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"This is the sense in which President Obama's understated pledge not to interfere with state medical marijuana laws potentially achieves for that intoxicant what the Twenty-First Amendment accomplished for beer, wine, and booze during the Great Depression.

Repeal, remember, simply returned to the states the right to decide whether to permit alcoholic beverage sales, and, if so, when and how. If a state permitted sales, it could also enforce minimum- age requirements, limit store hours, set zoning restrictions, and levy taxes. If it prohibited sales, it could bask in righteousness but exercise no control over the traffic that would occur anyway.

Over time nearly every state fell in line behind the tax-and-regulate model."

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I would support Obamacare if it included the legalization of hooch. Heck i might even vote for him next time.


Heck i might even vote for him next time.

#1 | Posted by mysterytoy

Hippie!

What?

The Messiah wants to take over the nation's financial industry, manufacturing and health care, but suddenly discovers States Rights when it comes to pot?

"wants to take over the nation's financial industry, manufacturing and health care, but suddenly discovers States Rights when it comes to pot?"

yup

good stuff.

regulate the real criminals and leaving regular people alone

something conservatives don't know anything about.

Many states will be slow to recognize that there is more money in taxing than in fines. Many wealthy lobbyists earn megabucks working for the private prison industry. WE have thousands of cops who justify their employment by busting dangerous pot heads. CAlifornia is changing quickly but states like Florida and the rest of the South will take decades to realize just how foolish the prohibition of marijauna is.

Danni, you are probably right to a large degree about "Florida and the rest of the south" but I like to think that Miss. or La. might be different from the rest of the south. You know Mississippi has gambling, and Louisiana has the most loose liquor laws in the country and is known to be a partying kind of place. So I am hoping that culturally these two states might be less immovable than the hidebound other states in the south when the cultural change radiates eastward. Hopefully it won't take decades.

Florida and the rest of the South will take decades to realize just how foolish the prohibition of marijauna is.

#6 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-14 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mississippi (that backwater) decriminalized marijuana in 1978.

But keep proving how uninformed you are. It's always amusing.

"Mississippi (that backwater) decriminalized marijuana in 1978."

but didn't ratify civil rights until the 1990's

While MS may have relaxed their laws, Vernon's statement that they decriminalized marijuana is far from accurate.

www.criminaldefenselawyer.com

Penalties for Marijuana Use or Possession in Mississippi
30g or less for first offense
Misdemeanor which is a summons only and no arrest
There is no incarceration but a fine of $100-$250

30 to 250g
Felony
Penalties include three years in prison and a $3,000 fine

And so forth ....

It was kind of bitterly amusing to see a feature on that criminaldefenselawyer website:

Popular searches: Extortion Embezzlement DUI Lawyer DUI Attorney Trespassing Forgery

Please, lawmakers across the country and the people of America please stop making criminals out of people who smoke an herb.

People want Government to cut costs I would say make all drugs legal and free up the Prison bed space from nonviolent drug offenses. Betcha that costs a pretty penny to house and feed the lot of them.

Larry

If the Sacrosanct One can decriminalize weed I wish he'd do something about that damn ban on importing honest-to-God Scottish haggis. That should be a walk in the park for him to do you would think.

You actually WANT to eat "haggis"? I thought that was what the real Scotts used a a prank on wannabes.

I would say make all drugs legal and free up the Prison bed space from nonviolent drug offenses.

#12 | Posted by LarryMohr


You know Larry there's hope to make a real Libertarian outta you yet. It just warms the cockles of my heart to hear you say something like that big guy.

30g or less for first offense
Misdemeanor which is a summons only and no arrest
There is no incarceration but a fine of $100-$250

30 to 250g
Felony
Penalties include three years in prison and a $3,000 fine

And so forth ....

#10 | Posted by grumpy_too at 2009-09-15 12:15 AM | Reply

Precisely: You get caught with a lid you get a ticket and no jail time. A misdemeanor for small amounts for personal use. That's what 'decriminalize' means.

Still a felony for large amounts, which is taken to mean that you are a dealer.

Then there's the practical effect of 30 years of decriminalization. It's common in Mississippi now that if you get caught with an ounce or less the cop just dumps it on the ground in front of you, because even repeat offenders usually get a suspended sentence.

Wozzit now?

FTA: In late February, President Obama signaled a new approach. His attorney general, Eric Holder, confirmed at a press conference that he would no longer subject individuals who were complying with state medical marijuana laws to federal drug raids and prosecutions.

This understated act -- a simple pledge not to act, really -- could have enormous consequences. It potentially leads to exactly the same endpoint as the Twenty-First Amendment, which repealed the federal prohibition on alcoholic beverage sales.

Here's how. When states make a legal loophole allowing medical use of marijuana, they must grapple with the messy question of what precisely constitutes medical use. After all, doctors regularly prescribe powerful drugs like Valium, Viagra, Prozac, and -- give us a break -- Botox to patients who are hardly at death's door.

If a state doesn't tightly limit what "medical use" means, the camel can get its nose under the tent.


As Spud has previously mentioned Spud knows folk in BC who are compassion club members who legally smoke medical marijuana to ease pain and/or improve digestion.

Lgalising marijuana for medical purposes is a significant first step towards an official acceptance of a failure of the War on Drugs (tm) to do anything but empower organised criminals and terrorists around the globe allowing them to corrupt and intimidate governments.

And that's a beautiful thang.

Legalise it.

* DB *

Be Well.

Vernon's statement that they decriminalized marijuana is far from accurate.

www.criminaldefenselawyer.com

Penalties for Marijuana Use or Possession in Mississippi
30g or less for first offense
Misdemeanor which is a summons only and no arrest
There is no incarceration but a fine of $100-$250

30 to 250g
Felony
Penalties include three years in prison and a $3,000 fine

And so forth ....

#10 | Posted by grumpy_too

That is the essence of decriminalization: reducing penalties. His statement is accurate.

"30g or less for first offense / Misdemeanor
"30 to 250g / Felony"

Isn't that like letting the guy with the six-pack off, but arresting the driver of the beer truck?

Isn't that like letting the guy with the six-pack off, but arresting the driver of the beer truck?

#19 | Posted by Danforth

The guy with the 6-pack is going to drink all 6 cans. The guy with the beer truck is distributing.

"The guy with the 6-pack is going to drink all 6 cans. The guy with the beer truck is distributing."

But how do these legislators think the thousand guys with the 6-pack got the product?

I mean, I realize this is the baby step, but still....


The Messiah wants to take over the nation's financial industry, manufacturing and health care,
.........#4 | Posted by vernon

.......based on how well those industries have been running themselves........

.......somebody has to step in.........

"The guy with the 6-pack is going to drink all 6 cans. The guy with the beer truck is distributing."

But how do these legislators think the thousand guys with the 6-pack got the product?

I mean, I realize this is the baby step, but still....

#21 | Posted by Danforth

Yeah, it's all cwazy wabbit stuff.

What else they gonna do 'sides legalize, control, and tax? The resources to pick every petty perp are not there. Personally, I believe that legalizing for the purpose of boosting tax revenues is the wrong reason, but that will ultimately be the reason Herb gets his green card. And this will translate into massive savings at a thousand levels. The cops can focus on the really destructive shit out there (if I had my way, meth dealers and manufacturers would be losing body parts when apprehended). The cartels will lose a large doses of funding. Many new products lines will be created domestically (this ought to have Danni squealing with glee - squeal squeal!).

It still amazes me that the lessons of Prohibition have not been learned and applied. And considering when the current generation was born, it is even more astounding.

The guy with the 6-pack is going to drink all 6 cans. The guy with the beer truck is distributing.

What if you really, really like beer and like to have a keg around the house for your personal consumption?

Well, I am sure Mississippi is full of people who use marijuana for not just recreational but also for medical reasons and they need the law changed for them so that they can get the specific kind of weed they need instead of just buying what they can get from illegal dealers. You know the breeders have got strains that emphasize different effects. So many of those old people could really use a case of the munchies instead of taking that horrible Megace as an appetite stimulant.

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