The Mask Slips...Tamflu Gives 100 plus Sickness in Ahousaht

It's amazing how some will latch on to anything so long as it supports their preconceived notions.

#3 | Posted by jpw

self retort of the day for u?:>)

The Rumsfeld Swine Flu connection!
Posted April 26th, 2009 by Ron Paul is Tru...

Swine Flu Vaccination Propaganda from 1976
www.youtube.com

Check out this Rumsfeld connection:

"The Rumsfeld history starts in 1976, when a military recruit in New Jersey died from a flu that experts speculated might be the "swine flu" virus of 1918 pandemic fame. As Sargent tells it, Rumsfeld, who was then and is again the nation's secretary of defense, made the imminent "swine flu" a political issue to add some spark to the campaign of President Ford, an interim leader without a cause. At Rumsfeld's urging, the administration would ensure that "every man, woman and child" was vaccinated. Huge amounts of vaccine were produced and distributed quickly."-- Lisa Parsons
www.whale.to
www.whale.to

www.dailypaul.com

Donald Rumsfeld Rakes in $5 Million For Tamiflu
Posted by: Dr. Mercola
April 04 2006 | 5,471 views

Rumsfeld Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has made more than $5 million from selling shares in the firm that discovered and developed the flu drug Tamiflu.

He also retains shares worth $25 million or more. Tamiflu is bought in mass quantities by the government in order to treat a predicted outbreak of avian flu.

The drug was developed by Gilead Sciences. Mr. Rumsfeld was on the board of Gilead between 1988 and 2001, and was chairman starting in 1997. When he left to join the Bush administration, he retained a large shareholding .

In 2003, the year before concerns about bird flu began, the company took a loss. But in 2004, Tamiflu sales nearly quadrupled, and then nearly quadrupled again in 2005.

Divestiture of his stocks in the corporation is not required by the Office of Government Ethics or the Department of Defense Standards of Conduct Office.

articles.mercola.com

The article is riddled with inaccuracies... there's nothing to rebut.

#2 | Posted by ZombieHunter

At Stake: Your Life and the Lives of Your Loved Ones.
by Jim Humble, August, 2009.

Please, let me tell you about one of the most important chemicals that exists related to the health of mankind. It could save your life tomorrow, or anytime in the future.

As you probably know by now the swine flu is a disease said to have been created in government laboratories and released in Mexico about May 1, 2009.

mmsnews.org

self retort of the day for u

LOL says the guy who cites Jim Humble (metalurgist, no biology knowledge what so ever) and Dr. Mercola (quack who wants you to disbelieve tried and true modern medicine so you'll buy his shit) and doesn't even seem aware of how bad the information is he's citing (you don't actually know anything about biology, do you?).

My information is from here

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

and my positions come from reading on the topic from reputable sources.

"PubMed comprises more than 19 million citations for biomedical articles from MEDLINE and life science journals back to 1948. PubMed includes links to full-text articles which may be found in other databases such as PubMed Central or at publisher web sites."

I guess that's everything one needs to know then:>)

VALENTINE: And in the health business, of course, they found themselves a "quack", and used that "quack" to establish the American Medical Association [AMA]!

MULLINS: They certainly did. Because a "quack", by definition, is an unapproved doctor, a doctor who has no training. And any medication which is not approved by these same "quacks" -- they call it "quack medicine"!

VALENTINE: That's right. And who was that first AMA founder, and the AMA journal?

MULLINS: That was Abraham Flexner(sp?) and "Doc" William Simmons(sp?) of Lincoln, Nebraska. "Doc" Simmons was a man who had 2 fake medical degrees. And he is the person who created the American Medical Association as we know it today. He took it over in 1898.

VALENTINE: This Dr. Simmons -- they made a famous movie based on him, that he tried to drive his wife nuts.

MULLINS: Uh yes he did. Because she objected to his having a mistress there in Chicago. And so he decided he would give her drugs and drive her insane and put her in an asylum. And that would end this criticism.

Well it didn't work. She took him to court and got a divorce. And do you know that that became a very famous movie, "Gaslight", with Charles Boyer and Ingrid Bergman!

VALENTINE: Yep. I was just sayin', "Gaslight", [with] Charles Boyer [and] Ingrid Bergman, is based upon a true story of the original head of the AMA. And you mentioned the name of the guy who set him up -- Abraham Flexner.

MULLINS: Yeah. Flexner was John D. Rockefeller's "stool pigeon" in setting up the takeover of the entire medical school industry by Carnegie Foundation, which was a Rockefeller Foundation subsidiary at that time.

VALENTINE: Yes, that's interesting. The Carnegie Foundation is also the Carnegie Endowment, [which] is the big one behind education. [CN -- To see how the Carnegie Foundation encroached on our universities, ca. 1880-1920, see Universities and the Capitalist State, by Clyde Barrow, published by the University of Wisconsin Press.]

MULLINS: It certainly is. And they're totally controlled by the Rockefeller Foundation. When you say "Carnegie Foundation", you're talking about something that has no substance. It's entirely under the domination of the Rockefellers.

VALENTINE: Interesting stuff.

Now. Abraham Flexner. Wasn't there a thing called "The Flexner Report"?

MULLINS: He did "The Flexner Report", and this changed the medical schools of the United States from homeopathic, naturopathic medicine, to allopathic medicine -- which was a German school of medicine which depended on the heavy use of drugs, radical surgery, and long hospital stays. That's what we've got today, allopathic medicine.

VALENTINE: Yes. And then the next thing you need to control is the insurance industry and the hospital industry. And then you nationalize it and you've got everything!

MULLINS: That's right. And what Hillary Clinton was hoping to do for Senator Jay Rockefeller, the man behind health care "reform", she was going to deliver the health industry of the United States to him in a package tied up with a red ribbon. But she didn't make it.

www.whale.to

My information is from here

Using a government website to rebut someone who doesn't trust the government is not the best way to make your point.

and my positions come from reading on the topic from reputable sources.
#7 | Posted by jpw

Which takes the absurd view that poisons are good for us. Not one allotropic medicine is without dangeous side effects.

Dr. Mercola (quack who wants you to disbelieve tried and true modern medicine so you'll buy his shit)

His site requires staff and salaries. Your argument holds stronger for the entrenched medical establishment.

Using a government website to rebut someone who doesn't trust the government is not the best way to make your point.

The database is run by government agencies (NIH and National Library of Medicine), but the information contained in the database is from academics across the world that have passed muster with their peers in order to be published.

But if one wants to believe whale.to instead, be my guest.

Which takes the absurd view that poisons are good for us.

You've yet to point out those poisons or how they're bad for us. You listed stuff then made a broad statement about them being bad. HOW ARE THEY BAD FOR YOU RAY?

Not one allotropic medicine is without dangeous side effects.

They have no side effects because either a. they don't work and are inert or b. there have been little standardized studies of their affects.

His site requires staff and salaries.

First and foremost his salary as well.

products.mercola.com

How much you want to bet MOST of that shit doesn't do dick for your health. But it makes him a buck and makes you think you are doing something.

Your argument holds stronger for the entrenched medical establishment.

LOL of course it does. Doctors make so much money off vaccinations and the such. Scientists even more. And that's not even counting the buy offs from big Pharm.

One difference Ray that I'm sure you missed intentionally-every single penny made on his website goes to HIM and his COMPANY.

Disclaimer: The entire contents of this website are based upon the opinions of Dr. Mercola, unless otherwise noted. Individual articles are based upon the opinions of the respective author, who retains copyright as marked. The information on this website is not intended to replace a one-on-one relationship with a qualified health care professional and is not intended as medical advice. It is intended as a sharing of knowledge and information from the research and experience of Dr. Mercola and his community. Dr. Mercola encourages you to make your own health care decisions based upon your research and in partnership with a qualified health care professional.

Even the quack admits one should consult health care professionals. Surprise surprise.

I guess that's everything one needs to know then

You can be fairly confident that what you find on pubmed has been peer-reviewed and possesses a foundation in empirical evidence. A quack can post anything on the internet with any credentials they care to invent.

Do shitty studies get published? Of course. Have false claims been published? Of course. The reader has to scrutinize the work. False claims (like those of Dr. Wakefield) are outed in the end because the evidence that supports them cannot be reproduced.

Which takes the absurd view that poisons are good for us. Not one allotropic medicine is without dangeous side effects.

A wise old dead guy once said "everything is poison, there is poison in everything". Drink too much water and you will die. All medicines have potential side effects, but the vast majority of people accept that risk with the knowledge that the therapeutic effects of that medication outweigh the risks.

How many of the naturopathic "cures" being peddled to gullible chumps around this nation have a single shred of experimental evidence demonstrating their efficacy?

If alternative medicine works, why does it consistently fail to show benefits in controlled settings?

Why do its advocates refuse to subject their "cures" to the same scrutiny as allopathic medicine?

Oops this is the quote: "Everything is poison, there is poison in everything. Only the dose makes a thing not a poison."

You've yet to point out those poisons or how they're bad for us. You listed stuff then made a broad statement about them being bad. HOW ARE THEY BAD FOR YOU RAY?

I'm shocked that you know nothing about toxicology. Medical literature is filled with information about side effects. You just discredited yourself.

One difference Ray that I'm sure you missed intentionally-every single penny made on his website goes to HIM and his COMPANY.

What do you mean missed? That was my point. If you are going to use the money-is-evil argument, then you should also apply it to your benefactors who are wealthier by many magnitudes. What you are really trying to do is deflect way from the issue of poisonous side effects.

How much you want to bet MOST of that shit doesn't do dick for your health. But it makes him a buck and makes you think you are doing something.

About 45 years ago when I was in my twenties, I found a book called "Food is Your Best Medicine." That book changed my way of thinking about health. I wouldn't be healthy at 68, otherwise. We have an immune system honed by millions of years of evolution. The right way towards health is to work with it, not subject it to a daily barrage of poisons and over processed food.

If alternative medicine works, why does it consistently fail to show benefits in controlled settings?

Zombie

lol link? ff

If alternative medicine works, why does it consistently fail to show benefits in controlled settings?

Establishmet doctors run bogus tests. I know this to be fact.

I can think of one case off the top of my head. One of these pseudo-test studies found that Vitamin E is bad for you (I can't remember what the symptom was). What they did was run the test with the alpha-tocopheral form of Vitamin E alone, when Vitamin E has to be taken with mixed tocopherals. The effect they saw was a depletion of gamma-tocopheral, the more potent form of Vitamin E.

Vitamin E, in case you didn't know, is a natural blood thinner.

Time after time, the medical establishment runs tests like that for media consumption to scare the public away from natural supplements.

" I found a book called "Food is Your Best Medicine." That book changed my way of thinking about health. I wouldn't be healthy at 68, otherwise."

You don't know that. That's speculative bullshit. There are people who live to 100 on a diet of liquor, tobacco and potato chips.

Why do its advocates refuse to subject their "cures" to the same scrutiny as allopathic medicine?

There has been incredible amount of research done over the decades. You just are not aware of it. For a sample, check out any of the articles at lef.org (Life Extension Foundation).

Even the quack admits one should consult health care professionals. Surprise surprise.

#11 | Posted by jpw

It hadn't occurred to me until now ~ u must be a shill quake for the pharms! or?

sorry I was so slow in figuring it out...Mercola suggest silver/mercury fillings to be quite toxic to ur health

Dental industry is a $50 billion plus industry, yet snope doesn't have the guts to expose 'em.

if you get cremated ur remains can't be anywhere outside in the ground or air w/o EPA approval because...lol...of the mercury content potential in ur dear ashes as far as I know

There are people who live to 100 on a diet of liquor, tobacco and potato chips.

#18 | Posted by nullifidian

& maybe even u on weed & thc with Willie Nelson giving u karate lessons by then:>)

I'm shocked that you know nothing about toxicology. Medical literature is filled with information about side effects. You just discredited yourself.

And yet you fail to cite any of it (ironically you're citing that very same evil medical literature that says Mercola is full of shit...).

Although I am not a toxicologist I also realize that you are looking at this in ridiculous black and white terms. You've yet to show you grasp the concept that dose matters and therefore why these "poisons" aren't as much a problem as you'd like them to be.

That was my point. If you are going to use the money-is-evil argument, then you should also apply it to your benefactors who are wealthier by many magnitudes.

I'm not using the money-is-evil argument, I'm alright with people making money. You just seem oblivious to the fact that he's in it purely for the money as evidenced by the fact that his disclaimer instructs one to CONTINUE to see a doctor.

As for being magnitudes more wealthy-
thewellnessrevolution.paulzane
pilzer.com

I think you'd be hard pressed to find many doctors who make as much money as he does (I couldn't find specific dollar amounts for his net worth, but his site rakes in tens of millions of dollars and he only employs ~70 people).

What you are really trying to do is deflect way from the issue of poisonous side effects.

I don't have to deflect, you've yet to show that the amounts of the ingredients in vaccines are at levels shown to be toxic. Again, their mere presence is not indicative of toxicity.

I wouldn't be healthy at 68, otherwise.

You have no way to stating that with any absolute certainty.

We have an immune system honed by millions of years of evolution. The right way towards health is to work with it, not subject it to a daily barrage of poisons and over processed food.

I am well informed of the workings of the immune system. Probably well in advance of any knowledge you have.

But humor me anyway and explain how "poisons" and "processed food" effect your immune system and not just YOU as a whole.

u must be a shill quake for the pharms! or?

I've been accused of that before on this blog. I assure you I am not, although I'm sure you won't believe it.

You just can't believe that someone is actually knowledgeable on the topic of virology and vaccines and actually supports them (gasp!).

Mercola suggest silver/mercury fillings to be quite toxic to ur health

And yet after decades of use we don't see mass mercury poisoning do we? Most baby boomers I know have several and yet they don't exhibit signs of mercury poisoning.

Dental industry is a $50 billion plus industry, yet snope doesn't have the guts to expose 'em.

Innuendo. The standard fare of conspiracies that is somehow made into "evidence" by sloppy thinking.

if you get cremated ur remains can't be anywhere outside in the ground or air w/o EPA approval because...lol...of the mercury content potential in ur dear ashes as far as I know

Link?

You have no way to stating that with any absolute certainty.

Yes I do. Over the years, I've relieved the problems that come with age by adjusting diet and nutrients.

I don't have to deflect, you've yet to show that the amounts of the ingredients in vaccines are at levels shown to be toxic. Again, their mere presence is not indicative of toxicity.

Your industry better come up with a credible explanation for autism then just flat denials. That's the strategy the tobacco companies took.

I am well informed of the workings of the immune system. Probably well in advance of any knowledge you have.

I'm sure you do. But I'm equally sure you are uninformed about the effects of nutrition on the immune system. Your training is in allotropic cures, not naturopathic cures.

You of all people should know that allotropic medicines are pallative, not curative. It is food that makes us sick and it is food that can make us healthy. Allotropic medicines either block or stimulate, forcing the body to defend itself. Naturopathic medicines make themselves available to our bodies to take what they need to heal in a process called metastasis.

The differences in approach are polar opposite, but scientifically profound.

"I'm not using the money-is-evil argument, I'm alright with people making money. You just seem oblivious to the fact that he's in it purely for the money as evidenced by the fact that his disclaimer instructs one to CONTINUE to see a doctor"

lol proof!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!

of what?

he has to...lawyers are getting cheaper these days:>)

"I am well informed of the workings of the immune system. Probably well in advance of any knowledge you have."

translation: I have a shill degree from one of the Pharm's bible schools

if you get cremated ur remains can't be anywhere outside in the ground or air w/o EPA approval because...lol...of the mercury content potential in ur dear ashes as far as I know

Link?

#24 | Posted by jpw

my mom & dad were cremated...

It was illegal for their ashes to be where they ended up:>)LOL

"Dental industry is a $50 billion plus industry, yet snope doesn't have the guts to expose 'em".

Innuendo. The standard fare of conspiracies that is somehow made into "evidence" by sloppy thinkingy

jpw

more proof that stupidity is still mainstream at Pharm's bible schools?:>)

But humor me anyway and explain how "poisons" and "processed food" effect your immune system and not just YOU as a whole.
#22 | Posted by jpw

Before I answer, I want to be sure I understand you. You think the quality of food has nothing to do with health?

"Mercola suggest silver/mercury fillings to be quite toxic to ur health"

And yet after decades of use we don't see mass mercury poisoning do we? Most baby boomers I know have several and yet they don't exhibit signs of mercury poisoning.

jpw

funi, the FDA now much more interested in this subject matter from lawsuits related to this amazing lack of proof...

FDA Pressed by Lawsuit to Address Mercury Amalgam Safety

www.naturalnews.com

lol link?

REVIEWS OF QUACKERY MASQUERADING AS MEDICINE:

Naturopathy: A Critical Appraisal

Naturopathy, Pseudoscience, and Medicine: Myths and Fallacies vs Truth - The author of the previous article responds to the largely uneducated comments of critics.

Quack Cures or Scientific Remedies

AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF CLINICAL ENDOCRINOLOGISTS
MEDICAL GUIDELINES FOR THE CLINICAL USE OF
DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS AND NUTRACEUTICALS

Homeopathy for Childhood and Adolescence Ailments: Systematic Review of Randomized Clinical Trials

CONTROLLED STUDIES DEMONSTRATING THE FAILURE OF NATUROPATHIC "CURES"

A Double-blind, Controlled Clinical Trial of Homeopathy and an Analysis of Lunar Phases and Postoperative Outcome

Effect of homeopathy on analgesic intake following knee ligament reconstruction: a phase III monocentre randomized placebo controlled study

ENTERTAINMENT:

Entanglement theory and the effects of blinding on trials of homeopathy and homeopathic provings - A thoroughly laughable attempt to twist quantum mechanics into an excuse for the failure of homeopathic treatments... published in a "complementary and alternative medicine" journal.

"
Entanglement theory and the effects of blinding on trials of homeopathy and homeopathic provings
"

ROTFLMAO!!

"REVIEWS OF QUACKERY MASQUERADING AS MEDICINE:"

VALENTINE: And in the health business, of course, they found themselves a "quack", and used that "quack" to establish the American Medical Association [AMA]!

VALENTINE: That's right. And who was that first AMA founder, and the AMA journal?

VALENTINE: This Dr. Simmons -- they made a famous movie based on him, that he tried to drive his wife nuts.

Well it didn't work. She took him to court and got a divorce. And do you know that that became a very famous movie, "Gaslight", with Charles Boyer and Ingrid Bergman!

VALENTINE: Interesting stuff.

Now. Abraham Flexner. Wasn't there a thing called "The Flexner Report"?

VALENTINE: Yes. And then the next thing you need to control is the insurance industry and the hospital industry. And then you nationalize it and you've got everything!

www.whale.to

"
Entanglement theory and the effects of blinding on trials of homeopathy and homeopathic provings
"

ROTFLMAO!!

#33 | Posted by Zatoichi

"Distilled water is acidic."

Somebody failed chemistry 101.
Epically failed.

#55 | Posted by Zatoichi

www.drudge.com

ROTFLMAO!!

Zat, read it. You will be in stitches. Homeopathic operators, therapeutic state spaces...

Way to go, bani. I post links to reputable sources, and you can only dredge up some fringe conspiracy site. Predictable.

#37 | Posted by ZombieHunter

Feds mum over legal protection for swine flu vaccine makers

The federal government won't say if Canadians who suffer harmful side effects from the new swine flu shot can take the vaccine maker to court.

The Public Health Agency of Canada will not reveal whether drug companies are shielded from H1N1 flu vaccine lawsuits in this country like they are in the United States.

www.google.com

the Pharms in action...

Swine flu hotline staff are 'making deadly errors'

www.dailymail.co.uk

Doctors across the country believe patients are dying because of blunders by staff at swine flu call centres.

Serious illnesses such as meningitis, tonsillitis and pneumonia had been missed by the untrained staff, they said.

Thirty-seven per cent of GPs told researchers they have had to pick up the pieces of treating those wrongly told by operators they had swine flu.

I googled "iatrogenic mortality data" and here is one that I found at alternative-doctor.com

ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:
12,000 -----unnecessary surgery (8)
7,000 -----medication errors in hospitals (9)
20,000 -----other errors in hospitals (10)
80,000 -----infections in hospitals (10)
106,000 ----non-error, negative effects of drugs (2)
These total to 250,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes!!
What does the word "iatrogenic" mean? This term is defined as induced in a
patient by a physician's activity, manner, or therapy. Used especially of a
complication of treatment.
Dr. Starfield offers several warnings in interpreting these numbers:
First, most of the data are derived from studies in hospitalized patients.
Second, these estimates are for deaths only and do not include negative
effects that are associated with disability or discomfort. Third, the
estimates of death due to error are lower than those in the IOM report.

[Remember, only 60,000 Americans lost their life in the entire Vietnam war!- KSM]
(1) If the higher estimates are used, the deaths due to iatrogenic causes
would range from 230,000 to 284,000. In any case, 225,000 deaths per year
constitutes the third leading cause of death in the United States, after
deaths from heart disease and cancer. Even if these figures are
overestimated, there is a wide margin between these numbers of deaths and
the next leading cause of death (cerebrovascular disease).
Another analysis (11) concluded that between 4% and 18% of consecutive
patients experience negative effects in outpatient settings, with:
116 million extra physician visits
77 million extra prescriptions
17 million emergency department visits
8 million hospitalizations
3 million long-term admissions
199,000 additional deaths
$77 billion in extra costs
The high cost of the health care system is considered to be a deficit, but
seems to be tolerated under the assumption that better health results from
more expensive care.
However, evidence from a few studies indicates that as many as 20% to 30%
of patients receive inappropriate care.
An estimated 44,000 to 98,000 among them die each year as a result of
medical errors. (2)

Like I keep saying, the FDA and the CDC are fronts for the pharmaceutical poison industry.

ALL THESE ARE DEATHS PER YEAR:
12,000 -----unnecessary surgery (8)
7,000 -----medication errors in hospitals (9)
20,000 -----other errors in hospitals (10)
80,000 -----infections in hospitals (10)
106,000 ----non-error, negative effects of drugs (2)
These total to 250,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes!!

and the devil in all of this are the insurance companies?

Shit, more care needs to be denied. Might actually save some lives.

LOL

Do tort reform and those numbers will increase ten fold.

Iatrogenic Disease: The 3rd Most Fatal Disease in the USA

Truly scandalous. It's not discussed by Zombies's "reputable sources" and never reported in the mainstream media.

"Homeopathic operators"

What is the Hamltonian?

What are the eigenvectors and eigenvalues?

This is hilarious.

"never reported"

That's because it's bullshit, like everything else you post.

You think the quality of food has nothing to do with health?

I've never said anything remotely close to this. Of course quality of food and nutrition play important roles in health. However, I am not of the mind that modern medicine can be replaced by good eating.

Your industry better come up with a credible explanation for autism then just flat denials. That's the strategy the tobacco companies took.

LOL more backwards logic from Ray. "I say so, so prove me wrong" is NOT how these things work. My "industry" (whatever that means) does not have to come up with a credible cause for anything (although scientists ARE the ones determining the causes of autism). Those attempting to link vaccines to autism have to provide the evidence to support their hypothesis and so far they have not done so.

But I'm equally sure you are uninformed about the effects of nutrition on the immune system. Your training is in allotropic cures, not naturopathic cures.

I don't deny my knowledge of nutrition is elementary. I am not a nutritionist.

It is food that makes us sick and it is food that can make us healthy. Allotropic medicines either block or stimulate, forcing the body to defend itself. Naturopathic medicines make themselves available to our bodies to take what they need to heal in a process called metastasis.

There is not a shred of evidence to support this. Naturopathy has failed miserably in all studies I've read and while nutrient deficiency can certainly make one more susceptible to infection, it is not exclusively food that makes us sick of healthy.

"Naturopathy" is about as important and true as numerology or astrology.

Truly scandalous. It's not discussed by Zombies's "reputable sources" and never reported in the mainstream media.

#43 | Posted by Ray

Man, you one crazy mofo. You get loonier by the week.

#46 | Posted by jpw

translation; this is what I learn in Pharm bible school

13 things that do not make sense

www.newscientist.com

he has to...lawyers are getting cheaper these days:>)

What exactly would he be sued for, Bani? That his products won't work as advertised? Probably. That his products won't actually cure anything? Probably. That once someone has been had they'd realize the guy is out to make a buck and does not give two shits about peoples health? Probably.

That's why he is covering his ass in a disclaimer in small font with a poor color choice against the background. He isn't 100% confident in the shit he peddles because he knows it's NOT a substitute for modern medicine.

funi, the FDA now much more interested in this subject matter from lawsuits related to this amazing lack of proof...

FDA Pressed by Lawsuit to Address Mercury Amalgam Safety

Funny you think citing natural news to back up claims by natural news is making your argument stronger. LOL

Also, the filing of a lawsuit does not mean the topic of the lawsuit is valid-ie Birther lawsuits

Feds mum over legal protection for swine flu vaccine makers

It's been discusses several times on various threads that vaccine producers are immune to lawsuits stemming from vaccines. There's a vaccine injury board set up that assesses claims and pays out injury settlements in the cases where the vaccine was found to injure the patient.

You get loonier by the week.

#48 | Posted by nullifidian

u should know...how's funi is Dexter w/o weed?

translation; this is what I learn in Pharm bible school

Translation-I don't know enough to argue with you so I'll make a snide comment insinuating you follow whatever you're told unquestioningly.

It's not my fault you don't understand the very links you cut and paste and that cutting and pasting passes as debating in your world.

If you disagree with my assessment that naturopathy has failed miserably time and time again, post the evidence to the contrary. Until then you've got shit.

#50 | Posted by jpw

the AMA? lol

H1N1 Swine Flu Virus Patented by Medimmune Back in 2008

www.viddler.com

If you disagree with my assessment that naturopathy has failed miserably time and time again, post the evidence to the contrary. Until then you've got shit.

#52 | Posted by jpw

Vaccine makers spread uncirculated virus to test vaccines ?!

"Also in Europe, some manufacturers have conducted advance studies using a so-called "mock-up" vaccine. Mock-up vaccines contain an active ingredient for an influenza virus that has not circulated recently in human populations and thus mimics the novelty of a pandemic virus. Such advance studies can greatly expedite regulatory approval."

pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot
.com

Translation-I don't know enough to argue with you so I'll make a snide comment insinuating you follow whatever you're told unquestioningly

jpw

which Pharm Bible School did u go to?

Until then you've got shit.

#52 | Posted by jpw

more s$$T? on the bogus vaccine cures the Pharm shills promote for ?

Will Americans Obey Government Orders During a Swine Flu Pandemic?

Local authorities are keen to know whether American citizens will obey the government in the event of an H1N1 pandemic and take the swine flu vaccine, amidst growing fears of quarantines and forced injections that have been circulating in recent weeks.

www.prisonplanet.com

Every sign points to the fact that health authorities are preparing mass vaccination programs and quarantines that could be instituted should the H1N1 virus make a deadlier comeback, which has been all but guaranteed by U.S. health authorities as well as the WHO.

"He isn't 100% confident in the shit he peddles because he knows it's NOT a substitute for modern medicine"

a Pharm shill

nooooooooooo...how about big Pharms are ramming down their bogu$ drug$ vs saner & cheaper alternatives...like Baking Soda for one...MMS Protocol & so forth

Daycare Worker Told She'll Be Fired For Refusing Mandatory Flu Shot
By: malterwitty

A daycare worker employed by Northeast Health in Albany New York was shocked to be told by her boss that she would be fired if she refused to take a seasonal swine flu shot on the spot. Similar stories have been pouring in to us from all over the country as fears that the upcoming H1N1 shot will also be mandatory continue to grow.

The case emphasizes why President Obama's claim that the swine flu shot will be voluntary is completely deceptive and misleading. Americans across the country, even those not directly connected with health care work, are being ordered to take the mandated seasonal and swine flu shots or lose their jobs.

www.prisonplanet.com

"Naturopathy" is about as important and true as numerology or astrology.

#47 | Posted by nullifidian

Even Willie Nelson probably doesn't agree with u here:>)

"Even Willie Nelson probably doesn't agree with u here:>)"

What makes you think I give a shit?

#59 | Posted by nullifidian

Stoners used this, too

Use the natural squatting position safely and comfortably with Nature's Platform

www.naturesplatform.com

#60 | Posted by Bani at 2009-09-22 06:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Don't you have some moronic conspiracy theories to post?

#61 | Posted by nullifidian

Hey, I was a stoner once

Well, there is always the conspiracies of Ultramarine to focus on while tripping...

images.google.com

later:>)

If you disagree with my assessment that naturopathy has failed miserably time and time again, post the evidence to the contrary. Until then you've got shit.
#52 | Posted by jpw

I told you above that those tests that are routinely published in the press are set up to fail. It's because you don't understand nutrition, you can't see through it.

If I was in your position, when the future of my health is at stake, I would make the effort to understand the naturopath view. There is no point in wasting my time with people who have a closed mind.

Establishment medicine has three basic procedures: poison, cut or radiate. This is Dark Ages stuff. They don't cure in the true sense of the word. Only food can do that.

They don't cure in the true sense of the word. Only food can do that.

LOL

So you agree with Susanne Somers' assessment of Patrick Swayze then? If he'd eaten well and forgone chemo he'd have survived?

BTW they only "poison, cut or radiate" for a reason. If you understood cancer, you'd understand why they use those methods.

Only food can do that.

So what should I eat if I'm having an MI?

Aspirin?

Oops that's one of those dirty "establishment medicines".

Fucking idiot. Entertaining... but dumb.

"Aspirin?"

Because willow bark contains salicin, people who are allergic or sensitive to salicylates (such as aspirin) should not use willow bark.

BTW they only "poison, cut or radiate" for a reason. If you understood cancer, you'd understand why they use those methods.

#65 | Posted by jpw

& the pharm bible schools taught u everything u need to know about cancer?

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Establishment medicine has three basic procedures: poison, cut or radiate. This is Dark Ages stuff. They don't cure in the true sense of the word. Only food can do that.

#64 | Posted by Ray

no kidding...starting with Acid/Alkaline diets & lots of good water ~ especially if overweight can be beneficial, too

www.inch-aweigh.com

something new...I haven't research it yet

The Effect of Excess Weight on the Brain
...
Wednesday, September 23, 2009 12:00:33 PM
From:
"my friend from St. Olaf College

says he:
"News appears to be a legit item. Many google hits to legit looking
medical news sites.
"This is a month old I had not heard about it.

"I think this is the original press release"
newsroom.ucla.edu

mac10.umc.pitt.edu

www.medicalnewstoday.com

www.naturalnews.com

stanford.wellsphere.com

& the pharm bible schools taught u everything u need to know about cancer?

No, I don't have that much hubris.

I do know enough however, to spot the bullshit in your link. I've also already heard of this guy and his hypothesis that C. albicans is responsible for cancer. I've yet to see anything more than his opinion backing this ridiculous claim.

www.curenaturalicancro.com

That's the ONLY paper supporting bicarbonate treatments of cancer as being beneficial. Even then, it doesn't "cure" or even treat the tumor, it just prevents the spread (matastasis) of the tumor by neutralizing the acidic pH that leads to tumor cell release.

So yet again, you've posted stuff you don't understand under the guise of debate.

scienceblogs.com

Interesting blog post.

Great blog too.

He covers a lot of "alternative medicine" (called woo in the blogosphere) claims and studies and dissects them from the viewpoint of a practicing physician.

So yet again, you've posted stuff you don't understand under the guise of debate.

#71 | Posted by jpw

meanwhile swine flu can be stopped cold by MMS Protocol & w/o the dangerous side effects of the above article who's accuracy hasn't been debunked whatever by the pharm bible fanatics above ~ funny how hubris gets spread about:>)

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As you probably know by now the swine flu is a disease said to have been created in government laboratories and released in Mexico about May 1, 2009.

Instead of the "less than 100" deaths reported in Mexico, it has been unofficially established by many radio stations that several thousand deaths actually happened. I established that number of deaths while I was living in Mexico by calling people I knew who live there who were employed at the hospitals.
This chemical I want to tell you about is actually a miracle when you find how it works. A drop or two of it can go into your body and kill all of the disease-causing pathogens without killing any of the beneficial bacteria or doing any kind of damage to your normal body cells.

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As autumn approaches and
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Getting rich selling medicine to perfectly healthy people!

Getting rich selling medicine to perfectly healthy people!

Preventative medicine is cheaper than dealing with the disease. Would you rather 10 million people get a shot that keeps them from getting sick or have 10 million get sick?

Preventative medicine is cheaper than dealing with the disease. Would you rather 10 million people get a shot that keeps them from getting sick or have 10 million get sick?

I think that "in theory" that is correct but your math isn't right. It's more of a gamble along the lines of giving 10 million a shot to prevent 100,000 getting a disease.

Again, I agree that preventative medicine would be better but the problem with that is that most people who don't choose to get preventative care are people who already have health insurance.

For instance.....I'll bet that most men over the age of say....53 who have not had a colonoscopy have health insurance but have simply chosen not to do the procedure. Hell, in my office you can sign up for a FREE flu shot and only 1/3 of the employees have signed up.

"They don't cure in the true sense of the word. Only food can do that."

LOL
So you agree with Susanne Somers' assessment of Patrick Swayze then? If he'd eaten well and forgone chemo he'd have survived?
BTW they only "poison, cut or radiate" for a reason. If you understood cancer, you'd understand why they use those methods.
#65 | Posted by jpw at 2009-09-22 09:20 PM

As a matter of fact it is possible. Radiotherapies are disasterous, if survivable. Many times they cause damage to multiple tissues, rather than just the "targets".

So, you do admit that baking soda can combat cancer, yet are unwilling to explore why? As a virologist aren't you interested in the least? Did you explore what I mentioned about blood pH? I hope that's a relatively easy thing to verify.

As for your assertions that diet has nothing to do with "curing" a body, consider that television-style study Simply Raw - Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days. What could be causing that response? They are taken off medications, insulin and fed nothing but a raw (uncooked, unprocessed) diet. What could be the reason for the cure? Placebo effect?

I believe I was the one who called you a shill, and I did apologize for it. You are so knowledgeable, I don't want you to get discouraged over Drudge debate, or take the rancor personally. We've got plenty of room for even more diverse opinions and data, imo.

Please, check out that film I keep harping at 'Dying To Have Known'. It's not peer-reviewed so much as acknowledged and dismissed by mainstream medical science, as the multiple interviews with mainstream and celebrity doctors will show for you. Both sides are represented, you decide what opinions are deceitful. Also, it's beautifully shot!

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#68 | Posted by Bani at 2009-09-23 02:02 PM

And topically, it apparently can relieve the effects of hyperhidrosis.

"Getting rich selling medicine to perfectly healthy people!"

Preventative medicine is cheaper than dealing with the disease. Would you rather 10 million people get a shot that keeps them from getting sick or have 10 million get sick?
#75 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-09-23 05:38 PM

It really depends upon how you define "preventative medicine". Do you believe that the old addage "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" has merit?

Also, I'm rather concerned that Rumsfeld is involved so heavily with Tamiflu. Does anyone here believe anything that comes from that mans mouth or what goes into his wallet?

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As a matter of fact it is possible. Radiotherapies are disasterous, if survivable. Many times they cause damage to multiple tissues, rather than just the "targets".

No, it's not possible to beat pancreatic cancer with good diet.

Pancreatic cancer is one of the nastiest cancers one can catch and Patrick Swayze lived well beyond expectations for the stage he was diagnosed with.

And I would suggest you update your knowledge about radiation therapies. I was figured your point was a concern, but after talking with a good friend who's a radiation oncology resident, I found out it's not. New treatments use machines that focus on the tissue while moving the source, thus exposing peripheral tissues to lower doses of radiation while keeping the tumor in the focus of the beam.

So, you do admit that baking soda can combat cancer, yet are unwilling to explore why?

They mention why in the paper, although they do say their understanding is incomplete.

As a virologist aren't you interested in the least?

No. I might be interested if I were an oncologist :)

Did you explore what I mentioned about blood pH?

Where and when was that?

I've never heard of it so I can't really have an opinion.

I don't want you to get discouraged over Drudge debate, or take the rancor personally.

Believe me I don't.

I realize many are set in their conclusions and are beyond reaching. Those aren't the people I'm interested in. It's the people who read the BS they post and think it has validity that I'm interested in reaching.

"As a matter of fact it is possible. Radiotherapies are disasterous, if survivable. Many times they cause damage to multiple tissues, rather than just the "targets"."

No, it's not possible to beat pancreatic cancer with good diet.
Pancreatic cancer is one of the nastiest cancers one can catch and Patrick Swayze lived well beyond expectations for the stage he was diagnosed with.
And I would suggest you update your knowledge about radiation therapies. I was figured your point was a concern, but after talking with a good friend who's a radiation oncology resident, I found out it's not. New treatments use machines that focus on the tissue while moving the source, thus exposing peripheral tissues to lower doses of radiation while keeping the tumor in the focus of the beam.

"So, you do admit that baking soda can combat cancer, yet are unwilling to explore why?"

They mention why in the paper, although they do say their understanding is incomplete.
As a virologist aren't you interested in the least?
No. I might be interested if I were an oncologist :)

"Did you explore what I mentioned about blood pH?"

Where and when was that?

"As for your assertions that diet has nothing to do with "curing" a body, consider that television-style study Simply Raw - Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days. What could be causing that response? They are taken off medications, insulin and fed nothing but a raw (uncooked, unprocessed) diet. What could be the reason for the cure? Placebo effect?"

I've never heard of it so I can't really have an opinion.

"I don't want you to get discouraged over Drudge debate, or take the rancor personally."

Believe me I don't.
I realize many are set in their conclusions and are beyond reaching. Those aren't the people I'm interested in. It's the people who read the BS they post and think it has validity that I'm interested in reaching.
#80 | Posted by jpw at 2009-09-24 02:33 AM

I'll obviously update my information regarding targeted radiation therapy. If you (or anyone) can provide me any links to supplement my Googling I would be very appreciative. Pictures of the devices are also quite descriptive for me.

Regarding Patrick's pancreas, perhaps there is something that could have prevented the expansion of cancerous cells - like how baking soda allegedly makes the blood an unpalatable pH of 7.5, rather than irradiating the organs? I imagine that the medical community has only just begun to understand the effects of our highly acidic American dietary problems. From what I understand thats the basic theory behind alkali such as baking soda - to alter the pH enough that cancers become benign and even recede. Many people hold the opinion that the body does cure itself when given proper dietary modality - such as a metabolism that is processing efficiently, rather than burdened.

After all - cancer isn't introduced, it's "created" by the body itself. It makes sense that if it's at all reversible by the body there would need to be a rationale for that process. Diet seems obvious, but I'm always open to information from all sides explaining the processes involved.

We can probably honorably agree to disagree about the uses of medical knowledge. I hope you intend on checking out the video links I've posted above - I'm curious your response. Particularly what you have to say regarding the various AMA representatives responses in 'Dying To Have Known'.

it's not possible to beat pancreatic cancer with good diet.

#80 | POSTED BY JPW

Don't waste your e-breath, JPW.

You're arguing against an "armchair neurologist" who conflates meningioma with a gliblastoma.

Apparently, it's a DR rule that if one has survived past the age of 60 and "mastered" one area of knowledge, one automatically gains access to a deeper understanding of the fabric of the universe as a whole......don't eat that! It'll give you cancer! Caught the glioblastoma? Cut out red meats! Eat MOAR raw vegetables! Vitamins! You'll duke it out and be victorious!!! etc.

These old geezers (Ray, Tad, et al) think they've mastered the universe and are able (?) to dictate exactly what happens at every step of the way re: a very specific subject in its very specific context.........in which they aren't trained and have little knowledge......

...........somehow, that generalizes to the rest of the world......somehow......

....if I could only figure out their secret!

Then, I'd know everything!

You nailed it, Zarathustra.

"Radiation therapy is often considered for WHO Grade I meningiomas after subtotal (incomplete) tumor resections. The clinical decision to irradiate after a subtotal resection is somewhat controversial as no class I randomized controlled trials exists on the subject.[16] Numerous retrospective studies, however, have strongly suggested that the addition of post-operative radiation to incomplete resections improves both progression free survival (i.e. prevents tumor recurrence) and improves overall survival.[17]
In the case of a Grade II or Grade III meningioma, the current standard of care involves post-operative radiation treatment regardless of the degree of surgical resection.[18] This is due to the proportionally higher rate of local recurrence for these higher grade tumors."

So, the tumor is sectioned and "liquefied"? Sounds barbaric, particularly if merely altering the blood pH can inhibit the tumors further expansion. Perhaps there is some merit in "Cut out red meats! Eat MOAR raw vegetables! Vitamins!" since those form of dietary conditioning can alter blood chemistry?

Steroid Sulfatase: A New Target for the Endocrine Therapy of Breast Cancer
Inhibitors of steroid sulfatase are being developed as a novel therapy for hormone-dependent breast cancer in postmenopausal women. Data suggest that steroid sulfatase (STS) activity is much higher than aromatase activity in breast tumors and high levels of STS mRNA expression in tumors are associated with a poor prognosis. STS hydrolyzes steroid sulfates, such as estrone sulfate and dehydroepiandrosterone sulfate (DHEAS), to estrone and DHEA, which can be converted to steroids with potent estrogenic properties, that is, estradiol and androstenediol, respectively. Several potent irreversible STS inhibitors have now been identified, including STX64 (BN83495), a tricyclic sulfamate ester. This drug recently completed the first-ever trial of this new type of therapy in postmenopausal women with estrogen receptorpositive metastatic breast cancer. STX64, tested at 5-mg and 20-mg doses, was able to almost completely block STS activity in peripheral blood lymphocytes and tumor tissues. Inhibition of STS activity was associated with significant reductions in serum concentrations of androstenediol and estrogens. Unexpectedly, serum androstenedione concentrations also decreased by up to 86%, showing that this steroid, which is the main substrate for the aromatase in postmenopausal women, is derived mainly from the peripheral conversion of DHEAS. Of eight patients who completed therapy, five showed evidence of stable disease for up to 7.0 months. This new endocrine therapy offers considerable potential for the treatment of hormone-dependent breast cancer in postmenopausal women.

Disclosure of potential conflicts of interest is found at the end of this article.

Interactions of the human cytosolic sulfotransferases and steroid sulfatase in the metabolism of tibolone and raloxifene.
Falany JL, Falany CN.

Department of Pharmacology and Toxicology, University of Alabama at Birmingham, Birmingham, AL 35205, USA.

Sulfation is important in the metabolism and inactivation of steroidal compounds and hormone replacement therapeutic (HRT) agents in human tissues. Although generally inactive, many steroid sulfates are hydrolyzed to their active forms by sulfatase activity. Therefore, the specific sulfotransferase (SULT) isoforms and the levels of steroid sulfatase (STS) activity in tissues are important in regulating the activity of steroidal and HRT compounds. Tibolone (Tib) is metabolized to three active metabolites and all four compounds are readily sulfated. Tib and the Delta4-isomer are sulfated at the 17beta-OH group by SULT2A1 and the 17-sulfates are resistant to hydrolysis by human placental STS. 3alpha-OH and 3beta-OH Tib can form both 3- and 17-monosulfates as well as disulfates. Only the 3beta-sulfates are susceptible to STS hydrolysis. Raloxifene monosulfation was catalyzed by at least seven SULT isoforms and SULT1E1 also synthesizes raloxifene disulfate. SULT1E1 forms both monosulfates in a ratio of approximately 8:1 with the more abundant monosulfate migrating on HPLC identical to the SULT2A1 synthesized monosulfate. The raloxifene monosulfate formed by both SULT isoforms is sensitive to STS hydrolysis whereas the low abundance monosulfate formed by SULT1E1 is resistant. The benzothiophene sulfates of raloxifene and arzoxifene were hydrolyzed by STS whereas the raloxifene 4'-phenolic sulfate was resistant. These results indicate that tissue specific expression of SULT isoforms and STS could be important in the inactivation and regeneration of the active forms of HRT agents.

Interactions of the human cytosolic sulfotransferases and steroid sulfatase in the metabolism of tibolone and raloxifene
Sulfation is important in the metabolism and inactivation of steroidal compounds and hormone replacement therapeutic (HRT) agents in human tissues. Although generally inactive, many steroid sulfates are hydrolyzed to their active forms by sulfatase activity. Therefore, the specific sulfotransferase (SULT) isoforms and the levels of steroid sulfatase (STS) activity in tissues are important in regulating the activity of steroidal and HRT compounds. Tibolone (Tib) is metabolized to three active metabolites and all four compounds are readily sulfated. Tib and the Δ4-isomer are sulfated at the 17β-OH group by SULT2A1 and the 17-sulfates are resistant to hydrolysis by human placental STS. 3α-OH and 3β-OH Tib can form both 3- and 17-monosulfates as well as disulfates. Only the 3β-sulfates are susceptible to STS hydrolysis. Raloxifene monosulfation was catalyzed by at least seven SULT isoforms and SULT1E1 also synthesizes raloxifene disulfate. SULT1E1 forms both monosulfates in a ratio of approximately 8:1 with the more abundant monosulfate migrating on HPLC identical to the SULT2A1 synthesized monosulfate. The raloxifene monosulfate formed by both SULT isoforms is sensitive to STS hydrolysis whereas the low abundance monosulfate formed by SULT1E1 is resistant. The benzothiophene sulfates of raloxifene and arzoxifene were hydrolyzed by STS whereas the raloxifene 4′-phenolic sulfate was resistant. These results indicate that tissue specific expression of SULT isoforms and STS could be important in the inactivation and regeneration of the active forms of HRT agents.

It would appear that metabolic changes (such as pregnancy and menopause) begin the cycle of possible tumor growth. Perhaps an applied diet could counter these inevitable, counter-productive responses to steroidal compounds? I wonder if the similar is true for brain, heart and liver tissues?

Meningioma affects the meninges, peripheral (at best) to the CNS.

Glioblastoma multiformae affects the glia, very much a part of the CNS.

I'm not at all opposed to eating healthier, or any form of dietary restriction. Most of what we eat today is based on corn, which causes cows to become sick. This isn't an isolated case; many of the animals raised on factory-style farms are sick and wouldn't even have survived - let alone be ambulatory - if it weren't for modern science. It cuts both ways. Animals that become bigger and fatter at an earlier age at the behest of the cattle/chicken/pork/etc industry aren't necessarily better; usually, the price is paid heavily to the tune of unforseen costs.

Sick animals, sick food, sick food chain, sick people.

It's entirely possible that a lifelong habit of poor diet could directly or indirectly cause various cancers. The scientific community in general doesn't really know what gives rise to many cancers, and I know a whole lot less, personally. Especially when it comes to cancers of the brain - an organ we're only just beginning to figure out.

However, it's patently absurd to suggest that someone who's already got the prognosis would benefit more by eschewing modern medicine in favor of dietary changes, like eating more raw greens and fewer red meats.

If it were that simple, I'd have simply force-fed my father a bowl of broccoli and cauliflower, and a glioblastoma wouldn't have eaten his brain away in real-time...

Whoops, didn't mean to post that abstract twice - the one I was examining was pertaining to the toxic effect of sodium thiosulfate on embryo development, but you get the gist.

"Meningioma affects the meninges, peripheral (at best) to the CNS."

Again, not an oncologist, but sometimes these tumors can project themselves into the CNS proper.

Usually not a big deal; apparently, meningioma is one of the more treatable cancers, should one be forced to choose among a variety of tumors.

Still quite a bit better than getting one which eats away at the support cells that maintain your brain...

Meningioma affects the meninges, peripheral (at best) to the CNS.
Glioblastoma multiformae affects the glia, very much a part of the CNS.
I'm not at all opposed to eating healthier, or any form of dietary restriction. Most of what we eat today is based on corn, which causes cows to become sick. This isn't an isolated case; many of the animals raised on factory-style farms are sick and wouldn't even have survived - let alone be ambulatory - if it weren't for modern science. It cuts both ways. Animals that become bigger and fatter at an earlier age at the behest of the cattle/chicken/pork/etc industry aren't necessarily better; usually, the price is paid heavily to the tune of unforseen costs.
Sick animals, sick food, sick food chain, sick people.
It's entirely possible that a lifelong habit of poor diet could directly or indirectly cause various cancers. The scientific community in general doesn't really know what gives rise to many cancers, and I know a whole lot less, personally. Especially when it comes to cancers of the brain - an organ we're only just beginning to figure out.
However, it's patently absurd to suggest that someone who's already got the prognosis would benefit more by eschewing modern medicine in favor of dietary changes, like eating more raw greens and fewer red meats.
If it were that simple, I'd have simply force-fed my father a bowl of broccoli and cauliflower, and a glioblastoma wouldn't have eaten his brain away in real-time...
#87 | Posted by Zarathustra at 2009-09-24 04:29 AM

I'm terrified of going through that with my mom. So sorry for your loss, I don't mean to ignore or question your validity. Eating is a basic precept for existence and it's fairly easy for the medical community to equate obesity with heart, liver and a variety of intestinal ailments, so why not equate the causes of obesity with the type of food metabolized and the system metabolizing them? It seems simple to me, but I'm a fairly simple guy (obviously). "Modern medicine" isn't the end-all of our knowledge and by ignoring what has been acknowledged for thousands of years prior might be folly. Beer gut comes from drinking too much beer - you don't see many people with broccoli gut..

Well, RLR, I agree that modern medicine couldn't possibly be the be-all, end-all.

Science and medicine are human endeavors, and will ultimately suffer from the same imperfections as we humans do; one would expect certain ideas to be favored, or in disrepute, at one time or another. In the times of Galileo, science was only beginning to take a foothold (if that).

Certainly, systematic biases have played their roles in times past; however, I believe that a self-regulating, self-correcting, albeit imperfect system like science has come quite a long way since the days of Roman-Catholic domination.

Currently, science has quite a bit of reason to be self-assured - electricity, the internets, the chairs we're sitting in, etc., to name a few mundane examples - but as much as some may champion this-or-that perspective now, that conclusion is ALWAYS subject to scrutiny in the future.

As a student of psychology/neuroscience, one of the most salient examples to me is how the APA once classified homosexuality as some kind of disorder. Now, based on all kinds of research - psychological and otherwise - we realize that the big, smart, so-called "thought leaders" of yesterday really didn't know what they were talking about - at least in that case. Perhaps they thought they were on to something; personally, I believe they suffered from profound cultural/neurogiological biases which caused them to view homosexuality as some kind of aberration.

Subsequent research has, of course, shown them to be dead wrong.

I try to keep in mind that science never really *proves* anything, as it's nearly impossible to prove a strict causal relationship (philosophical bent thanks to my alma mater); one can only point to very strong correlations which have no counter-example. And, of course, it's relatively much easier to shoot someone else's ideas full of holes :)

Karl Popper would say that good science is that which produces falsifiable hypotheses; that's the most important distinction between science and religion/faith.

Here's something interesting (to me) from a crappy ebook I'm flipping through:

"Case in Point: Ever since mammograms were introduced, the incidence of ductal carcinoma in situ (DCIS), a type of breast cancer, has increased by 328%! At least 200% of this increase is attributed to the harmful radiation of mammograms. Furthermore, mammograms are also thought to help spread existing cancer cells due to the considerable pressure placed on the breast during the procedure."
..
"The human body is composed of 70%-80% waterand water is 89% oxygen by weight. Therefore, oxygen comprises 62% to 71% of the body, and is the body's most abundant and essential element.

Ninety (90%) percent of all our biological energy comes from oxygen. It is the essential element that the human body needs in order to not only survive, but also have optimum levels of energy, function properly and become more productive.

Consider, for instance, that humans can survive for weeks and even months without food, and live for many days without water. But we cannot survive more than a few minutes without oxygen.

It is surprising, therefore, that people find it hard to believe that the very element, which is required by all humans in order to live is also the secret to keeping us disease-free. Medical professionals, in particular, would find the notion of curing virtually all diseases with oxygen rather simplistic, or even lacking merit."

Here's more data from a different ebook on oxygenation technique:

Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT)

Oxygen therapies encompass more than the application of regular oxygen (O2), although regular oxygen can speed and assist healing; especially when used in higher-than-normal concentrations and under pressure, such as used in Hyperbaric Oxygen Chambers. Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT) has been traditionally used for rapid detoxification in acute situations, but it also has shown to be extremely efficacious for new stroke victims. It has been found that almost all of the usual conditions (paralysis, slurred/ no speech, etc.) associated with a stroke can be minimized or eliminated entirely by subjecting the patient to a hyperbaric oxygen treatment within the first 36 hours of a stroke. The quicker the patient can be treated from the onset of the stroke, the better the results. Even cases started a few days or even weeks after a stoke have shown remarkable results. HBOT has also proven helpful in cases involving other forms of brain damage as well.

Singlet Oxygen Therapies

Oxygen atoms can be configured into certain quasi-stable arrangements that will allow a single oxygen atom to be released. This atom is called a singlet oxygen (O1). For therapeutic purposes, single atoms of oxygen can be released from hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) which breaks down to water (H2O) and a singlet oxygen (O1), and also from ozone (O3), which reduces to oxygen (O2) and a singlet oxygen. When a singlet oxygen atom is released within the body, it is highly reactive and will oxidize (reduce or break down) the molecular structure of undesirable and harmful organisms (bacteria, foreign proteins, etc.) and diseased tissue (E.g. cancer cells). This high-energy form of oxygen (O1) possesses a greatly enhanced healing capacity than that exhibited by regular oxygen (O2).

Perhaps metabolizing foods (such as sodium bicarbonate) actually has medically provable results? I'm off to sleep with visions of glia structures dancing in my head. Perhaps tomorrow will come with something more substantial to discuss than terminal binding and vegan mysticism..

Oh, one last thing, blood type may be important to the kind of dietary requirements? 'Night.

"I believe I was the one who called you a shill, and I did apologize for it."

lol

meanwhile the pharma shills (& I'm speakin'well of 'em at all times:>) consider "Eat Right (left?) for your Blood type" to be pure qwackery, Redlightgenie

www.dadamo.com

ps I'm blood type O, of course ~ like Betelg, I presume:>)

3 out of 4

Appear to be the odds that your health will improve by following the right diet for your blood type. The facts are clearcut: In the 6617 individuals who reported their results from following the Blood Type Diet for a period of one month or more, three out of four (71-78%) had significant improvement in a variety of health conditions. Weight loss was the effect most often observed but a number of reports detailed improvements in digestive function, resistance to stress, overall energy and mental clarity.

The percentages (71-78%) of visitors reporting positive results are consistent across all the blood types. Type O (following a higher protein lower-carb diet) appeared as likely to report positive results as Type A (following a lower fat, plant-based diet) or types B and AB (following a more omnivorous diet.)

The results certainly appear to question many of the standardized one size fits all diets advanced by the diet gurus, governments and agribusiness.

Genetic testing and personalized diets are now quite popular and perhaps nutrition science is catching up with The Blood Type Diet. That's O.K. --we're old hands at it. Dr. D'Adamo's work builds upon theory advanced by his father almost a half-century ago

www.dadamo.com

qwack, qwack goes Zat

That's very interesting Bani.

I'm A negative. So I should have a low fat more plant based diet?

Well there goes my butter dish and red meat!! Lol

But thanks for posting that link.

Infact, I'm flagging it newsworthy!

Although if there was a flag for "thanks for making me feel guilty for eating steak flag, I'd use that one!

Here's another phenomenal product that kills fungus in the body well ~ especially if MMS Protocol doesn't get the job done as well as one would like ~ for the taste of chlorine dioxide can get old after a few months:>)

Agrisept-l

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and it's cheap @ $24 a bottle, too, compared to Medical AMA qwackery imho:>)

& welcome to lucid dreaming again, too, folks!

Although if there was a flag for "thanks for making me feel guilty for eating steak flag, I'd use that one!

#98 | Posted by Lisa

I have steak at least once or twice a week..but usually well done now...to kill off the parasites a mite:>)

#100

OMGosh, not me!!!

Medium at most but I prefer medium rare.

Gotta have pink or red in it!!

Lol

My husband who used to profess to being a top grill chef has relinguished that role and wants me to do all the grilling now. Lol

. It's the people who read the BS they post and think it has validity that I'm interested in reaching.
#80 | Posted by jpw at 2009-09-24 02:33 AM

lol good luck with that:>)

mmsnews.org

Just discover Y.E.S. remedy for environmental dis-eases...

works great on other irritants, too, for those here who smoke while defending the Pharms...:>)

Yarrow Environmental Solution

Quitting Tobacco

Without irritation and without gaining weight?

March 9, 2005, by Lydie Alves

Editor's note: This report was translated from the French language by Alison Marie Anderson; used with permission of the author.

How many times have you tried to stop smoking? And how many times have you resumed again? Perhaps only at the request of your companions who finally couldn't bear to be around you, your moodiness, aggressiveness and the irritations that go with quitting. Not to mention that, whether we want it or not, we find ourselves gaining weight on top of it all.

One resumes smoking some time later (for reasons more or less "phony") and with gained weight, not to mention the disapproving glances of others

www.flowersociety.org

So you agree with Susanne Somers' assessment of Patrick Swayze then? If he'd eaten well and forgone chemo he'd have survived?

No, asshole. Once his pancreas went, he had no chance. Radiation therapy only destroyed his immune system. Radiation and chemotherapy have terrible cure records.

BTW they only "poison, cut or radiate" for a reason. If you understood cancer, you'd understand why they use those methods.
#65 | Posted by jpw

All they do is provide relief for the symptom, (effect) and do nothing for the root causes. Worse, they weaken other parts of the body. Cancer survival by mainstream methods depend on how well the rest of the body can adapt. This is insanely stupid!

- W.H.O. vs F.D.A.
- Ron Paul Readies Vax Bill
- We Prepare for Court!

On September 15, 2009, HHS Secretary Sebelius announced to the Health and Education Committee that 4 Swine Flu vaccines were now approved for use in the general public WITHOUT ANY SAFETY TESTING whatsoever. CLICK HERE, www.healthfreedomusa.org to read Dr. Rima's virtual interview with Secretary Sebelius based her unsubstantiated, and downright dishonest, testimony before the House.

FDA's position is illogical, immoral and illegal. That is why Natural Solutions Foundation is on our way to Federal Court to stop this approval from going forward. Our case actually got stronger with Sebelius' announcement since we were about to go into Court for a Temporary Restraining Order (steeper uphill climb), but now we are suing to appeal the approval (strong case, even better chance of victory). We believe we have a very good shot at stopping the shot. Read more here: www.healthfreedomusa.org