Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

President Barack Obama called hip-hop musician Kanye West a "jackass" on Monday in an off-the-record comment during an interview with CNBC, ABC News anchor Terry Moran claimed on Twitter.

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I agree with Leno.. He needs to hold a root beer summit for Tayler Swift and Kanye West.

Shame on this reporter!!

And I can see in the article they didn't spell this reporters last name correctly...it says Moran and it clearly should have been Moron.

Sorry...couldn't resist.

"This was done before our editorial process had been completed. That was wrong. We apologize to the White House and CNBC and are taking steps to ensure that it will not happen again."


sure you do fox news
sure you do.

hahaha

kanye IS a jackass though.

"barack obama hates black people"

Well, If Obama called him a jackass, it's good enough for me. The Jackass.

~The white half of Obama hates black people.~


~Kanye~

#3 - Wow I didn't know "Nightline" was a Fox News production.

my bad.

i saw it was a "fox" news link

but i would say the same to abc

sure you are sorry...sureeee


the media is in the biz of sound bites.
its annoying

#7 That's OK Kliff.

"Jackass" is too polite a word but I do support the President on this.

Kanye West is a great American, though I feel he didn't do enough to humiliate that white bitch at the awards show.

I think it an insult to JACKASS!

#8

i wish a black leader would tell it how it is.. kanye is a racist.

Nice Xenu reference.

That's a nice presedential term.

The guy was a dipshit but the lady displayed class when she got her award.

Obama has racism in his blood. Why is the President commenting on this? Because Kanye is black, and interrupted a white girl. Modifying your behavior because of race is racism, regardless of the motivation. Same thing with the beer party, mentions of his "typical white person" grandmother, 20 years of Reverend Wright and countless other examples. The man is a racist to the core.

But funny how he so far has said nothing about Serena Williams, who actually threatened violence in her filthy spew. I guess the line judge wasn't white enough.

So Obama hates black people now? That's the leap that would have been made had a white President made this comment.

That said, what is the story here? Obama is right, the guy is a jack-ass...but so is Obama.

Obama hates black people now? That's the leap that would have been made had a white President made this comment.

Name a white contender for the Presidency who even knows who Kanye West is.

I think the closest would be when Mitt Romney was photo-opping with a bunch of black people and said "Who let the dogs out."

That wasn't at all racist...

You're right Snoofy, no racism exists on the left. Especially not by the child whoring community organizing groups supported by our current President.

"Obama has racism in his blood"

yea!

idiot.

Obama has racism in his blood.

You have meth in yours.

Agreed Klifferd, what an idiot. It isn't in his blood, it is in his thoughts and ideology.

Most of you are fucking stupid. Just thought you should be reminded of that every now and then.

I bet Bill Cosby thinks West is a jackass too. I guess that means Cosby is a racist as well.

Idiot, indeed.

Isn't Obama calling someone a jackass, the pot calling the kettle black?

First time in 8 months he got something right!!!

"Most of you are fucking stupid."

Pffft.

I've been called worse than that by better people than you! :p

"Obama has racism in his blood"

Wow, when did Glen Beck join this site?

Name a white contender for the Presidency who even knows who Kanye West is.


That wasn't at all racist...

#17 | Posted by snoofy at 2009-09-15 12:19 PM |


I DO, YOUBETCHA!

Sarah!

"Mitt Romney was photo-opping with a bunch of black people and said "Who let the dogs out."
That wasn't at all racist..."

Not racist, just ignorant. I suspect Mitt is as familiar with black culture as most Americans are with Inuit culture. Hey, I watched Northern Exposure.

As for Kanye, my feeling is that anyone older than 16 years old and not in the entertainment business and watching the VMA's might want to take some to consider the path their life is taking.

I also think his behavior is indicative of the loss of civility that has gripped the US. From white Congressmen to black Entertainer there are just some people who cannot abide someone having a differing opinion.

Straink, everyone has a touch of stupid. The problem is with the people that can't admit that.

For examples, please see any career politician. EVERY office should have a one term limit.

Johnny, in their defense, they probably heard it through the news. I don't know anyone (thankfully) over 16 that watched the show.

However...I think we need to look no further than the fact that the guy was wearing sunglasses inside that night. We all know that has douche-bag written all over it.

Can we all agree on this? Regardless of your race, if you wear sunglasses inside, you are a douche-bag.

" it is in his thoughts and ideology."

yea!

but of course you can provide examples that prove this.

typical white woman about his own grandmother doesn't count because it was NOT racism. focusing on it by you is racist though because you didn't see the context and point of it just the words.

sorry but racism is believing one race is better then the other.

trying to elevate a race that has been historically discriminated against is NOT racism

unfortunately you have no idea what you are talking about.

Klifferd, you are an asshole, of this I am sure.

yes... yes i am

takes one to know one.

everyone has a touch of stupid.

Brentrice seems to be especially well-endowed if he can spot racism in Obama's actions.

Obama failed to separate the action from the person. It would've been far better for him to has said that Kanye acted like a jackass. It would've stung less, and make Kanye not have such a negative self image.

- Stuart Smalley, US Senator

Thanks Zombie, yes, my penis is quite large.

Thanks Zombie, yes, my penis is quite large.

I'm sure your boyfriend is one satisfied man.

"Stuart Smalley, US Senator"

LOL

Klifferd, at least we have the whole asshole thing in common. Nice to find common ground with an ideological opposite.

He likes it Zombie. Do you have a problem with that? Are you an intolerant leftist?

I also think his behavior is indicative of the loss of civility that has gripped the US. From white Congressmen to black Entertainer there are just some people who cannot abide someone having a differing opinion.

Sadly you also see it in the way Serena Williams reacted to that foot fault call.

And the way Joe Wilson shouted out "You lie!" as the President addresses Congress.


Klifferd, at least we have the whole asshole thing in common. Nice to find common ground with an ideological opposite.
#39 | Posted by brentrice1 | Flag: Wide Stance?

It's nice to have a PG president again after the NC-17 Clinton years (graphic sexual content) and the R Bush years (rude language, graphic violence, adult content, adult situations, scenes of extreme terror).

(Oh, you were referring to Joe Wilson in the first place... oops!)

"OFF RECORD"....from the 'Saint of Transparency'..

Doc, nice reference. Have you seen the related bobble-head doll that was handed out at the St. Paul Saints baseball game?

nice to know that brentrice has proven how obama is a racist.

oh wait he hasn't

Come on Zombie, what else do you have to say? Love to see the true side of the left.

Klifferd Klifferd Klifferd. What in the fuck are you trying to do here? You want me to make subjective statements about Obama to say he is a racist like the left did to Bush? I'm going to "prove" something by that? Did you "prove" Mitt was a racist with your bullshit earlier?

when did i call mitt a racist??

oh riggght i didn't.

My bad, that was Snoofy.

i don't feel that romney is a racist at all actually.

i just think he's stuck with the racist "base"
of the gop, unfortunately for him.

maybe he should become a blue dog.

i put "base"

in quotes because i don't feel that goper's in general are any more racist then anyone else in america.


but their minority of racists are extremly loud right now.

conservatives should be telling them to shut the f up.

Racist base? Too bad the media isn't covering this acorn shit so you can see what is going down on the left. You want to talk blatant racist exploitation, of minors nonetheless. Terribly sad.

For the record, we do tell them to shut the fuck up. You guys have them on your side too.

As to 'bobblehead' dolls, there should now be a perfect pair in 'Barry' and 'Dubya'...!!!

or a 2-headed for Barry, for each heritage...
can cover all in one...

again brentrice

those acorn fucks are just as racist

but right now the lefty racists don't have a blow horn and attention of the world.

probably cause we know they are assholes.

Dr Soul, the great thing about the Larry Craig bobblehead was that it was in a stall. I think they are actually pretty damn valuable on ebay these days.

"You guys have them on your side too."

and to also point out

i'm not really on any side.

i definately agree with many gop ideas as well as many dmc ideas

i find it really annoying at all the mindless zingers without any common sense.

and i admit i've found myself doing more of it lately then i would like.

the dr brings out the worst in me hahahah

Klifferd, hold on a minute here. Take some time to go through youtube and other video of the demonstrations in D.C.

I have seen the clips getting play from PMSNBCNN. They focus on a almost non-existant percentage of the demonstration. Don't get played by the media.

Dr.? Sarvis? He's actually pretty damn funny.

I'm not on a "side" per se either. I don't think the congressional approval numbers would be as low as they were if there was actually a difference between the two. The movement we're seeing take place on the right is as anti-gop as it is anti-dem. I think the majority of the country is swinging center/libertarian, at least this crowd.

With the "at least this crowd" proviso, yes, you're probably right.

Fucker, don't agree with me, what am I supposed to do the rest of the day?

"Fucker, don't agree with me, what am I supposed to do the rest of the day?"

Look up Goatman. He'll argue with you about anything.

I don't agree with Obama on much, but I do on this particular issue. I'm just wondering how the President feels now that he has been bitten by the media lapdogs. An "off the record comment"? From a sitting President? Is the love fest over? I don't know who the bigger jackass is, Kanye for his actions, or President Obama for believing a member of the media would keep this "off the record."

I actually feel bad on this one point for any politician. NOTHING is ever off the record. Imagine having to live four years of your life (in Obama's case :) ) without being able to "let your hair down" so to speak.

Post #35

Hilarious!
"I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and dog-gone it, people like me.? ..."
Sen. Smalley

JWIL72, indeed, the liked him so much that more ballots than registered voters showed up in some districts.

#66...you know something is really wrong anyway with our society when people have to hide who they really are behind 'off the record'..no matter who it is.. but, these people choose to live in this fishbowl and WHY?? should they be afforded any cover for expressing themselves???? and, especially this guy who claims such a high degree of transparency and NOTHING to hide?????

Dr Soul, I'm far from an Obama supporter. That said, I don't have any problem with what Obama said, OTHER than the fact that I prefer a President to stay above lines like that. Acting Presidential as they say. I felt the same way when Bush was caught on a hot mic calling a reporter a real asshole. May have been true, but you don't need your President heard talking that way.

I guess my point is the 'label' on all of this for anyone... the 'political correctness' of it all.. 'sounding Presidential'..this is the most 'Presidential' sounding I have heard from him ..
I think there is a segment of society that tends to 'judge' too strongly and this is an example, in my opinion.. does the language really take away from the person...and, I agree, I cannot support or find anything positive about this particular individual in this particular office...

...and, I agree, I cannot support or find anything positive about this particular individual in this particular office...

#71 | Posted by drsoul at 2009-09-15 01:38 PM


But let me guess !!!...You sure could with George W. Bush..... RIGHT !!!

ROFLMFAO

Racism shmacism. West acted like an ass. Obama said what he felt. I love it.

But is he a MAJOR LEAGUE jackass? Or is that a designation reserved for NYT reporters?

Look up Goatman. He'll argue with you about anything.

#64 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-15 01:19 PM

No I won't.

--Goatman

#72....Your assumption is wrong.. I think there probably is not a 'dimes difference' in Barry and Dubya..
funny how one could assume from my statement that I would be a Bush man..!!! now that IS funny..!!

No, that was "major league asshole." And that's different. Insulting someone vs. talking about their behavior. The reporter, as far as I remember, did nothing to deserve the comment, at least not as a social act. Kanye West acted... well, like a jackass. Maybe asinine and rude would have been better words?

typical white woman about his own grandmother doesn't count because it was NOT racism. focusing on it by you is racist though because you didn't see the context and point of it just the words.

sorry but racism is believing one race is better then the other.

trying to elevate a race that has been historically discriminated against is NOT racism

unfortunately you have no idea what you are talking about.

#31 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-09-15 12:33 PM

I have to disagree with you, Klifferd.

First of all, saying his grandmother was a "typical white person" in the manner that he did is a broad-brush generalization which is considered a logical fallacy.

Since it was meant in an unflattering manner, he was painting ALL white people with the brush of a trait he considers inferior.

In addition there was more than one quote from his book that illuminated his views on race. It isn't like the impression was gotten from just one quote on his grandmother.

But to tie this up, you say racism is believing a particular race is superior. I would add that it is also believing another race is INFERIOR. It is six of one and a half-dozen of the other.

I don't believe Obama is in the KKK class of racism, but I do believe he has racist tendencies which have been evidenced time and time again. He is too much of a politician to succumb to that totally though.

Consider it more like a bias akin to party loyalty rather than a hatred of those not like him.

On the subject of the thread however, Obama was dead on in calling Kanye West a "jackass". Glad to see I can agree with him on more than one thing.

We all have racist tendencies. Ah, the humanity.


#72....Your assumption is wrong.. I think there probably is not a 'dimes difference' in Barry and Dubya..

#76 | Posted by drsoul at 2009-09-15 02:20 PM


You just told me everything I need to know about you to know you are die hard Conservative Republican.

George W. Bush and Barrack Obama on the same intelligence level !!!


Once again....ROFRMFAO !!!

hat said, I don't have any problem with what Obama said, OTHER than the fact that I prefer a President to stay above lines like that. Acting Presidential as they say. I felt the same way when Bush was caught on a hot mic calling a reporter a real asshole.

I have to disagree with this too. The modern concept of being "Presidential" has taken a note akin to the demeanor and reverence afforded to royalty.

I prefer my Presidents to be good leaders, but also be human. After all, that is exactly what they are. While I don't expect them to go off on profanity laden tirades, the occasional remark of "asshole" and "jackass" where it is deserved is perfectly fine in my book.

As far as I am concerned the office of President has become entirely too political with too many expectations of political niceties.

"Can we all agree on this? Regardless of your race, if you wear sunglasses inside, you are a douche-bag.
#30 | Posted by brentrice1 "

Agreed, unless you are Stevie Wonder or Ronnie Milsap.

We all have racist tendencies. Ah, the humanity.

#80 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009-09-15 02:58 PM

I agree, we do.

However there are degrees that I think we measure by, and taking that into account Obama is more racist than most but nowhere near as racist as some. I also think he has learned to hide it better since the days he wrote his books as a matter of political necessity.

why cant you black boys get along?

The people on DR constantly amaze me. When O.B. was running for the presidency at least 75% of you were for him. Now probably that many are against him. Did someone wake up?

#86

Here's the funny thing, Rebelnation:


Some people don't walk in lockstep with a party and don't have a problem with saying tehey are disappointed in the president regardless if he is a member of their party or not.

See...that's what people with consciences do!

You just might not recognize it after watching the past 8 years go by.

Now "PROBABLY" that many are against him. Did someone wake up?

#86 | Posted by rebelnation at 2009-09-15 03:34 PM


I HOPE... I HOPE.... I HOPE... I HOPE !!!


"However there are degrees that I think we measure by, and taking that into account Obama is more racist than most but nowhere near as racist as some. I also think he has learned to hide it better since the days he wrote his books as a matter of political necessity."

More racist than most what? Weird comment.

The "typical white person" comment makes total sense to me. He didn't say the typical white person wears a hood and burns crosses. He was talking about discomfort with the Other. It's very true. Some of the most "tolerant" people I know (including me) evidence some discomfort in certain scenarios, such as what he described in that speech. Doesn't show racism on his part at all (not in how I read it).

That said, I'm much more discomfited by the dude with the case in the back of his truck, the gun rack (carrying), and certain bumper stickers than I am by the homies on the corner suckin' on their 40-Os. (Well, I don't live in NYC anymore, but that used to be true.) I've been threatened (truly) by more cranky, gun-lovin' white guys than inner-city urban yout'. (And I'm a pasty-faced white American.)

How in the world did Obama calling West a Jackass become a discussion of racism? I think that charge is losing its effectiveness from being used so casually and frequently. Maybe that's one way to get past it.
(and Prgmatist.. sorry, but I don't believe your story about being threatened.. a bit too convenient. My BS detector is sounding)

And, I think ABC management's apology for using an off-the-record comment was sincere.. but in the everybody has a cell phone with a video camera world.. no politician should ever think anything is off the record.

When you think back to the JFK days of the press agreeing not to cover sexual misdeeds... like it or not.. its a different world now. Pretty much if you're a famous person, and you say it in public.. its on the record.

Name a white contender for the Presidency who even knows who Kanye West is.

#17 | Posted by snoofy

Name one that gives a shit.

Name one that gives a shit.

#91 | POSTED BY SNIPER AT 2009-09-15 04:46 PM | REPLY | FLAG:

name on who should give a shit.

"(and Prgmatist.. sorry, but I don't believe your story about being threatened.. a bit too convenient. My BS detector is sounding) "

Sound all you want. Nothing convenient about it--rather horrible to be or feel threatened at any time. That's sorta like crying "Link!" for a personal anecdote. Or calling me a liar. Believe what you wanna believe. My experience with African Americans in NYC is much less scary than my experience with--I'll just say it--rednecks in northern New England. (Not recently in either case.) Just is. Your mileage may vary. But I won't call you a liar if you assert a different life experience.

That said, I was mugged twice while living in NYC, and neither mugging was conducted by a fellow honky. But that's meaningless, too. I wasn't trying to make any huge point about one group or another.

It sure would have been neat to see Serena Williams try and shove that tennis ball up that line judges ass at the US Open.

From one end of the political spectrum to the other, this is one thing Obama said that surely we can all agree on.

On the other hand, I think Obama was being KIND.

#93 | POSTED BY PRAGMATIST
"Your mileage may vary."

Love it. Gonna steal it.

More racist than most what? Weird comment.

Not weird at all. I simply (and obviously I thought) meant more racist than most people.... but not as racist as some. It is true that we all exhibit at least a small degree of racial preference for our own race. On a scale of 0 to 10 with zero being no racial bias whatsoever, most people in the US are maybe a 2 and the KKK is a 10. Judging by Obama's known statements I would put his bias at about 5. You are free to disagree, but that is my opinion.

The "typical white person" comment makes total sense to me. He didn't say the typical white person wears a hood and burns crosses. He was talking about discomfort with the Other.

The thing that made this comment racist wasn't that he pointed out a "discomfort with the Other". The thing that made it racist is that he painted it as being a white person trait. It isn't. It is a HUMAN trait. There is a natural tendency to at least some bias in all of us when it comes to race. His denial of that in blacks, but pointing it out in whites is racist. It is at the "cross burning" level of racism... but it IS indeed racism since it ascribes a supposed inferiority to one race that you don't ascribe to another.

It is at the "cross burning" level of racism... but it IS indeed racism since it ascribes a supposed inferiority to one race that you don't ascribe to another.

Let me correct this before someone reads that and gets offended unnecessarily. That should have read:

"It ISN'T at the "cross burning" level of racism... but it IS indeed racism since it ascribes a supposed inferiority to one race that you don't ascribe to another."

You know, this could be the start of something for Obama, and might actually get him re-elected!

First Kanye Worst...then Louis Farrakhan, then Al Sharpton, then Jeremiah Wright, then Nancy Pelosi, then ......aw forget it.

Does anyone really give a shxt about these worthless entertainers other than they entertain?

They take home more in a month than most of their fans take home in a lifetime, just as do their managers and ticket promoters. They are far less important to society than what the media and others portray them as.

You're right, Mooman. I don't agree.

"His denial of that in blacks, but pointing it out in whites is racist. It is at the "cross burning" level of racism... but it IS indeed racism since it ascribes a supposed inferiority to one race that you don't ascribe to another."

When did he deny it in blacks? I must have missed that. If he said blacks are racist and whites aren't, that would indeed be very odd--and maybe racist on its own. I must have missed that in the texts I read. What's the inferiority of which you speak? The racism he points to? I think you're overreaching. But I don't really care. Dig what you want, man.

When did he deny it in blacks? I must have missed that.

Did he say that his grandmother was a typical PERSON because of her "discomfort with the Other"?

Nope... he said she was a typical WHITE person. According to him, that is a white trait. Not black. Not asian. Not hispanic.

He singled out the race to which this supposedly applies.

A trait common to white people to behave this way toward blacks. I don't think he's wrong. You really don't see this as _common_ among white people? Typical doesn't mean everyone does it. It means it's common enough to _seem like everyone does it._ (Well, okay, I'm talking connotation, not denotation, eh?) In my experience, that's not far off the mark. His grandmother was white, not black, not Asian, not Hispanic. He was making a point about race even in his own family, a family _with black people in it_. I think you missed that, or you're interpreting beyond, to a place I just don't see.

(And do I remember right that you said he's at 5 on the 1-10 racism scale? That would mean he's right in the middle--not more than most, but about average. : ) )

And by the by, I'm fairly certain many blacks do have difficulty with whites--prejudice (which isn't necessarily the same as racism). And the reason for that, historically, seems pretty clear to me.

Interestingly, this discussion fits neatly with something I'm (re)reading right now: Down These Mean Streets, by Piri Thomas. Thomas is a dark-skinned Puerto Rican who grew up in Harlem. One of his main conflicts is race--where he fits or doesn't fit, even in his own family. He favors his Poppa, but Mom looks pretty much white, as do his siblings. The discussions of race therein echo much of what I think Obama was talking about.

I guess we've both said our piece, and neither is likely to convince the other. Thanks for keeping it civil--too often these arguments (especially on here) become pointed and personal. I think we both mostly avoided that.

A trait common to white people to behave this way toward blacks. I don't think he's wrong.

It is a trait of ALL races. To suggest otherwise is racist by definition. I believe I already stated that point clearly and concisely.

Typical doesn't mean everyone does it.

Certainly not. However if I said "he was a typical black person, he loved watermelon" what would be the reaction to me?

Does that statement suggest that ALL black people love watermelon? No.

Does it suggest nobody else likes watermelon? No.

Does it single out black people in a broad-brush generalization fallacy? YES!

Does it suggest that they are more prone to love watermelon by virtue of race? YES!

Has that exact stereotype by decried as racist time and time again just like similar ones dealing with chicken, ribs, or even welfare and foodstamps? YES!

When you single out a race promoting a broad-brush generalization or stereotype with a derogatory depiction, it is rightfully called racism.

...he said she was a typical WHITE person. According to him, that is a white trait. Not black. Not asian. Not hispanic.

He singled out the race to which this supposedly applies. -- #102 | Posted by moomanfl

In support of your point, remember that famous Jesse Jackson quote?

There is nothing more painful to me than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery, then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved. As quoted in US News & World Report (10 March 1996) and The Boston Globe (5 September 2007) en.wikiquote.org

Lotta good points in this discussion.

There is a natural tendency to at least some bias in all of us when it comes to race. -- #97 | Posted by moomanfl

I've been noticing how much context matters to my unintentional race bias. A few years ago, I lived in a city that was about 50/50 black/white. There was an interesting norm there -- black men seemed to go out of their way to put me (all women, I assume) at ease if we crossed paths at night. (They'd say "Hi," and often cross to the other side of the street -- it became almost embarrassing.) After a couple months, I'd actually get more nervous if I ran across a white guy when walking alone.

Later I moved to a ridiculously homogeneous white area, and then to another racially mixed area. While living in the almost all-white area, I almost wanted to walk up and hug any black person I saw -- it felt like half the world was missing. But when I moved back to a racially mixed area, I reverted at first to "typical white person" mode.

I'm tired and rambling, but I've found it interesting how the form of my bias (and it's ALL bias, since it all involves sorting people by skin color) varies.

No I won't.

--Goatman

#75 | Posted by LIVE_OR_DIE

Yes-You will!

--tadthepolesmoker

Mooman: "It is a trait of ALL races. To suggest otherwise is racist by definition. I believe I already stated that point clearly and concisely."

Prag (in a previous e-mail): "I guess we've both said our piece, and neither is likely to convince the other. Thanks for keeping it civil--too often these arguments (especially on here) become pointed and personal. I think we both mostly avoided that."

Dude, you've made your point. I've made mine. Please let it go. You will not convince me to agree with you; I will not convince you to agree with me. With the all caps, I feel like you're yelling at me, and ruining the nice feeling I had about civility.

And look up the PIri Thomas book, if you're interested in race issues, internal conflict, various levels of racism, etc. He does not "play the victim"--he honestly looks at his own complicity and at his internal conflict.

Anyway... Good night!

To 'so called' USATRUEANDBLUE....you still do not get it, cupcake..!!!! I am neither conservative or liberal to any extreme and certainly not so narrowminded to be beholden to any of the parties in progress today.. it is people like you who have little insight to the real world who have to sit on a label of somewhat...must be a very scary skin to live in.. it might behoove you just to digest and think sometime... you might just wake up to the real world...

Isn't this the pot calling the kettle black?

With the all caps, I feel like you're yelling at me, and ruining the nice feeling I had about civility.

I am sorry if it comes across this way. I don't capitalize to yell as typically only a word or two will be capitalized in a sentence when I post. I use it the same way that some use italics, or bracketing by asterisks, it is to show emphasis not volume level.

And look up the PIri Thomas book, if you're interested in race issues, internal conflict, various levels of racism, etc. He does not "play the victim"--he honestly looks at his own complicity and at his internal conflict.

Indeed, so am I. That doesn't mean that my interpretations of observations will agree with his.

The fact is, I learned what racism was from black people when I was routinely beaten up as a child for being white in a predominantly black neighborhood in the 1970's. At the time my best friend (and first girlfriend) was the black girl down the street. I heard the word "honky" (and worse) before I ever heard the word "nigger".

I honestly don't need to read the book of a black man (Piri Thomas) to get an objective or unique perspective on the race issue. I am sure it is a good book, but from reading your responses I can already tell that ultimately I will be in disagreement because of my own experiences.

To further this point before close, I hold no grudge against black people for the way I was treated. The treatment I received was the product of ignorance, the same as similar treatment against black people from white ones is. I prefer to take people on an individual basis rather than using blanket generalities and stereotypes.

I can agree to disagree, but don't ever think that I come to my position randomly. Many years and careful thought when into my views.

Well J. Willson can't call Barry a liar on this one....

Thats like hitler calling mussolini a criminal.

#111 Mooman - thoughtful post. A rare thing in the DR. Your experiences sound like some things I saw at my schools, growing up.

Yeah, I agree, excellent post Mooman. Sadly, many would not have taken your brave view after such a horrible experience.

Have you seen District 9? Never apartheid mentioned, nor any hint of racism between white and blacks, yet the filmmakers show brilliantly, and sadly, that humans have that racism gene in them. It's how we react that ultimately defines who we are.

Crisis

It looked like Kanye was working through a one-liter bottle of cognac at the celebration. It's hardly a miracle his behavior was so poor.

I just heard the audio of this and it is clear that Obammy only said that to get some laughs. It was one of those moments where he is sitting there making small talk with all of the attention obviously focussed on him, and he felt the need to entertain the crowd he was sitting with. It was tongue in cheek. It was similar to when he said his bowling was like the special olympics.

"I can agree to disagree, but don't ever think that I come to my position randomly. Many years and careful thought when into my views."

Ditto. And sir, I don't for a second believe you came to your conclusions randomly.

Peace.


To 'so called' USATRUEANDBLUE....you still do not get it, cupcake..!!!! I am neither conservative or liberal to any extreme and certainly not so narrowminded to be beholden to any of the parties in progress today.. it is people like you who have little insight to the real world who have to sit on a label of somewhat...must be a very scary skin to live in.. it might behoove you just to digest and think sometime... you might just wake up to the real world...

#109 | Posted by drsoul at 2009-09-15 10:50 PM

If you think Barrack Obama and George Bush are on the same intelligence level and there isn't a "nickles" worth of difference between them. You don't get it "CupCake" and never will.

gee

whowouldathunk that obama was sucha racist ass.

maybe the dumbass rep from georgia will say something stupid about this like he did about joe wilson and the protests.

hank johnson said that people are about to put on white hoods and go around the country ....
the man can barely get out a sentence.

the man can barely get out a sentence.
#120 | Posted by afkabl2

Not going anywhere near that one.

;)

aw come on...here I give you a place to come up with something clever and this is all we get...

damn son....

damn son....
#122 | Posted by afkabl2


sorry, papa. I won't hold back next time.

well okay

ALTHOUGH I would hate to bring up a DR amendment to accuse you of being rude and lacking of civility...

The president call him a Democrat?

That is their symbol, right?

I sure as Fuck didnt vote for this inexperienced Cook county left leaning politician, but for fox sake man, why is this news again? Really. All it did was actually make me like the guy a little bit after hearing this. Don't we have things of actual importance to discuss?

"All it did was actually make me like the guy a little bit after hearing this. "

And that was the honest reaction I was expecting--er hoping for--from lots of Obama haters.

That said, let's get back to calling him a socialist and asserting the plan for death panels. Heeheehehehehehehehehe.

That said, I was mugged twice while living in NYC, and neither mugging was conducted by a fellow honky. Pragmatist..

OK.. forgive me for questioning you.. but.. I've lived in New Orleans, Houston, New York City, and Atlanta.. and I've never been mugged by anyone of any race...

Who are you hanging out with? Maybe you need to re-evaluate where you go at night..

The way I usually dress, the muggers are probably scared I carry less money and bigger gun than they do.

Cross dressers with guns do intimidate muggers!..

JUST KIDDIN JUST KIDDIn..

Nice NMG! FF for sure.

I'm bowing with great humility..

Kanye West is a jackass and he's conceited and many other unsavory things. Ever since he said Bush hated black people he showed who he was. Then he grabs the mike at an awards ceremony and says Beyonce should have won other than the girl who did. He is a completely incredibly arrogant piece of shit and I'm glad he's getting such bad press. He deserves it.

I also think his behavior is indicative of the loss of civility that has gripped the US. From white Congressmen to black Entertainer there are just some people who cannot abide someone having a differing opinion.

#28 | Posted by johnny_hotsauce

Get a grip. This behavior is nothing more than a drunken stupor. It has nothing to do with civility in America. Most people have civility and some don't. Kanye just falls in the class that don't. He's never had class or civility and Obama was right in calling him out. If anything, Kanye showed his racism on that night. He was pissed that the white girl won so he grabbed the mike in a drunken stupor and showed his ass.

"OK.. forgive me for questioning you.. but.. I've lived in New Orleans, Houston, New York City, and Atlanta.. and I've never been mugged by anyone of any race...

Who are you hanging out with? Maybe you need to re-evaluate where you go at night.."

Forgiveness granted.

And I'm much safer now. One mugging was at something like 2 a.m. when I got on the wrong train, fell asleep, and had to switch somewhere around 125th Street. OOPS.

The other was on my own fucking block. Him I probably could have taken, but better part of valor and all that.

Both were a long long time ago. I live in a nice cozy little town in New England now, and other than the drug addicts who have pilfered my car twice (we live in a nice neighborhood, so they know where to come), I'm all good. I don't drink the way I used to either. : )

What is really funny is the use of the sound bite by Rush...lol

Everytime a Dem says something--they cut to Obama who says "Jackass" right after the comment.

Hilarious..

That's hilarious? Really? Seems like high school level editing to me. (And I teach media to high schoolers.) It's mildly clever, but hardly hilarious. But then, that's why Rush is so popular. 'Cause he's so damned _funny_.

ABC, the "AllBama Channel" has already apologized for leaking Obama's comment.

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