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U.S. states whose residents have more conservative religious beliefs on average tend to have higher rates of teenagers giving birth, a new study suggests. The relationship could be due to the fact that communities with such religious beliefs (a literal interpretation of the Bible, for instance) may frown upon contraception, researchers say. If that same culture isn't successfully discouraging teen sex, the pregnancy and birth rates rise.

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Finally--a reason to attend the church of your choice.

"Religious Earth Girls Are Easy"

Finally--a reason to attend the church of your choice.

#1 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob


You know what they always say about those Catholic school girls.

I guess whatever it takes to get you inside a Church again, BuffaloBob.

lol




#2 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-09-17 01:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

The lack of contraception would deflate my interest---so to speak.

Religious chicks is get knocked up more than agnostic or athiest chicks?

No duh.

First, as the article mentions there's the whole cantraception/sexual information taboo thing.

Second, the more you invest sex with mystery and warning labels like "Do not open till married" the more interested the kid is gonna be in it.

"Mmmm, forbidden fruity flava!" they think.

Finally, people who don't believe in sky fairies are generally more invested in reality on every level and are thus more likely to predetermine for themselves more realistically the dangers versus the pleasures of recreational sex and take appropriate measures.

Be Well.

I could be way off base here, but does the article draw a cause and effect relationship? To me, it's more likely that the Southern Bible Belt states have high teen pregnancy rates due more to poverty than religious beliefs.

Finally, people who don't believe in sky fairies are generally more invested in reality on every level and are thus more likely to predetermine for themselves more realistically the dangers versus the pleasures of recreational sex and take appropriate measures.

Be Well.

#4 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-09-17 03:42 AM | Reply | Flag:


I'm sure glad you have free health care up there. You're going to need it after that vigorous patting of your own back. You're bound to sprain something.

If you were to research your assertion you'd probably find it has more to do with being pro-life vs using ANY means of "contraception" And probably not connected to the abilities of abnormally wise atheistic teens.

Maybe non-religious girls are ugly. I do know that people who live in the bluest of the blue states are a lot less attractive physically than elsewhere. I was in Boston for two weeks, and could count on one hand the number of women that I thought were attractive. Go to Atlanta, Charlotte, Miami or Tampa or Orlando, Knoxville or Nashville, Austin or Dallas or Houston, Phoenix--Godalmighty.

That's what those football recruiters know, too, when they're trying to grab top players out of Michigan or New York. Get them to the campus of UF or UGA, it's all over.

Try Jackson, MS

Most of the girls are knockouts and religious, too.

Not my cup of tea, but to each his own.

I like the pagan tree-hugging chicks with long peasant skirts and no makeup.

Kids are horny.

And Christian kids are not going to get rid of it because of their beliefs.

Big fuckin mystery.

I like the pagan tree-hugging chicks with long peasant skirts and no makeup.

As long as they shower...

"tree-hugging" ~ Gal Tuesday

"As long as they shower" with me and Dr Bronner's soap.

I like the pagan tree-hugging chicks with long peasant skirts and no makeup.


do they have big bushy underarms too?

"...If you were to research you'd probably find it has more to do with being pro-life vs using ANY means of "contraception" And probably not connected to the abilities of abnormally wise atheistic teens....#6 | Posted by MrFair"

Hey, Moron. Being Pro-life and being Abstinent are two pillars of the religious community.

So wht don't you do your own research:

You can start with why unmarried TEENS in religious communities are fucking and having more babies despite what the glorious Lord And Neutured Jeeezeus Christ tells them about abstinence.

Then while you're at it, you might want to reasearch why it is that Religious Red Christian States with all their underaged Baby-Mommas coincidentally have the country's highest WELFARE RATES.

For the perfect Trifecta, you can research why Red State Christian Idiots continue to lie to themselves and wrap their supposed family-values in cognitive dissonance.

If that's not too much for a Moron to do on a thursday morning. Beware. Head. Might. Explode. On. You. Keep. Bandages. Handy.

#7 | Posted by rightisright

Actually, south has the highest obesity rates too. Most physically fit are almost all very blue states.

Anyone notice how it seems to correspond more to poverty figures then religious?


10 highest teen
birth states

Mississippi
New Mexico
Texas
Arkansas
Arizona
Oklahoma
Nevada
Tennessee
Kentucky
Georgia


10 states with highest number of kids living in poverty

District of Columbia 35.6 %
Louisiana 29.8 %
Mississippi 28.6 %
New Mexico 25.6 %
West Virginia 25.5 %
Arkansas 23.9 %
Kentucky 23.9 %
Alabama 23.5 %
Texas 22.8 %
Oklahoma


Methinks the outcome was decided before he opened his first data sheet.

"Anyone notice how it seems to correspond more to poverty figures then religious?"

Duh, has Anyone Noticed that the Poorest are Usualy the Most Relgiouse (doink)!

Talk about being so Dumb it Hurts!


"Religious chicks is get knocked up more than agnostic or athiest chicks?"

What a surprise, a lefty falls for the unsupported implications in the article. A smarter conclusion would be that religious people tend not to seek out abortions, thereby raising the "birth rate." The article says nothing about the "pregnancy rate."

More births less abortions.

I can see how this is possible... If you are a religious person who has decided to engage in the sin of pre-marital intercourse, what are you going to do, compound your guilt by also engaging in the sin of contraceptive use?

I'd say its sound risk management.... from a religious point of view.

Hag, I agree. Seems pretty much a direct "cause and effect" relationship. They oppose contraception AND abortion, so they give birth more often.

The article says nothing about the "pregnancy rate."

Preganancy rates...

1. Nevada
2. Arizona
3. Mississippi
4. New Mexico
5. Texas
6. Florida
7. California
8. Georgia
9. North Carolina.
10. Arkansas.


41. Nebraska
42. Wisconsin
43. Iowa
44. South Dakota
45. Utah
46. Maine
47. Minnesota
48. New Hampshire
49. Vermont
50. North Dakota

Also has birthrate, and abortion rate (New Jersey #1).
www.guttmacher.org

As I've said for decades. 'Thou doth protest too much.'

if were comparing red and blue states what does it tell us if we compare the % of unwed black getting pregnant to whites? low morals.


Hag, I agree. Seems pretty much a direct "cause and effect" relationship. They oppose contraception AND abortion, so they give birth more often.

#20 | Posted by kanrei

That or Baby Jesus lovers are all buns up-whores.

Take your pick.


if were comparing red and blue states what does it tell us if we compare the % of unwed black getting pregnant to whites? low morals.

#23 | Posted by semtex111

You are clearly NOT color blind. Colors of states and peoples skin matter to you. That what that tells us.

Resistance is fertile.

That or Baby Jesus lovers are all buns up-whores.
Take your pick.
#24 | Posted by Manypaths

Jeez... its one of those instances where you can sin, and if you get the right outcome from that sin, a baby, then you get away with that sin without ever having to say your sorry for it.

Every couple I know who has had a shotgun wedding acts this way.

It would be wrong to also assume that because the woman is a teen, that she is unmarried.

I notice that the states mentioned also have disproportionately high Hispanic populations. Also, that they enjoy warmer climates. Maybe the relationship is between states that have longer summers, thus more playtime for teens. They are also low-tax states, which suggest families have more disposable income for leisure, second cars, movie tickets, etc.

Being a statistician is easy. Find any statistical relationship, write an article without having to document causality, and get the DR libbies to splash it on the front page. Get right down to it, a large percentage of unwed teen pregnancies occur in welfare-dependent households. Obama voters.

I wonder if this could have something to do with those sexy catholic school girl uniforms?

"Get right down to it, a large percentage of unwed teen pregnancies occur in welfare-dependent households. Obama voters."

LOL...

[citation needed]

"If you are a religious person who has decided to engage in the sin of pre-marital intercourse, what are you going to do, compound your guilt by also engaging in the sin of contraceptive use?"


Not using contraceptives is a catholic thing that is not explicitly supported by the bible, you are talking bible belt, baptist country no such restrictions are made.

"baptist country no such restrictions are made."

Is that true? Seems awfully contradictory to me.

HC:

I've never run across anything in the Bible that says anything about birth control.

The OT naturally spoke about going forth and multi ply because more people needed to inhabit the earth. But nowhere have I ever found anything about not preventing birth.

That IS a Catholic thing and they are not the only Christian religion.

And the much overlooked answer to the $64.00 question is:

"For instance, the results showed more abortions among teenagers in the less religious states, which would skew the findings since fewer teens in these states would have births."

The whole article is skewed, right Bob?!?

hmmm you mean "just say NO" is not working? Go figure!

You mean drinking bleach and mountain doesn't do it either? who could have known?

Florida teens who believe drinking a cap of bleach will prevent HIV and a shot of Mountain Dew will stop pregnancy have prompted lawmakers to push for an overhaul of sex education in the state. Another myth is that Florida teens also believe that smoking marijuana will prevent a person from getting pregnant. State lawmakers said the myths are spreading because of Florida's abstinence-only sex education.

Maybe we ought to get back to reality and teach proper sex education instead.

Do we earn that "Floridiot" title or what?

bleach and mountain dew

You know I kinda like that last myth we should keep it.

The last one I actually heard growing up, but it was that a guy couldn't get a girl pregnant when smoking pot because it lowered your sperm count. Not too sure how this new version is supposed to work.

***"The index of religiosity is tapping into more fundamentalist religious belief," Santelli said. "I'm sure there are parts of New England that have very low teen birth rates, which have pretty high religious participation, but they're probably less conservative, less fundamentalist type of congregations." ***

I tend to agree with some that have already posted here that there is a greater correlation between teen pregnancy/births and economics than religion. And depending on your views, couldn't the headline just as easily been "Teen Abortions Higher in Least Religious States"?

couldn't the headline just as easily been "Teen Abortions Higher in Least Religious States"?

#40 | Posted by jwil72

not for this article... there was no discussion of abortion I could see. It was about contraception or the lack thereof.


The last one I actually heard growing up, but it was that a guy couldn't get a girl pregnant when smoking pot because it lowered your sperm count. Not too sure how this new version is supposed to work.

#39 | Posted by kanrei

No kids here!

From the article


"For instance, the results showed more abortions among teenagers in the less religious states, which would skew the findings since fewer teens in these states would have births."

No kids here either....that I know of =D

The last one I actually heard growing up, but it was that a guy couldn't get a girl pregnant when smoking pot because it lowered your sperm count. Not too sure how this new version is supposed to work.


#39 | Posted by kanrei



That's because God would not bless you or the loose women that are attracted to drug abusers with the miracle of a child.
God, in his infinite wisdom, has decided those of you with no moral compass, and a penchant for smoking the devil's weed, are not worthy of fathering one of His children.
Peace be unto the Lord the Divine and Inspirational One. In this, I and all of the Lord's children pray.
Amen

I thought it was that G-d put so much work and effort into creating his perfect plant and all we do with it is burn it that caused his wraith.

PS- Lord, may you castrate the abusers of the plants you have so graciously put on this earth. May you rip off their cocks and sew their 'giners shut for disobeying your commandments about not smoking pot.
Bradford: 8-20, verse 17

"we do with it is burn it that caused his wraith."


So that's where the holy ghost came from.

The study is almost worthless. If they do not pull out those births by "religous" people from the aggregate number, it proves nothing.

Other factors that may have been important to consider include ethnic backgrounds of state residents, according to Adamczyk, the City University of New York sociologist.


"We know that African American women on average tend to underreport their abortions, which means they could also underreport the likelihood that they got pregnant," Adamczyk said. "If you're dealing with states with a high number of African American women, you might run into that problem."

And as someone upthread pointed out - only the Catholics have a thing against birth control. This article is nothing but a religous bashing exercise - passive but that is the libtard way - keep knocking down what you disagree with and you can convince the "low income" people it is true - which happen to be the subject of this study more so than the religous.

The last one I actually heard growing up, but it was that a guy couldn't get a girl pregnant when smoking pot because it lowered your sperm count. Not too sure how this new version is supposed to work.


#39 | Posted by kanrei

It worked for Ed Gein. He never knocked up one woman at the graveyard after unloading a pipe.

If that's not too much for a Moron to do on a thursday morning. Beware. Head. Might. Explode. On. You. Keep. Bandages. Handy.

#13 | Posted by DUMPLING1 at 2009-09-17 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag: WHOA, TOUCHY!


And I wasn't even addressing you. And you went off on two wild-ass tangents. AND you managed to insult my Lord. Nice "I need my coffee and lots of Midols" debating style. Tsk tsk.

so, they're fornicating outside of marriage AND keeping the babies?!? YEAH! i suppose on the flipside in anti-religious states they're fornicating outside marriage AND killing the babies before they're born - there's a trade-off in this message. wonder if anyone will get it?

#52 Nanc that's what I tried to point out to Spud early on but he never responded. All I got back was a catty little piss-fit from someone named DUMPLING.

Dumpy, take a break from dropping a big dump outta your mouth and read the actual story next time.

#52 | Posted by nanc at 2009-09-17 02:25 PM | Reply | Flag Thinks a Zygote is a Baby

Baby killing is illegal in every State. If stupidity were illegal, you would be doing life.

Fetuses have rights in every State. Abortion is not optional in every State after 24 weeks.

I bet you are against health care for the poor mothers of the children also. That's just the Christian in you.

Fewer abortions, I'm guessing.....

Well this thread sure attracted some strong Obama supporters (unlike the threads on the Patriot Act, Bagram detainees, etc...)

I wonder why.

What we really need is pregnancy rate and birth rate comparison between regions of the country that are limited to abstinence-only "education" and proper education.

I don't understand how a mother sees her 16yo daughter pregnant and doesn't become sad. Does Sarah Palin really think 16yo. pregnant Bristol will have the same opportunities Sarah did? Sarah didn't give birth to her first until she was 25.

low morals.

#23 | Posted by semtex111

Fuck you! Well, maybe not you, unless you can play hockey.

Sin-cerely;

Bristol Palin

Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 37.4% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 31.3%, Jewish women account for 1.3%, and women with no religious affiliation obtain 23.7% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as "Born-again/Evangelical".

www.abortionno.org

All right! We can turn this into a Palin thread again!

Good thing, too. I was concerned that the libtards have gotten over their fixation.

"I was concerned that the libtards have gotten over their fixation."

Over one of the leading candidates for your party's nomination? It's not our fault that you bible-thumping buffoons want to nominate some crazy bitch. Go for it.

I am sorry maybe I missed something while I was actually working. When did abortion become the same as contraception? I didn't see any discussion of abortion in the article.

Maybe Nanc could clear that up for me when she gets done speaking in tongues.

teen abortion rate 10 fold higher in non-religious states.

They don't murder their unborn children like in non-religious states! Duh!


They don't murder their unborn children like in non-religious states! Duh!

#65 | Posted by utastaff at 2009-09-17 09:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

No such thng as an unborn child. No such thing as an unbuilt house--an unbuilt car. An egg is not a chicken--an acorn is not an oak tree---a zygote is not a human being.

There is an old saying that goes--Don't count your chickens befoe they hatch. The reason for that saying is that unless they hatch--you don't have any chickens. I know that is too deep for you, or you would never have made such a foolish statement. But some might understand,

I am sorry maybe I missed something while I was actually working. When did abortion become the same as contraception? I didn't see any discussion of abortion in the article.

Maybe Nanc could clear that up for me when she gets done speaking in tongues.

#63 | Posted by donnerboy at 2009-09-17 06:55 PM | Reply | Flag:


Donny I'll clear it up for you. Go read the entire article.

***"not for this article... there was no discussion of abortion I could see.
#41 | Posted by donnerboy***

From the article:

"For instance, the results showed more abortions among teenagers in the less religious states, which would skew the findings since fewer teens in these states would have births."

You should have your eyes checked, or learn to read.

The article goes on to say:

***"But even after accounting for the abortions, the study team still found a state's level of religiosity could predict their teen birth rate. The higher the religiosity, the higher was the teen birth rate on average."***

This is quite a skewed way to look at the findings. This study was done with one, very narrow causality in mind. That being religion leads to higher birthrates. I just believe there are many more factors that have to be looked at, such as education, poverty, and cross generational attidudes that have been developed due to prolonged exposure to these factors (yes, including fundamentalist religion). Is it a chichen or the egg arguement? Probably. Have these people latched onto religion because of other factors, or has their religion caused the poverty, low standard of education, and subsequent higher birth rates. I honestly don't know the answer, but I suspect the answer is rooted in more than one socio-economic factor, not just religion. Are birthrates higher in more religious states, yes. Are abortion rates higher in less religious states, yes. Is there more to high rates of teen pregnancy than just religion, I believe so.

It's NOT due to contraception, at least amongst Protestants. It's due to beliefs regarding abortion. 1 in 3 of my generation (everyone under the age of 37) are "missing" becasue of abortion.

Any Christian knows abortion is murder, unless they have an ulterior motive for denying the obvious.
Probably any Christian you know knows SOMEONE who got pregnant as a teenager but kept and raised the child or gave them up for adoption, not opting to abort, kids raised in Christian families.

My in-laws for one.
I know more kids who've kept or gave up for adoption than kids that had their child ripped apart through abortion.

Beliefs -> attitude -> behavior -> character -> destiny

3,000 abortions/day occur, and most are NOT from religious people.

# of Christians who've had an abortion = lower 20%

# of non-Christians who've had an abortion = around 30%
(A Barna study)

# of Republicans who've had an abortion = 35%

# of Democrats who've had an abortion = 49%
(Alan Guttmacher study)

I further get great amusement out of BuffBob and dethspud making pronouncements about Christians and their upbringing.

That'd be like me and Lisa telling you all about the nature of homosexuals and what their relationship with their father was like.

That'd be like me and Lisa telling you all about the nature of homosexuals and what their relationship with their father was like.

#72 | Posted by kirk at 2009-09-18 10:47 AM | Reply | Flag Thinks there is a child in the womb placed there by a Sky Fairy

Actually it would be like you and telling others about the nature of people with an IQ above 65 and what the nature of normal living would be like. You should let Lisa speak for herself---I'm just letting you know that because if your IQ were above 65--you would have known that already.

No child in the womb--the womb would kill a child--don't believe me?--put one in there and see what happens.

#73
Based on the qualtiy of your posts, you should probably stop taking about IQ. You're about as Charlie Gordon as it gets, pre-op that is.

Look at all the bibile thumpers' panties getting in a wad!

#74 | Posted by jwil72 at 2009-09-18 12:22 PM | Reply | Flag: Has nothing but personal attack

;-)

I don't think abortions were the point of that article, notably because it pointed out that the figures worked even after you discounted them.

Seems like the easiest correlation is between all the things people mentioned. Poorer, less educated people believe they have omniscient omnipresent friends as a psychological tool to explain the very great number of things they don't understand and to give them a sense of value in a universe that doesn't seem to value them. Being of less intelligence, these same people tend to be less capable of reaching for a condom.

Does that pot thing really work? I may have to up my dosage, purely as a preventitive measure, of course :)

#76 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-18 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag: Could not read/understand my previous posts.

Otherwise you would know I have far more than personal attacks. And being lectured by you about personal attacks is really rich.

Zeropointnrg

You should post more often.

teen abortion rate 10 fold higher in non-religious states.


LOL!

I see religious states all have the major population in them...

And being lectured by you about personal attacks is really rich.

#78 | Posted by jwil72 at 2009-09-18 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

I very rarely ever start with a personal attack, and when I do, I will usually state the reason for it. Just because I defend myself, and do it well doesn't mean I started the attack. As of late--within the last six months--I have triesd to avoid personal attacks completely--which is why I started a list of bloggers I don't talk to. Some of the people are on there because I put them on the list---however, the list is voluntary also---you can join just be saying you would like to be on it. That way I will not respond to any of your posts---unless you are talking directly to me first. I may talk about a point you have made, but I won't speak directly to you unless you speak to me first---and even then, I will probably ignore your post. Would you like to be added to the list? All anyone has to do is ask.

"Any Christian knows abortion is murder..."

Surely this tidbit from the sushi bar of idiocy deserves a thread of its own. Stats proving that a lie are here and need no further amplification. It's like Catholics favoring reproductive rights within one percent of non-Catholics.

From my days as a clinic escort, I remember more than one hooded teen entering the clinic hoping not to be recognized by fellow parishioners waving doctored nine-foot bloody fetus photos. Indeed, I remember one recognized and abducted by her own flock. The cops didn't care ... and we didn't see her again. herm

#81
You constantly attack groups, individuals, you name it, and most of the time it's senseless babble. So go ahead and put me on that list of yours, I'd appreciate it.

***"LOL!
I see religious states all have the major population in them..."***MONEY

Do you ever make meaningful comments? Or do you just bounce from thread to thread trying to convince people that you are so intelligent and above it all by tossing out an occasional pithy comment? I'm still waiting for you to fill the void on the other healthcare thread.

You should have your eyes checked, or learn to read.

#68 | Posted by jwil72


They found a strong correlation between statewide conservative religiousness and statewide teen birth rate even when they accounted for income and abortion rates.

For instance, the results showed more abortions among teenagers in the less religious states, which would skew the findings since fewer teens in these states would have births. But even after accounting for the abortions, the study team still found a state's level of religiosity could predict their teen birth rate. The higher the religiosity, the higher was the teen birth rate on average.


Yea I could have read that better! Though I see the "discussion" of abortion indicates it was taken into consideration and was not considered a factor. Probably why I "glossed" over it.

I still don't see how someone can relate abortion to contraception.

"Even after they accounted for abortion rates...."

Hmmmm. I wonder how they did that? Self-report? I'm smelling another nasty methodological error.

#85 You obviously were never a teenager. It would explain a lot, especially your sour attitude.

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