Two points on the Birthers.....

One: They are wrong.
Two: Even if they were right, they are still wrong.

"But USAF242, how could they be wrong even if they were right?"

The crux of the Birther arguement is a FLAWED LAW.

It is simply this:
If a 21+ year old female US citizen gives birth ANYWHERE, the kid is concidered born American.
HOWEVER....
If an American born, US citizen teenage girl gives birth in the U.S., then the kid is born American, but if she does so overseas, the kid is not???

I'm sorry, that is as silly as illegal aliens being able to use anchor babies. If it is the law, it should be changed, effective immediately and even retro-actively. (and get rid of anchor babies while you are at it....)

I don't like Obama (although I don't hate him. That I reserve for John Kerry. No Joke.....), I don't like his presidency. He a racist, he is a STUPID socialist, but even if the Birthers had hardcore PROOF of their claims, THE LAW IN QUESTION is so bad, I don't want it used ever.

And again, its all moot, because he was born in Hawaii.

"how did you all of you anti-birthers feel about the conscientious objectors? the same? i did."

REAL "conscientious objectors" are cool, so say I, a man very proud of 22 years of military service.

There are (at least) two catagories of real conscientious objectors.

One type will NEVER be in the military to begin with. If the Objector has any brains, they don't try to argue against using military force for taking out violent dictators (a good act in and of itself), but they just can't bear taking part in violence, even if in a support function.

The second type of Conscientious Objectors do join the military. The second type can't bear to PERSONALLY pull a trigger, but they are willing to do jobs like combat medic (one of the most extreme risk jobs in the military, balls of titanium steel required....).

IF REAL, a conscientious objector does NOT object to jobs that involve personal risk and possible horrible death (They could be a fire fighter).

FAKE conscientious objectors talk of "illegal wars", or "birth certificates"

I've given advice to many kids thinking of joining the military. I always start with the NEGATIVES, and tell them that if they can't get past the negatives, then stay out. One negative is that the soldier NEVER is the one to decide if a war is "legal", not even if the soldier has 4 stars on his soldier. Heck, even if the soldier KNOWS for 100% sure that it is illegal, you go, and do your job, even if that involves pulling triggers. HAVING SAID THAT, I also cover My Lai and Lt Callay. ALL soldiers, even if they have only one stripe are REQUIRED, by U.S. military law to DISOBEY and REPORT illegal orders.

Orders to deploy and conquor are NEVER "illegal Orders"

Orders to shoot unresisting non-threating non-combatants are ALWAYS illegal orders. (I give the example of Hugh Thompson as the proper response to 'real' illegal orders.....)

Ringmaster

I don't mind someone, even a hardened combat soldier 9or perhaps especially such a soldier) waking up one day, and deciding "I can no longer pull a trigger".....

....but the manner in which the soldier then acts is telling.

If he ends up surrounded by Micheal Moore and Code Pink, trashing Bush, and talking about illegal wars, he should be convicted and put to death (No joke).

If he goes to his superiors, and tells them he can longer kill, and REFUSES to get involved in Bush trashing or "illegal war" talk, then re-assignment to a non-trigger pulling job (if he is willing to non-trigger pulling military work), or seperation from the military would be appropiate.