision to take down coup column.

The statement also tries to distance Newsmax from Perry, saying, "He has no official relationship with Newsmax other than as an unpaid blogger." That doesn't appear to be true -- his writings for the Web site are clearly in column and not blog form, and he's been contributing them for years. Plus, the author bio at the end of his articles describes him as "a regular columnist for Newsmax.com," and his official biography on the site says he "contributes a regular column to NewsMax.com."

Busted.

Z: I tried to download "The Lucifer Principle" to my Kindle, but it's not an e-book yet. I'll have to wait until I get back onshore in two weeks and buy the paper one.

The wingnuts are getting nuttier. This guy is one big self fulfilling conspiracy. He believes the government is out to get him, so he writes about a coup against the US government, which draws attention to himself, thus resulting in the unmarked black van across from his house.

Many Americans will Welcome such a Coup d'Etat!!!

Barack Obama was a totally unqualified political contender who nevertheless was "installed" as US President by the Military Industrial Complex (i.e. Right Wing CorpoRats) - This could have never happened unless the CorpoRats wanted their "Lackey" Obama to fullfill their aspirations and agenda.This agenda/scenario may be to install an incompotent and controversial president whom a large section of the angry populace would like to see bounced from the "White" House! A Coup d'Etat is much easier to pull off in such a "poisoned" climate!

"Actually, there have been. A theory that stated that the plot consisted of LBJ, J Edgar (and sidekick), and a CIA/FBI assassin. I first heard that explained by an ex-CIA type. Heard it from other people also. But, no, it's not big in the conspiracy circles."

Interesting. I guess I don't get out enough. : ) Thanks for the info, Ailtd. I had no idea.

And btw, is Anticadillac really Tiny Elvis?

It would be so ironic. The right wing gun toting red necks are the ones that would put a stop to any military coup.

Apparently Mr American Coup is also worried about stray nukes. And he's asking the Pentagon to get them by cutting out US civilians.

Sad.

Okay - in the Boston area you don't tell people you are a Republican never mind that you might have been in favor of the Iraq war. If all you get is a look of complete disgust than you count yourself lucky. I can't tell you how many times people asked me not to tell them my view because our friendship might be in jeopardy. So yes, people on your side can be just as nasty. Probably depends on whether your state was RED or BLUE.

#72 | Posted by laj at 2009-09-30 05:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

BULLSHIT!!

You're actually going to make a broad statement like that based on several of YOUR friends?

"in the Boston area you don't tell people you are a Republican"

Care to explain the 16 STRAIGHT years of REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS going back to 1990. Let me guess.....they lied about their political party and tricked the 'libs' into voting for them?

AI says, "A theory that stated that the plot consisted of LBJ, J Edgar (and sidekick), and a CIA/FBI assassin. I first heard that explained by an ex-CIA type."

"Thats how a conspiracy works. Them boys on the Grassy Knoll they were dead within three hours, buried in the damned desert, unmarked graves out past Terlingua."

"You know this for a fact?"

"Yep, still got the shovel..."

***"Care to explain the 16 STRAIGHT years of REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS going back to 1990. Let me guess.....they lied about their political party and tricked the 'libs' into voting for them?"COMMONSENSE***

He said "Boston area", not statewide. There may have been "16 STRAIGHT years of REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS" but there hasn't been a Repub MAYOR of BOSTON since 1930. While I'm not a huge fan of anecdotal one upsmanship, which is what AILTD and LAJ were doing, your attempt to discredit his story was weak.


You can't be a News Max columnist unless you are a crackpot in the first place, so why is this even relevant? This is the kind of comments that make idiots like Ann Coulter and Sarah Palin actually sound plausible if that's possible.

"You're actually going to make a broad statement like that based on several of YOUR friends?
"in the Boston area you don't tell people you are a Republican""

A friend of mine--conservative in the modern sense--makes the same claim about New Yorkers. She just couldn't express her views in NYC, in any public setting--pro Bush and anti Obama. She would be ostracized forthwith. I dunno; I'm sure there are some New Yorkers who were in favor of the last Republican administration--you know, 9/11 and all that. But maybe the majority weren't, or maybe it was where she hung out.

Here in my little corner of New England, it's a very mixed bag. Yes, even among school employees (though most teachers I know are more in the leftwing camp, though hardly radical and some are quite pissed at Obama these days).

That is one dumbass article. Like the military knows enough about the constitution to warrant a coup.

#88 | Posted by jsprague

I am not sure anyone in the administration nows the constitution either.

lately when aNY member of the media uses the word 'coup' you better read real carefully because they continue to use it concerning honduros and thats a lie.

they continue to use it concerning honduros and thats a lie.
#90 | Posted by afkabl2 | Flag: Has American - Honduroan Dual Citizenship

uh...what??
so I know that the constitution was actually followed in that country??
I guess thats a problem for the left.

and when obama is ousted or at the end of his 2nd term..the left will call that a coup as well?

I'll be ending 20+ years of widely varied military service in a few months. I've been stationed Asia, Europe, and the U.S., deployed to other locations, involved in multiple wars, including some time playing in the Sand Box.

I may be a minor cog in the vast US military, but I've been involved in planning, preparation and training for a long long time.

To put it bluntly, for the author to suggest an actual Coup against Obama by the U.S. military is BEYOND stupid.

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