Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

Families carrying photos of lost loved ones streamed into a plaza near ground zero in New York City Friday to observe the eighth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. The attacks, which began at 8:46 A.M when the first plane struck the World Trade Center's north tower, killed 2,752 in New York, 184 at the Pentagon and 40 people in Pennsylvania. Live video of the ceremony.

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As a NJ resident who watched this from across the river and spent the entire day hoping, wishing and praying for telephone calls from everyone he knew over there....
Why the F*CK is it taboo for the media (Left? No, even Fox will not show it!) to show the video clips of this attack?
Washington D.C. people know my point and God bless you.
The one-month stink of burning in downtown NYC is something I will never forget.
The political stink of "don't show that on television again...it hurts out cause" is also something I will never forget. That odor lasts far more than one-month.

G O D BLESS those who perished due to inaction by our inattentive and egocentric governmental
leaders.

GOD BLESS those NYC Police, Fire, EMT, and other Emegerncy Personnel who gave their lives trying to save the Trade Center workers.

GOD BLESS those nearly 3000 American victims sacrificed due Political Correctness, and leftardissness.

Due to politikal korektness, we redeneck/whitesupremicists/ anti-progressives will hope to create an "NORMAL WORLD ORDER",(TM)

The Obamassiah sheeple don't realize that taxpayers will pay taxes to create these jobs.

This means that any job that O-Man say he is craeting is a Gov't job.

Private sector jobs will not be created under a HIGH TAX atnmosphere.

Low taxes and incentives to create growth in the economy will improvfe the job structure.

Higher taxes, more recipients of gov't largess (tax payer to non-tax payer), will be a struggle.

In less than TEN (10yrs) we have forgotten our brothers and sisters who have fallen THEY were NOT mercenaries fighting a war.

THEY WERE CITIZENS GOING TO WORK.







s that those new Obama jobs are public jobs (If They Are Actually Created by OBAMA , HaHaHaHa!!!!

9/11/01
R.I.P.

jrod,"Obama blah blah blah,blah blah blah"

Too funny. Jrod is a walking, talking self-retort.

JROD really doesn't care about the fallen. If He did He wouldn't politisize their deaths. It's quite telling who actually cares about the Victims on 9-11-01 and who doesn't by the way they reflect upon those who have lost their lives so tragically.

Larry

Hey jrod?

Who had control of the Whitehouse AND Congress on 9/11/2001?

George W Dumshit and the rethuglicunts.


THEY are to blame for what happened-they were repeatedly warned-and ignored the warnings.
And because they CHOSE to ignore the warnings-they CHOSE responsibility for the attack on American soil.

Your attempt at revisionism is pathetic-and shows how weak minded you are.

"s that those new Obama jobs are public jobs (If They Are Actually Created by OBAMA , HaHaHaHa!!!!
#2 | Posted by JROD at 2009-09-11 02:35 AM"

Well, that didn't take long...

RIP

As other people were angry I was happy on that day. I remember being excited that there was possibly going to be a change in the way society operated. Too bad it never occurred.

I wonder if Ayers will lead the memorial service at the Pentagon?

Obama has been president exactly as long today as Bush on 9/11/2001.

We need to take security more seriously than we take it. Not through never-ending military adventures, but the actual pursuit of terror plots in this country and terror encampments abroad.

The way to honor those lost on 9/11 is to ensure it does not happen again.

I think seven minutes of silence should be observed every 9-11.

never forget:

www.bibleprobe.com

911 could have been a great opportunity for America we wasted it.

Rcade says something of value for one. Too bad his exalted leader does not buy in but Glenn Beck does. ;0)

Remember

The truth is, there are things about that day, I'd like to forget.

I wasn't anywhere near the attacks, but I had 6 different live un-edited satellite feeds coming in, that showed some very grisly stuff.

I won't forget, but I wish I could.



I wonder how many have died since 911? How many children have been slaughtered for the ancient lie?

I only have one reason to observe any reverance for the victims of 911. They were innocent victims who died not by their own hand or action. That's it. Now, let's talk about the several orders of magnitude of people that have died in order to perpetuate the lie.

Oh, sorry, that interferes with the guilt-denial-resolution cycle that the media assures us WE MUST FEEL. Only there is no resolution outside of blind faith and extreme ignorance.

This is what we have become in our desire to make all the pieces fit into a puzzle that produces no image, offers no solution.

(now, lets break for this commercial interruption)

'Hey, wanna make your hemmoroids shiney and fresh? Just use Hemmor-Glow. Please ask your doctor before using. Side effects include a sweaty right armpit, bifurcated tongue and a tendency to want to kill that which you know nothing about. Images of satan dressed in satin have also been reported'.

#1

Jrod, you really are a special type of a_hole.

R.I.P.

And FrankF2.5, S.T.F.U.

#17

your point is an important one. While this happened in my back yard, literally, what we've chosen to do in their names...

People may get mad but we in a way brought 9/11 on ourselves with our continued support of Israel. Had we chose a different approach 9/11 may have never happened.

New Yorkers, for about two weeks after, would make eye contact with one another. It was very bizarre.

What a horrific day 9/11 was.

A lot of good people died that day for absoultely no reason other than irrational and evil hatred.


Best prayers and wishes to the fallen and their loved ones who suffered loss.

so, by your reasoning, rasta - we SHOULD allow islamofacism to rule who we do and do not support?

New Yorkers, for about two weeks after, would make eye contact with one another. It was very bizarre.
#22 | Posted by yougothurt

I remember hearing about that. I didn't make it back to the US until November so I didn't experience it. I remember crying as my plane descended to Kennedy.

I wonder if Ayers will lead the memorial service at the Pentagon?

#10 | Posted by American1st

I wonder if you have a brain.

I wonder if Tosser celebrated?

What a way to support the fallen by making it a political shit throwing fest. Sighhhhhhhh

Larry

so, by your reasoning, rasta - we SHOULD allow islamofacism to rule who we do and do not support?

#24 | Posted by nanc


We shouldn't support the terrorist nation of Israel anyways. We avoid sending money to an evil nation while not getting attacked by an extremist group. Sounds like a win all around to me.

The way to honor those lost on 9/11 is to ensure it does not happen again.
#11 | Posted by rcade

Instead, Washington's militaristic foreign policy raises the risks that it will happen again


What a way to support the fallen by making it a political shit throwing fest. Sighhhhhhhh


Larry

#28 | Posted by LarryMohr

True.

I was in heading into Chicago that day for a meeting a block away from the Sears Tower.The events happened while I was about 10 miles from Washington Ave. We watched the Towers collapse at the Office and I was asked to escort 15 women to catch the train at Union Station. The streets were empty as everyone was at Union Station trying to get out of downtown. I'll never forget.

Damn Saudi's. Why haven't we punished the perpetrators?

GOD BLESS those nearly 3000 American victims sacrificed due Political Correctness, and leftardissness.

#2 | Posted by JROD

Damn! Only Americans were killed in the four aircraft and the World Trade Center? Must have been an international day off for everybody except Americans.

Or perhaps you are implying that only American deaths counted on that day.

Instead, Washington's militaristic foreign policy raises the risks that it will happen again.
#30 | Posted by Ray

Oh my god... I agree with Ray.

I remember looking to the sky thinking, "Damn, no one is flying today."

We shouldn't support the terrorist nation of Israel anyways.

#29 | Posted by jackass

Do you play chess?

My Grandmother couldn't get through to my Mom, her only daughter. I called on 3 way, and my Grandmother was a little better. This was within 15 minutes of the first crash.
I'll never forget the fear in her voice, even though she was thousands of miles away.

Look up "Sujo John" and his survival story from 9/11.
It's one of the best.

The way to honor those lost on 9/11 is to ensure it does not happen again.

#11 | Posted by rcade

You mean like actually scrambling our Ready Alert fighter aircraft the next time?


New Yorkers, for about two weeks after, would make eye contact with one another. It was very bizarre.

#22 | Posted by yougothurt


There is a 'junk-science' (some say it's junk, I think it has some wierd meaning which I do not understand yet) called kinesiology.

I basically states that your soul (you have to say soul because the physical mechanism is not known) whereby certain things are intuitively known. It's the feeling you get when you meet someone, and without any fore-knowledge, you know they are not to be trusted.

NY's, for all their hard hearts and toughness, knew instinctively the lie that was playing out. But what good is harming yet more people, by talking about the lie, when it will not bring back one single soul that was wrongfully killed?

Ok, the mourning is over. Open your eyes and let's do America's bidding for once.

BTW, according to the science of kinesiology, the 2 documents that score the highest on the intuitive scale are the christian bible and the american state documents (in that order). Isn't it ironic that those were the two things that have been killed in our modern times?

How about we observe a one day moratorium on all this left/right bullshit in memory of those who died eight years ago? How about we show some class and civility to those who lost someone that day? Hmmm? Or are you all so hooked on the koolaid that you mutts can't let go of the bone?

A special kick in the teeth to JROD for being a totally partisan douche bag. Scoring cheap political points on the bodies of those who died that day takes a special kind of person.

I called on 3 way, and my Grandmother was a little better.

#37 | Posted by kirk at 2009-09-11 09:31 AM | Reply


You had a 3 way with your grandma? Damn, you Christians like to get your freak on! On 9/11 EVEN! God Damn!

"What has been seen cannot be unseen" fits this day so well.

Some may want to find other reasons for it, but what we know is that it was a horrible day for Americans. One we should remember for the courage of those who were trying to save those who were just going about their daily lives.

And remember how the lives of innocents throughout our country were forever changed.

It isn't a day for service; it is a day of rememberance.

#42 |


Some people will forever be thirteen years old.

Thank you, Larry, for attempting to maintain some decorum. And as for you, 101, your childish attempts at humor make me want to ... um... well, ok, laugh.

My wife and I were chatting on Yahoo! at the time, me being at work and her being a SAHM. She made me come home as she was terrified. When I got there her first thought was of my parents so we went to their house to make sure they were dealing with the events OK. We got there and it turned out to be my parents calming my wife and telling her everything is fine, you'll be fine. See the thing is this: I'm British, my folks got bombed around the clock by Hitler for months on end. A couple planes hitting buildings was nothing to them. They were on the cusp of pure amusement at our anxiety. As always perception is everything.

"NY's, for all their hard hearts and toughness, knew instinctively the lie that was playing out. But what good is harming yet more people, by talking about the lie, when it will not bring back one single soul that was wrongfully killed?"

how would it harm more people to call out the lie for what it is?

This 911 good will is making me ill.

They were on the cusp of pure amusement at our anxiety. As always perception is everything.
#46 | Posted by boyracer_x

Sounds to me like they just lack empathy. There's a clinical term for that.

This 911 good will is making me ill.

#48 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-11 09:52 AM | Reply | Flag: passes Jackass a bucket.

Well it bugs the shit out of Me when at a memorial people opine negatively to the dead or for the reasons for their deaths(If it's of a violent nature) When I go to a cememtery My Car sterio is turned off My voice is lowered and no ill talk will take place. Oh and no walking upon the graves that is forbidden (which is becoming increasingly hard because one may be buried north to south and right next to Him or Her another is buried east to west,) It's the way I was raised.


This 911 good will is making me ill.

#48 | Posted by jackass


Why don't you ge the fuck out of this thread then?

Hope that helps you.

As other people were angry I was happy on that day. I remember being excited that there was possibly going to be a change in the way society operated. Too bad it never occurred.

#9 | Posted by jackass

Care to explain that or are you going to leve it up to my imagnation?

Sniper, Jackass is just trolling around. I know because I troll around somethimes, but not on this thread.

I wonder how many have died since 911? How many children have been slaughtered for the ancient lie?
#17 Lipizoidal

I know!
We kill 3,000 babies every day.
What if we reaped what we've sown just one day out of 365 x 36 years?
Stop the slaughter of children.


"BTW, according to the science of kinesiology, the 2 documents that score the highest on the intuitive scale are the christian bible and the american state documents (in that order). Isn't it ironic that those were the two things that have been killed in our modern times?"
#40 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2009-09-11 09:34 AM |

Let me make sure I understand you...the Bible and the Bill of Rights and Constitution are lies? Are dead? Are false?
According to you


This 911 good will is making me ill.

#48 | Posted by jackass

Now you know how the rest of us feel reading your childish, tough guy bullshit every day.

"How about we observe a one day moratorium on all this left/right bullshit in memory of those who died eight years ago? How about we show some class and civility to those who lost someone that day? Hmmm? Or are you all so hooked on the koolaid that you mutts can't let go of the bone?"

Thank you for that. Why in a thread titled "Remember" are we ripping each other and playing the same fucking game.

At the same time, "We will never forget" should mean that we don't _need_ to see the video anymore. The thousand or so times I saw it were enough to burn it into my brain.

And the faces of New Yorkers on the day and in the weeks following are similarly seared.

Here at school, one of our student leaders asked for a moment of silence. He said some nice things on the loudspeaker, all about remembering the loss. NOTHING political, and this is a thinking, rational, mostly rightwing kid who used to be a Bush booster and is now a serious 18-year-old skeptic. He injected NO politics (because he knows it wasn't appropriate on the loudspeaker, you might say, but I will tell you that he would not play the game the way so many of us do here, not in public nor private conversation--this is a young man who make adults think; we could all learn from him).

This 911 good will is making me ill.#48 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-11 09:52 AM | Reply

Then go find another website or thread.

#41 | POSTED BY DUTCH46
------------

Agreed. For all the bad that went down 8 years ago, at least we all felt like we were on the same team. Now we're more divided than ever. What a waste.

"The thousand or so times I saw it were enough to burn it into my brain."

Be glad you were in the US where they eventually put a stop to showing footage of people jumping out of the buildings.

I was in Peru, the showed that stuff non stop for months.

Then go find another website or thread.
#58 | Posted by kirk

Look who's talking. Aren't you the same a_hole who posted #55.

What a way to support the fallen by making it a political shit throwing fest. Sighhhhhhhh

Larry

#28 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-09-11 09:21 AM | Reply | Flag: IN RARE AGREEMENT WITH LARRY


R.I.P. you who died that day. Regardless of political bullshit leanings I think everyone wishes you well.

www.youtube.com

I'm sure other have seen the special that was run that showed never before seen footage. It was like living it all over again but different. Seeing footage of people jumping from the buildings to their deaths is something I will never forget. Probably the most interestingly sad thing I have ever witnessed.

"I was in Peru, the showed that stuff non stop for months."

Intriguing. Why? (Not why were you there--though I am curious, but why did they keep showing it?)

'Hey, wanna make your hemmoroids shiney and fresh? Just use Hemmor-Glow. Please ask your doctor before using. Side effects include a sweaty right armpit, bifurcated tongue and a tendency to want to kill that which you know nothing about. Images of satan dressed in satin have also been reported'.


#17 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2009-09-11


Jrod, you really are a special type of a_hole.

#18 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine at 2009


Uh..hagbard...lipzod is the author of a special piece of shit statement,
I disagree with post #1

call it both ways or stay off the subject

RIP.

May we never forget this day as long a we and our offspring shall live. And to serve as a reminder for the world we should always have massive military bases installed in the middle east to make everyone understand WE MEAN BUSINESS. If you are going to come to our country and fly another plane into on of our buildings, we are gonna come after you.


People may get mad but we in a way brought 9/11 on ourselves with our continued support of Israel. Had we chose a different approach 9/11 may have never happened.

#21 | Posted by jackass at 2009-

thats right...we should have just looked the other way while millions of jews were exterminated
OOPS...we did in the 30's.......now WHO was in office for almost the entire decade???

This 911 good will is making me ill.


#48 | Posted by jackass


Now you know how the rest of us feel reading your childish, tough guy bullshit every day.

#56 | Posted by wisgod at 2009-09-11


Im going to speak FOR jackass.
I hope he continues to join so many others here who spew "childish, tough guy bullshit' everyday.
it reminds us that we are on the right side of this issue

and my only comment other than God Bless all of those who perished is this

THIS MORNING ON CNN

they made it official as they said REPEATEDLY and in print.

NO FURTHER ATTACKS ON US SOIL since September,11, 2001.

so if CNN says it...well how can libs here say otherwise.

oh yeah..the MOST horiffic scene I remember was the people jumping in order to keep from burning to death...THATS the inmage that makes my blood boil but not about Us but about the terrorist in afghanistan who I believe its timely and okay to mention here are still there and still plotting to kill us.

Agreed. For all the bad that went down 8 years ago, at least we all felt like we were on the same team.
Posted by the_nether

That was the one bright spot that came out of this tradgedy.

love and peace to the victims of 911
and to those innocents that have died since.


too bad there are tons of people here who are bent on making sure we stay divided instead of remembering the Unity that 911 brought us.

terrorists aren't our real threat

we ourselves are.

"There is no cure for birth and death save to enjoy the interval.." - George Santayana

You know You find out how truly people feel about the victims on 9-11-01 by how they are remembered. The ones who throw political feces do they really care?? Or is it just another time to thump their chests and proclaim they are assholes. Sighhhhhhhh

Larry

Never forget.
I will never forget this day 8 years ago. This is where it all began for me from the 82nd ABN DIV to the 173rd in Vicenza Italy. Deployments in Afghanistan and Iraq. Brothers sisters friends and brethren who have paid the ultimate sacrifice. All gave some, Some gave all.


okay to mention here are still there and still plotting to kill us.

#70 | Posted by afkabl2

Yes, of course, those bearded cavemen who throw stones are a mortal threat to a military that can kill by remote control.

The scope and depth of your ignorance is breath-taking. It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious. But, I'm not worried, people who can think all on their own, know that your philosophy is paranoia personified brought on by too much hate, arrogance and self-righteousness.


I flipped on the TV that morning and wondered what a movie about plane crashes into tall buildings was doing on so early.

It took several minutes to realize that these were news reports.

GW abandoned the trail of bin Laden in Afghanistan to take care of some personal business in Iraq, so the idea of swift justice for the attacks was never realized.

Revenge, however, is a dish best served cold (Old Klingon proverb by Khaless the unforgettable.)and is really secondary to making sure that these type of attacks don't happen again.

Which can be accomplished mainly by making as sure as we can that there is no reason for anyone to want to make these attacks.

Spud remembers a time during that day when people were leaping to their death from the towers rather than be burned alive.

For a brief time you could hear them landing with a sickening continual plop plop kinda sound in the background audio portion of the live vid stream on some networks.

Spud never wants to hear that sound again.

Spud remembers and honors the nearly 3,000 who fell on that day.

RIP.

Be Well.

Seems a lot of the folks here have nice things to say about the victims......

The CIA has removed many of it's standard spooks from the western areas of Pakistan and is replacing them with retired CIA opps people.... I guess they finally figured out that the college boys don't have a frigging clue... Like I have been saying for the last eight years......

They're putting old street smart grunts on the ground..... Guys who will lay in the bush for weeks and not worrie and bitch and complain about the bugs or that their nuts itch....


OBL........ Dead man walking.....

We shall have what we were looking for soon enough.....


Good hunting boys!

911 will not be over until the world is radical Islamic (cutting off women's feet for showing an ankle, etc...), or until MUSLIMS THEMSELVES kill their violent radicals (not just their governments killing the Osamas, but even the remote tribesmen killing the Osamas).

Until that day comes, only violence, and nothing except violence, will keep the thugs at bay.

Such fights can last for over a thousand years. They can be ended by victory or surrender ("victory" includes THEM accepting a live and let live philosophy and then a face saving 'political' settlement...)

I was in the WTC

Two months before it happened.

I remember the skyline, the maps of NY up at the top indicating special places while you gazed out upon the city.

I remember people wanting to go home immediately.

I remember friends saying they'd sign up - just point to an enemy.

I remember going into classrooms because they didn't hear the news and informing them to stay tuned for further information.

I remember watching some live and afterward, all the taped material.

I remember the passport being found on the ground of one of the terrorists.

I remember watching a rebroadcast of the news the WTC7 collapsed, before it did.

I remember hearing someone say 'pull it' before WTC7 collapsed.

I remember evidence of who did it coming out immediately, the fastest collection of evidence ever gathered in the shortest amount of time.

I remember Fox news reporting dancing Israelis in NJ only to hear they were let go and left the US.

I remember the inaction of the miliary taking flight.

I remember certain family members being allowed to leave the US while everything was grounded.

I remember that people said it could never be an inside job, that the secret couldn't have been kept this long and the Plutonium Files: America's Secret Medical Experiments in the Cold War

I remember problems with the 9/11 commission and their data and their supposedly, thorough investigation.

I remember the flags that no longer fly.

I remember, because the flag still flies at my house.

I remember because I chose not to forget.


You know You find out how truly people feel about the victims on 9-11-01 by how they are remembered. The ones who throw political feces do they really care?? Or is it just another time to thump their chests and proclaim they are assholes. Sighhhhhhhh


Larry

#74 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009


good morning larry

I am sure you are talking about BOTH sides in your 'sighfull' feelings?

Fox News has used this morning remembrance to try to change the status of former President Bush. They have tried to honor this clown an his service on 9/11, HISTORY will not let these clowns get away with that.

Once again Fox has shown that it is not a News Organization, but an arm of the Republican Party. Megan Kelly this ignorant C**T, took time during the ceremonies to say that Fox would not show the attack because it would be taking advantage of the tragedy, WTF!!!!! This Bitch an Fox News knew that MSNBC was showing the TODAY SHOW from 9/11/2001. This from Fox is unbelievable, another slam on MSNBC for showing the Today show from that horrible day, GROW UP MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!!

Fox News deals in TERROR, an keeping Americans in constant fear. The President proclaimed that from here forth 9/11 will be a day of "SERVICE AND REMEMBERANCE"...Who would find fault with that, WELL FOX NEWS THATS WHO!!!! This Network in its Website has complained that this President has tried to diminish the 9/11 memorial an what the day should mean. WHAT WORLD DOES THESE FUCKING ASSHOLES LIVE IN !!!!!!!!!!

The scope and depth of your ignorance is breath-taking. It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious. But, I'm not worried, people who can think all on their own, know that your philosophy is paranoia personified brought on by too much hate, arrogance and self-righteousness.


#76 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2009-09-11 10


and your naivte much like goddamn democrats and the fucking liar in the white house will only get more killed. and then you will come back and spew more liberal fuck bullshit and invent someone else to blame it on.
and thats whats sad about the issue as well
dupes like you who still dont get it.

I am sure you are talking about BOTH sides in your 'sighfull' feelings?

Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-11 10:59 AM | Reply

I don't give a fuck who it is BL2. You don't stick Your dick out in a cemetery and piss on their graves do you??

Larry

PETROUS

post 81

well done

WHAT WORLD DOES THESE FUCKING ASSHOLES LIVE IN !!!!!!!!!!


#83 | Posted by celisary at 2009-09-11 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:


and the world you live in completely forgets the things that blowjob billy did that created the environment that we were in at that time.
they , like you, ignore it because that would mean 'you' would have to say something bad about that liar. and your integrity, along with that media, doesnt just suffer..its nonexistant

The world lost a lot that day, and has lost a lot every day since in retaliation to that day.

I don't give a fuck who it is BL2. You don't stick Your dick out in a cemetery and piss on their graves do you??


Larry

#85 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009

well I have to admit that I did once..

my best friend, who died of cancer, at the golf course, but it was a pact we made while drunk at the end of a 45 hole golf outing.
he said if you make this putt, you can piss on my grave. I said ..'your on' and the putt hit the hole and did a 360 and fell in

and well

a bets a bet....

and I should also tell you
I was weeping the whole time at the loss of my friend of 30 years.

Every now and then I'll be watching a pre-9/11 movie and see the twin towers still standing. The memories sure come rushing back when that happens, sometimes the movie will be a comedy and it ruins a bit of it for me.

Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh L8r

"a bets a bet...."

Pretty good story.

I know what you mean Danni. The Simpsons Episode :Homer vs New York is all about the WTC and it is a painful one to watch still to this day.

I like to be a nice guy to other people but I think we should force our culture way of life on the middle eastern peoples whether they like it or not. And if anyone would disagree I'd point to the big hole in downtown Manhattan as proof of what would happen if we act like a bunch of Neville Chamberlains and run away. We might have to do dark things every now and then, but rationalizing the dark things as necessary is the only way to save our freedom and liberties for us and future generations here in this country.


how would it harm more people to call out the lie for what it is?

#47 | Posted by Hagbard_Celine

Consider the way the lie is still not exposed. If the lie is exposed, then you have to do something about it.

And that something involves (as kifferd said) looking at the true enemy - ourselves. No one wants to do that. It's easier to see how our neighbor is ruining our life than to look within to see how we are ruining our lives.

So, we have a dilemna. Do you damage the larger truth to punish a small lie? Or do you let the small lie, like a cancer, slowly become inflamed and infected only to eventually destroy the larger truth? Sadly, we have chosen the latter. Yet, with all our intellect, strength and good intentions, the ancient words are still true.

'To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:'

Haggie, There is a time to punish those who use lies to justify killing our brothers. It is correct and proper to do so. We have not done that yet, still. This is the cancer. If we ignore it, maybe it will cure itself. But forget about politics for second. Just look at how the cancer has infected us so far and it shows no signs of abating.

We cannot, let me repeat, cannot achieve closure by killing Dick Cheney or W. It will not bring back one single soul of the millions killed based on the lie. You can only achieve closure by killing the ideal that Dick Cheney and W stand for.

This is what Americans intuitively, but not intellectually, know. That is, the americans that are strong, smart and spiritually connected. The rest are only trying to play the very difficult game of follow the leader.


dupes like you who still dont get it.

#84 | Posted by afkabl2


I do get it. But I have to water it down to make it palatable.

Babies will die if you try to feed them meat before they grow teeth.

But when they become men, they should put away childish things.

"I think we should force our culture way of life on the middle eastern peoples whether they like it or not. "

#95 | Posted by DukeMantee

Okay... I'll bite. How would you accomplish this?

I remember evidence of who did it coming out immediately, the fastest collection of evidence ever gathered in the shortest amount of time.

This is typical of the leftist mind set....... Dude.... The moment I looked at the TV and saw a plane hit the WTC.... I had three words come out of my mouth.... Osama Bin Laden..... That is the problem with you leftist idiots... You have no clue what the hell is going on in the world.... You never heard of bin laden until 9/11 because you have your head so far up your ass.

In 1993 Mr Bin Laden financed the first attempt to bring down the WTC... They blew up a car bomb in the basement and killes several people doing it....

Anybody with half a brain would think that they were coming back to finish the job.... Not you on the left though..... You want to blame Americans for it..... You sir and the people who follow you are IDIOTS....


Every now and then I'll be watching a pre-9/11 movie and see the twin towers still standing. The memories sure come rushing back when that happens, sometimes the movie will be a comedy and it ruins a bit of it for me.

#91 | Posted by danni


I notice this any time there is a movie with the Twin Towers in them.

To all the fallen--the firemen, policemen, port authority officials, family members--

We will never forget.

Oh the left has forgotten my friend.... Probably because they never gave a damn in the first place.

Any American with an ounce of decency will show respect for those who died on this date 8 years ago, regardless of the Obama/Bush bullshit. The efforts of the firemen that day are especially meaningful to me since I have two in my close family who I know would have done the same.

RIP.

I remember looking to the sky thinking, "Damn, no one is flying today."

#35 | Posted by Ron_Karate


Except of course the Bin Laden family on their way out of the country. That's not suspicious at all.



I think we should force our culture way of life on the middle eastern peoples whether they like it or not. And if anyone would disagree I'd point to the big hole in downtown Manhattan as proof of what would happen if we act like a bunch of Neville Chamberlains and run away.

#95 | Posted by DukeMantee


How mny dead Iraqi children are worth your saftey?

The initial Bombing of the World trade center in the early 1990's was a crime an those were caught and as we speak are in Jail an will never be released. The Bombing of the COLE caused the lives of 17 Americans, this was to small amount to get the American Public interested in a a war of revenge. So Bill Clinton would not have had the support of the American people, like Mr. Bush had with the deaths of 3,000 people on 9/11......

Prior to the 1990's Mr. Ronald Reagan the GOD of the Conservative right, condemned 275 AMERICAN MARINES to their deaths, an did nothing but turn the other cheek an run home from Lebanon, the fucking Coward could have done something to fight terror an make a stand there instead he CUT AN RAN!!!!!

How many more people were killed by the terrorist that cause that killing in Lebanon???? But not to be deterred Mr. Reagan returned home an within a week ATTACKED THE CARIBBEAN NATION OF GRANADA!!!!! THIS PATHETIC HUMAN BEING IS THE Hero of the Right, what a fucking ASSHOLE!!!!

How mny dead Iraqi children are worth your saftey?

#105 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2009-09-11 11:36 AM | Reply


How many Iraqi children are there? Regardless of the number, that's my answer.

How many Iraqi children are there? Regardless of the number, that's my answer.

#107 | Posted by 101Chairborne

Anyone care to give a real answer?

That is the REAL answer and any other answer is dishonest. There is not one person here who would die to save an Iraqi child.


Every now and then I'll be watching a pre-9/11 movie and see the twin towers still standing. The memories sure come rushing back when that happens, sometimes the movie will be a comedy and it ruins a bit of it for me.

#91 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-11 11:08 AM |


I agree younf lady...remember its only when im taking a REMOTE LAP but they show it on 'freinds' reruns..


and the story of me and my golfing buddy is ..sadly..true...

I miss him everytime I even think about golf

That was a real answer. I don't care about anyone outside of the USA.
Kepp our efforts focused here and keep our money here.


That is the REAL answer and any other answer is dishonest. There is not one person here who would die to save an Iraqi child.

#109 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-09-11 11:43 AM | Reply |


Exactamundo.

You sound like the giant douchebag I always thought you were.

#104 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-11 11:34 AM |


well gee...I guess I should have thought twice about revealing that personal story then because we all just CANT survive without some fucking dipshit like you agreeing with us or even listening to us.

yeah right...

if it were me, I would have expected the same from him...............a bets a bet..or is going back on your word something you are familiar with.

101 wants to kill all children to keep himself safe. Iraqis had nothing to do with 911--but kill them anyway. Maybe the Russian children will be a threat--might as well kill them too since they are just as dangerous as the Iraqi children. Then of course, you have to kill all the German children since they have a history of killing Americans when they grow up. Might as well kill all the American children too, since we know that there are many American terrorists living among us---the Morrow building didn't blow itself up. What a pants pisser. An evil pants pisser at that---I'm surprised his hands stop shaking with fear long enough to type out his fear of children the world over.

Prior to the 1990's Mr. Ronald Reagan the GOD of the Conservative right, condemned 275 AMERICAN MARINES to their deaths, an did nothing but turn the other cheek an run home from Lebanon, the fucking Coward could have done something to fight terror an make a stand there instead he CUT AN RAN!!!!!


How many more people were killed by the terrorist that cause that killing in Lebanon???? But not to be deterred Mr. Reagan returned home an within a week ATTACKED THE CARIBBEAN NATION OF GRANADA!!!!! THIS PATHETIC HUMAN BEING IS THE Hero of the Right, what a fucking ASSHOLE!!!!

#106 | Posted by celisary at 2009-09-11


you ignorant reason for abortion

you have no fucking clue .

if you had read anything at all you would know that we left lebanon because the DEMOCRAT congress refused to provide even the most basic of aid to that country

and because of that what happened?
or do you even know?
syria basically took over in some influence or the other, until rather recently...

There is not one person here who would die to save an Iraqi child.

#109 | Posted by kanrei

But that's not the question. We're killing Iraqis and Afghans in record numbers just under the chance it will prevent another 3000 deaths. I for one would rather take that risk then have another innocent die in my name.

BoOB really needs to STFU today of all days.

The jumpers were nuts. You can buy low altitude chutes now. I suggest if you work in a high office you get one.

But that's not the question.

But that was the question.



How mny dead Iraqi children are worth your saftey?


#105 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2009-09-11 11:36 AM


Your question says that dead Iraqi children will lead to my safety and you are asking how many are worth it.

MSNBC is running original media coverage right now.

and do you know ONE FUCKIN THING about the liberal icon..FDR

and not just the imprisonment of americans

JUST HIt the chapter yesterday on TRUMAN that talked about the FBI paying him a visit soon after he took over

the fbi UNDER FDR"S instructions had a MASSIVE phone tap on americans all over the country and the one that came to trumans attention was information on the wife of a white house AIDE.
truman told the fbi that this was to stop immidiately much to the anger of J edgar.

so you want to talk shit about presidents..

BRING IT ON bitch.....


MSNBC is running original media coverage right now.

#120 | Posted by briwo at 2009-09-11 11:52 AM

Still burned in my brain and something I still do not want to see again. Glad they are showing it though because it is important.

if it were me, I would have expected the same from him...............a bets a bet..or is going back on your word something you are familiar with.

#113 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-11 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag


There WAS NO BET. What would you have lost if the putt hadn't gone in. Let's look at it again---I missed the BET part.

he said if you make this putt, you can piss on my grave. I said ..'your on' and the putt hit the hole and did a 360 and fell in

and well

a bets a bet....

and I should also tell you
I was weeping the whole time at the loss of my friend of 30 years.

#90 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-11 11:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

There was no bet from what you described. The bet wasn't that you HAD to piss on his grave. He just said you CAN piss on his grave. What if you had missed the putt? What would you have lost?

For me to make a bet about pissing on my best friends grave, I would have to be on the LOSING end of the bet, and the bet would have to be substantial---I wouldn't wasnt to WIN a bet that had me pissing on my best friends grave. I would never make such a bet.

You sound like the giant douchebag I always thought you were.


101 wants to kill all children to keep himself safe.

#114 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-11 11:49 AM | Reply


BoOb can't read, nor can he remeber his pledge to never respond to my posts.


MSNBC is running original media coverage right now.

#120 | Posted by briwo at 2009


thats great
fox was doing that early this morning and I say that not JUST to 'gig' you but because its important

all of that footage shouls be shown more often.
it is pretty frightening isnt it?

Your question says that dead Iraqi children will lead to my safety and you are asking how many are worth it.

#119 | Posted by kanrei

Correct, but your answer was...

There is not one person here who would die to save an Iraqi child.

#109 | Posted by kanrei

I didn't ask who would die to save an Iraqi child. That implies your death is imminent if that child doesn't die. It isn't. We are killing those people on the off chance that somehow that will make us safer.

Great scene.

Dancing on the rooftop of the WTC.

Godspell.

BoOB really needs to STFU today of all days.

C'mon, kanrei, you have to admit he is one of the major sources of amusement here. I know it's simple minded, keystone cops level of humor, but his repeating of "two countries" brings a smile to my face everytime. It's not the concept, but the fact that anyone can be so oblivious to the irony in that statement that makes it so funny.

Then there are the old standbys like smokestacks on the moon and fake moon landings. He's great, that ignorant bOoB of ours.

Speaking of two countries, I wonder if he's kicked jackass out yet or if bOoBistan is still pop 2?

I didn't ask who would die to save an Iraqi child. That implies your death is imminent if that child doesn't die.
#126 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2009-09-11 11:55 AM

You are talking about my saftey in a thread remembering 9-11, if not talking about my death, then what are you talking about. Please, today of all days, keep the goalposts in the same place.

so I was in a car going from the high school I was teaching to a middle school feeder to help teach a class..
just like the science class I was in that November day in 1963.

the rest of the day was spent muttering.

"some ragheaded motherfuckers are gonna die because of this"

and see...one of the things I have taken from my time here at the old retort is I dont use the term ragheads anymore...
how about that rcade....you HAVE done some good..LOL

BoOb can't read, nor can he remeber his pledge to never respond to my posts.

da bOoB definitely has memory issues. That was one of the first things I figured out about him.


BoOB really needs to STFU today of all days.

#117 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-09-11 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag

I'm one of the few who want to know what happened. I guess that makes me unAmerican in your eyes---I'll accept that. You don't really need to know---or really care about the 3000 that died that day or the thouisands that have died since then--no investgation needed---just like Bush. You are the scum of the Earth in my eyes--so we are even.

BoOb can't read, nor can he remeber his pledge to never respond to my posts.

#124 | Posted by 101Chairborne

He doesn't seem to have a problem reading The Onion.

BoOB is reading and commenting on me too. ROFLMAO. Like I am really going to waste time with his response.

How about you go start a thread all about you BoOB and leave this one for the adults to remember a tragic day and try to heal the country a little?

---I wouldn't wasnt to WIN a bet that had me pissing on my best friends grave. I would never make such a bet.

for at least a couple of reasons...

1. you have no friends
2. if you ever played golf you would get beaten to death before the turn by the others in your group.

I'm one of the few who want to know what happened.

???

You used to claim to know what happened: Thermite, jews dancing in the street, airliners modified to have missle launchers, little orange dots, molten puddles of steel, phone calls from the plane, etc.

Is this your bad memory again, or do you now claim that your original scenario is flawed and you need time to come up with a new conspiracy?

Hard to keep up with you, bOoB.

You are talking about my saftey in a thread remembering 9-11, if not talking about my death, then what are you talking about. Please, today of all days, keep the goalposts in the same place.

#129 | Posted by kanrei

You're the one changing and misinterpeting the meaning of my question. Let me rephrase it.

How many Iraqi children would you kill to prevent another 9/11?

I have the feeling that your answer would be the same. That makes you a Xenophobe and a Nationalist in my book. And also a freedom hating wimp. Freedom is dangerous. I always would prefer it over security though.

I had hoped 9/11 would cause our country to descend into chaos. Sadly it didn't work. I imagined a society where I could obtain the goods I want not what I can afford. I was thinking we might have anarchy. Sadly it never happened.

"BoOB really needs to STFU today of all days."

Yeah, but Goatman might commit suicide. Good idea.

RIP to all the victims, and some measure of peace to their loved ones who will always have a heavy heart.

Freedom is dangerous. I always would prefer it over security though.

you heartless conservative!!!

-the left

Anyone care to give a real answer?

#108 | Posted by TFDNihilist

Don't encourage the 101 by responding to It. It is deeply disturbed/ing.


How about you go start a thread all about you BoOB and leave this one for the adults to remember a tragic day and try to heal the country a little?

#135 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-09-11 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag

You must have missed the part where I changed the rules of the list to where I can choose to respond to people who talk to me first. If you don't want any interaction with me---leave my name out of your posts. For you to even mention 911 sickens me---you are the biggest supporter of the terrorists who attacked us that day by your protection of them and failure to find out what really happened. You disgust me with your hypocrisy---wave the flag as you protect those who attacked us that day.

You are simply---scum.

Yeah, but Goatman might commit suicide. Good idea.

So my suicide is your only solution to getting rid of me? Too bad you aren't smart enough to do it with your wit.

So I guess your only solution is the same as da bOoB's: he wishes for two countries to solve a problem his is impotent to deal with, you dream of another person's suicide for the same reason.

Dream on, loser! I'll stick around if for no other reason than to bug you. LOL

#145 | Posted by goatman

Caught one! LOL. It's soooo easy.

well goatman we you and I and kanrie can see from the posts by nullifan and bob.
the ire of the liberal fuck knows no bounds.
but maybe NOW we could move on to the subject of the thread..

remember.............

the rest of the day was spent muttering.

"some ragheaded motherfuckers are gonna die because of this"

#130 | Posted by afkabl2

How could you possibly have known the perps were "ragheads"?

You must have missed the part where I changed the rules of the list to where I can choose to respond to people who talk to me first...

???

What's the point of THE LIST, then? That's pretty much how it is with anyone who posts here. We respond to those whom we want (I can force null and boyd to respond to me, but that's another story).

You need to make another list that lists the rules of THE LIST

#146 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-11 12:13 PM | Reply | Flag: resorts to stealing my schtick. As I said, if he had any wits. . .

LOL

Thanks for the vindication, nully

"How many Iraqi children would you kill to prevent another 9/11?"

Pretty much that is the question Bush/Cheney/Rice/Rummy all presented to Congress who then said they would agree to kill a whole lot of them. Unfortunately, most of those folks in Congress believed that killing Iraqis would somehow prevent another attack by people who were in Afghanistan. We have reason now to believe that Bush/Cheney and the rest had the correct knowledge about who attacked us but we don't see any attempt to deal with that. I suspect that the next time someone attacks us on American soil it may well be an Iraqi angry over losing his family, home, etc.
It would seem to me that common sense would tell us that the least we could do, in our own interests of safety, would be to investigate and bring justice to any and all who did actually lie us into a tragic war. If they are innocent then an investigation should show that but if not they should recieve a fair trial like any other war criminal.

I am one of the few liberals who advocates for two countries---so far. There are millions upon millions of conservatives who want two countries--none of them would be welcome in my country.

www.sonofthesouth.net

www.texasnationalist.com

images.google.com

How many Iraqi children would you kill to prevent another 9/11?

I have the feeling that your answer would be the same. That makes you a Xenophobe and a Nationalist in my book. And also a freedom hating wimp. Freedom is dangerous. I always would prefer it over security though.

#138 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2009-09-11 12:02 PM


TF,
You have officially become a joke to me and not worthy of serious response.

But I take the sugggtestion of starting my own thread seriously--I will leave you hypocritical fucks here to wave the flag and cry crocodile tears as you piss on your friends graves for nothing.

You disgust me with your hypocrisy---wave the flag as you protect those who attacked us that day.

Says the guy who wishes to see American torn apart into two countries, yet claims he loves her and wants to do away with those who have opinions different than his, effectively killing the first amendment. Hypocrisy? bOoB is thy name. LOL

That's fine for you Bob but I happen to live in Florida. What is going to happen to folks like me when the South rises again???
Will they reinstitute slavery???

#144 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-11 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Talking to me again. Can someone who speaks "Moron" please explain to BoOB that nobody reads his tripe and he is wasting valuable space others would use with actual thoughts.

Goat, Kan,

I didn't talk to bOob, yet he responded to my post.

Do you guys think he violated his own rules in my case?

BuffaloBoOb is a liar, a punk, a dummy, and breaks his own rules. He should create a country for people just like himself.

I am one of the few liberals who advocates for two countries---so far

Right. You and Jackass. LOL You two deserve each other.

Send us a postcard from bOoBisan pop. 2

Don't encourage the 101 by responding to It. It is deeply disturbed/ing.

#143 | Posted by ZOT

You notice I didn't respond to him/her directly. I never do. I made that mistake once. Not worth the time.

Freedom is dangerous. I always would prefer it over security though.

you heartless conservative!!!

-the left

#142 | Posted by eberly


Except it was the right who were willing to give the President unlimited power and cash as long as he pretended he was trying to keep them secure. Apparently as long as they're killing and torturing, the Government can do no wrong.
Let them try to provide health care or feed poor babies however and look out!!!

some ragheaded motherfuckers are gonna die because of this"


#130 | Posted by afkabl2


How could you possibly have known the perps were "ragheads"?

#148 | Posted by ZOT at 2009-09


it was an assumption, I admit it..but it was a correct one....I also left out the part where I was also thinking ..IF it was...but to say that would invite people here from trying to say that I lied about that to save face which is incorrect.
the point of course was that I knew with BUSH in office that we wouldnt pussy out on the deal regardless of who did it.
if gore were there the taliban would still be forcing their will on the people of afghanistan because gore would have just gone to the fuckinn USELESS UN and complained

Maybe we could create cyber countries where we invent new computer languages so that only the people in our own cyber country can talk to us.
The we could exist on an internet with only people who agree with us. We could invent lots of countries this way but I bet in a short time one of the cyber countries would be declaring war on another and taking over their cyber space.

and isnt it typical that the left here is doing everything they can to tell us that WE killed iraqi children to avenge 9/11..
what bullshit nonsense..

these are the same peolple who blame us for civilian deaths in afghanistan when the terrorist hide behind women and children there..

I guess the lessons of america hiding from the world in the 30's has completely dissappeared.

"and isnt it typical that the left here is doing everything they can to tell us that WE killed iraqi children to avenge 9/11.."

Ok, why did we kill Iraqis???
To save them from themselves???


But I take the sugggtestion of starting my own thread seriously--I will leave you hypocritical fucks here to wave the flag and cry crocodile tears as you piss on your friends graves for nothing.

#154 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob


OH NO

so this day could be known around here for something else?

wow..I dont know if the DR could withstand your absence.


HEY can I take a poll on people who are willing to tRY???

my vote makes one...

TF,
You have officially become a joke to me and not worthy of serious response.

#153 | Posted by kanrei

Why, I think it's a legitimite question. The whole cry of "We have to fight them there so we don't have to fight them here" was reverberated all over the place by the Right. So to me that implies a direct correlation to killing innocents to prevent another 9/11. The claim of how Bush prevented another 9/11 appears in this thread. So that means you accept the fact that hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqis dying kept you safe. Was it worth it?

He should create a country for people just like himself.

I think he did. Its territorial limits extend to the inner walls of a basement in an Ohioan 'burb. It's major weapons system is a string of Black Cats. It's airforce is a balsa wood plane (in need of rubber band) and its army is just that -- army ants. bOoB, president and jackass VP. What a country!

Not sure when their turn on the Security Council rolls around.

How could you possibly have known the perps were "ragheads"?

He didn't say that...he said some were gonna die.


You need to make another list that lists the rules of THE LIST

he might as well list the list and the list of rules for the list.

"I also left out the part where I was also thinking .

#161 | Posted by afkabl2"


Insta-Classic. So in other words, nothing new.


Maybe we could create cyber countries where we invent new computer languages so that only the people in our own cyber country can talk to us.
The we could exist on an internet with only people who agree with us. We could invent lots of countries this way but I bet in a short time one of the cyber countries would be declaring war on another and taking over their cyber space.

#162 | Posted by danni at 2009


but SWEETY

then I and others here would miss out on the pleasure of your company....lol

"these are the same peolple who blame us for civilian deaths in afghanistan when the terrorist hide behind women and children there.."

That's not true, most of us supported the war in Afghanistan and I still do. It is unfortunate that civillians are being killed but they should throw the terrorists out then. You simply can't conflate Iraq and Afghanistan, it's a very dishonest attempt to justify the Iraq war which simply wasn't justifiable.

"then I and others here would miss out on the pleasure of your company....lol"

Maybe I'd send you a visa so you could visit.


I remember looking to the sky thinking, "Damn, no one is flying today."

#35 | Posted by Ron_Karate at 2009-09-11 09:31 AM

Only if your last name was Bin Laden.

Ok, why did we kill Iraqis???
To save them from themselves???

#164 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-11 12

your question assumes that it was done for some reason other than war is hell.
NOONE here thinks that dead iraqi children is a good thing or anything of the sort..so dont try and make us supporters of the war into something like that..

and its the anniversary also of hurricane ike

still got your fingers crossed like I do???????

TF,
Because you said of me "That makes you a Xenophobe and a Nationalist in my book. And also a freedom hating wimp." Considering I opposed the war in Iraq, voted against Bush, voted for Obama, and am still 100% against the war, that would mean you are fighting a strawman and not me. IN fact, you don't even need me for this debate at all as you are assigning me positions.

My prayers go out to all the 9/11 families, especially those who haven't had all their questions answered.

Everything changed on 9-11. It is as if we woke up from the dream that everyone loved us, and even if they didn't, there was nothing they could really do to hurt us. It also, in my opinion, signalled the end of any perceptions of unattackable post cold war American world-wild dominance. Everything changed. And at the risk of drifting into partisan politics, our government's reaction to the attacks (in terms of invading Iraq and suspending basic Constitutional norms) only made things worse.

you are assigning me positions.

#175 | Posted by kanrei



There is not one person here who would die to save an Iraqi child.
-- Posted by kanrei

It would be interesting to have everyone update their opinions as to the Iraq invasion and the Afghanistan invasion.

I was against invading Iraq and still think that was correct. I approve of the recent move of the troops away from the cities.

I was for invading afghanistan, now question it, but feel we are obligated to stay and complete the job.

"the ire of the liberal fuck knows no bounds"

sorry afk
but you prove every post you make what a partisan hack you are as well

liberal conservative

you are no better.

both groups shouldn't be using a thread called "remember" to air out their bullshit


f'n a.

when the terrorist hide behind women and children there..


and americans dont?

RIF.Org will help you TF.


When you start with me and say " I think your answer will be.." and then go on and say of me "That makes you a Xenophobe and a Nationalist in my book. And also a freedom hating wimp," that was you assigning me a position.

"your question assumes that it was done for some reason other than war is hell."

No that's not what I meant. Our soldiers do the best they can to avoid killing civillians. But, why did we invade Iraq??? They didn't attack us. Why did we start in motion a war that we had to have known would cause the deaths of many thousands of people???>

so dont try and make us supporters of the war into something like that..

#174 | Posted by afkabl2

If you support a war, then you support the death of innocents. Should've thought about that before the invasion.

Pottery Barn rule applies both in Iraq and Afghanistan. Like it or not. I've noticed quite a few people like George Will who have changed their minds and think that we can simply pack up and leave without considering the consequences for the people we asked to trust us. Some "patriots" lose their will when it isn't convenient.

NOONE here thinks that dead iraqi children is a good thing or anything of the sort..so dont try and make us supporters of the war into something like that..



funny cause if you read some of the words of some of the crusaders in Iraq, you might get the impression they are happy to kill children

"so dont try and make us supporters of the war into something like that.."

I don't think that you thought that but I also think that many Americans used pretty poor judgement and trusted the wrong people back when the decision whether to invade Iraq or not was made.
Today, I question how can they still be listening to those same voices who were so completely wrong back then and who were so willing to accuse others of being unpatriotic for disagreeing with them.
How can anyone still listen to Rush, Sean, Ann, etc.
They were absolutely wrong, never admitted it, called others traitors for disagreeing and now pretend that somehow it doesn't matter while soldiers are still dead, Iraqis are still dead, we are still paying and thousands on both sides are maimed and mutilated. They should be completely ignored but instead people listen to them even more religiously.

HOW BUDWEISER SAVED MY LIFE

by 8Roper

On Sept. 10th, 2001, the Giants played a Monday night game against the Broncos in Denver.

ON the train ride home to CT from NYC before the game started, one of my train friends convinced me to get off the train with him a few towns earlier than my normal stop. "Call your wife", he said, "She won't mind if we are stopping at so and so's bar to watch the game tonight."
Sure enough, 3 hours later we were enjoying pitcher of Bud number 5 or 6 as we sat at the bar with a perfect view of the screen for kickoff.
As can be expected, at times, I and this particular friend had too much to drink.
In fact, I was probably blacked out by the time you could tell the Giants would be losing that game.

I imagine I was a moderate spectacle as I stumbled from the bar to the train station to finish the ride home to my house.
I cannot tell you what time my head hit the pillow but an educated guess is 2 am. ( luckily, back then my house was in walking distance from my local train station - turns out I walked home from the train)

"OHMYGOD look at this!"
My wife had a habit of having the TV on in the morning to watch the local news. She was up and making breakfast or something...which immediately seemed odd to me because she never was up before I leave to go to work in the morning.
I looked over at the alarm clock - o crap! I am fucking wasted and I am in bed with my clothes
( and shoes) on!
This was more disturbing than usual because I remembered that I had a visit with one of my network providers planned- a 10 am meeting at the WTC with General Telecom. 83rd floor of Tower I.
Where I live - it's a good 2 hours door to door to get to work.
Going to work was imediately out the window seeing as it was past 8 already, and I was still plowed from last night.
I stumbled downstairs to see what my wife was excited about, and to announce the good news that I would be home that day ( back then I was an owner of my company and I could blow off showing up at will).
Only the first tower had been hit at this point, and it looked relatively minor, compared to the way we know it turned out.
It was literally minutes after the impact and TV stations were speculating it was a "minor small plane accident" and in fact , in those first few minutes most morning news shows were even cutting away from it assuming there wasn't a hell of a lot more to the story.
No need to go into the progression of events going forward. We know the story.
Point is: I was hammered. I did not wake up in time for work. I should have/ would have gone to chat with Harvey, Fitz, and my other friends at General Tel who are no longer with us. But, lucky for me, I was having another functioning-alcoholic morning.

My meeting was for 10am . Who knows what train I would have caught - who knows what time I would have been in the vicinity, or actually in the building that morning - maybe I would have went in a little early? Can't say. BUT- I have the feeling my life was saved that day. It might have been my friend on the train that saved me. It might have been Griese and the Broncs that saved me. But I like to think it was probably Adolphus Busch.
;-)

Wow, Fredo. That's some story.

You should have a bud on this day every year in gratitude.

Great story 8R.

"wow..I dont know if the DR could withstand your absence.

HEY can I take a poll on people who are willing to tRY???
my vote makes one..."

Watch out what you vote for, Afk... You might give someone ideas... : )

Today we are all New Yorkers. Muslim appeasing Gitmo releasing New Yorkers but New Yorkers nevertheless.

Today we are all New Yorkers. Muslim appeasing Gitmo releasing New Yorkers but New Yorkers nevertheless.
#192 | Posted by tontonmacoute

LOL, punk. How does it feel?

both groups shouldn't be using a thread called "remember" to air out their bullshit



f'n a.


#180 | Posted by klifferd at 2009


point taken....

Watch out what you vote for, Afk... You might give someone ideas... : )

#191 | Posted by pragmatist at 2009

yeah I thought about that
but come on...the retort without me..come on....lol

there is one group of people that I dont believe has been mentioned here and if they have it bears repeating

the men and women who took over the plane that crashed in PENN

any idea how many lives they saved by giving up thier own and I believe what someone said this morning on local radio
there should be a monument outside of congress for these people that saved no telling how many congressmen and senators..

'lets roll"

Glad you said something. I had the response all typed out, then I remembered my "no trolling 9-11 threads" promise and had to delete.

was for invading afghanistan, now question it, but feel we are obligated to stay and complete the job.

#179 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-11 12:36 PM | Reply | Flag


mo matter what I say about him on other issues..almost ALL other issues
I hope all of you heard the pres at the pentagon this morning...it was maybe the best things I have ever heard him say and he sounded as resolute as bush ever did.
I have a political comment now but in deference to ckliffords correct comment I will use in somewhere else.


there is one group of people that I dont believe has been mentioned here and if they have it bears repeating


the men and women who took over the plane that crashed in PENN


that was all made up too. the airforce shot the plane down.

-buffalobob

Whether "Let's Roll" is truth, exaggeration, or total fabrication, it was the story we needed on that day to regain some sense of control and pride. I honestly have no interest in disproving that story at all.

I remember.

"I don't think that you thought that but I also think that many Americans used pretty poor judgement and trusted the wrong people back when the decision whether to invade Korea or not was made.
Today, I question how can they still be listening to those same voices who were so completely wrong back then and who were so willing to accuse others of being unpatriotic for disagreeing with them.
How can anyone still listen to Cronkite, Murrow, Shirer, etc.
They were absolutely wrong, never admitted it, called others traitors for disagreeing and now pretend that somehow it doesn't matter while soldiers are still dead, Koreans are still dead, we are still paying and thousands on both sides are maimed and mutilated. They should be completely ignored but instead people listen to them even more religiously."


But hey, at least we got a Picasso out of it.Massacre in Korea is an expressionistic painting by Pablo Picasso, depicts war violence against civilians composed by Pablo Picasso in 1951.

not to agree or disagre with you but remember too

we have a lot of troops still in korea dont we?

I don't think you can make a legitimate case that defending S. Korea is equivalent to invading Iraq.
The more comparable analogy would have been if we had followed MacArthur's desire to invade China.
We didn't, cooler heads prevailed and thus I listened to those cooler heads for many years, one of whom, Walter Cronkite, was the voice who many consider did finally convince that the Vietnam war was unwinnable.

u.s. military who have given their all under this potussa's watch:

conservativeamerican.org

279 - when is this warmonger going to get off his duff and bring them home?

yup - i had to say it.

Cronkite, was the voice who many consider did finally convince that the Vietnam war was unwinnable.

#204 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-11 04:18


while according to the famous LBJ quote about this is true..there were many other factors for the result in nam and the genocide and murder of millions of people was a result as well, something that liberals at the time said was silly to predict but it happened anyway

again as a last post on this thread

we must not forget all of the people who died on this day 8 years ago and as I said
obama in his speech at the pentagon this morning
got it right.

"when is this warmonger going to get off his duff and bring them home?"

The troops in Afghanistan will be there until the job is done. Al Quaeda is still waiting for us to give up and leave and they will attack us again if they get a chance. We should not confuse the unnecessary war in Iraq with the one in Afghanistan where Al Quada was and they did attack us more than once but especially on 9-11.
It seems almost funny that I, a person who strongly objected to the war in Iraq, would now have to take the role of the "hawk" on the war in Afghanistan.
Be that as it may, this president is not confused, he is going after the people who attacked us, increasing the pressure on them from both Afghanistan and by getting the Pakistanis to attack them on the other side. Eventually we will defeat both Al Quaeda and the Taliban who protected them.
At least the brave men and women who are fighting in Afghanistan know why they are there and who their enemy is. They know that they really are defending our freedom and safety, unfortunately the troops in Iraq weren't so lucky.

I think we should nuke some semi-desolated spot in Afghanistan just to show all those middle eastern peoples we mean business.

the retort without me..come on....

#195 | Posted by afkabl2

One can dream....

www.youtube.com

Music starts about 1:09 in.

www.youtube.com

and see...one of the things I have taken from my time here at the old retort is I dont use the term ragheads anymore... how about that rcade....you HAVE done some good..LOL

I think I'm going to cry.

"I think I'm going to cry."

Posted by rcade


See HC, I'm not the only one!!


I think we should nuke some semi-desolated spot in Afghanistan just to show all those middle eastern peoples we mean business.

#208 | Posted by DukeMantee at 2009-09

funny that you mention this. I am at the spot in truman bio where he is mulling over and getting advice about the bomb and one of the more serious moves was to just explode the a bomb like you suggest here in order to show the japs just what we had. the problem was that at that time they were worried because some of the scientist were having real doubts that it was going to work and the idea was,..if we told them about it, as one suggested, or just dropped it in a desolate place and it didnt work the japs would keep fighting even more.
I think maybe some of these same problems..(not the doubt of it working of course) would come into play


the retort without me..come on....


#195 | Posted by afkabl2


One can dream....

#209 | Posted by TFDNihilist

it certainly took you sumbithces long enough for someone to come up with this.
shit...you guys are terrible at taking straight lines


and see...one of the things I have taken from my time here at the old retort is I dont use the term ragheads anymore... how about that rcade....you HAVE done some good..LOL


I think I'm going to cry.

#212 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-


dont get too carried away
we should still bomb them all and let allah straighten it out...LOL

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