Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

Hitler and his chief propaganda minister, Goebbels, were believers in the Big Lie. If you repeat an outrageous lie enough times in enough mediums, many people will begin to accept the lie as truth.

Today, the Republican Party in general, and the far rightwing in particular, seems wedded to the notion that an attractive or shocking lie which appeals to the base is just as newsworthy as any truth. Now granted the GOP is not currently using their lies to justify the rounding up of Jews or the invasion of Poland. (Though clearly the rightwing agenda shoved down America's throat during the so-called war on terror was based almost completely on lies.) But it is shocking just how much contempt the GOP leadership and their many mouthpieces have for being truthful.

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No matter the topic, be it healthcare, immigration, taxes, ACORN, President Obama, Democratic members of Congress, or so forth, the GOP argument is consistently framed in terms of outright falsehoods.

Why isn't there a consistent chorus of outrage at these anti-democratic tactics? Has TV and mass media in general numbed our ability to get angry about something as basic as truth? After being injected with dose after dose of Reality TV and shock TV are we now no longer able to perceive the difference between entertainment (which rarely deserves outrage) and real life public policy debate (where outright lies used to be taboo)? Or has it all become mushed together in our minds, and is all viewed at through the same lens?

Who cares what you have to say. You don't even know how to properly post a blog entry. Done here.

And even more disturbing, whenever someone points out the ongoing nature of rightwing lies, many rightwingers shrug as if to say "who cares?". Very scary times we live in.

Does The Rightwing Care About Truth In The Least?

Only when not in power, same as the Left.

The basic difference between Liberals and Conservatives is Conservatives know when they are lying.


#3 Or they say that the Parties are "all the same".


The news media isn't like in the times of Cronkite, when both sides were reported, but facts were honored.

Now the media just reports both sides and says that there are no such thing as facts.

Corky,
You know the only time protest is permitted is when it isn't your* party being protested.


*The "your" used is a general you and should not be inferred to mean any specific poster. Anyone answering said you with "not me" is admitting to a guilty conscience.

#5 | Posted by mysterytoy

FF


Maybe since moder8 thinks he knows so much he can tell us why ACORN is fighting the courts so they 'do not' have to pay minimum wages and also why ACORN is 'not' unionized.

I thought ACORN was a volunteer organization. NO volunteer organization is required to pay minimum wage.

Am I wrong on this?

What's with all the inane non-news stories that Moder8 keeps putting up? LOL, Moder8 has become quite the troll.

LOD,
I am actually impressed Mod is posting his own thoughts instead of cutting and pasting other's.

LOD,
I am actually impressed Mod is posting his own thoughts instead of cutting and pasting other's.

#11 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-09-21 01:41 PM

Mod is just trolling. Putting one's troll in a headline is an effective means to that end; I'll give him that.

In case none of you rightwing rocket scientists have realized it yet, the DR is really just a glorified chat room. With the big difference being that as a general rule the topic of conversation is suggested by a link to a news article.
Nothing wrong with bringing up a topic, - pretty much any topic, that has been on the mind lately, even if there isn't any link to some news article dealing with the same topic.

The truth is I personally counted over 2 million people.

2,183,466 to be exact.

Scientifically speaking the left lives in a parallel universe.

I don't see this as a troll. It is a blog entry to me.

Yes, it is a very loaded question and I can see where you would see it as a troll though.

In case none of you rightwing rocket scientists have realized it yet, the DR is really just a glorified chat room. With the big difference being that as a general rule the topic of conversation is suggested by a link to a news article.
Nothing wrong with bringing up a topic, - pretty much any topic, that has been on the mind lately, even if there isn't any link to some news article dealing with the same topic.

#13 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-21 01:52 PM

Who said there was anything wrong with throwing up a non-news story? The question was with inane non-news stories. You don't need to be a rocket scientist to have basic reading comprehension skills.

Okay. In my book it is now official. LoD is an idiot. Which segues into the title of this thread. Specifically maybe when rightwingers lie, it sometimes is just a function of their own idiocy.

Okay. In my book it is now official. LoD is an idiot.

#20 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-21 02:23 PM | Reply | Flag: Butt-Hurt

I doubt you even own a book. Reading one would be difficult with your level of comprehension.

Okay. In my book it is now official.

"Green Eggs and Ham" don't count.

"Green Eggs and Ham" don't count.

You might be a redneck if you use "don't" instead of "doesn't".

Just messin'...

"Am I wrong on this?

#9 | Posted by kanrei"


No, you're not. KBM just doesn't know what she's talking about, as usual.

#23 | Posted by taxman at 2009-09-21 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag: FUCKER

Thanks Monte.

I have an ACORN theory I am working on, but I need to collect more evidence before posting it. Right now it is nothing more than a tin foil belief, but I think there is something there. More soon...

I have an ACORN theory I am working on, but I need to collect more evidence before posting it. Right now it is nothing more than a tin foil belief, but I think there is something there. More soon...

#26 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-09-21 02:35 PM

Run by lizard people disguised as humans?

It as to do with Crisco, PNAC, The RIAA, the Teamsters, and MLB. I cannot go into any more details for my own safety.

what a stupidly biased and prejudiced idea for a thread.
its not the republicans who are lieing thier black ass off everytime they open thier chickenshit pussy mouth

its not the republicans who are lieing thier black ass off everytime they open thier chickenshit pussy mouth

Certainly not. "Thier" ass is white, not that that has anything to do with this, of course.

its not the republicans who are lieing thier black ass off everytime they open thier chickenshit pussy mouth

Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-21 02:47 PM |

Of course not as they are not in power anymore. But you would be hard pressed to find truth when they were.


And the color of their asses has little to do outside of your perverted fantasy life.

There are a lot of stupid and gullible people out there.

Don't blame the GOP for taking advantage of them. How would they get votes if they didn't?

"Thier" ass is white, not that that has anything to do with this, of course.

#30 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-09-21 02:49 PM

That's pretty much what Obama said.

Yes, it is, but that's not what I'm hearing from the colorblind right.

It also dawns on me that maybe these threads sans articles bother rightwingers so much because they are so reliant on talking points that the idea of expressing their own original thoughts is an idea completely alien to them. Or, more likely, being rightwingers they don't even have any original thoughts.

Lies simply make right wingers feel better.

Reality doesn't suit rightwingers at all.

the GOP argument is consistently framed in terms of outright falsehoods.
Posted by moder8
I feel your pain - -
some rightwing dude on the TV was tellin' Barak that the fees, penalties, & forced health care premiums were the same as a middle class tax.

Barry made the dude look silly - - he simply changed the subject

"Does The Rightwing Care About Truth In The Least?"

Senate GOP Mailer Suggests Dem Health Care System Will Discriminate By Race

Senate Republicans are mailing out a "survey" insinuating that the president's health care reform agenda includes the creation of a lottery system to determine who gets medical treatment and a quota system that based on race and age.

Written under the vague and non-partisan title of "U.S. Senate Health Care Task Force," the mailing, which includes a fundraising letter, was commissioned by the National Republican Senatorial Committee and passed to the Huffington Post by a Democratic source. It asks recipients to respond to several misleading questions, including:

Are you concerned that health care rationing could lead to:
23. Denial of treatment in cases where the patient's prospects are deemed not good?
24. A "lottery" system of determining who will get priority treatment?
25. A "quota" system which would determine who would determine who would get treatment on the basis of race or age?

The mailer also suggests that the legislative proposals being considered by Congress would give the federal government the power to:

Pick who is "eligible" for certain medical procedures? Pick your doctor for you? Restrict certain medical procedures on the basis of age? Put strict price controls on medicine and drugs? Penalize you for choosing to see a private doctor Seriously undermine private health care insurers who currently serve tens of millions of Americans?
www.huffingtonpost.com

"Does The Rightwing Care About Truth In The Least?"

Obviously not.

Holier-than-thou liberals like yourself look VERY foolish in light of all of B.O.'s lies, Frank's lies, Pilosi's lies, Dodd's lies, etc., etc.

There is no party monopoly on dishonesty.

Check out this AP link and ask yourself why it's so important for libs to demonize citizens, news organizations, and senators for speaking the truth about the lies being perpetrated by this administration.

Then ask yourself why you would DEFEND these actions. I already know that it's due to your lack of intellectual honesty dovetails well with the lack of honesty inherent within the liberal movement.

news.yahoo.com


It also dawns on me that maybe these threads sans articles bother rightwingers so much because they are so reliant on talking points that the idea of expressing their own original thoughts is an idea completely alien to them. Or, more likely, being rightwingers they don't even have any original thoughts.

#35 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-21 03:11 PM

Just curious how many unflattering threads about anything right of center have been posted by you? Are you really going to claim those articles are original thoughts? Or obvious talking points? See Obama and the left have been caught lying on a regular basis. One would think a lawyer like yourself would know a thing or two about lying.

The Rightwing are the only one's who are about the facts.

I am reminded of the a fictional character who said something very true:

Archaeology is the search for fact... not truth. If it's truth you're looking for, Dr. Tyree's philosophy class is right down the hall. ~ Indiana Jones

That insight isn't limited to Archaeology but the 'Rightwing' is the political group that doesn't revel in limitations.

Crispee, regardless of whether or not you believe it, I have never posted a thread sans article based on anything other than my own personal musings and original points. I never have turned to any outside source (such as "talking points)for my individual threads. As mentioned above, it is rightwingers who lack imagination or depth to actually contemplate issues of interest without relying on others to tell them what to think. (Zing! :D)

#42...

I have to admit, I didn't look for a link to this thread. Seeing the Hitler crap made me think it had to be written by some hack. The fact is was your own thought, angers me that I gave you the benefit of the doubt, instead calling you a gutless POS. It also bothers me I give it any legs by retorting.

The biggest laugh about this patheirc piece, is your whining about original thought. Having to use the Hitler analogy to get your point across is real original Moderh8. (ZANG MF)

Libs/dems constantly lie to push their agenda. Just look back on recorded speeches on obama and her cannot even keep the numbers about the uninsured straight. It reminds me of the lies about the spread of AIDs in the 80s to get more govt funds.

Who cares what you have to say. You don't even know how to properly post a blog entry. Done here.

Just too funny.

Talk about having control issues, you mean there is a specific way to post a blog entry.

Seems to me this is an entry and is doing just fine.

"done here"..... did you ever start?

The basic difference between Liberals and Conservatives is Conservatives know when they are lying.

LOL! And this is supposed to be some kind of insult.

substitute any other subject for lying, like "killing"

The biggest laugh about this patheirc piece, is your whining about original thought. Having to use the Hitler analogy to get your point across is real original Moderh8. (ZANG MF)

#43 | Posted by crispee_oc

The dumb fuck does it once a week. And then normally claims to devote all his free time to defending the down trodden. He's nothing more than AmericanUnity minus a Conversion Van.

In real life is it the company/person selling you something or the buyer that is usually the liar?

Who is trying to sell us something now the Democrats/Left or the Republicans/Right?

Buyers beware!

If you repeat an outrageous lie enough times in enough mediums, many people will begin to accept the lie as truth.


You have to catapult the propaganda.

- GW Bush.

"You don't roll out a new product in August."
Andy Card
Bush Chief of Staff

And people give ME shit for my name!

Moder8, if you can make a headline like this and follow it with those 2 Godwin-esque first paragraphs, you might just want to consider another handle for yourself.

Just thinking out loud. Maybe I'll make a thread about it.

Geez. When rightwingers aren't lying they sure do like to whine a lot!

"Moder8, if you can make a headline like this and follow it with those 2 Godwin-esque first paragraphs, you might just want to consider another handle for yourself."

Simply put a "N" and H" in front of the 8 and an "R" after and you have an accurate description.(Modernh8r)


Geez. When rightwingers aren't lying they sure do like to whine a lot!

#52 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-22 10:42 AM |

Another "original thought" H8r?

You never addressed the post pointing out your hypocrisy about the right not having any original thought, when you used the Nazi propoganda analogy. Care to explain how that is considered original thought?

Masturb8 is extremely fitting.

I am starting to think it shoud be Moderb8ter. Seeing as the threads he starts are all his own, and sans any articles. Of course most are demeaning to anyone on the right, and he seems to want to bait some into responding.

I'll bet he cries like a little bitch when the Judge in Municiple Court reminds him he should provide evidence and not just stand there and blubber like a retard.

#56

Ok, I don't see anything wrong with starting a thread on a topic and hoping people join in.

Better than hijackinng a thread which "I" never do!! Lol

I think you're being way to critical of Mod here.

I like having threads about someones opinion that doesn't require an article that depending on which side of the fence you're on will only end up in a "your link is biased" waste of time debate anyway.

And it's a welcome sight to the birther, Palin, who's a bigger liar, who's a racist threads we are flooded with lately.

And I realize what the topic of this thread is but I was arguing your point about starting threads with no article.


There are a lot of stupid and gullible people out there.


Don't blame the GOP for taking advantage of them. How would they get votes if they didn't?

#32 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009


another subject
same old useless argument by someone who doesnt seem to be able to come up with anything else to argue with.


Geez. When rightwingers aren't lying they sure do like to whine a lot!

#52 | Posted by moder8 at 2009


oh really
dems sure whine a lot when its THEM getting treated like they treat republicans...
its getting to where a congressman cant even call out to obama the TRUTH that he is a chickenshit pussy liar.

next thing you know the goddamn democrats will put out a pamplet that tells congressman what they can and cannot say


OOPS!!!!!!!!!!! TOO LATE

The question itself is hypocritical.

Anyone who cares about the truth wouldn't be limiting the question to the "right wing" when asking this question about our politicians and their chief apologists.

#61

And the nonsense begins for the day.

And I realize what the topic of this thread is but I was arguing your point about starting threads with no article.

In this particular case, that is much worse. These are Modeh8ers own opinion of the right. The fact he used a Nazi style propoganda to let those know his feeling about repubs, is gutless and shows no class. Nothing in that analogy comes close to what is happening today.

The fact he foolishly complains about the right not having original thought, and using that Nazi reference makes him look like a hypocrite and proves his worth.

Crisp:

Are you trying to tell me that no republican here has done the same thing???

Most people here are no different.

Republicans called those who disagreed with Bush Un-American, which I greatly took to heart. Now....when THEY disagree with a dem pres, they call themselves "true Patriots".

I love you Crisp, but you are overlooking the bad behacior and propaganda of your very own party.

There is plenty to cry hypocrocy from both sides!!

#86...
Lisa right back at ya...

I am not overlooking the fact both sides do it, or am I minimizing Moderh8's observation of lies being propogated. I take offense to the gutless analogy and immature way of getting his opinion across. As for the same lies being posted here, from what I have seen, only a few can be listed in the authors category. Certainly not the Republican Party in general as claimed.

Lisa, please point out the leftwing hypocrisy. Because I think there is very very little when compared to the rightwing.
Everyone seems to want to say that both sides do it. But that is really not true, at least not proportionally. Almost every criticism by rightwing pundits of President Obama contains lie. I believe this is by design. Hell, Rove and Coulter and so forth practically brag about their ability to frame the debate through provocation. The GOP, and the far rightwing specifically, are advocates and practitioners of the Big Lie. Leftwingers are not.

Sorry... #66 not 86. But I did just watch a Get Smart re-run.

"Leftwingers are not."


The leader of the left wingers has been caught a few times in a lie the last few months. Would it be fair to say all leftwingers are liars? Or only the leader of the Dem. Party?

If you don't think the republicans are the biggest liars on the planet, it is because you simply believe their lies.


If you don't think the republicans are the biggest liars on the planet, it is because you simply believe their lies.

#71 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Did you read that in THe Onion?

61


And the nonsense begins for the day.

#64 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-09-


and the truth shall set you free.


If you don't think the republicans are the biggest liars on the planet, it is because you simply believe their lies.

#71 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob


sure bob...

obama hasnt lied about a lot of things lately..
that aarp endorsement LIE was just a fignewton of our imagination

HOWEVER..
isnt this thread a little tougher than most
I mean we ARE ALL talking about politicians here you know.

so where do they rank...slightly below snake oil salesman and used car dealers?

"And what is Truth?
Is Truth unchanging law?
We both have truths
Are mine the same as yours?"

~JCS

There is a line between putting the best possible face on things, showing things in their best light and just out and out making shiat up.

The right and their media mouthpieces do seem to deal in half truths and untruths significantly more often than their left wing counter parts.

The truth is the rtard base can't handle the truth.

Be Well.

/Coffee is yer friend! Strewth!

Does The Rightwing Care About Truth In The Least?

No.

The truth you believe may not be real - just what you believe to be real.

Are you referring to the big lie that is Obama will create a heath care insurance system that will cover all Americans and will not require an increase in taxes and will not increase the deficit. Like he promised during his campaign for "Commander in Chief/Community Organizer"?

President Obama has promised he will create a health care insurance system that will cover all Americans. He will keep that promise. If you wish to cite any sources whereby he promises that it will not affect the deficit please do so. Otherwise I think it is safe to assume that you are just another rightwing liar.

President Obama has promised he will create a health care insurance system that will cover all Americans. He will keep that promise.


healthdisparities.virginia.edu

www.democraticunderground.com

Neither of your posts credibly rebut the assertion that the national healthcare plan proposed by President Obama will deny coverage to any American. There may be opinions stated by those in opposition. There may be quotes garnered from campaign opponents past. But nothing the President stated was untrue in the least. Every American who wants to be covered will be covered.

"healthdisparities.virginia.ed
u"

Let me be clear it would only be an option for those who don't have insurance." At most, it would be available for only about 5% of the country's population.

Huh? I try to follow this issue as closely as I can, and I've never seen anyone claim only 5% don't have insurance. And their headline...Obama health insurance plan leaves millions uncovered, is talking mainly about illegals, not Americans.

"www.democraticunderground.com
"

Those blog comments are over a year and a half old, and certainly don't address any plan currently circulating through Congress.

Neither of your posts credibly rebut the assertion that the national healthcare plan proposed by President Obama will deny coverage to any American.

that isn't what you said. Not denying coverage isn't the same as providing coverage.

Danforth, I just grabbed those out of the air. I'm not trying to say that healthcare reform won't increase the number of folks who are covered. Moder8 has clarified his position to say that "Every American who wants to be covered will be covered."

I don't agree with that. I think many folks who currently can purchase coverage because they are healthy and can afford it won't just up and buy coverage because of another option presented to them.

unless that gets criminalized.

Moder8, son of whore, here are your requested links:

www.politico.com

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/ 07/obamas-health-care-news- conference/

Go to hell you racist Moder8.

#86

That was way over the line.

Argue the point but to drag in and insult someones mother shows a lack of class and intelligence.

let me see if I understand this:

Calling someone a "rightwing liar" because the oppose increasing taxes for a program that the CBO has stated will increase the deficit by 2 trillion" is ok.

But calling someone a 'son of a whore' is not?

still waiting for the lying Moder8 to respond to the posted facts.

Moder8 is a racist lying fool.

It's a good thing we have Lisa here to come and flag posts on behalf of folks like Moder8 who hurl huge insults at others constantly.

Keep up the good work Lisa. Just remember, anytime you cross of those guys, they will kick your pro-life ass to the curb in a NY second.

One of the major differences between you and me Eberly, is that I don't care what side of the political fence someone is on....wrong is wrong.

Too bad you haven't learned that at your age yet!!

Lisa, firstly, I don't believe leftwinger would ever "kick your pro-life ass to the curb" as certain bitter angry rightwingers claim. In fact, most of us would always have your back.

As for Slickster Willy, he is exactly the type of rightwing liar I make reference to in this thread. I'm not surprised that he responds with bile. It is in his nature to lie and distort. Fact is, nothing he posts controverts the fact that as promised, President Obama's healthcare plan will provide coverage to every American who wants it.

I don't care what side of the political fence someone is on....


and


I don't believe leftwinger would ever "kick your pro-life ass to the curb"

what is scary is that these lunatics actually believe this tripe about themselves.

Well, most crazy people think they are fine.

"Well, most crazy people think they are fine."

Which explains you arrogance.

Your own words fit you to a T!

Lisa, come on. You believe you don't care about which side of the fence folks are on when they post stuff that is "over the line"?

that isn't true and your posting history proves that.

and Moder8 WILL throw you under the bus 5 seconds after you ever post something along the lines of "abortion is wrong, abortion kills, unborn babies have rights....."

you have to be totally crazy to not accept that.

You are a fool, Eberly.

My history proves no such thing.

But I forget...you know everything.

Nope...nothing wrong with you is there???

My history proves no such thing.


fine. forget history then. I'll keep count going forward.

"Well, most crazy people think they are fine."

"I'm actually glad that I am mentally ill because I have noticed that a lot of mentally ill people are Christians."
www.rr-bb.com

www.drudge.com

www.drudge.com

www.drudge.com

Just a quick 5 minute search of my posting history shows you wrong Eberly.

All either criticizing democrats or defending republicans.

Those posts were just within the past two days. I know there are more.

Are you gonna man up and admit you were wrong, Eberly???

So the racist thing didn't work--so just call everyone who disagrees liars.

Got it...

Lisa, when in the history of the DR has Eberly EVER manned up and admitted he was wrong?


Lisa, when in the history of the DR has Eberly EVER manned up and admitted he was wrong?

#104 | Posted by moder8

The time he told me you weren't as fucking worthless as I claimed. He apologized right after your next post.

Poor Wisgod. Reduced to a troll-like internet existence. When not telling lies, throwing insults. When not throwing insults, playing wingman for some fellow lying righwinger. Whatever.

Can't take it, crybaby? Go start a new thread about what a bully I am. It is your M.O.

Sober minded conservatives and sober minded liberals know and understand each other. They do not agree with the other in terms of the future of our country, or what role the government should play in that future. It is a struggle of compromise that has been with our country since its founding.

Each side whips others who think similarly into a frenzy over things that do not matter, and attack the other side in an effort to stir an emotional base of soldiers in an effort to pass their respective agendas.

Moder8 is one such soldier. One who believes the kool aid that rightwingers don't care about the truth, or have a vision of the future of our country. That is all you'll ever be Moder8, a confused pawn in a liberal's game.

drink some more kool aid.

Moder8 you lying SOB. Obama has changed his stance since racist fools like you voted for him at a 93% rate. look at the links I posted in #88. Until then shut your lying babbling fat lips.

Rightwing ability to engage an issue without resorting to trolling and insults on display. LOL

"Who cares what you have to say."
#2 | Posted by member2586

"I doubt you even own a book. Reading one would be difficult with your level of comprehension."
#21 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

"I already know that it's due to your lack of intellectual honesty dovetails well with the lack of honesty inherent within the liberal movement."
#39 | Posted by Ari

"The fact is was your own thought, angers me that I gave you the benefit of the doubt, instead calling you a gutless POS."
#43 | Posted by crispee_oc

"The dumb fuck does it once a week. And then normally claims to devote all his free time to defending the down trodden. He's nothing more than AmericanUnity minus a Conversion Van."
#47 | Posted by wisgod

"I'll bet he cries like a little bitch when the Judge in Municiple Court reminds him he should provide evidence and not just stand there and blubber like a retard."
#57 | Posted by wisgod

"Tell me this you lying leftist son of a whore. This is yet another lie that is being pushed by racist sons of bitch like you."
#86 | Posted by slicksterWilly

"Moder8 is a racist lying fool."
#91 | Posted by slicksterWilly

"what is scary is that these lunatics actually believe this tripe about themselves.Well, most crazy people think they are fine."
#95 | Posted by eberly

Two countries--the future is clear.

#86

That was way over the line.

Argue the point but to drag in and insult someones mother shows a lack of class and intelligence.

#89 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-09-22 05:09 PM | Reply | Flag


Lisa, the headline and the first 2 paragraphs started this whole thing way out of line. It started with an insult so any other insult is fair game. From Mr Fair.


Two countries--the future is clear.

Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-23 02:11 AM | Reply


Will Your Country have All Rights Come from the Government?? Just curious.

Will Your Country have All Rights Come from the Government?? Just curious.

#113 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-09-23 02:16 AM | Reply | Flag

All rights come from the government no matter what country you live in. That's why wars are fought. Why should we have fought Germany if all our rights came from the people? What difference would it make which govenment was in place if such a concept were true?

God why am I so stoopid. I knew I should have never asked that question. Forget I even asked Buffalo Bob. Geesh. Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Larry

It started with an insult so any other insult is fair game. From Mr Fair.

#112 | Posted by MrFair at 2009-09-23 02:14 AM | Reply | Flag

Yes, it is always best to show you are no better than your opponent. That's why republicans are for the same torture tactics we condemned in WWII.

Forget I even asked Buffalo Bob. Geesh. Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Larry

#115 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-09-23 02:27 AM | Reply | Flag

Too late. You seem to act like you have superior logic without showing any such logic. One can only assume you lack a coherent response. In a debate, my point would stand, and you would lose.

Let's put it this way. If we are a Government Of the People By the people and For the people. How can a people give more rights to their own people when they are supposed to be all equal. It's crazy talk to even suggest that All Rights Come from The Government. At least in this Country. If You bring up those rights taken away from the populace all I gotta say on that is we deserve to have those rights stripped from us if we are too stupid and too fucking lazy to do our part and fight back against it.

Larry

How can a people give more rights to their own people when they are supposed to be all equal.

We are not all treated equal. Blacks were noticeably denied rights for over a hundred years after they were declared citizens of the United States---why?--because the government did not support their equality. They couldn't vote--or sit in the same restaurant as whites. Where were their rights? I'll tell you---they were held by the government.

Its crazy talk to even suggest that All Rights Come from The Government.

It is ludicrous to suggest they come from anyplace else.

At least in this Country.

Ummm yeah---what makes this country different from any other country? The government maybe? The rights given by the government maybe?

If You bring up those rights taken away from the populace all I gotta say on that is we deserve to have those rights stripped from us if we are too stupid and too fucking lazy to do our part and fight back against it.

Fight who for what? According to you, the government doesn't give rights. If they don't give rights--how can they possible take them away? We would just get more rights from where we got those other rights in the first place. BTW---where do you propose our rights come from? Try not to quote a government document in your answer.


Larry

#118 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-09-23 03:36 AM | Reply | Flag

Where were their rights? I'll tell you---they were held by the government.

No, the people of the government prevented the government from exercising those rights.

The government didn't do this, the people did.

Useless argument, one is an perfect ideal and the other is to show how we haven't achieve that ideal.

No, the people of the government prevented the government from exercising those rights.

The people of the government are the government.

The government didn't do this, the people did.

What people are you talking about? The blacks? The blacks kept themselves from voting and having equal access to public facilities? Then the blacks simply decided they wanted to vote and have access--is that what you are saying?

Or the people in general kept blacks from voting and having equal access to public facilities? Then the people simply decided they wanted blacks to vote and have access--is that what you are saying? You really think that makes any sense?

#120 | Posted by moneywar at 2009-09-23 04:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

They cannot win on the issues. It's as simple as that. They have to make up lies, hyperpole and mis-leading statements because on the surface, who can really argue against healthcare for all.

After all if not healthcare believe me the same if not more money will be funneled to the military industrial complex. Better it go to the people.

#110 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-22 10:56 PM | Reply | Flag:Attention whore

#110...

I notice all those insults were original thoughts and not talking points. Something you claimed the right was incapable of doing, in the silly thread you started. Which I might add was soooo original that you needed to use Hitler and the Polish invasion? Oh yeah you said it wasn't as bad as rounding up the Jews. Just a step below h8ter? Pathetic you couldn't use another reference to get your worthless opinion (talking point) across. A little hypocrisy there H8?

Some rightwingers complain that the title of this thread is insulting. Maybe. But it is the truth. That's the point. Rightwingers have engaged in wholesale lying as a strategy to oppose the Democratic agenda. It is an insult, - to the American people. Sometimes the truth hurts. Doesn't mean it should remain unstated.


President Obama has promised he will create a health care insurance system that will cover all Americans. He will keep that promise. If you wish to cite any sources whereby he promises that it will not affect the deficit please do so. Otherwise I think it is safe to assume that you are just another rightwing liar.

#81 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-

well as none of the plans covers 100% of the people/

that first one is wrong and on page 29 of the baucas bill the words 'excise tax' are used. you can bullshit all you want about the word excise but its a tax and NOW
just yesterday the CBO has more bad news for barry..
all along barry has said that if you like what you have you can keep it
the cbo said in a nicer way....MAYBE wont be able to and obamas a fuckin liar


Some rightwingers complain that the title of this thread is insulting. Maybe. But it is the truth. That's the point. Rightwingers have engaged in wholesale lying as a strategy to oppose the Democratic agenda. It is an insult, - to the American people. Sometimes the truth hurts. Doesn't mean it should remain unstated.

#126 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-23


I hope you are feeling better since you apparently have been in a coma the past 8 months or so.

obama has lied over and over and over again.

from the aarp being on board to people being able to keep the insurance they have if they want to..

but dont let those little facts get in the way of your bias and prjudice

obama has lied over and over and over again.

No. you just believe the people who tell you he has lied.

from the aarp being on board to people being able to keep the insurance they have if they want to..

The AARP is run by idiots who supported Bush in 2004. Who cares. How about a link to where you can't keep your current insurance?

but dont let those little facts get in the way of your bias and prjudice

Let's see your facts---why don't you link up when you claim to be telling facts?

#128 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-23 11:27 AM | Reply | Flag

bullshit bob

I heard him myslef tell us that aarp was on board
and that was a fuckin lie

I heard him say he was not in favor of single payer followed by a clip saying that he was but it would take up to ten years

he says you wont lose your coverage and EVERYONE knows thats a fuckin lie if you employer decides to pay the fine which is lower

these are facts that have been proven here over and over again...you are just too biased and partisan to admit it.

the amount that families will have to pay on CAP AND CRAP was lied about for months....

illegals not covered..BULLSHIT LIE because we know his real agenda is to HAVE NO ILLEGALS and open the border

abortion not covered...ANYONE who has read more than penthoust knows that the courts have said that something like that NOT actually denied can happen which is why DEMS voted down amendment after amendment to CHECK citizenship and speciically deny abortion..

keep tring.

I heard him myslef tell us that aarp was on board and that was a fuckin lie

I'm sure he said it, but I doubt it was a lie. A lie so easily caught would be foolish to tell. It is more likely to have been poor communication with his staff. If you weren't so full of hate for our President, you would have realized the most likely scenario. Would you be saying the same thing about Bush, if he had made the statement?

I heard him say he was not in favor of single payer followed by a clip saying that he was but it would take up to ten years

I think he was always in favor of single payer, and I'm disappointed he wimped out. But this "lie" hurts no one, and changes nothing about the bill. Again, your hate seems to have tinged your perception.

he says you wont lose your coverage and EVERYONE knows thats a fuckin lie if you employer decides to pay the fine which is lower

Think about that for a second. If your employer was going to cancel your insurance--why not do it now, and save the money of the fine? Your hatred has clouded your thought process.

these are facts that have been proven here over and over again...you are just too biased and partisan to admit it.

I believe I have admitted when he misspoke, and put it into a proper perspective. If Bush had said the same things, I would have cut him some slack also. Bush was in office when you and I were on this blog much longer than Obama has been. I called Bush a liar, but not on such petty subjects. The most serious case on Obama so far is his "lie" on AARP, and it has zero effect on anyone. Not like lying about WMDs.

the amount that families will have to pay on CAP AND CRAP was lied about for months....

No one has paid anything yet. You are crying before you are hurt. Wait till the bills come and then make your point.

illegals not covered..BULLSHIT LIE because we know his real agenda is to HAVE NO ILLEGALS and open the border

I heard him say that--again, you have to wait for results before you call it a lie. How many illegals have been given medical under Obamas plan so far? Answer--zero--when that number changes, you will have a point. I would suggest that sine Mexico has Universal Health Care, that we send the bill to the Mexican government.

abortion not covered...ANYONE who has read more than penthoust knows that the courts have said that something like that NOT actually denied can happen which is why DEMS voted down amendment after amendment to CHECK citizenship and speciically deny abortion..

I hope that was a lie, but again, something so easily checked could hardly be called a lie. It is more like he misspoke. Why would he lie when such a thing could be so easily checked. I give him credit for trying his best, and being as honest as he can. I wouldn't want someone raising a child that didn't want one. That is a big problem we have no with the crime rate in many big cities. Peer pressure and religion keeps many poor women from aborting who have no interest, capability, or finances to raise a child. Too many people think there is a child in the womb. In most abortion, the major organs haven't even developed.

keep tring.

You too.

;-)

#130 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-23 12:25 PM | Reply | Flag

Just a quick 5 minute search of my posting history shows you wrong Eberly.


All either criticizing democrats or defending republicans.


you stupid bitch. I wasn't talking about politicians. I was referring to the POSTERS ON THIS BLOG.

you illustrate your stupidity with every post.

It started with an insult so any other insult is fair game. From Mr Fair.

#112 | Posted by MrFair at 2009-09-23 02:14 AM | Reply | Flag

Yes, it is always best to show you are no better than your opponent. That's why republicans are for the same torture tactics we condemned in WWII.

#116 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-23 02:28 AM | Reply | Flag:


See that? You guys just can't help yourselves going all extreme WW-II ! I'm talking about dishonesty as practiced by Moder8 (boy is he poorly named) and you're talking WW2 torture???

Literally LOL.

Some rightwingers complain that the title of this thread is insulting. Maybe. But it is the truth. That's the point. Rightwingers have engaged in wholesale lying as a strategy to oppose the Democratic agenda. It is an insult, - to the American people. Sometimes the truth hurts. Doesn't mean it should remain unstated.

#126 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-23 10:45 AM | Reply | Flag


It is insulting in multiple ways, one of which is your breathless rush to prove Godwin's Law, right out of the chutes - not even any foreplay! Yes insulting but also a little sad and embarrassing for you "Moder8".

135 posts into the thread and rightwingers still don't get it. Actually I believe they do get it but because of the nature of the truth, they seek to cast aspersions on leftwingers in the hopes that they will dilute the truth. So in other words, once again rightwingers are lying, only this time the lies have to do with the fact that they have been revealed to be such liars. Wow. It is getting almost convoluted in terms of iterations of rightwing lies.

"Obama and the left have been caught lying on a regular basis."

Crispy should put up or shut up. I don't know of a lie by Obama or "the left," and doubt very much that Crispy does either. Crispy deflects, as is "the right's" wont, the unassailable fact that everything that comes out of birther/anti-health/ doctrinaire wing nut mouths is fictitious. And Crispy knows it. herm

See that? You guys just can't help yourselves going all extreme WW-II ! I'm talking about dishonesty as practiced by Moder8 (boy is he poorly named) and you're talking WW2 torture???

Literally LOL.

#131 | Posted by MrFair at 2009-09-23 02:05 PM | Reply | Flag:


Strange---I didn't see dishonesty as practiced by moder8 anywhere in your post. I saw you saying that if someone throws out an insult--then all insults are fair.

#135 Pay attention Bob. Go read the headline and the "story" again and then talk to me about honesty vs the alternative. The main insult is the dishonesty oozing from the opening lines. Part and parcel of each other.

And whatever you might think I was doing, it hardly equates to justifying WW2 torture methods. Some people might accuse you of being a drama queen.

135 posts into the thread and rightwingers still don't get it. Actually I believe they do get it but because of the nature of the truth, they seek to cast aspersions on leftwingers in the hopes that they will dilute the truth. So in other words, once again rightwingers are lying, only this time the lies have to do with the fact that they have been revealed to be such liars. Wow. It is getting almost convoluted in terms of iterations of rightwing lies.

#133 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-23 02:26 PM | Reply | Flag:


M8 - the whole thing really IS getting convoluted because it was based on just your personal take on whether "rightwingers" "care" about "truth". The whole thread is flawed from the beginning - it's like trying to force a Special Olmpics champ to win in the real Olympics. You probably have some vaild criticisms of your opponents but the whole thread would be better if you had found an original angle.

BTW Moder8, I seem to recall that you really were pretty moderate when you first came in here but it seems you have become just another lefty Sore Winner after the election. (Scratching my head.)

And whatever you might think I was doing, it hardly equates to justifying WW2 torture methods. Some people might accuse you of being a drama queen.

#136 | Posted by MrFair at 2009-09-24 04:09 AM | Reply | Flag

The analogy was very accurate considering your post. Some people might accuse you of being a liar.

Are right wingers more likely to lie deliberately to achieve their political agenda than Dems?

Do right wingers seems to justify their lies by rationalising that it serves some greater good like maybe their twsited version of "God's Law"?

The answer to both questions is...

"No shit, Sherlock!

Wot gave ya yer first clue?

The secret Muslim crap?
The Secret Kenyan nonsense?
The Communist fear-mongering?
"Pals around with Terrorists"?
Them Teabagger's balls?
Faux News?

This truth is fairly obvious to anyone who would look at the evidence fairly.

Be Well.

Some people might accuse you of being a liar.

#138 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-24 04:51 AM | Reply | Flag


Touche Bob. Good retort. But there should be something like a Godwin's for the word "liar" around here. It is abused to the point of near-meaninglessness.

This truth is fairly obvious to anyone who would look at the evidence fairly.

Be Well.

#139 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-09-24 06:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

Spud I agree with you but it has nothing to do with the inflammatory shit this guy turned into a thread.

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