Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

Vice President Joe Biden said today that if Democrats were to lose 35 House seats they currently hold in traditionally Republican districts, it would mean doomsday for President Obama's agenda. "If they take them back, this the end of the road for what Barack and I are trying to do," Biden said. There are 49 seats currently held by Democrats in districts that Sen. John McCain won in last year's presidential election.

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The ONLY reason the Republicans aren't working with Obama. They are power hungry and could care less if they destroy this Country in the process. Then the Republcans bitch because Obama won't KowTow to them like they want Him to do.

Larry

Gee, Larry, sounds a lot like the Democrats when Bush was in the big house, eh?

LAR-
Do you accept that there are competing views as to ways to address most any problem?


LAR-
Do you accept that there are competing views as to ways to address most any problem?

Posted by OohRah at 2009-09-25 06:26 AM | Reply

Yes I do OohRah. What I have a royal bitch fit about is when Obama held out His hand towards the Republicans and they shunned Him post haste. They don't seem to want to work with Him from Jump Street.

Larry

"..when Obama held out His hand towards the Republicans and they shunned Him post haste." - LAR

In your view how did Obama hold out his hand to Reps?

LAR-
So you do accept that there can be competing views on ways to address most any problem.

Stay with me on this now... so if LARRY thinks OOHRAH's views will "destroy the country"... how likely is LARRY to want to have me destroy the country? Would it be reasonable to assume LARRY will sit idly by and let disaster happen... whether he's in the Congressional majority or minority?

Conversely, if I think LARRY's agenda is destroying the country, why would you expect me to sit back and let that happen without offering opposition?

You seem to be saying, on the one hand, that there can be differing views... but on the other hand, that apparently conservatives must remain silent. Where am I wrong on that?

In your view how did Obama hold out his hand to Reps?

Posted by OohRah at 2009-09-25 06:47 AM | Reply

He asked for their help in straightening out Americas problems and asked that we all work together towards that goal. The Republicans refused.

Larry

So he gave glowing speeches, eh? Nice.

I think I read the other day it had been back in April the last time Republicans were conferred with regarding healthcare proposals.

Obama and his team don't want anything to do with conservatism, except to pick off a couple of "moderate" Reps to provide political cover for his agenda.

They simply aren't interested in compromise. You know it and so do I.

Stay with me on this now... so if LARRY thinks OOHRAH's views will "destroy the country"... how likely is LARRY to want to have me destroy the country? Would it be reasonable to assume LARRY will sit idly by and let disaster happen... whether he's in the Congressional majority or minority?


Conversely, if I think LARRY's agenda is destroying the country, why would you expect me to sit back and let that happen without offering opposition?


You seem to be saying, on the one hand, that there can be differing views... but on the other hand, that apparently conservatives must remain silent. Where am I wrong on that?

#6 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-09-25 06:52 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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I would expect You to speak out against the policy that You have problems with. That being said I would find those declarations to not mean a whole hell of a lot considering the silence of the Republicans showed towards Dubya when He was screwing up the Country. Their grievances ring quite hollow. IMHO

Larry

I think I read the other day it had been back in April the last time Republicans were conferred with regarding healthcare proposals.


Obama and his team don't want anything to do with conservatism, except to pick off a couple of "moderate" Reps to provide political cover for his agenda.


They simply aren't interested in compromise. You know it and so do I.

#8 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-09-25 06:57 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
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Kinda hard to work with people who refuse to work with You on ANYTHING as the Republicans have shown their asses. I find that funny that You claim Democrats don't want anything to do with Conservatives but yet the defacto leader of the Republican Party Rush Limbaugh declared from the very begining that He wants Obama to fail. Doesn't seem like the Republicans are at all interested in working with Obama now does it OohRah??

Larry

Hey OohRah how would You feel towards Me if You asked for My help with something and I turned My back upon You?? Wouldn't You get tired of waiting on Me to act maturely and say well Fuck You then I'll do it Myself. Obama can't wait around forever on the Republicans can He??

Larry

Still blaming Dubya? OK. Let's go with that line of thinking.

If you're talking about him screwing things up, then consider the "rate" of screwing up we're witnessing.

Just as I wouldn't expect Congressional Dems to vote against Obama's wishes (to any large degree) I wouldn't have expected Congressional Reps to have voted against Dubya's wishes.

And, back when Dubya ran the show, how often did you see party line votes in Congress? You seem to think opposition began in January, 2009. It didn't, my friend.

Losing maybe 35 seats is absolutely critical here. As VERNON said in #2. Razor thin majorities are majorities, nevertheless... but from a practical standpoint it neuters the majority's power when the inevitable party line voting happens. So unless one party can purge itself of "moderates" we'll be back to life on the fence, like for much of Bush's tenure.

But holding a majority is critical. Committee chairs, setting the agenda as to floor votes, etc.

LARRY-
Public posturing is one thing. It's window dressing... grandstanding.

What matters is what goes on behind the scenes to iron out reconcilable differences where possible. That takes a willingness on both sides to engage in discussion. Is there evidence of that sort of thing going on?

As I said, party line votes are nothing new. You do realize that, correct?

Public posturing is one thing. It's window dressing... grandstanding.


What matters is what goes on behind the scenes to iron out reconcilable differences where possible. That takes a willingness on both sides to engage in discussion. Is there evidence of that sort of thing going on?


As I said, party line votes are nothing new. You do realize that, correct?

Posted by OohRah at 2009-09-25 07:09 AM | Reply


I understand all of that but when the Republicans refuse to even work with Obama right from the start how can Obama be expected to bend over for the Republicans to get them on board?? At some point Obama has to either shit or get off of the pot. He can't wait forever for the Republicans to get their acts together can He??

Larry

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I'm with Rush. I want Obama to fail. His agenda will destroy much of the institutions and liberties upon which this great nation was founded.

If I am staunchly opposed to an agenda I firmly believe will be bad for this nation... what am I supposed to do?

When you believed Dubya's War on Terror agenda was destroying our values/nation... did you sit idly by? Did you wish Bush would fail... fail to enact his agenda? Didn't you wish your Dems would stand firm in opposition? Sure you did. Don't be disingenuous.

Health Care Reform will destroy AMerica??? You Sir are out of Your mind. How can You say Health Care will destroy America?? It will Save AMerica if it's passed. Too damned many people go bankrupt because of medical bills. That doesn't benefit America one little bit. See that's just it I don't get Yours and Rush's rationale to declare that to be a destroyer of America?????

Larry

"He can't wait forever for the Republicans to get their acts together can He??" - LAR

He has such wide majorities he doesn't NEED Reps, except to provide political cover.

Problem is within his own party. There are enough Blue Dogs to make enacting such an aggressive liberal agenda a daunting task.

Dubya faced the same problems. Only his majorities were thinner, thus making passage tougher.

Off to work now. Will check in later. Good discussion, LAR.

It will Save AMerica if it's passed.

Larry, it's not free. You are glibly talking about suddenly turning over 1/6 of our country's economy over to the government. Don't you think the extra taxes it will take from the working class will hurt them?

And unrelated to the cost, why are you so willing for your congressman to give you a health care plan that he won't accept for himself and his own family? Do you think he is better than you? Don't debase yourself so, Larry.

And unrelated to the cost, why are you so willing for your congressman to give you a health care plan that he won't accept for himself and his own family? Do you think he is better than you? Don't debase yourself so, Larry.

Posted by goatman at 2009-09-25 07:29 AM | Reply

Hey it's better than not having ANY Health Care Insurance coverage at all. But don't worry even if it gets passed I ain't taking it. There is no way in hell I am going to take a chance and have Eberly pay even one red cent for My health Care. Not in this lifetime.

Larry

Doesn't seem like the Republicans are at all interested in working with Obama now does it

#10 | Posted by LarryMohr


That reminds me of you Larry you ornery Kansas hick. Are you a Republican?

Republicans don't deserve to get any power back. They have not taken responsibility for their past failures, and their current rhetoric suggests that they don't plan to change their tactics of lies and smears, ie. not having an honest debate. Fuck 'em.

I won't deny that the anguish felt by O'tards would be minor comfort, but Republicans getting power back means that they're not going to have to change, and that will be a bad thing.

Republicans don't deserve to get any power back.

That will up to the voters to decide. The way the polls are trending, there are a rising number of voters who disagree with you.

I want the rise of a sensible third party so badly . . . . .

I want the rise of a sensible third party so badly . . . . .

#23 | Posted by goatman


Just one? Me I wanna see 5 or 6 parties battling it out for my vote and in the legislature/executive branches

But don't worry even if it gets passed I ain't taking it. There is no way in hell I am going to take a chance and have Eberly pay even one red cent for My health Care. Not in this lifetime.

#19 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-09-25 07:34 AM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose) YOU LIE!!!


For the record Larry I am NOT kidding around with you this time. YOU LIE!!!!

That will up to the voters to decide. The way the polls are trending, there are a rising number of voters who disagree with you.

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2009-09-25 12:38 PM

My opinion doesn't change. But it's just that, an opinion. As someone who leans right, I want someone to vote for who has a chance to win, without having to dirty my conscience. I will most likely vote third party in the coming elections because I'd rather give up the "win" than the "conscience." If the republican party would maybe make some consessions that they failed miserably during the Bush years, that they've been too partisan, and make a commitment to do better in the future, they might change my opinion. But that isn't happening.

But don't worry even if it gets passed I ain't taking it.

Then they'll throw you in jail.

www.politico.com

How you and others like you can continue to express support for this little punk piece of un-American shit is beyond me.

I want the rise of a sensible third party so badly . . . . .

#23 | Posted by goatman at 2009-09-25 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

The founding fathers, in their wisdom, wrote the Constitution such that there would only be two dominate parties.

Much as they stink, you hafta make your bed with one or the other.

Bush held out his hand continually to you marxists, you undermined everything he did, obstructed everything he did that did'nt meet your worthless, brain fucked marxist agenda. Now, we see that what G.W. was telling us about the axis of evil is true, and now that we have the placator and thief in office, the next real man sitting in the White House will be saddled with a more deadly 9/11 style event. As the pile of shit in the White House lets America's enemies get stronger strategic positions over the U.S.. I seem to recall FuckHead kennedy's " Every American Child takes it in the Behind " bill, that Bush went along with, hoping Americans would see it for what it truly was, just more money going out to support the dead weight, parasites and libs. As we have ALL seen, money earmarked for education is ALWAYS diverted to entitlements to the undeserving, lazy, parasites.

"Bush held out his hand"

He sure did, LOL!

www.pissedonpolitics.com

www.eriklove.com

petro.typepad.com

Biden needs more than blue dogs!


Now the senate has the bill to read that if you don't buy the coverage--you are fined $1900.00

If you don't pay the fine you go to jail!!

www.drudge.com

Perfect in the world of Obama.

The 2010 elections are a year away.

They can't get here fast enough.

If the republican party would maybe make some consessions that they failed miserably during the Bush years, that they've been too partisan, and make a commitment to do better in the future, they might change my opinion. But that isn't happening.

#26 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE


LOD--

How many times have you heard repub leaders apologize and admit they made mistakes when they were in power--over the earmarks, over the war management, over amnesty??


Most of the party leaders are promising to do better in the future as well.

As far as being too partisan--that's been a problem because they didn't stick to principles in the past.

Like spending too much and earmarks--they acted like Dems and grew the gov't.

They are not perfect--but they have learned. And I don't know if it will stick--but damn --anything is better than what the crap is going on now.

There are no liberals in power nor government.

Not one.

All corporate cocksuckers.

Blue dog

www.dogguide.net

Blue dogs are really yellow dogs looking for a pay-off. Do you really think it will make any difference? I don't. Only when people stop voting for the criminals they keep re-electing will anything change... and that will never happen. Do you think _any_ congressman, senator, or President Obama _cares_ what the voters or protesters say or believe? Not a bit of it. Because they can't throw them out of office. They're in, they can do whatever they want, and no one can stop them. It doesn't matter if they're hated by the entire rest of the country, as long as they can keep the pork coming in to their constituents in their home State, they're home free. Now, if every single person at those rallies would decide to vote Libertarian instead of Republican or Democrat, they might be able to make a difference; but as long as they keep voting Republican, nothing much will change.

I gather that the Democrats and the media are portraying protests as the maniacal ravings of a few right-wing extremists. To paraphrase the Romans, "Inter Populares silet ueritas" ("Among Liberals, the truth is silent").

Myself, I'm developing a set of slogans to match those in "1984": "Government is Tyranny" and "Taxation Is Theft." I just need to think of a third one. Perhaps "Democracy Is Slavery."

The important point of the Blue Dogs is that the founding fathers intended for this: gridlock.

The government isn't supposed to be efficient. Efficient government gives you internment camps and the Holocaust. It gives you the Patriot Act and the invasion of Iraq.

Even though it pisses off a handful of partisan hacks -- specially Lefties who want to create Nirvana with the money of other people -- gridlock is best.

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