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Six years ago an ad in the Sunday paper changed a young Pakistani woman's life and made aviation history. Back then Ambreen Gul was 20-years old and living in Karachi. Her mother wanted her to be a doctor. She remembers her reaction when she told her she wants to fly. "She was like: 'You're a girl,'" says Gul. "How will you do it? How will you fly?" The following day Gul took the first step in proving her mother wrong. She was among the first in line at the recruitment center.

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Good for her!

This story will probably send Tosser into heat.

haha

pakistani girls are awesome.

toss you should give up the blondes, they don't age very well ;)

i have one lawyer sister

one soon to be in med school sister

and the 3rd also wants to be a doctor but is only 14 still.

Pakistani woman shake the world's conceptions of muslim woman.

Both my parents encouraged them to be the best that they can be even though both are pray 5 times a day kind of muslims.

"you should give up the blondes, they don't age very well ;)"

HEY!!! Watch it Mister!! : )

Lisa. Haha as long as you stay away from tanning beds you'll be fine :-p

Hehe

Ps I was just teasing

Kliff:

I tan very well! Half Italian, remember??

And I know you were kidding! At least you better have been! LOL

This story will probably send Tosser into heat.


Pakistan has had women fighter pilots for some years now.

My days of heat are over and done with, thanks.


toss you should give up the blondes, they don't age very well ;)


I am allowed 4 wives and I will make full use of that.

One blonde, one red-head, one Pak, and one Chinese.

One blonde, one red-head, one Pak, and one Chinese.


It has to be an even number.. either 2 or 4.. so they can cancel each other out and not gang up on me.

At least that is the theory.

"I am allowed 4 wives and I will make full use of that."

How many do you have now?

lol

one wife is more then enough ;)

4x pms drama
imagine if they were staggered,
so no matter the week of the month, you have emotional drama all the time.

How many do you have now?


None....


4x pms drama


Hopefully they will go throttle each other and leave me alone when they feel that way.

Btw, these girls will fly JF-17 aircraft soon enough.

And that can carry nukes.

LOL.. Pilot with pms with nukes on board... go on luv.. fire one across the border!

yea but usually nukes aren't loaded on the aircraft unless there is a need to actually use it. hehe

All I know is...

1. Never give your credit card to a girl.

2. Never give your Kalashnikov to a girl.

People don't know that once women get over the BANG, their aim is better and they are more willing to pull the trigger.

yea but usually nukes aren't loaded on the aircraft


Not usually though PAF doesn't do it the usual way. LOL

There were a bunch of aircraft on standby ... with nukes... when that little nonsense with India happened last year.

Anyway... if we ever have a "broken arrow" incident, it'll probably have a woman in the middle of it.

Do keep in mind, that women are NOT allowed in the Indian Airforce. LOL

Not as combat pilots at any rate.

and targeting militant strongholds in the treacherous mountains of Pakistan's tribal region


LOL... I wonder if the taliban realized it was some woman pilot who bombed the crap out of them?

when that little nonsense with India happened last year.


I am talking of this thing...

www.youtube.com

A fellow blogger from Lahore took this with his phone camera.

In such a situation, I would trust a women to fire first. LOL

"I wonder if the taliban realized it was some woman pilot who bombed the crap out of them?"

its awesome. haha

My good pal "Londo Molari" made this video in his basement.

www.youtube.com

It is an animation about the JF-17 fighting Indian Migs.

All pilots will eventually fly this plane.

Btw, this video was stolen by PTV bastards who included it in a show on the fighter plane's capabilities. LOL

Londo was very upset then.

"Londo Molari"

www.sci-fi.gr

Great Maker!

thank god his name is not lundo.
hahahah

"4x pms drama
imagine if they were staggered,
so no matter the week of the month, you have emotional drama all the time."

LOL

Well, it would serve ya'll right!!! : )

thank god his name is not lundo.


Londo Molari is a very respected member of Pakistan Defence Forum and a defence industry insider of sorts.

When he sez something is up, it happens later just like he said it would. The guy knows weapon systems in and out.

Wow, the JF-17. Built by the Chinese and flown by the pakistan airforce. Probably survive all of 15 seconds going up against any mainline fighter from the U.S or Europe.

Built by the Chinese and flown by the pakistan airforce.


Both ... actually all three made it together... China, Russia and Pakistan.

It is based on the design of the MiG-33 that was to be the first of the "super MiGs" which were designed to take care of anything that America is flying.


Probably survive all of 15 seconds going up against any mainline fighter from the U.S or Europe.


Then why are American defence experts so damn worried about it terming it a "future threat"?

El-Squid... you have a lot to learn... LOL

And like I said the problem will not be the JF-17 alone... the problem will be the JF-17 in the hands of a women.

THEN you're screwed.

www.youtube.com

Another video of the plane the gals will fly, hopefully.

though both are pray 5 times a day kind of muslims.
......#4 | Posted by klifferd

.....can't they get it right the first time ?.......


The United States still has not had a woman President.

4x pms drama
imagine if they were staggered,
so no matter the week of the month, you have emotional drama all the time. -- #11 | Posted by klifferd

Easy enough. The irritable phase of women's cycles is the phase when their hormonal balance is most like men's. So 4 women with staggered PMS = 1 guy.

When can we expect them to fly the planes into a building full of Americans?

The United States still has not had a woman President.

#30 | Posted by CalifChris

Neither have I. Nor have I had a woman vice-president. Still hoping though.

There is the woman Speaker of the House, though she's kinda old and House worn for my tastes.

When can we expect them to fly the planes into a building full of Americans?


When they see you waving to them from a window in the building.

Blimey... this made it to the front page?

KLIFFERD

This story leaves a lot of openings for some shots at Muslims but actually it is a wonderful story. I almost cried.

I almost cried.


You need to get laid.


You two would make a lovely couple.... couple of what, would be the question.

I'll be impressed when the first Pakistani goat becomes a fighter pilot.

fwthom...

i'm glad to notice your thoughtful side :)


toss

the lundo joke you didn't get.. :) i thought you would.

lund oh.

I wonder if any of them are single and sport a tongue piercing. I just love tough chicks like that. If I could find one that could kick My ass and not even fuck up a strand of hair I'd be one happy person. Ooooolala.

Larry

Nice to know that Paki woman can fly a jet and be slaughered in an honor killing in the same day.

and sport a tongue piercing

We don't do that shit here.

It's against regulations anyway.

Nice to know that Paki woman can fly a jet and be slaughered in an honor killing in the same day.


Nice to know you are bigoted and stupid as ever. LOL

Well fuck Me to tears Tosser You done ruined My day. Thanks a lot "Pal"

Larry

the lundo joke you didn't get


Oh I got it alright. You called the poor guy a prick. LOL

Truth hurts, don't it, poor Third World Gunga?

Truth hurts, don't it, poor Third World Gunga?


The truth that your life sucks and you come here for taking a shot at your betters?

No it doesn't hurt me at all. LOL

"I'll be impressed when the first Pakistani goat becomes a fighter pilot."

Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-15 04:50 PM

This is how you make goats fly.


www.youtube.com

www.youtube.com

Hina Tahir.. first of the gal combat pilots on a breakfast show.


www.youtube.com

Scrumplet's got a crush on this rocker gal (her father's from Pakistan):

www.youtube.com

Seriously, combat? What do Pakistanis shoot at, slow moving pigeons?

What do Pakistanis shoot at, slow moving pigeons?


If you were smart enough to watch the videos I linked to, you would have seen cockpit targeting footage of taliban being decimated. LOL

But then you aren't even smart enough to watch a video.

Scrumplet's got a crush on this rocker gal (her father's from Pakistan):


She certainly looks like she's from Pak... and she has a Pakistani name...

Nice music.

Natasha Khan... also known as "Bat for Lashes". LOL

Not only is she a Pathan like meself, she is Jahangir Khan's niece!

Bloody hell! I had no idea they had rockers in the family. LOL

Very good.

en.wikipedia.org

This is a misleading article. In Pakistan, you are considered a female if you only have hair over your upper lip and some chest hair. Genitals is not considered by the Pakistani military ...

In Pakistan, you are considered a female if you only have hair over your upper lip and some chest hair. Genitals is not considered by the Pakistani military ..


Hey, the Hindu speaks, the Hindu speaks! LOL

Yes, Hindu? Do tell us more.

Being an Indian washing dishes in America, we can guess where YOU are coming from.

Cmon Tosser - you must admit that Pakistani women tend to have a little more facial and bodily hair than most men outside of South Asia.
And there is nothing wrong in washing dishes, its a living. I know its not the preferred job in Pakistan - herding goats or becoming a professional jihadist - but its a honest living.

you must admit that Pakistani women tend to have a little more facial and bodily hair than most men outside of South Asia.


Harami-Hindu... I think you should talk about your momma. LOL

No, from my experience, body hair is not a problem.


And there is nothing wrong in washing dishes, its a living.


One that you enjoy doing, I am sure.

Keep at it.

you have no problem with body hair on your women?


Since I don't date Indians I do not know any women with body hair.


But I guess that is why your people require your woman to cover up. Understandable.


Well Hindu... I can see it really got to you that Pakistan Airforce has women combat pilots and the Indians don't. LOL

Bark Hindu, bark!

Funny dishwashers can't even get laid. I'd figure you'd take any girl you could. Even Susan boyle is on yer list.

That's right... I am surprised at the amount of frustration and bitterness this Hindu has in him?

If you don't like it then get another job! Oh.. what's that? You can't? LOL

Klifferd, I wonder if his bitterness is caused by his being a dishwasher or by his being an Indian?

Probably both. LOL

Don't they burn the wife alive in india when the husband dies?

Hahahaha

Boys and gals... Now do you see how bitter these Indians are? hahahahahahahaha

I wanted to show everyone, and now you have seen! Now you should have problem believing me.

Thank you for the opportunity Hindu-dishwasher. LOL

Now you should have problem believing me. = Now you should have NO problem believing me.

Susan Boyle - of course she would make my list. She is a female. In Pakistan, I am sure for most of the men, goats,cattle, and first cousins (male or female) must be on the top of their list. And yes, in the US, we have allowed women to be women for quite some time. Guess what, they have been serving in the Armed Forces for some time.

Sadly I have hindu friends and I am being a jerk about it.

But the lil dishwasher is just asking for a smack down.

Be gone and go find some ugly fat girl.

Don't they burn the wife alive in india when the husband dies?


Yes they do. It's supposed to be illegal but they do it still.

That would end an Indian woman-pilot's career. LOL... crash and burn. (if they ever get to have women pilots)

BTW -speaking of women - Americans, Latinas, and even Indians have won Miss Universe and Miss World. Cant recall a Pakistani woman winning anything but a court case prohibiting child marriage.

And yes, in the US, we have allowed women to be women for quite some time.


Look at this Indian use the word "we" for the US. LOL

You ain't Jindu-the-Hindu laddie... not yet. Got to get your green card first.

Woman having been serving in the military here yes.

But your not even serving food.

I know a couple illegals with better jobs then you.

#70

Are you serious or just nuts'n around?? They burn a wife alive if their husband dies????

I'd be playing Weekend At Bernies for a lifetime!

That's beyond horrible.

Ohh no green card?

Lol

You ARE an illegal!!

Awesome

They don't give h1 visa's to dishwashers. Go. Back to india and study something more then soap.

Soap must have been hard though

Klifferd - are you serious? Are you mocking the treatment of women in India over the treatment of women in Pakistan or other Islamic countries? You are a dope. If you are woman in Syria, you cant even wear slacks? Seriously, defending Islamic states and the treatment of women is a losing cause.

Having fun with Tosser and watching his bravado defend Pakistan - a failed state - is another thing

They burn a wife alive if their husband dies????


Yes they do. It's called "sati" and it is still done in India.

When the hubby dies, the wife is supposed to commit suicide.

If she doesn't, she is shunned forever and nobody talks to her or eats dinner at her house.

She is also made to shave her head.

Klifferd - where are you from?

Lisa it is outlawed but part of hindu culture did involve this in certain castes historically.

This was outlawed and punished durring the muslim and british rules.

However in the really remote parts it was still hapening even into modern times. I don't know how often it happens now. Partly because the really remote parts are where people hardly go due to lack of roads and infrastructure.

Are you mocking the treatment of women in India over the treatment of women in Pakistan


Yes we are.

Here we go. Seeing is believing. India has the highest number of rapes in the world, including the highest rate of incest.

www.youtube.com


- a failed state

Yes indeed... India is really a failed state.

www.youtube.com

I don't know how often it happens now.


4, 5, cases reported every month in India.

Lisa - in Pakistan, they stone women to death when they speak to men other than their husband. Good stuff and something Pakistan is proud of. Oh one other thing, if a male commits a crime in Pakistan, the village elders allow for entire village to rape the women in the criminal's family. Its called living in the dark ages. Tosser/Kliffered: Keep deflecting and talking about the ill treatment of women in other country, you cannot deny the facts within your own.

Dc

I am from philly. It was where I was born. I've lived in connecticut for almost 20 years though

My father came here from pakistan in '69 with a full scholarship to UPENN for physics where he attained his phd.

I do know that all the woman in my family back in pakistan are well educated even though they have humble upbringings and no is above avg middle class.

I don't notice the treatment of woman like you say.

It happens I'm sure in the villages just as often as woman are burned alive or daughters are burried alive.

Tribal mentalities don't seem to want to go away.

Realistically indians and pakis are the same and have the same faults.

But it IS fun to be in a pak vs indian fight haha

in Pakistan, they stone women to death when they speak to men other than their husband.


Prove it.

Hindu... we are on to you. LOL

In Pakistan, women make combat pilots and prime minsters (as seen on this thread).

In India however, they get to be Sati and they are burnt to death.

But it IS fun to be in a pak vs indian fight haha


Specially with an Indian who doesn't have a green card and who washes dishes for a living. LOL

It is kinda funny, him pretending to walk taller than he is.

Hey, watch the videos I linked to!

Ok Dishwasher? LOL

I'll say this you guys, From what you all are saying, despite all the faults America carries, I am grateful and Blessed to be an American woman with human rights that go beyond my husbands existance.

Being fair didn't india have a female leader too??

Indira ghandi?


All these tragedy's happen in the tribal areas of india and pak where they live as if they were a millenia behind. Literally.


The only modern thing they have is guns.

No electricity but boy do they love their ak47's

That's why its such a problem to fix those areas. It would be like cleaning up compton.

The civ casualties would be too high to take the risk.

Though the swat taliban have pretty much forced the issue in pakistan.

Lisa. We are all blessed by that ;)

Lisa actually woman in gang areas in the usa are just as mistreated and gang rape is common.

That's why I compared the tribal regions to "compton"

Klifferd, this is not an India vs. Pakistan debate. Tosser, like most Pakistani's, talks about India because they have nothing else to talk about. Whenever you talk about Pakistan, isolated, Pakistanis get irritated. Typical. Tosser cant get over the fact that there are people - who are not Indian - that actually know things about the region. Unlike Pakistan, there are Americans that have worked and lived in India that are not linked to the military, CIA, oil companies, and NGO's.

And for the record, India had one prime minister. The current leader of the country is also a female - Sonia Gandhi. And if you look closely, there are many females that are political leaders in their respective states.

Klifferd, this is not an India vs. Pakistan debate.


It became one when you chose to vent your Indian frustration on this thread Dishwasher.

The current leader of the country is also a female - Sonia Gandhi.


Sonia Gandhi is not the Prime Minister, you Dishwasher. LOL

Aren't we reaching a bit?

I am grateful and Blessed to be an American woman with human rights that go beyond my husbands existance.


Put it like that, then yes. If you had been Indian, you would be expected to die when the old bastard croaks. LOL

Sonia Gandhi is not the prime minister but is the head of the coalition party that runs the government. For people who know South Asia, they know she runs the country.

For people who know South Asia, they know she runs the country.


How frequently do you go to India, Dishwasher?

This is how you make goats fly.

#49 | Posted by Zatoichi

Wow! That was perfectly grisly.

Truly reality "TV" to be sure.

Lisa, watch this:

Widows who don't go kill themselves in India, are banished. Some are even BLINDED.

www.youtube.com

In many conservative Indian families, widows are seen as a liability. Cast out of the family home, they live the rest of their lives in poverty and isolation.

"She becomes a zero and all her powers are lost", states Dr Giri, explaining how some women's status change when their husband dies. With no where else to go, thousands come to Vrindavan, city of widows. It was the childhood home of Hindu God, Krishna, who championed downtrodden women. "They come here in search of death", explains Dr Giri, in the hope they will have a better afterlife

Pakistani female fighter pilot breaks down barriers?

Well sure, when you've got a couple tons of laser guided explosives to work with it's much easier to break down barriers, innit?

Huzzah fer Pakistani progress.

Weird the way this thread turned into a Pakistan v. India slagging match.

Did Spud say "weird"?

Sorry, ...meant "inevitable"

Be Well.

Sorry, ...meant "inevitable"


hahahahahhaha

exactly

its fun though

its as inevitable as dem. vs rep.

Weird the way this thread turned into a Pakistan v. India slagging match.


Just playing Cricket..... LOL

its fun though

~Klifferd.

Agreed.

its as inevitable as dem. vs rep.

Also agreed.

Just playing Cricket..... LOL

~Tosser

Bit of a sticky wicket, Eh Wot?

Always had a problem with that expression.

Just wot are folk doing to that wicket to get it so damned sticky?

Ew, just ewwwww!

Really don't think that's a question that Spud wants to find out the answer to!

:>()

Be Well.

The Russians had female fighter pilots in WWII.
BFD

01varvara.files.wordpress.com

www.ctie.monash.edu.au

yea... and britain freed the slaves in the 1700's big deal that usa freed them in the late 1800's and bfd that blacks got civil rights 40 years ago.

bfd!

come on

progress is a big deal no matter what.

blame conservatives you fucking idiot liberal piece of shit.

"blame conservatives "

yup

lets see the worlds conservatives.

al qaeda... conservative
hamas... conservative
gop... conservative
likud... conservative
japan's democratic liberal party... conservative

yup i'm gonna blame conservatives.

The Russians had female fighter pilots in WWII.


That was WW2 and the Russians were desperate. It was the duty of all to serve, including women. Salute to them.

However, Pakistan is not at war. We did it anyway. LOL

"Salute to them."

Lily Litvak would arouse the warning on the radio "ACHTUNG! LITVAK!"

A good read: www.amazon.com

"We did it anyway."

Let us know when your women trap on aircraft carriers at night.

my.tennessee.edu

We did it anyway. LOL

#106 | Posted by Tosser at 2009-09-16 11:49 AM | Reply |


When your country is as filled with as many uneducated savages as yours, you need to open up the pool of candidates.

If you could teach mountain goats to spin the props on your planes they'd be "pilots" too.

Let us know when your women trap on aircraft carriers at night.

We don't have or need carriers since we are said to have got Sunburn missiles (Russian carrier killers).

When your country is as filled with as many uneducated savages as yours


And when your country gets to elect a woman as President, you can stop being jealous lady. LOL

(me thinks this isn't Chairpoop... it's his mom using his ID)

Why would anyone not like women flying fighter jets? It's nice when they can handle a stick properly.

1. Never give your credit card to a girl.

2. Never give your Kalashnikov to a girl.

The first mistake can be made many times, but the second, only once...

It's nice when they can handle a stick properly.


That's low... funny, but low. LOL

#27 | Posted by Tosser

... ever heard of the F-22 Raptor or F-35 JSF?


.. ever heard of the F-22 Raptor or F-35 JSF?


Nothing out there can defeat the Raptor.

Fortunately, the plane is too expensive to manufacture and is not the "backbone" of any airforce.

The F-35 is a good plane but until it is fielded in large numbers, you are at a disadvantage.

When it is, we have other solutions coming up for that too. LOL

The basic model of the JF-17 is not as good as the best F-15 (F-15J... Japanese model)... BUT if they gang-up together on the F-15 (or even on the Raptor), no chance. American plane in trouble! LOL

The thing is, we are going for a cheap and reasonably good fighter, that is going to have a number of advanced variants, and which will be made in QUANTITY.

Historically, America also won all it's air-wars because it had more planes... not necessarily because they were better.

So we are copying you. LOL

These new planes are designed to be BVR fighters. (beyond visual range)

That means they can kill from 100kms away.

I don't know of any American plane that can lock on to you and kill from 100kms. LOL

Look up BVR weapons.... AA-12 Adder, for example.

en.wikipedia.org

www.youtube.com

This is how a modern BVR fighter fucks you up from 100kms away.

While America was sleeping and making hanger-queens like stealth bomber and Raptor and stuff that is just too expensive and impractical to be used in real war, the Russians were creating a new breed of aircraft and weapons that went with those aircraft. These planes were known as "super migs".

That "super mig" tech was given to China and to Pakistan, thank you very much. LOL

Also WATCH this:

Threats to American air superiority in the 21st Century.

They mention JF-17... LOL

You can see it painted with the Pakistani and Chinese flag colors.

And that is only the basic version.

Part 1
www.youtube.com

Part 2
www.youtube.com

As can be seen, America is falling way behind.

I've seen a lot of Old Timey American Cold War/propaganda reels from the '60's. Y'know those old black and white ones about "The Dangers of Approaching Communism"

Those fucking youtube documentaries had the same tone as those old propaganda reels.

Tosser, I'm telling you right now, I seriously suspect that America has one or two killer secrets that its actually hiding, its own ace up its sleeves. Don't underestimate these bastards. We may have not given them an excuse to land their fucking Marines in Swat, while we died unprepared in the Waziristans (basic idea of Obomba's Af-Pak plan) but they've got a handful of Manhattan Project secrets that they're hiding really well.

Since this has turned into an aviation blog - here's a hypothesis: The Indians are quietly abandoning their own domestic production of the LCA (or is it the Tejas) made by HAL. Instead, they've got a few prestige units running production whilst they buy up as many SU-35's as they can.

Because Russia is streamlining (read downsizing) its own military, Sukhoi is happy as a pig in shit to go into Indian domestic/allied production of the SU-35. Basically, the SU-35 becomes to the IAF, what the F-86 and F-16 once were for the PAF. Although to be accurate, the F-16 never became as prevalent with us as the F-86. The Sabre became signature PAF.

So, how does the JF-17 handle against the SU-35. One Super-Mig versus another?

And yeah, going back to the LCA Tejas production problems, wouldn't it be expected that the inital run of a product be expensive? Like if they start making more and more, the Tejas becomes cheaper?

I seriously suspect that America has one or two killer secrets that its actually hiding


I would be seriously disappointed if they haven't got anything up their sleeves. LOL

We have stuff up our sleeves too.


they buy up as many SU-35's as they can.


The SU-30MKI you mean... not the Su-35?


So, how does the JF-17 handle against the SU-35. One Super-Mig versus another?


We have a larger plane coming over to counter that threat.

J-10B and later the J-XX (equal or better than Raptor).

wouldn't it be expected that the inital run of a product be expensive?


Not THIS expensive! LOL


Like if they start making more and more, the Tejas becomes cheaper?


Well, since they have been trying to "make" that plane since over 20 years and still not getting anywhere, I say good luck to them.

The problem with Russian planes like the Sukhoi, is they are extremely high maintenance.

Already the Indians have complained their brand new SU-30MKI have developed micro-cracks in their turbines!

They had to bring the Russians over to fix that. And then it happened again! LOL

The Chinese have rejected the Sukhoi thrust vectoring, for example.

The "cobra maneuver" might look great in an airshow, but the problem is, a thrust-vectoring engine has to be overhauled after every 50 hours!

The Chinese/Pakistani planes are not high maintenance. They are, in fact, very resilient.

You're right it is the SU-30. So how does an Indian Air Force rank up when its full of 'Fulcrums' and 'Flankers'? My guess, might be "not bad".

However they may be high maintenance, but lets face it, maintenance on the aircraft is amongst the core jobs of an Air Force.


And yeah, some people were calling this aircraft Uncle Jiang's takeout, so does the JF-17 have any real fighting capacity over an SU-30 or a Mig-29?

The JF-17 aint the mainstay of the Chinese air force, but we are making it the mainstay of our own. What is the reason for this (albeit now, old) decision?

And can they like produce these any faster, cause modern wars are short affairs, whereas with a sace shuttle's worth of wiring to put into the modern fighter, its not like WWII, where the US could produce an insane quantity of fighters in the fly.

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