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Why would Ted Olson lie about receiving phone calls from his wife on the day she died? His report of those calls is the source for "Arabs with boxcutters" that was blasted from every news source for days. Why was Barbara Olson the only passenger to supposedly make calls from Flight 93, and why wouldn't that planes passengers who were mostly military personnel try to take over the plane since Ted Olson supposedly tole Barbara Olson about the other jets crashing into the WTC? The answers for those questions would go a long way toward answering what really happened on 911. Does anybody care?

Does anybody care?

Your vote for Obama means you support a cover-up, or at least a lack of investigation. Or at minimum that you made the devil's bargain and you're going to have to leave these questions alone.

How would a vote for Obama support a cover up? Do you think McCain would have done an investigation into 911? Obama may be controlled by the same forces that controlled Bush. Any investigation has to come from a ground swell of support from the PEOPLE flexing their muscle. After all--many think the PEOPLE have some say in this government. That there isn't a thorough investigation is because the PEOPLE don't want the answers. They are content with waving the flag today and crying crocodile tears to hide their hypocrisy and fear.

The question stands---why did Ted Olson lie.

The question stands---why did Ted Olson lie.

#3 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-11 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag

Just what did he lie about, Boob?

Did he lie that his wife was the only one who made phone calls? How could he know?

Did he lie about boxcutters on the plane? How could he know otherwise?

Vernon

It helps when you check the link the thread is based on---your questions are answered there. Catch up, and then you can ask some relevant questions.

www.geocities.com

Do you still believe that crap story about planes hitting the World Trade Center? What a load... everybody knows the footage was faked. Everyone who "witnessed" the event was paid off by the Bush Administration to lie about it. There were no planes. The buildings were destroyed by laser beams fired from orbital platforms that used microwave radiation to detonate C4.

You are an insult to all who died that day, and all who have died since that day because of the attack.

no, he is just insulting you, asshole.

This thread is about finding out what happened on the day that changed many American lives

what a fucking tool. this thread isn't going to find out shit.


Interesting story. Haven't seen this perspective.

The whole thing doesn't add up. Its easy for me to not believe my government.


If 911 was an 'inside job' we are all in a lot of fucking trouble.

Ouch, this guy and logic really don't get along too well. Assuming his read on olson's demeanor betrays they truth, citing circumstantial, at best, "evidence" as proof. This guy even goes far enough to say that there is no reason why the hijackers did not just kill them all, seriously was he drunk?

Salamandergator

Your post makes no sense whatsoever. Did you even read the link? Barbara Olson called collect--you can't make a collect call from a seat phone in a plane---the plane she was on didn't have a seat phone anyway, and you can't make a collect call with a cell phone--there would be no need to make a collect call with a cell phone. She made the collect call to the front office--why not call her husband on his cell phone like she had earlier in the day. What circumstantial evidence are you talking about?

"What circumstantial evidence are you talking about?"


From the article.


"Think about it, people! If you knew or suspected your spouse's aircraft had just fireballed inside the Pentagon building, how would you spend the rest of the day?"


"If the CNN story about Ted Olson had been correct, and he really had called them about Barbara on September 11, then he would most surely have followed the telephone call up a few days later with a tasteful "one-on-one" television interview,"


"light 77 was travelling at extreme speed at very low level, pulling high "G' turns in the process.
Under these circumstances it would be difficult even reaching a phone, much less using it."


Need more?
Read the "article"

The entire thing is unsupported but by circumstantial "evidence"

sure some of it seems weird but then again you only take note of the weird stuff when something else happens.


Bob stick to the collect call thing, if it is the case that it is not possible. I don't know either way.

Salamanagator

I think what you refer to is speculation--not circumstantial evidence, and was never a part of the basis for my statement that Ted Olson lied.

The collect call thing is the only thing I have ever been focused on. From Ted Olsons own mouth, he said she called him twice--collect. Such calls are impossible to make. First, because you can't make a collect call with a cell phone---second because she didn't call directly to his cell phone if she had a cell phone, which ted Olson said she didn't have---and third because there were no seat phones on the plane she was on, and in 2001, cell phone calls did not have the tech we have today to complete those calls. All the calls made on 911 are suspect---a man with a pregnant wife, thinking he is on a death plane declines to talk to her and talks to an operator instead? Please---who would do that?

www.globalresearch.ca

"I think what you refer to is speculation--not circumstantial evidence,"


Circumstantial evidence is speculative in nature.
en.wikipedia.org

"That there isn't a thorough investigation is because the PEOPLE don't want the answers. They are content with waving the flag today and crying crocodile tears to hide their hypocrisy and fear."

Let's say there's something to be discovered along the lines of what you suggest, are you telling me that you can't understand why people would rather believe the government's version of events? The results of learning conclusively that what you allude to is true would be similar to what would happen if aliens landed on the front lawn of the whitehouse.

Let's say there's something to be discovered along the lines of what you suggest, are you telling me that you can't understand why people would rather believe the government's version of events?

No, I can't understand why the people would sit by and let the government allow something like this to happen. We are a sad nation if that is the case, and the more fact I present--like Olson lying about his wifes call, it makes me think this is indeed a sad nation. We have no heart--no courage--to stand up for right and wrong anymore.

The results of learning conclusively that what you allude to is true would be similar to what would happen if aliens landed on the front lawn of the whitehouse.

Not at all---the government didn't make the aliens.

#16 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009-09-11 08:38 PM | Reply | Flag

#15 | Posted by salamandagator at 2009-09-11 08:17 PM | Reply | Flag

Fine---what about the phone call---did Olson lie or not?

Other people made phone calls to loved ones from the planes--why not Olson?

The man said he talked with his wife.

You are being foolish BB.


Other people made phone calls to loved ones from the planes--why not Olson?

The man said he talked with his wife.

You are being foolish BB.

#19 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-09-11 10:19 PM | Reply | Flag


Why not Olson? Because she called collect to the front office instead of directly to Ted, like she had done earlier in the day. She didn't have a cell phone, and you can't call collect on a cell phone--there is no need to call collect if you have a cell phone. The plane she was on didn't have seatback phones, and again, you can't make collect calls on them if the plane did have seatback phones. It takes a credit card to activate them, and once activated--the call is made direct, with the charges going on the card. The call was impossible to have been made. Ted Olson had to say she didn't have her cell phone because there would have been an easily verifiable phone call shown on the records. Same with the seatback phones, but Olson didn't know that there were no seatback phones, and that it is impossible to make a collect call if they had them. No record of that call shows up anyplace.

That's why not Olson Murphy. You insult the dead by not reading was has already been gone over 3 times in only 19 posts.

That's why not Olson Murphy. You insult the dead by not reading was has already been gone over 3 times in only 19 posts.

#18 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-11 10:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Boob,

You are an obvious loon and conspiracy crackpot, so anything you say is clearly loonie.

But, just for fun, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

"The man said he talked with his wife."

"Excuse me, good sir," Barbara Olson said. "I don't seem to have my phone and we are all about to die. May I use your phone for a few minutes to call my husband, my mate and my life partner?"

Clearly. if Boob were in the next seat, he would refuse to share his phone:

"One more call and it will cost me another 27 cents!" Boob said. "You can die without final words!"

Barbara Olson did not make a collect call. Here is evidence that says so. Of course Ole Bob will only believe what he wants to believe.

www.911myths.com


If it was an inside plot then why would the solicitor generals wife be on a plane that was gonna be destroyed? Don't you think he would be in on it.

Of all the belly laughs this paranoid thread gave me, buffalo chip's repetitive "the people, the people" was best.

Barbara Olson did not make a collect call. Here is evidence that says so. Of course Ole Bob will only believe what he wants to believe.

Airfone phone records provide some information on the calls believed to have been made by Barbara Olson.

"believed to have been" is not definitive proof. For each record in your link, the text above it reads "believed to have been". So you're going to base your argument on "evidence" that is at least as flimsy as the evidence presented by "crackpot conspiracy theorists".

If it was an inside plot then why would the solicitor generals wife be on a plane that was gonna be destroyed? Don't you think he would be in on it.

Your question is answered by its own asking. Seriously, though, if elements working inside the United States government decided they were going to kill a few thousand Americans, do you think they're going to really care much about who's on the plane?

"Excuse me, good sir," Barbara Olson said. "I don't seem to have my phone and we are all about to die. May I use your phone for a few minutes to call my husband, my mate and my life partner?"

Your weak personal attacks show your lack of logic. Do you have a cell phone? Try to call collect on it. It can't be done. Cell phones have their own billing---no collect call is possible. In addition, why wouldn't she call Ted direct, as she did before she got on the plane--Ted had his own cell phone. Third, there is no record of any calls from the plane seatback phones--because the plane didn't have seatback phones. Lastly, the FBI has shown records, and denied any calls were made to Ted Olson

Back on 9/11, the FBI itself had interviewed Olson. A report of that interview indicates that Olson told the FBI agents that his wife had called him twice from Flight 77.10 And yet the FBI's report on calls from Flight 77, presented in 2006, indicated that no such calls occurred.

www.globalresearch.ca

#19 | Posted by vernon at 2009-09-12 08:40 AM | Reply | Flag

If it was an inside plot then why would the solicitor generals wife be on a plane that was gonna be destroyed? Don't you think he would be in on it.

#20 | Posted by buzkiller at 2009-09-13 03:34 AM | Reply | Flag

He was in on it---why else would he lie through his teeth about receiving a call from her? There was no seatback phones on that plane, and if there were, you can't make collect calls from them--read the link. It takes a credit card, and once activated--the calls are billed to the card. But again--no seatback phones on that flight.
Anything else? Your link to records show nothing related to Barbara Olson making a call. I guess that's why the FBI thinks no calls were made.

www.geocities.com

She didn't call collect from her cell phone,--again--such call are unnecessary, the call is automatically billed to the cell phone--collect calls are unnecessary. Also--she supposedly called Ted before she got on the plane--she had his cell phone number---why wouldn't she call that number? There are no records of this cell phone call. Not from her cell p[hone--not from the DOJ records of incoming calls--and not from the panes phone that flight personnel use. So says the FBI.

Ok I am about to throw shit at the wall Maybe something will stick. Maybe Ted Olson WANTED to believe that His Wife called Him and He said so to placate a troubled mind. Deaths of loved ones makes people think strange thoughts about communications that never existed. I don't know maybe I am just talking out of My ass again.

Larry

Larry

Possible, but very unlikely--especially when confronted with the fact that no records exist for any such call. Even if the plane had had seatback phones--they aren't activated without a credit card--even to call an operator--and once the card is swiped through, the call is charged to the card--again--no records. Without this phone call---there is no tie to Arabs with boxcutters. No tie to bin laden. This whole deal stinks and Americans could give a shit less.

This whole deal stinks and Americans could give a shit less.

There are several things about that day that were given questionable explanations, but people aren't really willing to look at the various instances of strange occurrences.

They're happy with the government's official explanation because it makes things simple. Brown people hate us because of our freedoms. Brown people hijacked airplanes. Brown people flew them into buildings. Don't mind the man behind the curtain.

PNAC caused 9/11 to push through their agenda.

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