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Bill O'Reilly, who used to call public option "socialism", now says that Americans should put ideology aside if the government can do a good job providing cheaper health insurance as an option. "I want, not for personally for me, but for working Americans, to have a option, that if they don't like their health insurance, if it's too expensive, they can't afford it, if the government can cobble together a cheaper insurance policy that gives the same benefits, I see that as a plus for the folks," he said.

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I don't watch the guy but I heard them talking about this on the radio. What's up with BillO???
Is he serious about the public option???
He is going to catch hell from Fox if he is, IMHO.
If he is serious he has earned a little respect for putting the welfare of regular folks ahead of fat cats.

"Is he serious about the public option???"

My guess is that he believes that it will start out as a money loser, so if he endorses it now, and his prediction turns out right, it will kill any future reform that might expand on it.

He must think they mean a pubic option.

bill thinks its OK to take money from us to give to the lazy. There isn't any way he can believe the government can run it right.

I won't watch Faux just to find out, but I do await the other shoe's dropping.

The right's paranoid anti-health care hysteria may be financed by PR firms working for corporate HMOs, but its real, deep-down underlying reason is racism, as even Jimmy Carter now concedes, and O'Lielly changing a few cosmetic stripes will not alter that great American truth. herm

I heard him say this last night.. it's not as simple as "Oreilly supports public option.." there are a lot of "if's" in there..

What I heard him say was that he supports the government getting involved to increase competition, and one idea was making it easier for Insurance Companies to compete across state lines.. that's something that many of us in the NFIB small business community have been asking for years, and Bush proposed and congress shot down.

I know a headline is a headline.. but..

I only want to know half of the news. werm

o'reilly is a dick

but i've seen him be logical at times.

about this.

also about global warming.

oh and ed whatever from the ed show on msnbc

also a dick

"I only want to know half of the news. werm"

Maybe. I watch MSNBC "religiously" and get the half that I do want. herm

Then it must be very very bad.

I watched Bill debate an atheist woman a decade or so ago. She was smart and to the point. Bill interrupted frequently and made no sense whatsoever. I never tuned him in again except for a laugh when the Daily Show plays an old tape of him ranting because his teleprompter wasn't working. Bill is an arrogant ignorant ass.

O'Reilly has not altogether lost his objectivity and realizes that if you want to advocate opposing views then you don't do it 100% of the time because that way you lose all credibility. Nobody is right or wrong all the time whatever FOX and talk radio would have you believe.

That is so obvious that you'd think it would be unnecesaary to say so except that large segments of the right seem totally unaware of the effect of their disagreeable foolishnesss. Do they seriously expect to get a majority of people to vote for them when they behave like a pack of hyenas day after day after day? Seems they have totally lost sight of the function of an opposition in a modern democracy.

Disagreeing with Bill O'Reilly is ageism.

Seems they have totally lost sight of the function of an opposition in a modern democracy.

#12 | Posted by brock

More than just that-after the last 2 elections-they just plain "lost it".......their brains have been pudding-and have had diarrhea of the mouth ever since.

Check the Archives and see how they were talking about how TERRIBLE a President he was-even before he took Office.

Disagreeing with Bill O'Reilly is ageism.

#13 | Posted by HulkHogan

No-disagreeing with O'Liely is Patriotic-and Holy-and generally closer to the truth than any of his so called-"fans" EVER get.

If the plan is realilistic about cost, and how the cost is covered, and not overloading the system, then sure.

So far all I've heard is that evil rich people put into giant lemon squezzers to extract their "fair" share of the cost, and that the existing supply of doctors will be able to offer a vastly expanded supply of medicine without needing one additional man hour, almsot like magic.....

...but its real, deep-down underlying reason is racism...
#5 | Posted by herm

...I watch MSNBC "religiously" and get the half that I do want. herm
#10 | Posted by herm at 2009-09-18 02:49 PM | Reply | Flag: been hittin' the kool-aide just a little too much lately

I watched Bill debate an atheist woman a decade or so ago

I never tuned him in again. Bill is an arrogant ignorant ass.

#11 | Posted by nutcase at n

wow, u sure have an opinion on someone you haven't watched in 'a decade or so'. that's reasonable. i too judge people by 20 sec clips of them 20 years prior to now. it makes total sense.

-the left.

or even judge politicians for one or two quips made.... except when its biden...

they behave like a pack of hyenas day after day after day

-brock

their brains have been pudding-and have had diarrhea of the mouth ever since.

-frank

'owe owe and when they criticize the president they are being racists!!'

you guys say some stupid shit i swear.

Check the Archives and see how they were talking about how TERRIBLE a President he was-even before he took Office.

#14 | Posted by frankf55

well to be fair, back then we didn't know he was going to dismiss all the promises he made to the idiot neo libs.

"bill thinks its OK to take money from us to give to the lazy.

#4 | Posted by Sniper"


I got mine, fuck the poor.

Sniper


(What would Jesus think?)

"bill thinks its OK to take money from us to give to the lazy"

Well, he supported the Bush tax cuts, where wages for sweat-of-the-brow labor can be taxed at more than double the rate of dividends....

No-disagreeing with O'Liely is Patriotic-and Holy-and generally closer to the truth than any of his so called-"fans" EVER get.

#15 | Posted by frankf55

so you don't support a public option? because after all, disagreeing with him is generally closer to the truth, right?

jeeze do you get any more stupid?

Bill has gotten more moderate with age. Supports civil unions, anti-death penalty, public option and believes global warming. He might as well join CNN. I think it would fit him better.

When I saw the header I thought "did Danni pull this from the Onion?".

I have to wonder if O'reilly isn't trying to stir the pot a little with that statement.

#23 | Posted by Yodar013 at 2009-09-18 03:34 PM | Reply | Flag:Can't recognize cynicism-or sarcasm.

If I wanted any shit from you-I'd squeeze it out of your head.
Go nip at someone else's ankles, troll.

I'm glad someone traditionally from the right has finally decided to quit yelling about death panels and really start discussing what the public option can do. The only way to control the spiraling costs of healthcare in the US is to have a competitor that can offer insurance for a lower price. (actually, you can increase the supply of doctors as well, but try getting med schools who have a monopoly on the Dr. supply to allow that.) Additionally, there are a huge number of Americans that either have pre-existing conditions or cannot qualify for insurance any other way -- these are the folks that would benefit from a public option.

I agree with O'Reilly - if the public plan can insure more people at a cheaper rate and provide benefits to those that don't have healthcare due to existing conditions, being laid off, etc, I say go for it. I only hope Obama doesn't decide to "reform" healthcare without including this important provision.

Oh, and this is a post from someone else who is "traditionally from the right".

In related news, a singularity has formed above the Fox News studios and the universe has begun to fold in on itself.

"bill thinks its OK to take money from us to give to the lazy.
#4 | Posted by Sniper"

Actually, to paint the 30M Americans (see, I even took out the illegals) as "lazy" is assinine. Are the elderly "lazy" because the government funds their programs by taking Social Security and Medicare taxes out of your check?

And since healthcare costs are projected to explode in the next several decades, the government will have no option but to increase it's Medicare witholding UNLESS something is done to reform healthcare. The public option is one of the few policies proposed that will actually attempt to control costs.

"When I saw the header I thought "did Danni pull this from the Onion?"."

So did I. I bet a few extra folks will tune him in to find out though. The guy knows how to get ratings, that's for sure.

"And since healthcare costs are projected to explode in the next several decades, the government will have no option but to increase it's Medicare witholding UNLESS something is done to reform healthcare."

Why not let all of us buy into Medicare. Our premiums would replace the tax increase. Hell, do away with the Medicare tax and let us pay for the whole thing through premiums with some participation from employers. Why reinvent the wheel with a "public option"?

Danni is right. The system is already in place just expand it.

Danni is right. The system is already in place just expand it.

DP hmm sorry

"'owe owe and when they criticize the president they are being racists!!'

you guys say some stupid shit i swear."

Except that neither Frank nor I said that. That's the problem with much of the right these days, they simply spout shit because they ignore everything that doesn't fit the conclusions that their bitterness toward the world as it is has led them to. How else do you explain the birthers, deathers and tea-partiers and the red-faced Joe Wilson simply incapable of controlling himself in a formal setting?

If I wanted any shit from you-I'd squeeze it out of your head.

#26 | Posted by frankf55

its ok, i'll shit on you for free...

tough guy frank lol.

lol brock, but you did say some equally stupid things, like: they behave like a pack of hyenas day after day after day?

is that little piece of brilliance not on par with the race baiting libs are doing now?

So let me understand... Liberals persuaded a leader in the conservative movement to change his mind and agree with them... and they're still pissed off? Seriously... what's with all the name calling? You might actually win the debate if you stopped calling people "retards".

That's the problem with much of the right these days, they simply spout shit because they ignore everything that doesn't fit the conclusions that their bitterness toward the world as it is has led them to.

-brock

another piece of amazing logic.

and btw, i never said i was right or left, i like to point out the stupid comments coming from both sides. owe and are you saying that liberals are not race baiting recently? really?

i was out in the lower east side the other day and some how this girl brings up iraq. she goes: 'invading iraq was pointless'. i responded: 'well, in a way, it was done in order to control global oil prices, specifically europe's...

she responds: 'owe so you're republican'. with a nasty look.

i almost died of laughter, i love it how if you offer some new information regarding foreign policy to any young neo lib, they assume you are republican. talk about party insecurity jeeze!

this is quite the conundrum, it seems difficult for some to be objective and judge people by who they are etc... and not what the huffington post told them to think...

i can almost feel the enlightenment..

Why not let all of us buy into Medicare.
#31 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-18 03:57 PM | Reply | Flag

I've thought that as well. From what I can tell, the public option will negotiate fee rates the exact same way as Medicaid/care (so doctors will get paid the same). Plus we wouldn't have to create an entire new bureaucracy for the public option. Maybe Obama feels there needs to be more reform? I don't know. There might also be an issue with funding, as Medicaid is partially funded by the states and most states these days are pretty much broke. The feds would have to assume a much higher % of the costs if the non-poor were allowed to buy into the system.

If Obama does get the public option passed, I hope to see Medicaid absorbed by the new plan, as the public option has provisions that would cover those traditionally covered by Medicaid anyways. This would theoretically cut costs by covering more people while only having the 1 bureaucracy rather than 2.

and don't get me wrong, for every one of those people on the left there is equally if not double the number on the uber-religious right getting their 'thoughts' from rush and hannity. i just gave up on the religious fanatics awhile ago...

they were trained to from the get go to take orders. the left never was but often shows the same lack of objectivism.

If they were to take over Medicaid many states could balance their budgets.

the entire 'overhaul' of our medical system needs to happen slowly and carefully. that's been my only worry this whole time. clearly things need to change, but it is safer if they happen slowly and effectively. the gov is too big and healthcare is too big, changes need to be gradual. start with de-regulating the state lines for instance. make little tweaks here and there, expand on the ones that work and stop the ones that don't. thats the only logical and safe way to do it.

my friend in medical school had an interesting opinion on it a year ago during the 'beginning'. he said no way will there be total overhaul/gov control. the healthcare industry lobbies just as much if not more as the tobacco industry. the latter kills people and the gov can barely regulate them. thought that was interesting. maybe not.

and i love the switcheroo done with illegals! way to sneak that one in there BO!

what a liar. at least this time we have an articulate liar right guys!

"e entire 'overhaul' of our medical system needs to happen slowly and carefully."

Only problem with that idea is that chances are the Democrats will not hold both houses and the presidency long enough and as soon as the Republican gain back control they will undo any reforms we manage to make. They had many years of power and they did nothing except to run up the debt on purpose to carry out their plan to "starve the beast" and prevent the Democrats from changing anything if and when we ever got power. They did a pretty good job of it too, I mean a huge tax cut, two wars and a Medicare Drug bill with a 300 Billion giveaway to Big Pharma....now they are trying to "sell" the idea that they are opposed to debt when they created the debt in the first place.

Anyone figure out who TinyElvis is yet?

danni, yes but lets not pretend the democrats are focusing on ways to balance our budget.

the idea behind doing reforms slowly and carefully is that they will be good reforms. ie, people on both sides will be happy with the progress and changes being made. that way party lines don't matter, you have the will and support of the people and politicians, dem or republican, will not be able to undo the progress. if we jump the gun and overhaul everything now while dems are in control, then republicans will be that much more apt to want to roll these changes back, and they'll gain votes because so many will be upset with these rushed changes. but if the changes are done slowly and carefully, dems will keep control because people will be happy with the changes and won't see a need to vote out the progressive party in control.

i dont' know, it might be too idealistic to think that we can make progress/change that everyone can agree with and appreciate. but that's kinda what BO was running on and i believed him. i still do, even more so when he pisses off the extreme left with some smart pointed decisions he's made.

i can't read one sentence into elvis' rant without a headache.

although it did remind me of this awesome scribble left on a bathroom wall:

For a good time, call sheniqua.

na fo fo - fo fa na na.

beer craft week in nyc! if u live here and enjoy the finest brews from around the world, you should check it out.

That has to be a text converter. Genius!

Bill O promoting socialism, Glen beck crying like a sensitive gay guy, Sean Hannity nearly a mainstream journalist these days, the lefties must be so frustrated, don't know who to hate!

No worries - we know who to laugh at: you, and the three douchebags you just described.

Not according to Bill himself about 10 minutes ago.

Sorry Alinsky fans.

The angry and loony fringe have become the public face of the right. The reasonable and rational part of the GOP seems powerless to stop them.

If the loonies have any agenda other than saying and doing crazy shit in order to piss off "libruls" then they're hiding it well. It must be fun and provide a lot of emotional satisfaction to them when they succeed in that. They don't seem to want anything else except maybe to alleviate a vague, unfocused angst brought on by the world not being the way they want it to be.

If you want to change the world you have to convince others to go along with you, not the ones who already think like you do and are out there too doing other kinds of crazy shit. Disrupting town halls, bloviating on TV and radio and generally being a pain in the ass may piss of "libruls" but, newsflash, it also pisses off independents. You know, those people whose votes determine the outcome of national and statewide elections.

Rove was forever bragging that he was going to fashion a "permanent Republican majority" because "he had the math" or some delusional fantasy or other. A longish term Republican minority looks much more likely now and guess who will be to blame. Hint: it won't be the "libruls".

Crack Pots and Psychos Lead the Way!!!

Throughout history crack pots and evil men have enjoyed wide popularity and enormous public power! So poke yourself in the eye with a sharp stick because you'll probably enjoy it -especially if some greedy,charismatic psycho claims it's "Patriotic"!!!

"Not according to Bill himself about 10 minutes ago."

Thanks for the update. NO surprise here. The man's incapable of empathy.

didn't listen to him in the past and don't care about what comes out of his pie hole now.

if the government can do a good job providing cheaper health insurance as an option. The key word is IF. We all know that isn't the case.

if the government can do a good job providing cheaper health insurance as an option. The key word is IF. We all know that isn't the case.

#63 | Posted by bph320 at 2009-09-18 11:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

They sure fucked up with the roads you drive on and the military you patriotically praise (from a safe distance, of course).

"Sean Hannity nearly a mainstream journalist these days..."

Wasn't that the same guy who was so appalled that Obama called insurance bigwigs "evil", when what Obama had actually said was they "aren't evil"?!?

it's gonna happen regardless, so why not jump on board? (not that i would, i'm still holding out for some midnight post-it note on the bill enacting a single-payer system; but i won't hold my breath)

If the private system is so much better then the public option then what are they worried about. It's just like the post office. We have choices and UPS, Fedex and DHL are all still operating quite profitably and they don't handle billions of dollas of junk mail. What the heck, the government could pay for the plan just by selling ad space on the back of the medical card for the private carriers.

*** Bill O'Reilly Supports Public Option ***

.......I must still be sleeping and having a weird dream.......

......must roll over......

Bill said the article is wrong.

OReilly has as much voting power as the rest of us, He just has a bigger mouth. Who cares about his opinion, they are his - I get tired of his self adulation and this is a example of it.

Psychologically, this is very simple: The leaders of the Republicans have watched the crack-pots in their movement drive away Mr. and Mrs. Moderate...in droves. And their party risks extinction if they don't fix it...soon!

So they hand-picked Bill O'Liely to lead the insane away from the cliff edge. It's a move to save the party before it collapses.

Bill has taken the 'Rational' position on this, and recently, on the birther movement too, after championing both causes initially.

On a similar note. I remember listening to O'liely back in 2003 when we invaded Iraq. He told audience that "If they don't find any WMD's in Iraq.." he would leave Media for good.

They don't call him O'Liely for nothing.

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