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Dr. Mercola
September 26 2009 | 70,194 views
Studies show that flu vaccines are unsafe and ineffective. This presentation by the Thinktwice Global Vaccine Institute includes a visual depiction of flu vaccine production -- how the flu vaccine is made and what it contains.

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time for the debunkers to point out that Mercola makes less monies than the pharms

I'm scheduled to get a flu shot next Thursday. Thanks, Bani. One more thing to worry about.

why do it then?

alternatives far better (& cheaper in the long run) are out there...& here like Agrisept-l

www.shokos.com

Oh well if Dr. Mercola says it...

listen to him over u any day ~ right?:>)

Well certainly a Dr. is more credentialed than myself, but I've never subscribed to the "vaccine is bad" point of view.

And how do many Doctors who are more qualified than me feel?

I found this story on the majority of Drs being pro vaccine.

story

Also, Dr. Dean Edell is pro vaccine and Dr. Dean is the greatest.

Good for u!

ignore the obvious then:>)

The Mask Slips, for Those with Eyes to See: Preparing for the Real Pandemic
www.russellmeansfreedom.com

Thanks to sites like Mercola, Lew Rockwell and Nature News, the word is getting out what a harmful fraud these vaccines are.

Most parents won't have kids get H1N1 flu shots, study finds

Bani

From your link, this is shocking.

"After all, it's still the law in Canada, under the apartheid Indian Act, that no on-reserve Indian can refuse medical treatments or experimentation. So it's small wonder that these reserves are the places being targeted first to be injected with untested, unsafe and potentially lethal flu vaccines."

So said Zombie when I first posted it a few days ago...


"The article is riddled with inaccuracies... there's nothing to rebut."

#2 | Posted by ZombieHunter

www.drudge.com

of course, as usual when it comes Pharm Flu items ~ he never did offer any rebuttal whatsoever ~ catch 22? :>)

The Mask Slips, for Those with Eyes to See: Preparing for the Real Pandemic

There's already a whole thread on that bullshit. It's fucking garbage written by someone with NO expertise in the field.

Thanks to sites like Mercola, Lew Rockwell and Nature News, the word is getting out what a harmful fraud these vaccines are.

LOL my God you're a fucking idiot.

Mercola=quack trying to make a buck who's own disclaimer advises his site doesn't replace a physician.

Lew Rockwell= ultra-Libertarian site who's so anti-government they'd denounce their own mother if they were "gubmint" associates. Not to mention they don't actually have any sort of expertise in the field.

Natural news=LOL A congregation of the Mercola types.

of course, as usual when it comes Pharm Flu items ~ he never did offer any rebuttal whatsoever ~ catch 22? :>)

Of course when it comes to ANYTHING you post on, you have nothing but cut and pastes. No understanding of the topic. No real knowledge of the topic. Just cut and paste from anyone who agrees with you.

#12 | Posted by jpw

There they go again, attacking the messenger.

Get lost, poison peddler. You and Zombie brain. The evidence against is devastating. The word is out that vaccines are dangerous and it's not going to go away.

Your whining about not having real knowledge is pointless. No one needs your knowledge to see the results. You can't inject toxins into the bloodstream without unwanted side effects. This season has the makings of a major disaster for the vaccine makers, their government sponsors and their victims.

There they go again, attacking the messenger.

Yup, because yet again they've failed to meet any rational level of burden of proof.

Get lost, poison peddler. You and Zombie brain. The evidence against is devastating. The word is out that vaccines are dangerous and it's not going to go away.

LOL You do the word "evidence" disservice by using it. If it could, I'm sure it'd bitch slap the shit out of you until your cried like a little girl.

You nor anyone has presented evidence of shit. A good case against vaccines is yet to be made.

Your whining about not having real knowledge is pointless. No one needs your knowledge to see the results.

Yeah, fuck knowledge. We don't need that when we have assertions and beliefs. Rationality is for pussies.

You can't inject toxins into the bloodstream without unwanted side effects. This season has the makings of a major disaster for the vaccine makers, their government sponsors and their victims.

And you've yet to show those "toxins" and describe why they're toxic. You've yet to describe those "unwanted" side effects and HOW they're caused by vaccines.

And chalk up another prediction that will NEVER come true but you'll hold on to until the day you die as 'just over the horizon' or some similar shit.

Yeah, fuck knowledge. We don't need that when we have assertions and beliefs. Rationality is for pussies.

It's knowledge that has been abused for the sake of profits. You're not only willfully blind to the morbidity and mortality statistics, you're willfully blind towards natural methods which don't have those statistics. You treat the human body like a piece of plumbing, when it's an extremely complex organ honed by millions of years of evolution for survival. You're injecting foreign substances into an organism you don't fully understand, which always produce unintended consequences. The knowledge YOU lack is the recognition that our bodies have the means for homeostasis when the necessary nutrients are available for absorption.

Yup, because yet again they've failed to meet any rational level of burden of proof.

Again, the proof is in the morbidity and mortality statistics, which you ignore.

And you've yet to show those "toxins" and describe why they're toxic. You've yet to describe those "unwanted" side effects and HOW they're caused by vaccines.

Substances like formaldehyde, mercury and aluminum are toxic at every level. Your industry uses them in the hopes that they don't produce symptoms that can be connected to the vaccine. Because human bodies are so variable, you can't predict the outcome.

And you've yet to show those "toxins" and describe why they're toxic. You've yet to describe those "unwanted" side effects and HOW they're caused by vaccines.

Take out an email subscription to mercola.com. There is plenty of information on the web. Corroborate their sources. I think you lack curiosity. You rather put up a wall around you and your cohorts. That's what theists do.

the morbidity and mortality statistics

...do not indicate a health risk associated with vaccines.

you're willfully blind towards natural methods which don't have those statistics.

These vaunted "natural methods" are not regulated by the FDA so no statistics are kept. No tests of purity are performed. No standards of purity exist. The composition of doses is not uniform. For the same reason, no peddler of fools' tonics will waste the time conducting research. Research has little or no value as evidence to the new age customers of these loons - gullible morons will believe anything as long as it sounds trippy and has a couple pieces of misplaced medical jargon thrown in for good measure.

Substances like formaldehyde, mercury and aluminum are toxic at every level.

Actually, no. You are exposed to each of these substances every day, and depending on their form (thiomersal vs. an inorganic mercury salt) and concentration (the levels of formaldehyde, mercury, and aluminum in vaccines are zero or exceedingly low) there may be no ill effects.

There is plenty of information on the web. Corroborate their sources.

The "sources" you cite cannot be corroborated. There is not even an empirical basis for their nonsensical statements. If vaccines are as harmful as all of these unpublished armchair immunologists claim they are, why is there no experimental evidence to support them? Perhaps these frauds know they cannot risk having their biological fairy tales exposed.

For those with the time and the resources take a microbiology class with it's associated lab. You will learn what I think you will need to know about vaccines and their effectiveness and then you can make the decision for yourself if it's a good or bad thing. Personally I would not go near one, but that's just me.

LM

"These vaunted "natural methods" are not regulated by the FDA so no statistics are kept" ZombiePharmie


"of course, as usual when it comes Pharm Flu items ~ he never did offer any rebuttal whatsoever ~ catch 22? :>)"

meanwhile these "vaunted" studies keep one wondering...since no rebuttal of the facts in this case by pharm shills JPW or Zombie are forthcoming anytime soon...lol


The Mask Slips, for Those with Eyes to See: Preparing for the Real Pandemic


by Kevin D. Annett, M.A., M.Div.

Hear Kevin Annett Read this Piece:
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Last week, many of the aboriginal people in the remote west coast village of Ahousaht were innoculated with the tamiflu vaccine. Today, over a hundred of them are sick, and the sickness is spreading.

In the same week, body bags were sent to similarly remote native reserves in northern Manitoba that have also received the tamiflu vaccine.

On the face of things, it appears that flu vaccinations are causing a sickness that is being deliberately aimed at aboriginal people across Canada, and this sickness will be fatal: a fact acknowledged by the Canadian government by their "routine" sending of body bags to these Indian villages.

Before you express your shock and denial at the idea that people are being racially targeted and killed, remember that murdering Indians with vaccinations is not a new or abnormal thing in Canada. Indeed, it's how we Europeans "won the land", and it's one of the ways we keep it.

In 1862, Anglican church missionaries Rev. John Sheepshanks and Robert Brown inoculated interior Salish Indians in B.C. with a live smallpox virus that wiped out entire native communities within a month, just prior to the settlement of this native land by gold prospectors associated with these missionaries and government officials.

In 1909, Dr. Peter Bryce of the Indian Affairs department in Ottawa claimed that Catholic and Protestant churches were deliberately exposing native children to smallpox and tuberculosis in residential schools across Canada, and letting them die untreated. Thousands of children died as a result. (Globe and Mail, April 24, 2007)

In 1932, B.C. provincial police attempted to lay charges against Catholic missionaries who had sent smallpox-laden Indian children back among their families along the Fraser river near Mission, BC. The RCMP intervened and protected the church, even though whole villages were wiped out as a result of the church's actions.

In 1969, native children who escaped from the Nanaimo Indian Hospital on Vancouver Island described being inoculated with shots that caused many of them to die "with bloated up bodies and scabs all over", to quote one survivor.

Knowing this history, it's not surprising when Indians on isolated Canadian reserves start sickening and dying en masse from sudden illnesses, after receiving flu shots. After all, it's still the law in Canada, under the apartheid Indian Act, that no on-reserve Indian can refuse medical treatments or experimentation. So it's small wonder that these reserves are the places being targeted first to be injected with untested, unsafe and potentially lethal flu vaccines.

As an entire race of involuntary test subjects, Indians in Canada are a weather vane for what will befall all of us, and very soon. For the very techniques and weapons of genocide perfected against aboriginal people are now being deployed against "mainstream" Canadians.

www.russellmeansfreedom.com

"innoculated(sic) with the tamiflu vaccine"

#18 | Posted by Bani at 2009-09-28 01:38 PM | Reply | Flag: thinks Tamiflu is a vaccine

You are one stupid idiot. And at least learn to spell inoculated. Not that Tamiflu is "innoculated," because it isn't, shit-for-brains.


# TAMIFLU is available in pill form
# TAMIFLU is also available in a fruitflavored liquid form with a dosing dispenser for children 1 year and older and for adults who have difficulty swallowing the capsule.
www.tamiflu.com

Tamiflu is not a vaccine, you lying, stupid fuckwit.

For those with the time and the resources take a microbiology class with it's associated lab.

Irrelevent. Vaccine promoters are getting a well deserved credibility problem among the general public. Reputations have to be earned. Trying to promote a relatively mild flu strain as if it was lethal, doesn't help.

One faces a choice between vaccines and their risks, and an immune system honed by millions of years of evolution.

#16 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-09-28 12:00 PM | Reply | Flag: Stonewalling

You are one stupid idiot. And at least learn to spell inoculated.
#19 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-09-28 01:44 PM | Reply | Flag: Spelling Nazi

Thanks for the update Data ~ sweetheart!...at least I don't call u a Pharm shill like JPW & Zombie...too rich from all ur patents to do that ~ if I recall property:>)

meanwhile Target currently charges $35 or so for some sort a flu preventive & MMS Protocol only $17 total including shipping in 2 days if near a big city for over a year supply for a family...

choices, choices...

At Stake: Your Life and the Lives of Your Loved Ones.
by Jim Humble, August, 2009.

Please, let me tell you about one of the most important chemicals that exists related to the health of mankind. It could save your life tomorrow, or anytime in the future.

As you probably know by now the swine flu is a disease said to have been created in government laboratories and released in Mexico about May 1, 2009.

Instead of the "less than 100" deaths reported in Mexico, it has been unofficially established by many radio stations that several thousand deaths actually happened. I established that number of deaths while I was living in Mexico by calling people I knew who live there who were employed at the hospitals.
This chemical I want to tell you about is actually a miracle when you find how it works. A drop or two of it can go into your body and kill all of the disease-causing pathogens without killing any of the beneficial bacteria or doing any kind of damage to your normal body cells.

It has been used for over 70 years to purify and remove disease germs from water without killing beneficial bacteria in the water. So without beating about the bush let me tell you about the two chemicals that are involved. Chlorine dioxide does all of the beneficial work, and a mineral called sodium chlorite is used to generate the beneficial chlorine dioxide - to be explained.

mmsnews.org

Tamiflu is not a vaccine, you lying, stupid fuckwit.

#19 | Posted by 'blind' Zatoichi

Even Snopes ~ who is currently batting .666 in accuracy ~ says Rummie still makes big bucks from 'tamiflu':>)

www.dailykos.com

"Adjuvants are formulated compounds, which when combined with vaccine antigens intensify the body's immune response. They are used to elicit an early, high and long-lasting immune response. "The chemical nature of adjuvants, their mode of action and their reactions (side effect) are highly variable in terms of how they affect the immune system and how serious their adverse effects are due to the resultant hyperactivation of the immune system. While adjuvants enable the use of less *antigen to achieve the desired immune response and reduce vaccine production costs, with few exceptions, adjuvants are foreign to the body and cause adverse reactions", writes Australian scientist Viera Scheibner Ph.D, (1) "

www.whale.to

A Glimpse into the Scary World of Vaccine Adjuvants

Watch the denials from our resident shills.

A Glimpse into the Scary World of Vaccine Adjuvants

Watch the denials from our resident shills.

#26 | Posted by Ray

"The article is riddled with inaccuracies... there's nothing to rebut." Zomieland

#11 Bani's #11

Vaccine promoters are getting a well deserved credibility problem among the general public. Reputations have to be earned.

Bullshit. The topic is WAY too complex and requires way too much background knowledge for your average person to have an opinion that's worth a damn.

Vaccines are only getting an undeserved credibility problem amongst those who have the hubris and arrogance to believe that reading some lay articles on the intertubes puts them in a position to accurately assess the situation (cough cough ray bani cough cough). What's particularly telling is their usage of and blind faith in information sources like whale.to, a notorious denialst website or various sorts.

Yes I am being arrogant. Blow it out your ass.

One faces a choice between vaccines and their risks, and an immune system honed by millions of years of evolution.

You keep spouting this "honed by millions of years" shit as if it's something profound.

Guess what Ray, vaccines are designed to take advantage of that very process, so it's not as if it's something scientists have missed or forgotten.

"The article is riddled with inaccuracies... there's nothing to rebut." Zomieland

It's a valid point.

If an article is laced with inaccuracies that betray the ignorance of the author, there is no reason to waste one's time rebutting it.

Present good information and sources and you'll receive arguments in kind.

It's a valid point.

If an article is laced with inaccuracies that betray the ignorance of the author, there is no reason to waste one's time rebutting it.

Present good information and sources and you'll receive arguments in kind.

Posted by jpw


ff used catch 22 rule again:>)


A Glimpse into the Scary World of Vaccine Adjuvants

By Edda West - Published in VRAN Newsletter - Winter 2005

Adjuvants are formulated compounds, which when combined with vaccine antigens intensify the body's immune response. They are used to elicit an early, high and long-lasting immune response. "The chemical nature of adjuvants, their mode of action and their reactions (side effect) are highly variable in terms of how they affect the immune system and how serious their adverse effects are due to the resultant hyperactivation of the immune system. While adjuvants enable the use of less *antigen to achieve the desired immune response and reduce vaccine production costs, with few exceptions, adjuvants are foreign to the body and cause adverse reactions", writes Australian scientist Viera Scheibner Ph.D, (1)

www.whale.to :>)

ff used catch 22 rule again:>)

It's impossible to properly debate a scientific issue when one party does not understand scientific reasoning. You can't play chess against someone who doesn't even know how the pieces move. Ray and Bani rely heavily on ad hoc propositions, arguments from ignorance, and their faith in quacks who make all manner of outlandish claims based on jack shit. They might as well start a religion.

Gullible fools devour stupid ideas because they sound edgy or the person wants to believe it. These people can't be troubled to learn enough about the subject to evaluate those ideas, but they still want to voice their opinion.

In the end, they are reduced to parrots whose ignorance blinds them to the lie they have been trained to repeat.

In the end, they are reduced to parrots whose ignorance blinds them to the lie they have been trained to repeat.

#31 | Posted by ZombieHunter

ah, stuff of pharm school genius, but still no basic facts rebutted whatsoever...

back to the basis ~ start with some history lessons again:>)

The Mask Slips, for Those with Eyes to See: Preparing for the Real Pandemic

September 19, 2009

by Kevin D. Annett, M.A., M.Div.


Last week, many of the aboriginal people in the remote west coast village of Ahousaht were innoculated with the tamiflu vaccine. Today, over a hundred of them are sick, and the sickness is spreading.

In the same week, body bags were sent to similarly remote native reserves in northern Manitoba that have also received the tamiflu vaccine.

On the face of things, it appears that flu vaccinations are causing a sickness that is being deliberately aimed at aboriginal people across Canada, and this sickness will be fatal: a fact acknowledged by the Canadian government by their "routine" sending of body bags to these Indian villages.

Before you express your shock and denial at the idea that people are being racially targeted and killed, remember that murdering Indians with vaccinations is not a new or abnormal thing in Canada. Indeed, it's how we Europeans "won the land", and it's one of the ways we keep it.

In 1862, Anglican church missionaries Rev. John Sheepshanks and Robert Brown inoculated interior Salish Indians in B.C. with a live smallpox virus that wiped out entire native communities within a month, just prior to the settlement of this native land by gold prospectors associated with these missionaries and government officials.

In 1909, Dr. Peter Bryce of the Indian Affairs department in Ottawa claimed that Catholic and Protestant churches were deliberately exposing native children to smallpox and tuberculosis in residential schools across Canada, and letting them die untreated. Thousands of children died as a result. (Globe and Mail, April 24, 2007)

In 1932, B.C. provincial police attempted to lay charges against Catholic missionaries who had sent smallpox-laden Indian children back among their families along the Fraser river near Mission, BC. The RCMP intervened and protected the church, even though whole villages were wiped out as a result of the church's actions.

In 1969, native children who escaped from the Nanaimo Indian Hospital on Vancouver Island described being inoculated with shots that caused many of them to die "with bloated up bodies and scabs all over", to quote one survivor.

Knowing this history, it's not surprising when Indians on isolated Canadian reserves start sickening and dying en masse from sudden illnesses, after receiving flu shots. After all, it's still the law in Canada, under the apartheid Indian Act, that no on-reserve Indian can refuse medical treatments or experimentation. So it's small wonder that these reserves are the places being targeted first to be injected with untested, unsafe and potentially lethal flu vaccines.

As an entire race of involuntary test subjects, Indians in Canada are a weather vane for what will befall all of us, and very soon. For the very techniques and weapons of genocide perfected against aboriginal people are now being deployed against "mainstream" Canadians.
www.russellmeansfreedom.com

It's impossible to properly debate a scientific issue when one party does not understand scientific reasoning.
#31 | Posted by ZombieHunter

I'm expert on scientific reasoning. Being an outsider with a deep interest in my personal health, I have the objectivity you don't have. That's why I stay away from mainstream medicine except in emergencies. You keep denying the simple observation that the toxins you inject into the bloodstream are toxic at all levels. Plants have some of the same toxins in them, but they pass through the digestive system and they are not chemically isolated. For example, we need oxygen for life provided it is diluted in air. Pure oxygen would kill us if we breath it too long.

Knowing nothing about food and nutrition, you make the error of seeing allotropic medicine to the exclusion of naturopathic methods. There is a place for both.

Gullible fools devour stupid ideas because they sound edgy or the person wants to believe it. These people can't be troubled to learn enough about the subject to evaluate those ideas, but they still want to voice their opinion.

I've been studying food and nutrition for over 40 years. I wouldn't be healthy otherwise. You can't tell me I don't know what I've been practicing for all those years.

I would be glad to recommend some books, but you'll just keep singing the same old song. The history of scientific advancement is a record of resistance to change.

I'm expert on scientific reasoning.

#33 | Posted by Ray

Time for Wapner?

I'm an excellent driver.

--Ray

Guess what Ray, vaccines are designed to take advantage of that very process, so it's not as if it's something scientists have missed or forgotten.

#28 | Posted by jpw

That's not using the body the way it is constructed to function. Vaccine toxins either block or overstimulate, causing side reactions.
Biologically available foods like Vitamin D are easily absorbed where it is needed without toxic side effects. Our bodies are equipped to heal themselves, provided they have the nutrients to do it.

This poison, cut or radiate approach is barbaric. It should be the last approach to healing, not the first.

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