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The U.S. troops came to the hospital looking for Taliban insurgents late at night last Wednesday. Fange said they kicked in doors, tied up four hospital employees and two family members of patients, and forced patients out of beds during their search. When they left two hours later, the unit ordered hospital staff to inform coalition forces if any wounded militants were admitted, and the military would decide if they could be treated, Fange said. The staff refused, he said. "That would put our staff at risk and make the hospital a target."

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Wot part of "hearts and minds" are some folks just not getting?

Be Well.

The sick and crippled are easier to kill.

"...the unit ordered hospital staff to inform coalition forces if any wounded militants were admitted, and the military would decide if they could be treated, Fange said.
The staff refused, he said. "That would put our staff at risk and make the hospital a target."

From where I'm sitting, the militants have already put the staff at risk and made the hospital a target...actually, the whole region at risk.
Their refusal to cooperate is valuable intel in and of it's self.
Look for the American politician (I.E., Military Tactician Wannabe) to continue to handcuff the military in an effort to inhibit potential political blow-back that could adversely effect their reelection bids.

denying medical care to wounded? well I suppose that is a tactic

Wot part of "hearts and minds" are some folks just not getting?

#1 | Posted by dethspud

And look who is the comander in chief. It ain't Bush.

GW's fault!


Wot part of "hearts and minds" are some folks just not getting?


#1 | Posted by dethspud


"hearts and minds" is soooooooo Iraq! Get with the program; this is Afghanistan, where anything goes (after you are properly hazed, of course)

From where I'm sitting, the militants have already put the staff at risk and made the hospital a target...actually, the whole region at risk.

the who?
i259.photobucket.com
just where are you sitting?

This is the kind of perverse bullshit that happens when we try nation building. Its not worth this or losing American Service People. We should have not even thought about staying so long. We should have destroyed their ability to harm us further, hunted down and killed AQ and the Taliban leadership then carved the territory up into regions that surrounding countries could "administer" and left except for a base (just in case we had to kick somebody else's ass in the region).

Just finished "Horse Soldiers" and it seems we had so many chances to make things right after '01 but we could never pull it off. We're just wasting time now..

Excellent read BTW..

Let's see, you want us to believe our troops force their way into a hospital and did all those things. After what the AP did the other with printing the photo of the young marine. You want us to trust and believe anything the AP prints. I have served with members of the 10th Mountain and they are very professional. sounds like the Swedish and AP are, as always, against our troops. I miss UPI!!!

The very definition of professionalized buffoonery.

I told everyone here that General McCrystal is totally incompetent.

Stay tuned. More buffoonery will follow, no doubt, as the weeks turn into months.

Let's see, you want us to believe our troops force their way into a hospital and did all those things. After what the AP did the other with printing the photo of the young marine. You want us to trust and believe anything the AP prints.

* face palm *

Be Well.

Their refusal to cooperate is valuable intel in and of it's self.

Doctors refuse to phone up the occupying army and ask for permission to save a life?

This is valuable intel to you?

The fact that the US troops were stupid enough to deliberately antagonise the very people they are theoretically there to protect and who's co-operation and trust is essential to a successful mission is even more valuable intel.

It tells us the fight for hearts and minds is effectively lost cos it's not even being fought.

Your refusal to even acknowledge the stupidity and counter productiveness of this ham-handed tactic is valuable intel too.

It tells us that you have a startling lack of either intelligence or intellectual honesty.

Or both.

Be Well.

Let's see, you want us to believe our troops force their way into a hospital and did all those things. After what the AP did the other with printing the photo of the young marine. You want us to trust and believe anything the AP prints. I have served with members of the 10th Mountain and they are very professional. sounds like the Swedish and AP are, as always, against our troops. I miss UPI!!!

#12 | POSTED BY YOEMANBOB AT 2009-09-08 12:38 AM


Very interesting pov.

Let's see if I have you correct.

AP posts a picture of one of our troops dying and it offends you. You don't want to see or anyone else to see the TRUTH, eh?

A picture is worth a thousand words, it is said.

Let's see what the "founding fathers" had to say about freedom of the press, since the hysterical right wingers are always trying to tell us what they said and meant....

"Be not intimidated, therefore, by any terrors, from publishing with the utmost freedom whatever
can be warranted by the laws of your country, nor suffer yourselves to be wheeled out of your
library by any pretense of politeness, delicacy or decency. These, as they are often used, are but
three different names for hypocrisy, chicanery and cowardice."
John Adams
From an Essay for the Boston Gazette
*1765
"If all printers were determined not to print anything till they were sure it would offend nobody,
there would be very little printed."
Benjamin Franklin
[1706-1790]
"When the press is free and every man able to read, all is safe."
Thomas Jefferson
1799
"Nothing could be more irrational than to give the people power, and to withhold from them
information without which power is abused. A people who mean to be their own governors must
arm themselves with power which knowledge gives. A popular government without popular
information or the means of acquiring it is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy, or perhaps
both."
James Madison
[1751-1836]
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
Thomas Paine
[1737-1809]
"If men are to be precluded from offering their sentiments on a matter, which may involve the
most serious and alarming consequences that can invite the consideration of mankind, reason is of
no use to us, the freedom of speech may be taken away, and dumb and silent we may be led, like
sheep to the slaughter."
George Washington
Address to Officers of the Army
March 15, 1783

nie.miamiherald.com

A compilation of over 200 comments for freedom of the press...

I guess some like the idea of sending our troops to die in unnecessary invasions/occupations for the benefit of a few war/oil profiteers, as long as they don't have to actually sacrifice anything themselves or actually SEE the results.....eh? Out of sight, out of mind, eh?

This is the kind of perverse bullshit that happens when we try nation building. Its not worth this or losing American Service People. We should have not even thought about staying so long. We should have destroyed their ability to harm us further, hunted down and killed AQ and the Taliban leadership then carved the territory up into regions that surrounding countries could "administer" and left except for a base (just in case we had to kick somebody else's ass in the region).

#9 | POSTED BY CONSTUCT AT 2009-09-07 06:37 PM


I have to agree. Whom did you vote for in 2000/2004?


I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence.
Nov. 6, 2000
George W. Bush
Let me tell you what else I'm worried about: I'm worried about an opponent who uses nation building and the military in the same sentence. See, our view of the military is for our military to be properly prepared to fight and win war and, therefore, prevent war from happening in the first place. (more)

I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation building.
Oct. 11, 2000
George W. Bush
Somalia. It started off as a humanitarian mission then changed into a nation-building mission and that's where the mission went wrong. The mission was changed. And as a result, our nation paid a price, and so I don't think our troops ought to be used for what's called nation building. I think our troops ought to be used to fight and win war. I think our troops ought to be used to help overthrow a dictator when it's in our best interests. But in this case, it was a nation-building exercise. And same with Haiti. I wouldn't have supported either. (more)

A nation-building corps from America. Absolutely not.
Oct. 11, 2000
George W. Bush
I think what we need to do is convince people who live in the lands they live in to build the nations. Maybe I'm missing something here. I mean we're going to have kind of a nation-building corps from America. Absolutely not. Our military is meant to fight and win war. That's what it's meant to do and when it gets overextended, morale drops. (more)

He [Gore] believes in nation building. I would be very careful ...
Oct. 4, 2000
George W. Bush (Presidential debate, Oct. 4, 2000)
I think we've got to be very careful when we commit our troops. The vice president and I have a disagreement about the use of troops. He believes in national building. I would be very careful about using our troops as nation builders. (more)

zfacts.com


DOH!

eh?

from en.wikipedia.org

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

Smedley Butler

you people who hate the military aught to consider the sources. also, read a little from the other people who were there, not just your taliban supporting local hate militias.

www.myfoxwvtv.com

p.s. deathspud, it's not as if they are fighting for the hypocratic oath. that same hospital has refused treatment to contractors wounded in Afghanistan. it's just another propaganda coups you are ever willing to put your faith in.

Nice try, EBD. You act like these folks here actually care about a reasoned argument. The dumbfuck, 8 1/2" long-boned tater from up north IS the problem.

You can't persuade stupid and you can't convince ignorance. You just have to keep protecting their dumb asses even if they're not worth it.

Enjoy!


Wot part of "hearts and minds" are some folks just not getting?


Be Well.

#1 | Posted by dethspud


I would say:

Heck of a JOB, Baraki!

p.s. deathspud, it's not as if they are fighting for the hypocratic oath. that same hospital has refused treatment to contractors wounded in Afghanistan. it's just another propaganda coups you are ever willing to put your faith in.

#20 | Posted by edb

Spud,

I'll bet you thought you had a winner! LOL.

Just another anti-American exposed lying.

The fact that the US troops were stupid enough to deliberately antagonise the very people they are theoretically there to protect and who's co-operation and trust is essential to a successful mission is even more valuable intel.

#16 | Posted by dethspud


Who said this happened?

It seems to me after the truth comes out that there is a peaceful hospital trying to operate in a war zone and one Jackass associated with the hospital trying to get one over on the Americans.

This jackass is putting the hospital and the good people running it in grave danger from retaliation from both sides.

What a moron.

you people who hate the military

#20 | POSTED BY EDB AT 2009-09-08 06:42 PM


No one here hates the military son.

We didn't send them into no win senarios as sitting duck targets....


Don't think it's no win?

Then, pray tell me ONE TIME in history that a conventional foreign occupying army defeated a homegrown guerilla insurgency....


The reason it's about "hearts and minds" is that is what it takes to gain control of a POLITICAL problem.....and there are no military solutions to political problems son.....


Now, WHO doesn't support the troops? YOU are the one supporting a FAILED mission, created by a cabal of oil/war profiteering corporations and their neocon politicians....

Honor the warriors, not the war.

and btw geniuses


Namecalling and insults are not arguments. To the contrary, they expose someone who has NO FACTS.....to argue...and so namecall instead, eh?

I can think of a name for ya, too......it concerns those who support unnecessary invasions/occupations as long as OTHER PEOPLE are doing the dying and being maimed....so far that is 5000 kia and over 30k mia

Wanna join the fun boys?

Why'd we storm the hospital? Were they anally raping Jessica Lynch in there or something?

you people who hate the military aught to consider the sources. also, read a little from the other people who were there, not just your taliban supporting local hate militias.

First off, Spud don't hate the military.

You do, obviously, or you wouldn't be so gung ho to send them on ultimately unwinnable open ended missions without a clear exit strategy.

www.myfoxwvtv.com

Army spokedude sez "we kicked in one door and didn't tie anyone up" essentially?

Providing the same amount of proof as the Swedes.

that same hospital has refused treatment to contractors wounded in Afghanistan.

Is that how you remember it?

Cos the hospital guys remember it differently.

The hospital has faced a further intrusion on 13 July, when private security guards escorting a convoy came under attack from insurgents and sought shelter/treatment in a very aggressive manner in the hospital and proceeded to assault staff and damage property.

www.globalresearch.ca

Hearts and minds, peoples.

Be Well.

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