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LONDON Pakistan remains the "biggest source of instability" for Afghanistan, a London-based think tank said Tuesday.

The International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS) said Pakistan had become the "key battleground" for Al-Qaeda-linked fighters who fled the US-led invasion in 2001 that ousted the Taliban from power.

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Pakistan needs to get on the ball. We can't be expected to do everything. Problem is that there is too many terrorist sympathizers in Pakistan.

Jackass, I can not believe it, but I agree with you.

I blame Tosser!

this is a much bigger thing then one is responsible for the problems of the other..

there are huge number of variables including tactical errors on the american (british, etc), afghani AND pakistani governments.

to simplify it and lay blame on one side is dishonest and doesn't solve anything.

As far as the "taliban" or Al-Qaeda are concerned, Pakistan has dealt with the problem very effectively.

We need do no more.

It is time for the incompetent Americans to step up to the plate and do their jobs like they were supposed to.

Pakistan will not do their work for them. LOL

Anyway, trust Jackass to post old regurgitated reports that are no longer of any relevance.

"It is time for the incompetent Americans to step up to the plate and do their jobs like they were supposed to."

Nuke 'em 'til they glow. Shoot 'em in the dark.

"Problem is that there is too many terrorist sympathizers in Pakistan."

And too many nukes. Granted, they're little ones, k-tons as compared to the multi mega tons in the arsenals of the US, the Russians, the Brits, and the French. But all it takes is one and the ballon goes up. Pakistan (despite endless protestations from The Wanker) is the most unstable and most dangerous area on the planet. If it wasn't for the (paltry) nuclear arsenal they have, nobody give a rat's ass what they do to each other.

I still wonder why the US is still dorking around in that region of the world. Ain't much there of strategic relevance or importance, except maybe the Caspian Connection.

k-tons as compared to the multi mega tons in the arsenals of the US


America has standardized it's nukes to be around from 100 to 180 kilotons.

When you use MIRVed missiles, like the US does.. like we do.. like Russia does... you HAVE TO make lots of smaller nukes rather than a few large ones.

Look up MIRV.

If it wasn't for the (paltry) nuclear arsenal


It's enough to keep you away. LOL


except maybe the Caspian Connection.


And the oil and gas from the Caspian area will have to come through Pakistan to get to the US.

Time to kiss our ass. LOL

and most dangerous area on the planet.


Only for Americans.

I don't think it dangerous at all for me.

The largest nuclear explosion ever was 50 megatons.

The largest nuclear explosion ever was 50 megatons


Yes, we know that, thank you very much. LOL

Zar Bomba.

America has standardized it's nukes to be around from 100 to 180 kilotons.

When you use MIRVed missiles, like the US does.. like we do.. like Russia does... you HAVE TO make lots of smaller nukes rather than a few large ones.

Look up MIRV.

#8 | Posted by Tosser

Of course, Wanker the Oracle knows all and see all. He knows the full extent of the American nuclear arsenals and presumes that everybody is ignorant. Put a rupee up his arse and (after a giggle or two) he will tell you what you already know, whether you want to hear it or not.

I know what a MIRV is, Wank-a-Wad, probably far better than you. And lest I repeat what you obviously already know, there is more than one way to skin a nuclear cat than a MIRV'd ICBM.

"If it wasn't for the (paltry) nuclear arsenal

"It's enough to keep you away."

Hardly keeps us away. But it does make the betting in Vegas more interesting as to when, not if, one of you fanatics over there swipes one and sets it off, Allah's Blue Light Special.

Think Tanks are usually stuck in a rut.

He knows the full extent of the American nuclear arsenals and presumes that everybody is ignorant.


No... but there is much material that is disussed in public.


I know what a MIRV is,


I doubt it from the way you responded.


Hardly keeps us away.


Then come inside Pakistan and take Osama away. LOL

You can't.

Since MIRV'ed ICBMs, large yield weapons have given way to smaller yield weapons. They are more effective than the megaton monsters of yesterday.

en.wikipedia.org

The point is, in today's nukes, the focus is on small tactical weapons.... not "city busters".

It's enough to keep you away. LOL

If only that were true.

If only that were true.


"We can't go into Pakistan", Mullen.

LOL

Poor guys.

yall forget that pakistan has nuke subs as well.

probably off the coast of nyc right now...

there is no reason for either countries to start pushing the red buttons.

all forget that pakistan has nuke subs as well.

probably off the coast of nyc right now...


That's right. They could be anywhere specially since these are "stealth" subs (fuel cell powered).


there is no reason for either countries to start pushing the red buttons.


No reason at all.

Fortunately, for the world, American foreign and military policy isn't made by the idiots you find on DR. LOL

Tosser,

At present, the United States is the only country in the world that possesses trustworthy MIRV missile system.


The US, UK, France, USSR, China, Israel all have MIRV capability.
I have attended a number of Warfare Conferences in my time where it has been openly discussed.

Japan, Germany and Italy all have the capacity to integrate a MIRV solution into their weapons technology if they chose to go to a tactical theatre missile solution (unlikely as MIRV without nukes is almost useless - unless you intend going down an NBC delivery process.

I think next target for Pakistani scientists is much longer range missiles like the Shaheen III which has a range of 3,600Km.

They could be anywhere specially since these are "stealth" subs (fuel cell powered).

I imagine they're chilling within striking distance of India. How close that is to the US depends on how good Pakistani rockets are. There's no reason for either country to be parking missile subs off the other's coast. Every country with nuclear weapons seems to draw up plans for nuking every other country or combination of countries... it's the nature of the beast.

And nuclear weapons... they are a beast.

Fortunately, for the world, American foreign and military policy isn't made by the idiots you find on DR.

There wouldn't be much of a world left...

India enjoys a considerable advantage in conventional forces over its smaller neighbour, and this military superiority has enabled it to win three wars against Pakistan, four if one includes the Kargil conflict. In such a scenario, the Pakistan military is always on the lookout for the latest technologies to negate the opponent's numerical superiority. And it finally got its answer in the Agosta 90B submarine. Let's hope they don't have the money to operate it.

Pakistan would have been annihilated in 1948, 1965,1971 and 1999, had it not been for the Western interefernce to save Pakistan's ass

"We can't go into Pakistan", Mullen.

Now. Someday we may have no choice. We are already on your border. If you collapse and turn into another Afghanistan what then?

It ain't over until it is over. And it ain't over is it?

Is there peace in Pakistan? Got those dang Terrorists under control have you? So what is the dang deal Tosser?

Pakistan, a nuclear armed state of 170 million people, is facing a virtual meltdown and its political leadership seems utterly incapable of steering the country through the present mess. The international community has few levers left that might have any significant impact on the course of events. And so everyone is just waiting with bated breath for events to unfold in what is probably the worst crisis in Pakistan's troubled history

Is this just bullshit or is any of this true?

But the real trouble is emanating from Pakistan' tribal areas where the insurgents have found a safe haven. From their sanctuaries in the Federally Administered Tribal Area and Baluchistan, they are wreaking havoc on the western forces fighting in Afghanistan.

As a consequence, no improvement in the security of Afghanistan is possible without progress in the control of the Pakistani border areas. The Pakistani government, meanwhile, has acquiesced in to the demands of the radical Islamists and imposed Islamic law, Sharia, in its Swat valley region which was once a popular tourist destination. It is a dangerous concession to the Islamist extremists and would embolden them even further to demand imposition of Islamic law in other areas too even as it provides them with a safe haven to launch attacks on western forces.

Tosser laughs at the thought of Americans dying trying to fight terrorism. I think many other Paki's do as well. Time to leave that shithole area of the world. They don't want us and they aren't worth defending.

I think next target for Pakistani scientists is much longer range missiles like the Shaheen III which has a range of 3,600Km.


It's over 4,500Kms actually.

The Shaheen-2 meanwhile was tested successfully with MIRV.

It isn't as big a deal... at least not for us... that you think it is.

Is this just bullshit or is any of this true?


It is no longer true.

Finding old or re-hashed material on the internet to prove some point that is no longer valid is pretty pathetic.


The Pakistani government, meanwhile, has acquiesced in to the demands of the radical Islamists and imposed Islamic law, Sharia, in its Swat valley region


Were you dead drunk or something when we went to war and killed all them terrorists in Swat? LOL

Read this here, Stupido:

news.bbc.co.uk

It has been over for the "taliban" since many months now.

and this military superiority has enabled it to win three wars against Pakistan, four if one includes the Kargil conflict.


India won???

LOL

1. 1948. Pakistan took half of Kashmir away from India. And we still have it.

2. 1965. India launched an attack on Pakistan but was stopped dead with nearly all it's tanks and aircraft destroyed. Their objective was not achieved... to cut off Lahore from Pakistan.

3. 1971. The people of Bengal rebelled against Pakistani rule and fought us from the inside. The Indians later came in to pick up the pieces and Bangladesh was created.

4. Kargil. Pakistan is still holding on to territory that is captured from India during Kargil. No Pakistani aircraft were destroyed. However, at least two Indian aircraft were shot down and about 10 others damaged.

And it finally got its answer in the Agosta 90B submarine. Let's hope they don't have the money to operate it.


Pakistan not only is successfully operating them, but is thinking of building more.

We are also going to make the German U-214... which in many ways is better than the Agosta. Far longer range and depth and again.. it's "stealth" is unmatched.

So you're in perpetual border wars,Hurray.Seems they would be great trading partners.

As far as missiles are concerned:

forum.pakistanidefence.com

So you're in perpetual border wars


It's been quiet for some time now.

I know what a MIRV is,


I doubt it from the way you responded.

#15 | Posted by Tosser

Right... Okay... The Wanking Oracle knows all yet again. Guess you've discerned my resume in the patterns of ejacula.

The Wanking Oracle knows all yet again.


I can make a pretty good guess when it comes to you... you are not a complex man.

You were too defensive and angry. And you didn't know the standard yield of today's weapons and the reason for it. And as usual, I am right.

Gotta love that revisionist paki viewpoint!!!

Pakis and Muslim extremist invaded Kashmir, the Hindu's went to India for help and the Indians came in and pushed the pakis's back. With India ending up controlling the largest swath of Kashmir.....some win,you invaded an entire region and got a sliver!!

and in 71, the eastern half of your country was lost and so were roughly 100,000 troops as prisoner to India.

LM

Prediction: Now Tosser will post 20 consecutive responses demonstrating the glorious victory of the Pakistani nation over the dogs from India citing revised history and outright fantasy. When every one gets bored arguing with a fool and leaves he will declare victory in the debate. LOL

Pakis and Muslim extremist invaded Kashmir


Ho hum.... the ignorant-Amreekan syndrome strikes again.

It was rather more than THAT going on back then. But you are no historian so....


some win,you invaded an entire region and got a sliver!!


Oh we got hell of a lot more than that.

In fact we gave part of the Kashmir we got from India, to China. (India still makes an issue out of that detail)

That is how Pakistan/China friendship started.

nd in 71, the eastern half of your country was lost and so were roughly 100,000 troops as prisoner to India.


Yes, I said so didn't I?

The Bengali people rebelled and fought Pakistan from the inside in the shape of the Mukti-Bahini terrorist movement.

When it was all over, the Indians walked in and took over 90,000 Pakistani prisoners of war from the Bengalis.

However the creation of Bangladesh turned out to be a blessing.

Pakistan could NEVER have got nukes and missiles today if we were still feeding those people.

Bengal was the biggest drain on our resources. And they still can't feed themselves even after getting their own country.

citing revised history


Oh, I don't do revised history.

You do that.

You see, I am not an American who would lie about his country's military history all the time putting this or that spin on things.

WMD... no WMD.... we are winning in Vietnam... we lost Vietnam... we are winning in Afghanistan (LOL)... the people of Iraq LOVE us... America defeated Hitler (Russia did most of the work)... etc etc

"Russia did most of the work"

Correct: See Stalingrad.

Japan on the other hand .... therearenosunglasses.files.wor
dpress.com

Correct: See Stalingrad.


Exactly.

Japan however was done in by the US.

BUT... we (by "we" I mean British-Indian army) gave the Japanese their first major defeat at Imphal around Burma.

Also, one of the first Japanese ships to sink, was sunk by the British-Indian navy. By accident, but it was a kill nonetheless. (my dad's aunt's husband was a sailor on board). LOL

See? Even when you try to agree with this dufus, you get some bragging in denial, or some other supercilious crap ...

This reminds me of Jeff trying to agree with you leftist liars ...

"The 1971 War
Indo-Pakistani relations deteriorated when civil war erupted in Pakistan, pitting the West Pakistan army against East Pakistanis demanding greater autonomy. The fighting forced 10 million East Pakistani Bengalis to flee to India. When Pakistan attacked Indian airfields in Kashmir, India attacked both East and West Pakistan. It occupied the eastern half, which declared its independence as Bangladesh, on Dec. 6, 1971. Under great-power pressure, a UN cease-fire was arranged in mid-December, after Pakistan's defeat. Pakistan lost its eastern half, an army of 100,000 soldiers, and was thrown into political turmoil. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto emerged as leader of Pakistan, and Mujibur Rahman as prime minister of Bangladesh. Tensions were alleviated by the Shimla accord of 1972, and by Pakistan's recognition of Bangladesh in 1974, but tensions have periodically recurred."

Not my history, but infoplease, and if you go to wiki's it's a more unflattering picture of pakistan.....goes something like, bengali's uprised legally through election and you paki's wouldn't allow them to form a govt, then invaded and imprisoned Bengali's, Bengali's lawmakers fled to India and asked for assistance. 400,000 Indian troops marched on 65,000 Paki's and captured them all.

LM

Paki's were the illegal aggressors just like Bush....and you label them terrorist just like Bush....hahahahahahaha'



LM

65,000-90,000 Pakistani soldiers captured by India. LOL!!! They say positively French.

Even when you try to agree with this dufus, you get some bragging


Happens to be true, Tadpole.

Oh come on. They've just been to a Woody Allen film festival and so they are understandably feeling a little neurotic and insecure. They'll get over it when they turn about 25.

when civil war erupted in Pakistan


That's right. We shot ourselves in the foot, so to speak.


bengali's uprised legally through election and you paki's wouldn't allow them to form a govt


Yes, true.


Bengali's lawmakers fled to India and asked for assistance


More or less true.

It was all planned beforehand we now know.


400,000 Indian troops marched on 65,000 Paki's and captured them all.


After all our stuff was sabotaged overnight and most of our key people were killed.

No supply lines, everything cut off.

That is what happens when you are attacked from the inside.

Civil war.

Paki's were the illegal aggressors


Not illegal... but it is now felt we over-reacted and yes, we shot up the place. LOL

We did have very poor leadership back then.

Not illegal... but it is now felt we over-reacted and yes, we shot up the place. LOL

We did have very poor leadership back then.

Posted by Tosser at 2009-09-16 02:47 PM |>

Just curious- do you afford Israel the same latitude?

Just curious- do you afford Israel the same latitude?


Never thought of that, to be honest.

It has been pointed out many times... by many people... that Israel and Pakistan are similar in many ways.. in our reasons for being... in our doctrines... in the way we fight... in the way we take from our favorite bastard Uncle... in our history. Too many similarities.

I was just curious. I am no Israel supporter, but I do understand why they react, I just feel they go way too far.

Isn't the PAK in Pakistan made up of Persia, Afghan, and Kashmir?

Isn't the PAK in Pakistan made up of Persia, Afghan, and Kashmir?


Punjab
Afghania (notice it's not "Afghanistan")
Kashmir

That's the story anyway.

Otherwise it just means "Pure-land".

I was close =D

notice it's not "Afghanistan"

Yeah, that is why I typed Afghan and left off Stan. I knew that came way later.

I knew that came way later.


No, it was there at the time, I think.

"Afghania" was a general name for all Pathan areas combined.

1 for 2, batting .500 ain't bad on that region for an American.

Like parts of America and Canada/British Columbia are generally known as "Cascadia".

It has been over for the "taliban" since many months now.

#27 | Posted by Tosser

So are you saying there is no more Taliban in Pakistan? I am sorry I am having trouble believing that. However, it does sound like your Army finally got off it's ass and took control of the Swat
Valley. I am impressed by this. As for it being over for the Taliban I think that is just wishful thinking.

The border is all quiet? Right!

Pakistan Bomb Attack At NATO Border Crossing Kills At Least 19

Pakistan's lawless border with Afghanistan is a main front in the battle against al-Qaida and the Taliban, who are destabilizing both countries. Under heavy U.S. pressure, the Pakistani military has launched ground offensives and air attacks on the insurgents in recent months, but much of the region remains under militant control.


Read more at:
www.huffingtonpost.com


The United States has launched more than 40 missile strikes from unmanned planes on al-Qaida and Taliban targets close to the Afghan border since last year, reportedly killing several top commanders, but also civilians. It does not comment on the attacks.

The missiles are fired from CIA-operated drones believed to be launched from Afghanistan or from secret bases inside Pakistan. They are reported to be piloted by operatives inside the United States.

The Pakistani government publicly protests the attacks, though is assumed to be cooperating with the strikes and providing intelligence for them. It has called on Washington to give the technology for such attacks to Islamabad because its military is capable of using the drones.


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