10 Reasons Why Patriotic Americans Feel Optimistic

Thursday, September 17, 2009

1. Regardless of the final details of the plan, 30-45 million uninsured Americans will soon be entitled to decent healthcare.

2. Finally, after way too long, the Federal government is placing increased emphasis on alternative means of energy, and putting up the money to back the rhetoric.

3. Although the government is still spending way too much money, at least now the money is not being wasted on pointless elective bloody wars, and instead on improving the lives of citizens.

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Frankly, given the nature of this thread I don't expect to many comments. I was just thinking about this and it made feel good so I thought I would share.

#1 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-17 05:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

seek help.

#2 | Posted by somoco at 2009-09-17 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Gee, no issues here. Looks like middle of the road stuff to me. No wonder they call you Moder8.

Great job.

#3 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-09-17 06:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nice link too.

#4 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-09-17 06:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

What? Does any sensible person doubt that there are lots of reasons to be optimistic about the direction America is finally heading in? Especially if, like me, you trust our current leadership and approve of the policies being pursued.

#5 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-17 06:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

seek help.

#6 | Posted by somoco at 2009-09-17 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Though so many are hoping and praying that President Obama will fail he seems up to the task and conveys quiet confidence in answer to their hysterical and dishonest attacks and accusation.
At least he isn't starting wars and pushing through tax cuts at the same time. At least the money he is spending he isn't hiding off budget. At least he isn't telling Americans to just go shopping. We'll know whether or not he succeeds down the road but so far I am still glad we elected him. I can't think of anyone else I'd prefer in the oval office.

#7 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-17 06:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Danni, I agree with you 100%. Isn't it a little sad so many rightwingers are so angry that they can't clearly perceive the good things happening all around them?

#8 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-17 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes, despite the colossal fuck ups being made daily by the liberal idiots in power today, 2010 is just around the corner and we will soon rid ourselves of Pilosi, Reid, Frank, Waxmann, and the rest of the lefty-loonys.

2012 is closer every day, after which the stench of B.O. will waft away...

Good reasons to be optimistic...

#9 | Posted by Ari at 2009-09-17 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

#8 what you perceive as anger is really sadness. time and again, it has been proven throughout human history that reliance on the state leads to chaos. when politics is reduced to people voting based on what they can convince the government can give to them - then the republic is lost.

we approach that threshold. social security is broke, and if i could've had the money i've spent on it, and invested it myself, i'd be a whole lot better off. i could've spent the money on things that would've created other jobs and opportunities for people. or, i could've saved it and it could be lent for others to use as capital investment.

instead, it was used by the government in inefficient and relatively meaningless ways. ditto for medicare and medicaid. ditto will be for the health industry. it's foolish to think that this will lead anywhere but to more governmental reliance, more taxes, and a very poorly run system.

our shine will necessarily dim. yes, obama didn't "torture" 3 guys by waterboarding them. what he has effectively done, however, is to inexorably point the us toward bankruptcy and a future of tyranny. that will be his legacy.

you revel in it to the point of not even linking to an article with a headline that suggests if you don't agree with what's going on, you are not patriotic. all from an admitted socialist? again, seek help.

#10 | Posted by somoco at 2009-09-17 06:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

I understand how the failures, lies and incompetence George W. Bush left you, and rightwingers like you, angry and disillusioned.

But separate out your anger and disillusionment. Set aside your bitterness. Be self-honest and recognize that it is not sadness you feel, but rather frustration that it is a member of the opposite Party which is bringing about all these necessary historic changes instead one of your own.

Not to be blunt or insensitive, but you guys had your chance. You guys blew it. You bankrupt the nation and alienated us to the world. Try not to be so upset now that a Democrat is beginning to make things right again. Try to be happy.

#11 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-17 06:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

4. The White House, for the first time in ages, is relatively scandal free. (If the best the rightwing fanatics can come up with is some vague connection to ACORN, that means there really is nothing of substance to worry about.)

Scandal free must be the new code word for lying until they are caught. Any reason ACORN has been dropped by the Senate, House and Oval Office? Oh yeah, nothing to worry about, right?

#12 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-09-17 06:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But separate out your anger and disillusionment. Set aside your bitterness. Be self-honest and recognize that it is not sadness you feel, but rather frustration that it is a member of the opposite Party which is bringing about all these necessary historic changes instead one of your own."

You mean it isn't because we are all inherently racist? Have you not been reading all the articles by libs and former Pres. saying it is all because of racism? Get with the talking points man.

#13 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-09-17 06:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Well that's a very good point Crispee. No doubt for many rightwingers racism is an underlying cause of the anger. But I tend to look for the best in people. I tend to believe that it is not racism which motivates so many of you. Rather, it seems, much of the anger and bitterness is based on ignorance of all the good our society is in the process of gaining from the leadership of President Obama. In short, to give you guys the benefit of the doubt, I believe it is stupidity, not racism, which motivates your ranks.

#14 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-17 06:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Try not to be so upset now that a Democrat is beginning to make things right again. Try to be happy.

#11 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2009-09-17 06:37 PM | REPLY | FLAG

No I'm sooo unhapppyyy. I can't stand it!!!! BWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH. My life is ruuuuinnnnnneeeedddd. BWAHHHHHHHHHH.

(there, that make u feel better)... btw, enjoy the 3 years you have left.

#15 | Posted by somoco at 2009-09-17 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

In short, to give you guys the benefit of the doubt, I believe it is stupidity, not racism, which motivates your ranks.

#14 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2009-09-17 06:45 PM | REPLY | FLAG said the socialist, pointing to all the wonderfully successful socialist countries around the world.

#16 | Posted by somoco at 2009-09-17 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

"In short, to give you guys the benefit of the doubt, I believe it is stupidity, not racism, which motivates your ranks."

Well you and Carter are cut from the same ignorant cloth I see. Anyone unhappy with Obama is either a racist or stupid. Of course all one has to do to refute this is consider the sources saying it. Not to mention both opinions are like assholes.(Pun intended)

#17 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-09-17 06:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

#16 --

The UK, France, Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Canada, etc. all exhibit stronger signs of "socialism" than what is proposed in the US. Those countries and others with "socialist" policies are among the wealthiest, most productive, and happiest societies on earth.

#18 | Posted by dylanfan at 2009-09-17 07:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

#18 | Posted by dylanfan

Obviously most of Europe is a perfect example of the superiority of most quasi-socialist government systems. But the rightwingers are not ready to understand this yet. And if you confuse them with facts they will only get upset and even more bitter. This always results in their involuntary spewing of more bile and lies. Fact is, Rome wasn't built in a day. We are not going to break through the almost mythic levels of dumb which surround many rightwing brains over the course of just one thread. Truth has to be spoonfed to them, - kind of like Gerbers to a baby.

#19 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-17 07:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Truth has to be spoonfed to them, - kind of like Gerbers to a baby."

Still on your little roll I see. For someone supposedly happy, you seem to have much angst towards all on the right.

I wish I had the same available time as you, to worry about what the fucking Gov is doing and how we should emulate other Countries. But then again I live near the pacific ocean, play golf three days a week, Bowl, fish whenever I get an hour, camp on weekends, play the horses, take daily walks with the dog, eat like a king, weekly massages...

I guess ignorance is bliss when it comes to being spoon fed the truth.

#20 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-09-17 07:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm very happy for you. Obviously you are very prosperous. Hopefully, you will join President Obama in seeking to spread that prosperity to other less advantaged segments of society.

#21 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-17 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hopefully, you will join President Obama in seeking to spread that prosperity to other less advantaged segments of society.

#21 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2009-09-17 07:28 PM | REPLY | FLAG

c'mon Moder8, you've got plenty to keep buying those pork rinds. you ought to ease up anyway.

#22 | Posted by somoco at 2009-09-17 07:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Hopefully, you will join President Obama in seeking to spread that prosperity to other less advantaged segments of society."

What no insult? What happened to being a stupid racist and need to be spoon fed the truth because I am on the right?lol

I had no comeback for a serious retort.

#23 | Posted by crispee_oc at 2009-09-17 07:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

all the good our society is in the process of gaining from the leadership of President Obama

Leadership? He's been sucking up to the suits on Wall Street, the insurance companies, banks, just about every corporate entity that will contribute to his reelection.

Clinton Redux.

Social engineering intact.

Not that it's anything new, but where's the CHANGE?

(In your pocket, in place of the dollars you had before you went grocery shopping.)

What makes me laugh is the idolatry of the lefties even as he fails to champion even one of their causes. Patriot Act - Okay. More troops in Iraq - Okay. Single Payer dumped - Okay.

And this after they worked so hard to get him elected. A guy who can PASS for BLACK for crying out loud. Sans the trombone and wrap around shades.

Well I'll criticize him all I like just as I did Bush and Clinton and Bush and Reagan.

I did like Carter when he was in, but then he was a Qualified Submariner. But he was over his head in DC, and Nixon was a crook.

Of course by my accounting Lincoln was our worse president. 623,000 AMERICANS died because he decided the states had no right to secede. And of course that's when the federal government began abusing its authority in contravention of our Constitution.

So don't call me a racist when I hammer the ObamaMama for his bullshit, or misogynist because I despise the Clintons for their lies.

At least Hil is safe from sniper fire with BLACKWATER on the job with a new contract.

LMAO

#24 | Posted by OzarkAggie at 2009-09-17 07:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

I was tempted to title this thread, "Beyond Cynicism". Because frankly, if we are honest, intelligent, and leave our cynicism behind, there are far more reasons to support President Obama's policies than to hate and oppose them. I realize few of you GOPhers have an open enough mind to impartially view the social justice President Obama is trying to achieve. But if you could really "get it", I think most of you would be horrified at the vitriolic nature of your opposition.

#25 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-17 07:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

What are we smoking in here tonight?

#26 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-17 08:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

I realize few of you GOPhers have an open enough mind to impartially view the social justice President Obama is trying to achieve. But if you could really "get it", I think most of you would be horrified at the vitriolic nature of your opposition.

#25 | POSTED BY MODER8 AT 2009-09-17 07:57 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

Opposing "social justice" program snake oil is not vitriolic. I understand what he's trying to do, I don't agree with it, and oppose it vehemently. For a true conservative, there really is no compromise in the face of the biggest power grab since the new deal.

Sorry if you don't understand that. It's not born of racism or ill will toward my fellow humans, or you. It's my opinion. You need to stop dwelling on my opinion. You need to stop trying to change my opinion. You have as much luck changing mine as I have of changing yours.

So, go swill your wine, wish we were more like Europe, and hope for the great nanny-state to take care of you. LLLL....

#27 | Posted by somoco at 2009-09-17 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Moder8 proves that politics is divorced from reality as Christianity. Government is force. Nothing good comes out of it when it's grown to these extremes. He's in for some severe disappointments in the years immediately ahead.

#28 | Posted by Ray at 2009-09-17 09:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

"At least the money he is spending he isn't hiding off budget."

Well. The wars were still in the emergency funding, not in the actual budget, right? So it's not exactly hidden, but...

#29 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-09-17 09:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Of course by my accounting Lincoln was our worse president. 623,000 AMERICANS died because he decided the states had no right to secede. "

So what would the world look like if the Union had failed?

I don't have a stance, but I think it would make a great alternate-history novel.

#30 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-09-17 09:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

2. "and putting up the money to back the rhetoric"

You meant putting up the money to fund the rhetoric, didn't you?

Solar and wind are not nearly as efficient or cost effective as they want us to believe yet the more efficient oil, coal, nuclear are to be frowned upon.

#31 | Posted by KBM at 2009-09-17 10:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

3. "Although the government is still spending way too much money, at least now the money is not being wasted on pointless elective bloody wars, and instead on improving the lives of citizens."

No, the money is mostly being spent to pay back those that funded Obama's campaign. Maybe in the future but not until he has paid off his cronies.

#32 | Posted by KBM at 2009-09-17 10:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

4. "The White House, for the first time in ages, is relatively scandal free."

LOL where did this come from? He has a staff of corrupt people. Remember the promised transparency? He even had the public opinion section of his web site quietly removed.

#33 | Posted by KBM at 2009-09-17 10:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Those countries and others with "socialist" policies are among the wealthiest, most productive, and happiest societies on earth."

Fortujately my freind, Americans don't want any of those things. We are self-reliant and we intend to stay that way even if it kills us.

#34 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-17 10:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

5. "Without America's international influence being reduced or compromised in the least, America is finally regaining the trust and respect of the rest of the world after the Bush debacle."

With the world's dictators only. His approval in Eastern Europe is dropping faster than a waterfall.

#35 | Posted by KBM at 2009-09-17 10:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

6. "Even though lots of dumb people listen to them, very few people with any brains mistake the likes of Limbaugh, Beck or O'Reilly as anything other than inflammatory entertainment."

Didn't you forget DailyKOS, MSNBC, NBC, CBS, ABC, Huff Post, NYT, Newsweek, Olbermann, Maddow, Shuster, Matthwes, Gibson, Couric, Gibbs. You forgot an awful lot of "inflammatory entertainmen

It started out nice and mainstream in the title but quickly turned into a liberal hack's opinions.

#36 | Posted by KBM at 2009-09-17 10:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

a liberal hack's opinions.

#36 | Posted by KBM at 2009-09-17 10:48 PM | Reply | Flag: Rightwing hack

#37 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-17 10:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

A liberal hack? Because some of us support the President Of The United States? Wow. The threshhold for being a hack has gotten mighty low now that the GOPhers are wandering the wilderness.

#38 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-17 11:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

#30 Pragmatist --

I haven't read them, but I've heard GREAT things about a series Harry Turtledove wrote with basically that theme. I believe the series picks up during WWI in an alternate history where the South won the Civil War. Check it out.

#39 | Posted by dylanfan at 2009-09-18 12:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

#18 | Posted by dylanfan

Agreed, as far as high standard of living, wealth, virtual no poor class, etc. in Canada and Scandinavia.

Socialists in power in Spain is a disaster.

The right, a sort of neo-liberal conservatism, is in power in Germany and France and seem to be doing better then their predecessors.

Negative aspects are higher taxes and the flight of the upper class. Can anyone name a famous Canadian living in his home country?

US needs a national health program urgently. That's not socialism, just plain common sense.

Crisis

#40 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2009-09-18 04:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks for the book suggestion, DylanFan. Sounds right up my alley!

"Negative aspects are higher taxes and the flight of the upper class. Can anyone name a famous Canadian living in his home country?"

Does that have to do with taxes, or the reality that Canada doesn't have "fame industries" the way the US does? You know, Hollywood is here, though they shoot in Canada an awful lot. (That said, Gene Simmons, not Canadian, has a home in Canada with his wife, who is Canadian. I forget her name.)

#41 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-09-18 07:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

So what would the world look like if the Union had failed?

I don't have a stance, but I think it would make a great alternate-history novel.

boob is working on his first draft now.

#42 | Posted by eberly at 2009-09-18 08:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

'10 reasons why... '

"Highly amusing" says this patriotic American

#43 | Posted by MSgt at 2009-09-18 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

The spending thing is a huge problem and has the potential to severely affect the quality of life of every American negatively. IMO, that by far outweighs anything Obama has done. He needs to understand the financial position we are in and soon before he causes problems that he's not going to be able to fix such as massive inflation.

I can't believe that we are still stupid enough to be spending way more money than we have.

#44 | Posted by Sully at 2009-09-18 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

3. Although the government is still spending way too much money, at least now the money is not being wasted on pointless elective bloody wars, and instead on improving the lives of citizens.

Posted by moder8 at 05:38 PM

Well, Moder8 comes out as a full on retard. Tell me, since we apparently aren't spending money on the Iraq War anymore, when did it end?

#45 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE at 2009-09-18 01:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Given where we've been the past year or two, indeed the past 8 years, I agree that there is plenty of room for optimism.

I don't believe that the fringe crap seen so frequently on the net and in net blogs, will have a significant role for very many years to come. I don't believe we will implode economically or politically, though our decline from the top is not only inevitable but already under way.

My biggest concern, and the reason I'm short on optimism, is that the people of this country are becoming increasingly partisan. Seeing those who disagree with them as enemies rather than opponents. And this can extremely easily lead to a cultural implosion which will then move to the political and economic spheres. If this occurs, even Pakistan will then be a more viable and stable country than ours.

Stats indicate that our IQ keeps increasing. Highly suspect, given that our stupidity index keeps climbing. And that out disdain for logic has surpassed our analytic skills.

#46 | Posted by AILtd at 2009-09-18 03:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Highly amusing" says this patriotic American

#43 | Posted by MSgt at 2009-09-18 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag

Waving the flag doesn't make you patriotic. Having the courage to stand for what America stands for makes you Patriotic. It is best explained in the Preamble to the Constitution.

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

That is the Preamble to the American Constitution. The Preamble to YOUR Constitution reads:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, provide for the common defence and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Not quite the same thing--but that is the only part you support---that makes you unAmerican. Justice and domestic tranquility mean nothing to you, and promoting the general welfare is something you actively fight against.

#47 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-18 03:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

The right, a sort of neo-liberal conservatism, is in power in Germany and France and seem to be doing better then their predecessors.

'The right' in other countries bears little resemblance to 'the right' here. I would take this comparison with a grain of salt.

Negative aspects are higher taxes and the flight of the upper class.

The flight of the upper class? Not sure what your referring to. Is it that right-wing myth about the rich moving to mars because their taxes are restored to pre-Reagan levels?

Can anyone name a famous Canadian living in his home country?

Famous in general or famous to you? Is this an offshoot of the right-winger myth about thousands of Canadians coming into the US for our healthcare?

US needs a national health program urgently. That's not socialism, just plain common sense.

Crisis

#40 | Posted by CrisisStills at 2009-09-18 04:53 AM

Exactly!

#48 | Posted by DARTHCHENEY at 2009-09-18 07:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Those hollering "socialism" loudest in these parts surely lack even a glimmer of what socialism is. To them, anything considering the less fortunate is to the left of Karl Marx, but they're wrong. Civilized nations employing minimal concern for the non-rich pass us further in all aspects of social development each day.

What this country needs is a bigger, stronger dose of that system, and that dastardly pinko commie red we elected to the White House continues to woo is biggest - and incurable - detractors by not giving it to us. herm

#49 | Posted by herm at 2009-09-18 08:50 PM | Reply | Flag: