White House Aide Van Jones Resigns

Sunday, September 06, 2009

Van Jones, President Obama's advisor for green jobs at the Council on Environmental Quality, resigned late Saturday. "I cannot in good conscience ask my colleagues to expend precious time and energy defending or explaining my past," said Jones, whose past associations with 9/11 Truthers and radical left-wing groups were widely publicized this week.

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Dem appointee gets caught saying some crazy shit and resigns when those statements come to light?

See, if he was a republican they prolly woulda nominated him fer Veep instead.

Be Well.

#1 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-09-06 05:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

"On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me. They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide." Jones added he could not ask colleagues to expend time and energy defending or explaining his past.

Sounds reasonable.

And yes the timing is not coincidental.

That all sed?

Spud to Obama:

"Vetting"

It's a process.

Look into it sometime.

Be Well.

#2 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-09-06 05:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Once again, spud, we agree. Vetting is a process... and one that Obama needs to work on.

#3 | Posted by 1libertarian at 2009-09-06 06:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

See, if he was a republican they prolly woulda nominated him fer Veep instead.

Be Well.

#1 | Posted by dethspud

and the down side is???

saw margo n junies in santa fe back in july. smokin as usual

#4 | Posted by RODEGLIDE at 2009-09-06 06:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

I wonder how much they are paying him to go away.

#5 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 07:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

White House probably got the heads up that main stream media couldn't cover up the story any longer and it was going to hit the papers today.

#6 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 07:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

I would feel sorry for him if i wasn't a racist.

#7 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 07:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

It's not my fault I'm a racist, my parents were white.

#8 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 07:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

VAN JONES: You reading this? You're a loser.

#9 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 07:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

Glenn Beck is one powerful dude if he can get someone in the white house fired.

#10 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 07:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

cap & trade energy bill promise - -
" millions of green jobs which can NEVER be outsourced"

ouch . . . Jonsey quits - -

lacking a 'green jobs' czar many of our green jobs could be outsourced to China before a new czar is appointed

a projection of the World Wind Energy Council (GWEC) -- which represents more than 1,500 wind firms in more than 50 nations -- that says China will take the global top spot as #1 manufacturer of wind turbines in 2009 . . . overtaking current leading wind manufacturers
USA's General Electric, India's Suzlon and Germany's Enercon)

Chinese Steel price to stay at low levels in 2009 - CISA

damn, them Chinese even got the 'squiggly bulb' manufacturing thing locked up :(

aka; Van da Man, after literally several weeks work, QUITS HIS FIRST EVER REAL JOB

#11 | Posted by markh at 2009-09-06 07:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

Glenn Beck is one powerful dude if he can get someone in the white house fired.

#11 | Posted by mysterytoy

He's almost as powerful as the nanny who scuttled Bernie Kerik's shot at being the head of homeland security.

#12 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2009-09-06 08:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Spud to Obama: "Vetting" It's a process. Look into it sometime."

Anyone who thinks Obama doesn't vet people is a moron. He vetted Jones, and that's who he wanted.

#13 | Posted by JOE at 2009-09-06 08:41 AM | Reply | Flag:

What a shame. He was so qualified!

Well, Obama didn't need this distraction. Now he has to go back and try to find another radical, unemployable douchebag to serve as Green Jobs Czar. Shouldn't be too hard, though. Seems his Rolodex is full of such people.

#14 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-09-06 09:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

When do the birthers and teabaggers quit the republican party?

#15 | Posted by klifferd at 2009-09-06 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

Van Jones, and his rhetoric, are a disgrace to ANY party or administration. I hope he crawls back under his racist rock. However, with statements from Gibbs saying "he still works with the administration" I doubt Obama will really cut him loose. What with the secrecy surrounding the WH visitor logs...I'll bet Jones just keeps coming and going as usual and the WH will continually deny.

#16 | Posted by UpL8 at 2009-09-06 10:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

"See, if he was a republican they prolly woulda nominated him fer Veep instead."

Charlie Rangel will "prolly" get that nomination from the transparent, ethical democrats.

#17 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-09-06 10:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

The issue is he WAS vetted and the "behind the curtain" Obama Czardom thought no one would be the wiser.

Next, swamp draining Nancy will pull Rangel's plug. He has been on life support too long.

#18 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-09-06 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

What with the secrecy surrounding the WH visitor logs...I'll bet Jones just keeps coming and going as usual and the WH will continually deny

President Obama announced Friday that he will open up White House visitor logs on a regular basis for the first time in modern history, providing the public an unusually extensive look at who gets the opportunity to help shape American policy at the highest levels.

"Americans have a right to know whose voices are being heard in the policymaking process," the president said in a written statement issued by the White House while he vacationed with his family at Camp David. The new policy settles four lawsuits against the government seeking such records.

www.nytimes.com

#19 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2009-09-06 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

"The issue is he WAS vetted and the "behind the curtain" Obama Czardom thought no one would be the wiser."

Not to worry, the messiah has PLENTY more "stealth" apostles behind the curtain, more than are even in his cabinet.

#20 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-09-06 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Jones wasn't one-tenth as radical or scary as the Republicans made him out to be, but a former self-avowed Marxist who suspected 9/11 was an inside job was a poor choice for a top government position.

#21 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone notice how Obama did what right-wingers wanted -- got Jones to resign -- and didn't gain even an ounce of support from them? He should learn from that on a bunch of other issues.

#22 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

Nancy you ignorant socialist moron.

What do you mean by innovative thinker? Marxist/Communism has been around for a long time. What kind of innovation is that?

And every time Communism comes around, million of innocent people die, either of starvation or the hungry citizens rebelling against their communist oppressive government.

Social justice, environmental justice, what the heck is that, Mr. Newsom? Newsom you are almost to the level of a moron. How the heck did you ever get elected?

Get Informed
Get Involved
Get these San Fransisco Socialists, including Diane Feinstein, out of office

#23 | Posted by Hlloona at 2009-09-06 10:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama picked Van Jones as they think alike--and Jones was good friends with Valerie Jarrett--another Obama advisor.

Obama sat in the pews of a radical for 20 years and friends with Weather Underground radicals for 17 years.

Why is the pick of Jones any surprise?

Jones is not the only one who is a radical and given a job as czar by the non-vetting Obama WH.

Holdren and Cass Sustein and Ezekial Emmanuel--are radicals and not from the center as many folks believed Obama would lead from.

Jones was given a check book with 30 BILLION dollars in it to spend from the stimulus bill.

Obama isn't just making some minor mistake or error on judgment--that is Obama's motto.

Obama has what ?? 37 Czars--many who are radical and many who are doing the duties of confirmed cabinet members.

But Obama--the man of transparency chooses crazy people to be around him and circumvents the Constitution and the Senate who is charged with confirming people in the WH.

#24 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-09-06 10:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

When will MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NY Times, Washington Post, et-liberal-all..stick their collective heads out from under the covers of the Obama bed that they have been nestling in for so long and start doing what journalists are supposed to do...REPORT THE ALL OF THE NEWS not filter out stuff that seemingly puts Barack in bad light? Maybe, just maybe the Fourth Estate would regain the credibility it has abandoned for political expediency or just plain fawning love.

#25 | Posted by 3853177z at 2009-09-06 10:39 AM | Reply | Flag:

"When will MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, NY Times, Washington Post, et-liberal-all..stick their collective heads out from under the covers of the Obama bed that they have been nestling in for so long and start doing what journalists are supposed to do...REPORT THE ALL OF THE NEWS"

These would be the same elements of media the Riiight had no complaints about when they were regurgitating the lies of Bush and his enablers that led us into is War of Choice, correct?

#26 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-09-06 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

"chooses crazy people to be around him and circumvents the Constitution and the Senate who is charged with confirming people in the WH."

You're talking about John Boton and George Bush, right?

#27 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-09-06 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

The real question is "WHY DID HE HIRE HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE"-He was a walking insult to the victims of 911"?

#28 | Posted by aclusux at 2009-09-06 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Anyone notice how Obama did what right-wingers wanted --"

Good, Rcade, good...I seem to remember a left-winger or two with misgivings about Jones too....along with their angst with the whole stable of "czars." Seems some members of Congress are a little apprehensive... even Robert Byrd...gasp. Please tell me you're not one of the 30% or so of the incurable hardline left-wingers who find NO wrong with this administration.

#29 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-09-06 10:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone notice how Obama did what right-wingers wanted -- got Jones to resign -- and didn't gain even an ounce of support from them?
* * * *

I didn't want him to get Jones to resign--if that's indeed what happened.

What I want is a president who doesn't see need--or cause, or constitutional basis--for a "Green Jobs Czar". As soon as our celebrity president stops playing Dancing With the Czars and acts in accordance with the constitution, I might take him seriously. Until then, he's just another authoritarian.

#30 | Posted by rightisright at 2009-09-06 10:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

Muprhy,

Careful about the term CZAR, while it is an informal definition, it APPEARS Jones didn't meet liberal definition. I think the left is a little defensive about the whole thing.

The title "czar" is an informal term for certain high-level officials who direct or oversee federal operations on a given topic or who coordinate policies between different departments on a given topic.

"The Labor Secretary can't tell any other Cabinet officer or agency what to do so if you want to coordinate a crosscutting initiative that affects so many different departments, including energy, EPA, Commerce, and so on you need to do this out of the White House." - CFAP, aka Jones.

Sounds like a CZAR to me.

#31 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2009-09-06 10:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

Van Jones, like Obama tries to pretend that all that radical, racist crap is only in his past but is actually an integral part of his present and future.

#32 | Posted by fwthom at 2009-09-06 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

"These would be the same elements of media the Riiight had no complaints about when they were regurgitating the lies of Bush and his enablers that led us into is War of Choice, correct?"

If you'll go back and do some research, Doc, you'll find that MANY people were "regurgitating the lies." People like Clinton, Gore, Hillary, Kerry.....oh, hell...go here and read about 'em yourself.

www.snopes.com

#33 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-09-06 10:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

The guy was batshit crazy, thanks Glenn Beck!

Now I wonder . . . Who the next Obama rat we should hunt down and have disposed of like a piece of garbage?

#34 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 10:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Sounds like a CZAR to me."

We don't need no stinkin' czars!

#35 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-06 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Now I wonder . . . Who the next Obama rat we should hunt down and have disposed of like a piece of garbage?
There are plenty of rats...in BOTH parties...but if I get to vote for who's next, I vote for Charlie Rangel!

#36 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-09-06 10:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

This guy looks easy enough to pit in the garabage:

23. Regulatory Czar - Cass R. Sunstein *

Title: Administrator of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs
Salary: unknown
Reports to: Office of Management and Budget head Peter Orszag
Appointed: January 2009
Nomination was sent to Senate on April 20, 2009 - no action yet taken
Agency that might have handled similar issues: OMB

Will be responsible for reviewing draft regulations and assessing their costs and benefits
Is a Harvard Law School professor; prior to that, was a professor at the Univ. of Chicago Law School (1981-2008)
Academic specialties: constitutional law, administrative law, and regulatory policy
Obama: "Cass is not only a valued advisor, he is a dear friend"
Known for advancing a field called "law and behavioral economics" that seeks to shape law and policy around the way research shows people actually behave; though embraced by conservatives, critics say it fails to account for the sometimes less-than-rational aspects of human behavior.
In his 2002 book, Republic.com, discussed the drawbacks of limitless choices on the Internet that allow people to seek out only like-minded people and opinions that merely fortify their own views; he talked about the idea of the government requiring sites to link to opposing views. He later came to realize it was a "bad idea."
In his 2004 book, Animal Rights, suggested that animals ought to be able to bring suit, with private citizens acting as their representatives, to ensure that animals are not treated in a way that violates current law.
In a 2007 speech at Harvard he called for banning hunting in the U.S.
The American Conservative Union started a website, Stop Sunstein, in an effort to keep him out of the White House.

What a freak! The best part is all you have to do is tell people about loons like Sunstein and they do the work for you.

#37 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 10:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

"23. Regulatory Czar - Cass R. Sunstein *"

Is this the bogeyman du jour?

#38 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-06 11:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Please tell me you're not one of the 30% or so of the incurable hardline left-wingers who find NO wrong with this administration.

I've criticized Obama on many subjects, particularly where he's carried on unconstitutional practices with regard to detainees and terror suspects.

I was just noting that some right wingers screamed for Jones' head, they got Jones' head, and they kept right on raging. Jones was just an opportunity for them to portray Obama as a dangerous radical and attempt to politically weaken him. Next week, they will find a new excuse.

#39 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 11:03 AM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone notice how Obama did what right-wingers wanted -- got Jones to resign -- and didn't gain even an ounce of support from them?

The Obama Reign had been watching Van Jones for quite some time. He was handpicked knowing the MSM would NEVER look into his past. Thank God for Glenn Beck otherwise Obama would still have his racist Green Jobs czar.

#40 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-09-06 11:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Next week, they will find a new excuse.

#40 | Posted by rcade

One person's excuse is another person's reason.

#41 | Posted by American1st at 2009-09-06 11:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Ah, yes. Attributed to that vast right wing conspiracy which just happened to have mass support from independents and was constructed around a self avowed communist and racist's [b]own[/b] statements. By the end of the day, we'll be hearing about his martyrdom at the hands of the republican racism machine. Disgusting.

Stay tuned for wack job science czar Holdren being thrown under the Obama bus next. If a republican special advisor to the president had written at length about forced abortions and sterilizations to achieve a governmental policy, the media would have screamed.

#42 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-09-06 11:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

RCade,

This is headline news.

Why isn't this thread in 70 pt bolded centered type?

The man was more dangerous to America than ANY of Bush's Administration.

#43 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-06 11:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

The man was more dangerous to America than ANY of Bush's Administration.

#44 | Posted by Eddie

Go crawl back under your bed, sheepstain.

#44 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-06 11:13 AM | Reply | Flag:

The guy was batshit crazy, thanks Glenn Beck!

Now I wonder . . . Who the next Obama rat we should hunt down and have disposed of like a piece of garbage?

#35 | Posted by zulu

I am happy to see that Glenn Beck actually does good for the country! All this time I just listened to his show to laugh.

Thank you Glenn Beck.

#45 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-06 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Why isn't this thread in 70 pt bolded centered type?

Because Van Jones was a minor official. I hadn't even heard of him before the right wing made him the dangerous radical of the week.

He was handpicked knowing the MSM would NEVER look into his past.

Say what? The mainstream media covered him for several days last week, which is what led to his resignation.

If you were correct and the media never looked into him, he'd still have a job.

#46 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 11:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Go crawl back under your bed, sheepstain.

#45 | Posted by nullifidian

LOL!!

Stop crying, you know it's true! That's what gives me great satisfaction.

Bush was bad and steered the country into the wrong direction.

You idiots voted in Liberals to fix it!

I TOLD YOU NOT TO!!!

Now you get it.

#47 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-06 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Because Van Jones was a minor official. I hadn't even heard of him before the right wing made him the dangerous radical of the week."

Dude, the guy was scheming to become Master of the Universe!

#48 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-06 11:17 AM | Reply | Flag:

Because Van Jones was a minor official. I hadn't even heard of him before the right wing made him the dangerous radical of the week.

#47 | Posted by rcade

However, Van Jones went a long way in showing the real nature of the Obama Administration.

My question, is the DNC just stupid and careless by picking the first promising black to come along man to become President, or does the DNC really want to push America into Socialism?

#49 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-06 11:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

Obama is beginning to upset me. He keeps trying to appease the right when they will never be satisfied until he is out of office. We tried stop Bolton and Bush told us to fuck off. We need to tell the right to fuck off. We also need to find ways to go after right wing media. IRS investigations is a good start.

#50 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 11:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Jones was just an opportunity for them to portray Obama as a dangerous radical and attempt to politically weaken him. Next week, they will find a new excuse."

I surely hope so.

#51 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-09-06 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

My question, is the DNC just stupid and careless by picking the first promising black to come along man to become President, or does the DNC really want to push America into Socialism?

#50 | Posted by Eddie

We already have some socialism. You idiots act like it is such a horrible word.

#52 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 11:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

And every time Communism comes around, million of innocent people die, either of starvation or the hungry citizens rebelling against their communist oppressive government. ~ Hlloona

And, every time Capitalism comes a-round, millions of in-nocent people die - Either of starvation or due to the un-caring "profit a-bove all else" mentality of their corporate op-pressors.

If you be-lieve that China and North Korea are true Communist societies, I've a time share in Florida that you might be interested in.

#53 | Posted by Decadence at 2009-09-06 11:25 AM | Reply | Flag:

"He keeps trying to appease the right when they will never be satisfied until he is out of office."

LOL...why do you and your little friends keep excluding the blue dogs and especially the independents? it's not just the "right" expressing dissatisfaction. I expect he's more worried about THEM than he is the "right."

#54 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-09-06 11:26 AM | Reply | Flag:

Blue Dogs aren't going to town hall meetings. It's the 25% of your party that are loons like yourself.

#55 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 11:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

That is how a real administration deals with new information by making new more intelligent decisions and not just STAYING the COURSE and IGNORE IT like dangerous, hillbilly, drunk pretend Cowboys!

Scooter Libby - Bush stayed the course and Republicons defended, never resigned after strong evidence of crimes, eventually arrested

Karl Rove - Bush stayed the course and RepubliCons defended intensely, refused to resign for years after strong evidence of crimes

RummsFeel - Bush stayed the course and RepubliCons defended intensely, refused to resign for years after strong evidence of abuse and corruption

Gonzalez - Bush stayed the course and RepubliCons defended intensely, refused to resign for years after strong evidence of abuse and corruption

Larry Craig - Stayed the course and RepubliCons defended intensely, refused to resign for years after strong evidence and admitting guilty to filthy dangerous public crimes

Kay Bailey Hutcherson - Donated to Hate organization, Stayed the course and RepubliCons defended

Sarah Palin - Donated to Hate organization, Abused Power, Abused State Funds, Stayed the course and RepubliCons defended intensely, refused to resign for years until recently

"Bobby" Jahal - Donated to Hate organization, Abused Power, Abused State Funds, Staying the course and RepubliCons defend intensely, refuses to resign

REMINDER: Y'all forget the proven 8 year Culture of Corruption under ReFlubliCONS crooks..??

Openly "Govt for Sale" policies, Abramhopf, Corrupt Alaskan Senator, Corrupt California Senator, Corrupt Ohio Governor, Fixed elections charges, 3 gay Congressmen in a month exposed, etc, etc, etc

So - Lets be clear that Democrats again prove to have Class, Intelligence, and the ability to adapt to new data and facts

Totally unlike all Ditto Shaivos who let a totally zero educated, zero experienced, fat LushBong dictate their thinking based on deranged evil "exHELLence" hate against America and your own Leaders..!!!

Wake Up Dittos (clones) and stop being too lazy to think for yourself and letting Radio Comedians with zero credentials dictate your thinking based on corporate profit-driven fully funded PROVEN LIES!!

#56 | Posted by gunner at 2009-09-06 11:35 AM | Reply | Flag:

We already have some socialism. You idiots act like it is such a horrible word.

#53 | Posted by jackass

Yes we do and we are trying to get rid of that because it doesn't work.

If Obama is doing anything good, he's exposing SS and Medicare for the failures they are.

Bush tried to find a way for the younger generation to opt out of it, but he screwed that up too.

Jackass, you are trying, but I don't think you will get it.

#57 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-06 11:36 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Blue Dogs aren't going to town hall meetings. It's the 25% of your party that are loons like yourself."

Hmmm...I wonder who's really the loon. You're so full of shit you have a turd in every pocket.

"Friday, September 04, 2009
Leading liberals are already thinking the unthinkable: Challenging President Obama for the Democratic nomination in 2012."

www.rasmussenreports.com

#58 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-09-06 11:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

Jest it won't happen. Instead he has to worry about you all getting an anti-american pos elected like yourself. One who wants to engage in endless wars and wants to destroy all public programs.

#59 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 11:45 AM | Reply | Flag:

Blue Dogs aren't going to town hall meetings. It's the 25% of your party that are loons like yourself.

#56 | Posted by jackass

You just hate those loons, don't you?

Do you also think that the young people of Iran are loons also? They protested against what they thought was wrong. The people who went to Town Halls did the same.

#60 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-06 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Listen Hillbillys who are y'all brain fudged by another zero-credentials, zero-education, zero-experienced Fat Drugged hoppin' bobbin' Sweaty LUSHBong claiming "exHELLence" or the Bozo BECK - How is that possible with NO ACTUAL QUALIFICATIONS except "entertaining" weak vulnerable minds to rabidly hate their own American Leaders and helping TALIBAN and AL QUAIDA RECRUIT during a TIME OF WAR..????

Do y'all understand how deranged you appear by decidin' to believe and trust zero-credentials, zero-qualified RADIO COMEDIANS who HATE your own Country and Government!
But y'all REJECT a Harvard cum laude MASTER and DOCTOR in Political Science with solid proven America-growing legislative experience at State, Senate and Presidential levels..??

RepuliCONS: If you hate progress and the fact Obama ended the 8 year RepubliCon Recession in 8 months; Please move to Somalia Today and Leave America for the Civilized
- your Wet Dream come true and the Slavin' South you killed to defend (and lost)!!
It is everything you have done to Iraq and want America to be again!!

No "pesky" Govt, Rules, Laws, Regulations, Taxes, Social Programs, Health Care.
Just unlimited Gun Totin', Killin', Enslavin', Torturin', Lyin', Stealin', Schemin', Exploitin', Greedin'
and then read the BIBLE on Sundays while faking to be "Christ"ians by ignoring EVERY SINGLE WORD except those of SATAN!!

Why are they Soooo RepubliTarded, and yet so near! - DRB

#61 | Posted by gunner at 2009-09-06 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Yes we do and we are trying to get rid of that because it doesn't work.

If Obama is doing anything good, he's exposing SS and Medicare for the failures they are.

Bush tried to find a way for the younger generation to opt out of it, but he screwed that up too.

Jackass, you are trying, but I don't think you will get it.

#58 | Posted by Eddie

I'd say they are doing what we intended them to do. They keep millions of elderly Americans healthy and under decent shelter. Imagine the dire straits many of our elderly would be in if not for these two programs.

#62 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 11:47 AM | Reply | Flag:

One who wants to engage in endless wars and wants to destroy all public programs.

#60 | Posted by jackass

I hate the wars and the expansion across the globe.

What we need is for another Reagan to come along and finish the job he started.

#63 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-06 11:48 AM | Reply | Flag:

Destroying the middle class is what he started. Horrible man is what he was. May he rot in hell.

#64 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 11:50 AM | Reply | Flag:

#62 | Posted by gunner

I think somebody peed in Gunner's cereal this fine Sunday morning.

#65 | Posted by jestgettinalong at 2009-09-06 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

Imagine the dire straits many of our elderly would be in if not for these two programs.

#63 | Posted by jackass

The majority of older people would be a lot more wealthy.

These programs were created to help the small number of older folks from falling between the cracks when they were older. Social Security was a just-in-case-I-lose-everything policy.

Now? Everyone depends on it and gets it. No one plans for the future. Most people retire depending on SS being there to pay for basics, food and shelter.

The programs are abused!

What's more, the private Insurance industry supports Medicare. Private insurance backs up what Medicare doesn't pay.

If people were in the mindset to invest rather than run up credit cards their entire lives (useful idiot consumers), then most would not need Social Security and Medicare.

I like the intension of the policy from the beginning. Have a social safety net for those who were either careless or met with an accident.

#66 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-06 11:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

People did invest. The market crashed and people were wiped out. The Market is a risk. Planning ahead isn't always enough.

#67 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 11:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

"I hate music threads."

"dire straits"

www.youtube.com

#68 | Posted by Zatoichi at 2009-09-06 11:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

"These programs were created to help the small number of older folks from falling between the cracks when they were older."

Every time you open your mouth something stupid comes out. Those programs were created to help the vast majority of Americans who without SS ended up living with their kids or else ended up in extreme poverty. Without Medicare the vast majority of older Americans would go without medical care.

"What we need is for another Reagan to come along and finish the job he started."

He doesn't need to combe back, George Bush pretty much completed the destruction of the middle class.

What is so funny about it is that EDDIE is not now and never will be a part of th wealthy class. He's just a wannabe nit wit susceptible to the 24/7 propaganda network. Laughable and certainly not worthy of serious debate.

#69 | Posted by danni at 2009-09-06 12:01 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rcade states:

'Say what? The mainstream media covered him for several days last week, which is what led to his resignation.

If you were correct and the media never looked into him, he'd still have a job.'

They did they're best not to mention Van Jones. So you can relax, they were packing as much water for Obama as possible.

The solution isn't the MSM, it's the internet and talk radio. One problem solved this week :)

#70 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 12:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

Destroying the middle class is what he started. Horrible man is what he was. May he rot in hell.

#65 | Posted by jackass

This makes no sense. What is the middle class? How long are we going to support this concept at the expense of the world?

Our dollar has been very strong for decades. So much so, that the Federal Reserve has been able to just print money at a rate that it would increase the money supply (wealth to grow the middle class) and not so much that it would devalue the currency. They've been doing this for close to 100 years, but we've seen parabolic results in the last 30 (Globalism).

Increasing the money supply put un-earned wealth into the hands of common Americans through easy-to-get home loans and credit cards so that they could become Consumers and buy all that crap from overseas.

What an ingenious system?!!? It got other emerging countries hooked on the dollar and taxed them every time they increased the money supply (inflation).

#71 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-06 12:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

'So - Lets be clear that Democrats again prove to have Class, Intelligence, and the ability to adapt to new data and facts'

Now that's funny! Good one.

#72 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 12:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

The mainstream media covered Van Jones several days last week?

Ah, the libtard penchant for rewriting history and asserting fiction as fact.

From 9/4/09 Washington Examiner:

The Van Jones (Non) Feeding Frenzy

From a Nexis search a few moments ago:

Total words about the Van Jones controversy in the New York Times: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy in the Washington Post: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy on NBC Nightly News: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy on ABC World News: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy on CBS Evening News: 0.

If you were to receive all your news from any one of these outlets, or even all of them together, and you heard about some sort of controversy involving President Obama's Special Adviser for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation, your response would be, "Huh?" If you heard that that adviser, Van Jones, had apologized for a number of remarks and positions in the recent past, your response would be, "What?" And if you were in the Obama White House monitoring the Jones situation, you would be hoping that the news organizations listed above continue to hold the line -- otherwise, Jones, who is quite well thought of in Obama circles, would be history.

#73 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-09-06 12:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Link to the Washington Examiner story about the deafening silence from the media as a situation unfolded that was so serious that Van Jones had to resign.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

#74 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-09-06 12:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

#70 | Posted by danni

And you call me stupid?

Understand the facts before talking.

Danni, I think your defense of the Socialist Agenda is making you stupid. You start calling names because the way I use the facts threatens every move that Obama makes.

#75 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-06 12:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

Danni is right Eddie. Without these programs many of the elderly would be fucked. Private charity would not be enough.

#76 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 12:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

I love the part where they say he resigned. Got caught is more like it.

#77 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Without Medicare the vast majority of older Americans would go without medical care.

Yes, now they do because they've become dependent on it.

You fail to understand that if the program were managed to help the truly destitute (as it was originally intended) and not for everyone who didn't want to pay for Medical Insurance, then it would be working!

I am for the policy of helping those who can't afford it or can't get it because of illness.

Let me ask you this. Are you so stupid not to realize that the Nursing Home concept has been greatly expanded because of Social Security and Medicare?

Did you know that 36 states have an insurance pool for those who can't get insruance because of illness? This is an excellent idea and should be fixed and adopted by the rest of the nation.

Still think I'm stupid or are you still threatened?

#78 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-06 12:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Danni is right Eddie. Without these programs many of the elderly would be fucked. Private charity would not be enough.

#77 | Posted by jackass

No, Danni is right. They would be totally screwed, but it's because of the mismanagement of a really good idea.

#79 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-06 12:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

BECK, the Republicans and FOX news had nothing to do with his resignation, this "crack pipe" licked his own demise with that BIGoted mouth of his.

Personally I wish he stayed in. He was the gift that just kept on giving. I especially liked the little nugget he gave concerning White kids VS Black kids and the Columbine massacre...PURE GOLD!

Lol what a tool...

(crapping a tear) I'll miss him :(

#80 | Posted by nagear at 2009-09-06 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Still think I'm stupid or are you still threatened?

#79 | Posted by Eddie

Yes because a person on a fixed income with congestive heart failure or some other medical condition could never afford pvt insurance.

#81 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 12:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Private charity would not be enough.

#77 | Posted by jackass

you are missing the point.

Most people would provide for themselves if SS and MC were not there.

However, the small number of those who didn't have the money at retirement would be provided for under the original plan for SS.

#82 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-06 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

The mainstream media covered him for several days last week, which is what led to his resignation

Glenn Beck led to his resignation. The MSM covered it ONLY because Glenn Beck uncovered so much dirt on Van Jones that they couldn't continue to run away from the story.

#83 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-09-06 12:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Maybe if Obama adopts his science advisor's idea of forced abortions and sterilizations to reduce the population of "undesireables" we can finally solve the problem of making sure there are government benefits for all. ... or at least those who think correctly.

#84 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-09-06 12:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Eddie take a look at how 3rd world countries take care of their elderly. That is what America would look like if we adopted the system you want. That isn't what I would like to see.

#85 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 12:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

concerning White kids VS Black kids and the Columbine massacre...PURE GOLD!

#81 | Posted by nagear

I missed that one. Do you have a link?

#86 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-06 12:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Even better here's the video eddie.

"You've never seen a Columbine done by a black child. Never. They always say, We can't believe it happened here. We can't believe it's these suburban white kids.' It's only them. Now, a black kid might shoot another black kid. He's not going to shoot up the whole school."

hotair.com

#87 | Posted by nagear at 2009-09-06 12:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Imagine if a white special advisor to a republican president had said "You never see white kids doing drive by shootings."

The best part of this all is watching white liberals defend Van Jones. Pure gold.

#88 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-09-06 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Funny the parallels between the outrages over radicals the the rights outrages over protesting.

When the left protests it is over starting wars of agression.

When the right protest it is over health care for everyone.

When the left has "radicals" in government they are proponents of radical new jobs creations and the right flips out.

When the right has radicals in government, they are for solidifying american hegemony throughout the world by war, occupation and empirical exploitation-Richard Perle, PNAC, etc.

#89 | Posted by truthhurts at 2009-09-06 12:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes we do and we are trying to get rid of that because it doesn't work

"Keep your government hands off my medicare!"

#90 | Posted by truthhurts at 2009-09-06 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess Reinheitsgebot's retention is selective.

From MSNBS article

(I capitalized the two operative words of the statement)

"The Obama administration says it will release names of MOST visitors to the White House, starting at the end of this year. Information on visitors in the first eight months of his administration will remain secret though officials say they will CONSIDER narrow and specific requests."

#91 | Posted by UpL8 at 2009-09-06 01:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

What we need is for another Reagan to come along and finish the job he started.

#64 | Posted by Eddie

bankrupting our nation?

Destroying the middle class?

#92 | Posted by truthhurts at 2009-09-06 01:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Imagine the dire straits many of our elderly would be in if not for these two programs.

#63 | Posted by jackass

The majority of older people would be a lot more wealthy.

These programs were created to help the small number of older folks from falling between the cracks when they were older. Social Security was a just-in-case-I-lose-everything policy.

Now? Everyone depends on it and gets it. No one plans for the future. Most people retire depending on SS being there to pay for basics, food and shelter.

The programs are abused!

What's more, the private Insurance industry supports Medicare. Private insurance backs up what Medicare doesn't pay.

If people were in the mindset to invest rather than run up credit cards their entire lives (useful idiot consumers), then most would not need Social Security and Medicare.

I like the intension of the policy from the beginning. Have a social safety net for those who were either careless or met with an accident.

#67 | Posted by Eddie

Eddie obviously was not around in 2008 to see the collapse of the stock market.

#93 | Posted by truthhurts at 2009-09-06 01:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The majority of older people would be a lot more wealthy. "

Flag Never read a history book.

#94 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-09-06 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

you are missing the point.

Most people would provide for themselves if SS and MC were not there.

However, the small number of those who didn't have the money at retirement would be provided for under the original plan for SS.

#83 | Posted by Eddie

Fine that tax all income for SS and limit those who can receive it.

#95 | Posted by truthhurts at 2009-09-06 01:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who DIDN'T make THIS call?

#96 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-09-06 01:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Most people would provide for themselves if SS and MC were not there."

Flag / Never read a history book...really

#97 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-09-06 01:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

The entire nation owes a debt of gratitude to Glen Beck and Fox News for exposing Van Jones.

#98 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 01:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

There are no parallels on the right that will dismiss Obama's radical left wing special advisors.

No self professed facist racists to balance the self professed communist racist Van Jones.

No wack jobs who think we should seriously consider population control like forced abortions and sterilizations to achieve right wing objectives to balance Obama's science advisor, John Holdren, who had advocated for such considerations to achieve the left wing objective of saving the planet from the cancer of human civilization.

This is what happens when you elect a guy with no executive experience, who has a documented preference for far left wing policies and who has a history of surrounding himself with radicals on the left.

How's that whole hopey changey thing workin for ya?

#99 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-09-06 01:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

There are no parallels on the right that will dismiss Obama's radical left wing special advisors.

www.fromthewilderness.com

nope just advocates of wars of agression.

#100 | Posted by truthhurts at 2009-09-06 01:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Van Jones had the audacity to question whether 911 was an inside job and signed a petition asking for a full investigation. The White House is silent on the subject and has allowed Van Jones to resign rather than give the American public what it deserves--a full investigation into 911.

We have elected another pussy to the Presidency, another wimp afraid to be honest with the American people. We can spen 40 million investigating a blow job, but nothing investigationg the worst attack on American soil in almost 200 years.

#101 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Funny how he "resigned" today without ANY push from the Whitehouse.

Axelrod: "Absolutely not. This was Van Jones's own decision," Axelrod said. "He said in his statement that he didn't want his comments to become a distraction from the issue that is so important to the future of our economy and communities around the country, and I commend him for making that decision." Bullshit.

Asked if the president were offended by Jones's statements, Axelrod said he hasn't spoken with Obama. Bullshit.

Asked if he were offended, Axelrod said: "I haven't read all of his comments either." Bullshit.

Hasta la vista commie!!!

#102 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-09-06 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

#103 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-09-06 02:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Questioning 911 makes a person a commie? No. Saying such a thing makes you a moron.

#103 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 02:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

BB--Van Jones is a self ADMITTED Commie!!

Way back when he served prison time he converted to communism.

#104 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-09-06 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Questioning 911 makes a person a commie? No. Saying such a thing makes you a moron.

He is a self described communist, Boob.

#105 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-09-06 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

'Axelrod: "Absolutely not. This was Van Jones's own decision'

It just keeps getting funnier all the time!

#106 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 02:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

This is what really happened. On May 8, 1992, the week AFTER the Rodney King disturbances, I sent a staff attorney and Van out to be legal monitors at a peaceful march in San Francisco. The local police, perhaps understandably nervous, stopped the march and arrested hundreds of people -- including all the legal monitors.

The matter was quickly sorted out; Van and my staff attorney were released within a few hours. All charges against them were dropped. Van was part of a successful class action lawsuit later; the City of San Francisco ultimately compensated him financially for his unjust arrest (a rare outcome).

www.huffingtonpost.com

#107 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 02:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

BB--Van Jones is a self ADMITTED Commie!!

Way back when he served prison time he converted to communism.

#105 | Posted by MURPHY

Just stfu liar, he was in jail for a few hours he never pulled hard time.

#108 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nancy you ignorant socialist moron.

What do you mean by innovative thinker? Marxist/Communism has been around for a long time. What kind of innovation is that?

#24 | Posted by Hlloona

Define a long time. If my memory serves me it started in the early 1900s. To history, 100 years isn't a real long time.

#109 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-09-06 02:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Way back when he served prison time he converted to communism.

Posted by MURPHY at 2009-09-06 02:16 PM | Reply

What prison time?

#110 | Posted by reinheitsgebot at 2009-09-06 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

BB--Van Jones is a self ADMITTED Commie!!

#105 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-09-06 02:16 PM | Reply | Flag

I guess you are confused with the word IS. Understandable considering your republican leanings.

He said he WAS a communist. That means he no longer IS a communist.

I USED to be a Christian. I no longer AM a Christian. Can you grasp that concept? People change their opinions.

Van Jones WAS a self admitted communist.

Van Jones no longer IS a communist.

#111 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Questioning 911 is the act of a patriot--to avoid questions about 911 is the act of a sheeple. My point about Obama still stands.

That Bush lied about 911 should be enough for any American to question his actions, and demand a full, impartial, televised, investigation of 911, with Bush as a critical witness.

Bush Lies About 911

In addition, when Andy Card tells Bush about the second plane, and supposedly says-America is under attack", he doesn't wait for instructions--he says his piece and IMMEDIATELY turns and leaves---and Bush doesn't try to stop him to give him instructions. I say such action proves Card wasn't giving Bush new information--he was merely updating Bush on the progress of the mission. Can anyone imagine any scenario where whatever you were responsible for was attacked, and you would just sit there when informed? A general on a military post is in his office--a major sticks his head in the door and says "General, we are under attack.", and immediately closes the door and walks away. Does that sound like a reasonable scenario to you? Would such a thing ever happen? Don't you think the General would call the major back and start giving orders? Don't you think the major would wait for those orders? If the general were in the classroom with children, do you think he wouldn'y leave that classroom to take care of business? How about you? You are in your living room and one of your kids or a friend comes in and tells you someone is vandalizing your car, and immediately leaves---would you just sit there? Is it humanly possible to do such a thing? I don't think so. Andy Card was updating Bush--not giving him new information. Look how quickly Andy Card leaves after his statement to Bush---he didn't wait for instructions--he KNEW there would be no instructions.

#112 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Van Jones no longer IS a communist."

Really? He no longer "is" a communist? When did he profess that he no longer "is" a communist?

#113 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-09-06 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bye Bye Van Jones--!

Yeah and Jones is no longer a commie like Obama was never in that church and heard Wright's sermons...

#114 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-09-06 03:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

The greatest, noblest thing our leader Obama could do is to stand up and repeat the very excellent, reasoned defenses that the liberals on this forum have asserted on Van Jone's behalf.

Oh please ... please ...

#115 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-09-06 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Really? He no longer "is" a communist? When did he profess that he no longer "is" a communist?

#114 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-09-06 03:03 PM | Reply | Flag

en.wikipedia.org

#116 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 03:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

Van Jones no longer IS a communist.

#112 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Nor is he working for the Obama Reich! hehehe

#117 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-09-06 03:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Questioning 911 is the act of a patriot--to avoid questions about 911 is the act of a sheeple. My point about Obama still stands.

We have elected another pussy to the Presidency, another wimp afraid to be honest with the American people. We can spend 40 million investigating a blow job, but nothing investigating the worst attack on American soil in almost 200 years.

That Bush lied about 911 should be enough for any American to question his actions, and demand a full, impartial, televised, investigation of 911, with Bush as a critical witness.

www.youtube.com

SEE THE SHEEPLE DEFLECT TO WHETHER VAN JONES WAS A COMMIE RATHER THAN SEEK THE TRUTH OF 911--WATCH THEM PROTECT THE TREASONOUS BUSH WHILE CALLING VAN JONES A COMMIE.

This nation deserves the leadership it gets. Where's the video o the plane hitting the Pentagon--oh look over there---a COMMIE.

#118 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

The good thing about being a private citizen is that you can express your opinions without too many consequences. Van Jones called GOPhers retards. I agree with him. But then again I'm a private citizen so who cares?

#119 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-06 03:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Guess I'm not seeing the quote from wikimoron where he professes that is no longer "is" a communist.

"Jones responded to the criticisms by issuing a statement saying, "In recent days some in the news media have reported on past statements I made before I joined the [Obama] administration some of which were made years ago. If I have offended anyone with statements I made in the past, I apologize."

So he apologized if professing to be a communist has offended anyone. Maybe you need to be a libtard to twist that into a repudiation of communism.

#120 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-09-06 03:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone notice how Obama did what right-wingers wanted -- got Jones to resign -- and didn't gain even an ounce of support from them?

* puts hand up *

Ya, caught that.

Obama spends too much time worrying wot they think about him when he should be making them worry about wot he thinks about them.

The power.

Use it or lose it.

Be Well.

#121 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-09-06 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Questioning 911 is the act of a patriot--to avoid questions about 911 is the act of a sheeple. My point about Obama still stands.

That Bush lied about 911 should be enough for any American to question his actions, and demand a full, impartial, televised, investigation of 911, with Bush as a critical witness.

Bush Lies About 911

SEE THE SHEEPLE DEFLECT TO WHETHER VAN JONES WAS A COMMIE RATHER THAN SEEK THE TRUTH OF 911--WATCH THEM PROTECT THE TREASONOUS BUSH WHILE CALLING VAN JONES A COMMIE.

This nation deserves the leadership it gets. Where's the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon--oh look over there---a COMMIE.

#122 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Obama's problem is not with trying to get republicans to support him, it's getting independents to support him.

In case you haven't noticed, that ship is leaving port without Capt. Obama at the helm.

#123 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-09-06 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

The blog-god's ole pal Alan Colmes has an interesting and sane take on this Van Jones madness.

Here's the "why" of Van Jones being demonized:

The "why" is simple: he is a genuine left-wing liberal with a White House job. He is black. He used to be radical, and probably still has radical sympathies (you know, caring about poor black people and all that). He is, in other words, f***ing terrifying, if you frame his story right. (Gawker's words)

And here's the "how":

World Net Daily is an old and hugely popular far-right conspiracy "news" website. We've discussed their promotion and popularization of the birther conspiracy but both their influence and insanity cannot be understated. They have a huge email list. The people on that list click on ads and spend money. WND is almost as profitable as Gawker Media. The RNC needs access to that list. So they humor them. And they sponsor them.

And these are the people who insist that there will be FEMA concentration camps and a NAFTA superhighway and a single North American currency and, yes, it is birther central.

WND discovered Jones in April. They took publicly available information about Jones' civil rights past, his arrest at a Rodney King protest (he was not charged with anything because it was one of those illegal but common mass arrests) and his own statements about his youthful radicalism and made a scary, scary story called "Will a red' help blacks go green?"

Glenn Beck then picks up the story, and it snowballs from there.

It's all about understanding the difference between reality and perception of reality particularily as that perception is molded b one of the most sophisticated propaganda systems on the planet.

Found this interesting...

Van Jones is a mainstream liberal. He got there by way of a far-left radical course that doesn't sit well with the right. But, then, neither does liberalism. David Horowitz of Front Page Magazine is a right-wing conservative. He is a former Marxist whose parents were communists. He offered legal and financial assistance to the Huey Newton and the Black Panthers. Horowitz, like Jones, has renounced his early radical activities. The difference is, Horowitz is a darling of the right because his path led him to conservatism; Jones's path led him to liberalism. But I don't hear Horowitz being demonized for who he used to be.

www.alan.com

Nice 'un. Alan.

Spud takes back a good 8% of every rude thing he's ever sed about you.

/Hey, it's a start.

Be Well.

#124 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-09-06 03:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Questioning 911 is the act of a patriot--to avoid questions about 911 is the act of a sheeple. My point about Obama still stands.

That Bush lied about 911 should be enough for any American to question his actions, and demand a full, impartial, televised, investigation of 911, with Bush as a critical witness.

Bush Lies About 911

SEE THE SHEEPLE DEFLECT TO WHETHER VAN JONES WAS A COMMIE RATHER THAN SEEK THE TRUTH OF 911--WATCH THEM PROTECT THE TREASONOUS BUSH WHILE CALLING VAN JONES A COMMIE.

This nation deserves the leadership it gets. Where's the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon--oh look over there---a COMMIE.

#125 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 03:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone notice how Obama did what right-wingers wanted -- got Jones to resign -- and didn't gain even an ounce of support from them? He should learn from that on a bunch of other issues.

#23 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 10:31 AM

You're one crazy dude. Why in the hell should he get "an ounce of support" for getting someone to resign that should have never been appointed in the first place? These appointments are un-constitutional. Deal with it.

You live in an upside down world, man. Take a vacation from this place. It has pickled your brain.

#126 | Posted by Washboard at 2009-09-06 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hahahhaa, now the self proclaimed radical communist racist will be reborn as a hero of the left.

Book deals, Olberfilth and Hardleft show, Jones now get rich with the blessing of the corrupt left wing media.

The left will now make this bag of shit a martyr.

#127 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 03:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

You're talking about John Boton and George Bush, right?

#28 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-09-06 10:43 AM

Two wrongs make a right in your world? Is that the way it works? Mom, he started it.

Grow up.

#128 | Posted by Washboard at 2009-09-06 03:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

The left will embrace any scum bag freak if they hate America enough, hatred for the US is ingrained in their DNA.

#129 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 03:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jones had planned to move to Washington, DC, and had already landed a job and an apartment there. But in jail, he said, "I met all these young radical people of color -- I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was, like, 'This is what I need to be a part of.'" Although he already had a plane ticket, he decided to stay in San Francisco. "I spent the next ten years of my life working with a lot of those people I met in jail, trying to be a revolutionary." In the months that followed, he let go of any lingering thoughts that he might fit in with the status quo. "I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist."

Van Jones

Spud - David Horowitz was never recuited as a Czar for any Republican Administration.

#130 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-09-06 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Questioning 911 is the act of a patriot--to avoid questions about 911 is the act of a sheeple. My point about Obama still stands.

That Bush lied about 911 should be enough for any American to question his actions, and demand a full, impartial, televised, investigation of 911, with Bush as a critical witness.

Bush Lies About 911

SEE THE SHEEPLE DEFLECT TO WHETHER VAN JONES WAS A COMMIE RATHER THAN SEEK THE TRUTH OF 911--WATCH THEM PROTECT THE TREASONOUS BUSH WHILE CALLING VAN JONES A COMMIE.

This nation deserves the leadership it gets. Where's the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon--oh look over there---a COMMIE.

#131 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 04:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hey Stir.....

#132 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Van Jones was just the dumbest of the Obama brown shirts, otherwise known as czars. The adminstration is littered with crooks, tax cheats, and radical marxists well below the radar. The media coverup continues and it will as Van Jones is just the tip of the iceberg. Obama and his henchmen will continue to subvert the nation's values through many regulatory agencies filled with the econazis, marxist/socialists, and radical racists.

All of you dumbass Obama voters will soon be dismayed as all that you hold dear is taken from you. Not until Jones resigned did the media EVER cover the story that he is an avowed communits and a truther. How far can the journalism profession sink into the cesspool of managing the news for political favors? It may be a bottomless pit...

#133 | Posted by bumpkin44 at 2009-09-06 04:08 PM | Reply | Flag:

Thank you for proving my point Bob....

As always, you timing is impeccable.

#134 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Dark Overlords of the left acted too quickly on Van Jones, he needed more time to doctor up a phony rehabilitation of himself.

Hussein's handlers must have thought they would get a pass because Friedman was bamboozled by Jones rhetoric.

Van Jones is down, 30 more to go.

#135 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 04:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

#135 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag

You prove my point--you are as unAmerican as they come--as full of hate for America as possible. Proven by your support for a treasonous President.

Questioning 911 is the act of a patriot--to avoid questions about 911 is the act of a sheeple. My point about Obama still stands.

That Bush lied about 911 should be enough for any American to question his actions, and demand a full, impartial, televised, investigation of 911, with Bush as a critical witness.

Treasonous Bush Lies About 911--Gains Republican Support

SEE THE SHEEPLE DEFLECT TO WHETHER VAN JONES WAS A COMMIE RATHER THAN SEEK THE TRUTH OF 911--WATCH THEM PROTECT THE TREASONOUS BUSH WHILE CALLING VAN JONES A COMMIE.

This nation deserves the leadership it gets. Where's the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon--oh look over there---a COMMIE.

#136 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Keep it coming Bob, I know you speak for all liberals here.

Tell us more.

#137 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

Keep it coming Bob, I know you speak for all liberals here.

Tell us more.

#138 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 04:31 PM | Reply | Flag

I wish I did speak for all liberals here--facts are I speak for very few of the liberals on this site. They don't want to consider any questions about 911 because it is too horrible to contemplate, and would rather hide their heads in the sand than have an honest investigation, because they are bright enough to know the outcome. Basically, they are as big a pussy as Obama. You, and the conservatives on the site support a treasonous President because you put party above country, and Treason is fine as long as a conservative does it. If Bush would have been a liberal, he would have been in front of a firing squad long ago--maybe a double hanging with Saddam. Facts are my post stands as the only post by an American who truly loves his country. Yout continued support for a treasonous President proves my point. You are the leader of the sheeple on this site--lib and con---rcade included.

Questioning 911 is the act of a patriot--to avoid questions about 911 is the act of a sheeple. My point about Obama still stands.

That Bush lied about 911 should be enough for any American to question his actions, and demand a full, impartial, televised, investigation of 911, with Bush as a critical witness.

Treason You Can Believe In

SEE THE SHEEPLE DEFLECT TO WHETHER VAN JONES WAS A COMMIE RATHER THAN SEEK THE TRUTH OF 911--WATCH THEM PROTECT THE TREASONOUS BUSH WHILE CALLING VAN JONES A COMMIE.

This nation deserves the leadership it gets. Where's the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon--oh look over there---a COMMIE.

#138 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 04:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, why are you continuing to post the same comment over and over?

#139 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, why are you continuing to post the same comment over and over?

#140 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 04:43 PM | Reply | Flag

Because sheple like yourself can't respond to it with any semblance of intelligence. It proves my point---look--over there--it's a commie---much more important than 911. Expect to see it as long as this thread is up. Or until someone has the courage to address the point

#140 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

#139 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 04:39 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: BORING

Hey Rex - are we doing the other FF leage on ESPN?

#141 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-09-06 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bob, no one will address your point.

You see, you are insane, I know you lack the capacity to acknowledge this, but it's true.

#142 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 04:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

If we do, I'm not running it.

1st might want to, or you should run one.

I will be in it for sure.

BTW, the Husky's almost got LSU, they were clearly the better offensive team, but two key turnovers cost them a close game.

#143 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 04:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

You see, you are insane, I know you lack the capacity to acknowledge this, but it's true.

#143 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 04:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

I question your sanity for ignoring reality.

Bush Lied

Try a little reality r_zeitgeist---just once.

#144 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 04:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

9/11 Truthers are worse than the birthers.

#145 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-09-06 05:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

9/11 Truthers are worse than the birthers.

#146 | Posted by MURPHY

Explain please.

#146 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

Explain please.

#147 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 05:33 PM | Reply | Flag

She can't---it would require thought, and facing reality.

Bush Lied About 911

#147 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 05:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Awesome. Glad that racist libard piece of sh!t is out on his slimy ass. Good riddance!

#148 | Posted by utastaff at 2009-09-06 06:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

'The left will embrace any scum bag freak if they hate America enough, hatred for the US is ingrained in their DNA.'

That's the truth.

#149 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 06:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

Total words about the Van Jones controversy in the New York Times: 0.

Wrong. Here's proof:

tr.im

Total words about the Van Jones controversy in the Washington Post: 0.

Wrong. Here's proof:

www.washingtonpost.com
voices.washingtonpost.com
www.washingtonpost.com

At least five stories in the Times and Post on Van Jones in the past several days before the resignation.

#150 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 06:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Wrong. Here's proof:

www.washingtonpost.com
voices.washingtonpost.com
www.washingtonpost.com

At least five stories in the Times and Post on Van Jones in the past several days before the resignation.

#151 | Posted by rcade

I have the print editions right here in front of me. One of your links was dated Friday 5:24Pm which is obviously too late for the Friday edition. I do see one of those stories in the Saturday Edition. I will look through them again. I have the last 4 days print edition next to my desk.

#151 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 06:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oops. 4:52pm but still too late for Friday's edition

#152 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

What is this -- 1985? Who gets all of their news from the print editions? The web sites of the Times and Post reach millions, and the stories are right there.

#153 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 06:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who are you running cover for Rogers, the complicate media or other sycophants who will parrot the 'they reported it' line?

There is no real media anymore, the only one doing his job and investigating the Hussein regime is Glen Beck and he is being vilified by the left wing media outlets.

100's of journalist to look through Palin's children underwear drawers and 1 to investigate Ayers corrupt protege.

#154 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 07:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

At least five stories in the Times and Post on Van Jones in the past several days before the resignation

And about two weeks after Glenn Beck broke the story on the commie.

#155 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-09-06 07:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Next it will be, 'Pass the Health Care Reform for Van Jones.'

#156 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 07:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

And about two weeks after Glenn Beck broke the story on the commie.

I wouldn't trust Glenn Beck to tell the time.

#157 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 07:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

I check the Washington Times and The Washington Post online before I read the print edition. I just look at the print edition because I have a subscription. My wife likes print.

The big story on Friday was "Why is main stream media ignoring the story." The story was already a week or two old by then. Now mysteriously (i hate to use that word) these stories start appearing when you can already smell the resignation in the wind.

Seriously, even bloggers this weekend were predicting the resignation by Monday morning or Tuesday at the latest.

#158 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 07:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

From your TR link:

Conservatives are abuzz over the mainstream media's oversight of the story. According to the Washington Examiner, as of 11:30 a.m. Friday, none of the major news outlets, including The Times, had mentioned the controversy.

Liberals are covering their ears and eyes when it comes to any issue that draws negative attention to their Boy King. I had a heated debate with libeal friends of mine over the weekend and they couldn't stand the fact I was even talking bad about Obama! He could be roasting puppies and kittens in the Whitehouse kitchen at night and the brainwashed left would ignore it.

#159 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-09-06 07:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

RCADE, can we assume that you didn't view any of the videos on Drudge Report?

#160 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 07:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

When was the last time you listened to Glenn Beck, or watched his show?

One by one, he is going to bring down the Czar's, one by one he is going to expose the rats and roaches Hussein has tried to infiltrate the government with.

Beck has learned the lesson of Alinsky and Ayers, he is building an army of fans and facts, and one by one he is going to take down the Hussein regime.

Beck is working his toward Ayers, building the case from the outside - in, and he is going to blow the lid of this rats nest.

#161 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 07:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Beck will be dealt with in due time. Nobody is above the law. The Clinton's were very good at dealing with nuisances. Obama needs to ask Hillary for a little help on this one.

www.etherzone.com

#162 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 07:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

I wouldn't trust Glenn Beck to tell the time.

...becasue he lies every night on his show? That's why he has 3 million viewers every night. He's the ONLY person actually telling the truth. Wait until he digs up dirt on the other 31 czars.

#163 | Posted by Beachbuzz at 2009-09-06 07:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Funny thing is Glenn Beck's biggest tool against Van Jones was Google search. Supposedly anyone with a PC, Internet and Google could have exposed him. Weren't all the Van Jones videos on Youtube.

#164 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 07:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Glenn Beck probably has skeletons in his own closet. Maybe they need some light shined on them.

#165 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 07:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure the Clintons are investigating him as we speak.

#166 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 07:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

The trickle of advertisers saying goodbye to Fox News fire-starter Glenn Beck for calling President Obama a racist has turned into a torrent.

Mercedes-Benz, Capital One, HSBC, Discover and seven other big firms are yanking their ads from Beck's show, boycott organizers said Wednesday.

"We applaud those companies that have recently pulled their support from Beck," James Rucker, executive director of ColorOfChange.org, said Wednesday.

"There are at least 57 companies who will not tolerate Beck's race-baiting comments."

Read more: www.nydailynews.com

#167 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 07:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

The arrogance of Hussein is mind boggling, he thought he could put a racist, felon, communist in charge of the 'fairy dust project' (ie green jobs) and get away with it.

Of course, so far he has gotten away with hiding the majority of his life.

But hell, I bet the New York Times is working on it right now!

#168 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

...becasue he lies every night on his show? That's why he has 3 million viewers every night.

Funny shit.

In Glenn Beck We Trust.

Maybe you've found your candidate for '12.

#169 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2009-09-06 07:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

JACKASS you got to do better than that. That just makes him more interesting.

#170 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 07:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm sure the Clintons are investigating him as we speak.

#167 | Posted by mysterytoy

Once you get in the Clinton's cross-hairs there is no escape.

#171 | Posted by jackass at 2009-09-06 07:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Mystery, I bet Hillary and Bill are feeding Beck intel.

No one profits more then Hillary when Hussein has to resign, clearing the way for 2012.

#172 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 07:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Did anyone notice anything about his prison time in the mainstream media articles? No? Gee imagine that.

#173 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rex

Really wish your weather was better up there.

You need to get out more.

#174 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2009-09-06 07:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Once you get in the Clinton's cross-hairs there is no escape.

#172 | Posted by jackass

Just ask Vince Foster .....

#175 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2009-09-06 07:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

One czar down.

#176 | Posted by bph320 at 2009-09-06 07:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

'At least five stories in the Times and Post on Van Jones in the past several days before the resignation.'

Wooohoooo! Pretty much after Glenn Beck had exposed the pinhead communist. And then they barely mentioned Van Jones.

Thanks Glenn Beck, this nation owes you a huge debt of gratitude.

#177 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 08:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Just ask Vince Foster "

Ask him what? He's dead. And anybody who thinks the Clintons murdered him is a rightwing nut.

#178 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-06 08:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

#22 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 10:28 AM | Reply | Flag: CAPTAIN OBVIOUS STRIKES AGAIN

#179 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-09-06 08:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

RCADE, can we assume that you didn't view any of the videos on Drudge Report?

I don't pay attention to most scandals until they reach the mainstream media. A lot of the stuff that starts in places like WorldNetDaily isn't credible.

My point on Van Jones is that if the mainstream never reported it -- as people are claiming -- he would have faced no pressure to resign. It wasn't until places like the Times and Post and ABC News jumped in that he felt the heat.

#180 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 08:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

He is probably going to get a job with Acorn now.

#181 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 08:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

'My point on Van Jones is that if the mainstream never reported it -- as people are claiming -- he would have faced no pressure to resign. It wasn't until places like the Times and Post and ABC News jumped in that he felt the heat.'

Your point is utter drivel. You can continue to try to make it though, it's entertaining.

Thanks Glenn Beck for exposing Van Jones, without Glenn Beck Van Jones would still be in office drawing Czar wages.

Glenn, a thankful nation salutes you.

#182 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 08:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Glenn Beck on Friday kept watching the clock waiting for the White House to call him about Van Jones. It was funny. He gave them until 5:30pm to call before he dropped the final Van Jones bomb.

#183 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-06 08:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

RCADE needs to work on his reading comprehension. Again, as I stated and this time notice the date. Better yet, produce the stories that ran prior to that piece.

From 9/4/09 Washington Examiner: Notice

The Van Jones (Non) Feeding Frenzy

From a Nexis search a few moments ago:

www.washingtonexaminer.com

#184 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-09-06 08:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Glenn Beck statement on resignation of Van Jones
September 6, 2009 - 18:38 ET

'The American people stood up and demanded answers. Instead of providing them, the Administration had Jones resign under cover of darkness. I continue to be amazed by the power of everyday Americans to initiate change in our government through honest questioning, and judging by the other radicals in the administration, I expect that questioning to continue for the foreseeable future.'

#185 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 08:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Thanks Glenn Beck for exposing Van Jones, without Glenn Beck Van Jones would still be in office drawing Czar wages.

Glenn, a thankful nation salutes you."

You ignorant fuck. Nobody has ever hear of Van Jones other than you rightwing loons. The nation would be thankful if you retarded sheepstains would just shut the fuck up and stop annoying everyone with your daily clown show.

#186 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-06 08:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yeah, you republicans and independents just go away and stop shining light on the cockroaches. Can't you see we're busy fundamentally transforming this racist, imperialist, homophobic, environmentally unjust and economically unjust country?

#187 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-09-06 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

'Nobody has ever hear of Van Jones'

That's the best part. Nobody had heard of him until Glenn Beck exposed him. He's just #1 on our hit parade. Ain't nobody going to rain on it, let alone a slack jaw name nullifdian.

#188 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 08:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Nobody gives a fuck about Van Jones, rtard, except for you slap-dick motherfuckers.

#189 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-06 09:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

#185....

Beside 'fair and balanced', now Fox can claim:

"We bring you news other networks are afraid or couldn't bring you.... we are your reliable source for all that are Newsworthy..."

#190 | Posted by takitez at 2009-09-06 09:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

'Nobody gives a fuck about Van Jones'

We cared. Now he's gone. Beautiful.

#191 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 09:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

NY Times Finally Picks Up Van Jones Story -- After He Resigns

"Appointed as a special adviser for 'green jobs' by President Obama, Mr. Jones did not go through the traditional vetting process for administration officials who must be confirmed by the Senate. So it was not until recently that some of Mr. Jones's past actions received broad airing, including his derogatory statements about Republicans in February and his signature on a 2004 letter suggesting that former President George W. Bush might have knowingly allowed the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks to occur in order to use them as a 'pre-text to war.'"

Priceless.

#192 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 09:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"We cared. Now he's gone. Beautiful."

Typical rtard dumbshit gets a hard-on because some nobody resigned. I guess you have to take whatever pitiful victories you can get.

#193 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-06 09:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Questioning 911 is the act of a patriot--to avoid questions about 911 is the act of a sheeple. My point about Obama still stands.

That Bush lied about 911 should be enough for any American to question his actions, and demand a full, impartial, televised, investigation of 911, with Bush as a critical witness.

Bush Lies About 911--Gains Republican Support

SEE THE SHEEPLE DEFLECT TO WHETHER VAN JONES WAS A COMMIE RATHER THAN SEEK THE TRUTH OF 911--WATCH THEM PROTECT THE TREASONOUS BUSH WHILE CALLING VAN JONES A COMMIE.

This nation deserves the leadership it gets. Where's the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon--oh look over there---a COMMIE.

#194 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 09:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Typical rtard dumbshit gets a hard-on because some nobody resigned."

Apparently he was a SOMEBODY in your eyes. Hence the acrid stench of a response.

#195 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-09-06 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Apparently he was a SOMEBODY in your eyes. Hence the acrid stench of a response."

You're an idiot.

#196 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-06 09:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

' I guess you have to take whatever pitiful victories you can get.'

So you're willing to admit it was a victory.

Is that why you're so sensitive?

Doesn't matter, slack jawed ideologues such as yourself are just so fun to kick in the head.

I love the empty sound that makes.

#197 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yea, who cares about a racist, felon, communist, radical who is appointed to an unchecked and unregulated czar position then handed billions in tax payer $'s?

If we don't see it, it doesn't matter.

Damn them rtards!

Sniff, sniff, poor Van Jones, what's a racist communist to do?

#198 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

RCADE needs to work on his reading comprehension. Again, as I stated and this time notice the date. Better yet, produce the stories that ran prior to that piece.

I never said stories on Van Jones ran prior to Sept. 4, genius. I said they ran for several days this week *before* he announced his resignation.

I've already shown you stories from Saturday and Friday.

This story was utterly unimportant until the mainstream media got involved Friday. No one outside of right wingers cares about 90% of the stuff that folks like WorldNetDaily, Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin get worked up about.

#199 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 10:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rex-
What is a "czar position", and what "billions in tax payer $'s" was Van Jones "handed"?

(I'll bet dollars to pennies that Rex won't answer either question)

#200 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-09-06 10:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rogers, no one cares about a felon, communist, racist being handed billions in taxpayer dollars?

In a unchecked and unregulated made up position?

Nice, now we know the standard of the hard left is, 'We Don't Care.'

Hahahahaha, look at that Bill, you created a 'movement'.

#201 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 10:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

#198 | Posted by zulu

Zulooooooser. Still crying about the election, loser?

#202 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-06 10:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

REX-
re: "being handed billions in taxpayer dollars"

There you go again. How was Van Jones "being handed billions in taxpayer dollars"?

You've stated it at least twice.

#203 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-09-06 10:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think we need to mark this moment, it's the creation of the hard left Husseinophants new creedo, 'We Don't Care.'

Whatever sick freak lowlife Hussein wants to have run the government, 'We Don't Care.'

Why don't those darn rtards just leave our freaks alone?

Hell, 'We Don't Care.'

#204 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, I think the piped piper of infanticide, Czar Holdren, needs to go next.

I know I'm drinking bottled water until he gets his dumb ass dumped by Hussein.

#205 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Questioning 911 is the act of a patriot--to avoid questions about 911 is the act of a sheeple. My point about Obama still stands.

That Bush lied about 911 should be enough for any American to question his actions, and demand a full, impartial, televised, investigation of 911, with Bush as a critical witness.

Bush Lies About 911--Proves He Had Prior Knowledge--Proves He was Part of the Conspiracy

SEE THE SHEEPLE DEFLECT TO WHETHER VAN JONES WAS A COMMIE RATHER THAN SEEK THE TRUTH OF 911--WATCH THEM PROTECT THE TREASONOUS BUSH WHILE CALLING VAN JONES A COMMIE.

This nation deserves the leadership it gets. Where's the video of the plane hitting the Pentagon--oh look over there---a COMMIE.

#206 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

'Zulooooooser. Still crying about the election, loser?'

A LOT of people are crying. More and more every day. People don't being lied to and Barry just keeps proving everyone on the right who said he was steaming pile of cat manure correct. That and Barry can't seem to be able to turn the economy around with all his years of executive expertise. Wait. He never had any - never mind.

That explains me. Why are you crying? Oh, ya! Your buddy Van Jones was squished today and you are in mourning. How sad. Pardon me while I see who's next on the list.

#207 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rex will never answer the question.

#208 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-09-06 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Buffalo Bob PLEASE PLEASE STOP THE SPAMMING. Jesus Christ how many bloody times are You going to post that??

Larry

#209 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-09-06 10:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hussein puts em' in, Glenn Beck take em' out.

Sweet Symmetry.

#210 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bush Lies About 911---Republican response---WE DON'T CARE

Bush Lies About 911---Republicas Just Don't Care--Ask For More War

#211 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-06 10:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

Niceville got permanently banned for less spamming then that.

#212 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 10:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

'BTW, I think the piped piper of infanticide, Czar Holdren, needs to go next.'

Holdren? He's out in the open, no need to push him he'll fall under his own weight.

How about # 23. Regulatory Czar - Cass R. Sunstein?

#213 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 10:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rogers, no one cares about a felon, communist, racist being handed billions in taxpayer dollars?

Jones wasn't handed billions of dollars. He was asked to supervise how the green-jobs part of the stimulus package was being spent by the government agencies that it was allocated to by Congress.

There's a huge difference.

#214 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 10:28 PM | Reply | Flag:

'Hussein puts em' in, Glenn Beck take em' out.'

That's a hoot. Seems like Beck is more that up to the challenge. Barry Obama promised his administration would be the most transparent in history, doubt he knew that would be because of Glenn Beck.

#215 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

So what is the difference?

What 'is' is?

If you are tasked with supervising the distribution of billions of our tax dollars in a unchecked and made up position, you don't think that is important?

I guess no one cares what happens to their tax dollars as long as Van Jones is stopping planetary genocide by whitey.

#216 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rex-
Van Jones was merely an advisor, and had no control over the disbursement of "tax dollars", but I'm glad to see that this has rallied the crazies around the crazy-in-chief, Glenn Beck. I can think of no other leader up to the task of thoroughly expressing just how loony you people are. With fresh wind under the Glenn Beck lunatic sails, it is just a matter of time before he, and you, implode for all to see.

#217 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-09-06 10:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

RCADE-
There is no truth or lie to these folks, only what is effective or ineffective bullshit. Lying is working well for them so far (death panels, subsidies for illegal immigrants in health insurance bill, Obama a secret muslim/Kenyan, etc., etc.)
Another layer added to this is Rex's egotism, but I'm sure you are familiar with that.

#218 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-09-06 10:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Policy czars go back to Clinton and perhaps further. They're not "unchecked" positions -- they can get fired and are subject to the same rules as any other federal government position.

The Republican rhetoric about how they are some kind of unaccountable powerful shadow figures in government is hilarious. Paranoid much?

#219 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 10:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let's just hand over $30 billion dollars in US tax money to this racist, communist, truther, to dole out as he sees fit.

Hell, 'We Don't Care.'

#220 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 10:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rcade, Rcade, Rcade.

Where do I start. You just seem so uninformed on the issue. Van Jones was no little figure head, and represented Obama's sidestepping of the confirmation process whereby he has inserted his radical lunatic fringe brethren into positions of power in the government.

'He was asked to supervise how the green-jobs part of the stimulus package was being spent by the government agencies that it was allocated to by Congress'

If you wrote it why are you having such a hard time understanding it?

#221 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 10:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sweet. Looks like #23 Regulatory Czar - Cass R. Sunstein has already stepped in it.

#222 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 10:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

Right, it's paranoid to be concerned about radical Marxists being appointed to positions of power in the government.

You need to run with that one Rogers, out of work governors are cause for concern, while concern for radical communist racists doling out billions as they see fit is 'paranoid.'

Nice.

Really doesn't matter though, Hussein booted him to the curb like he does everyone who brings him heat.

Now Van Jones can go on the Maddow/Olberfilth tour and sell 12 copies of his 'green book.'

#223 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 10:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

where is the birth certificate?
says worldnetdaily .... getting under the nerve of liberal MSNBC.

#224 | Posted by takitez at 2009-09-06 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Zulu-
Van Jones had no role in the actual disbursement of funds as far as I can tell. Therefore, to say that Van Jones was "handed billions in taxpayer dollars" (as Rex claimed) is simply false.

#225 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-09-06 10:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Zulu, I bet Leo DeCaprio is crying in his chardonney tonight about losing a 'green champion' like Van Jones

Of course, this is as he flies around in circles in his private jet.

Hell, I am going to open a bottle of wine in celebration of Leo's pain!

#226 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 10:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

from the article -

The tipping point for the White House appeared to be Jones' admission earlier this week that he had signed a petition in 2004 calling for congressional hearings and an investigation by the New York Attorney General into "evidence that suggests high-level government officials may have deliberately allowed the September 11th attacks to occur."

In a statement issued Thursday evening Jones said of "the petition that was circulated today, I do not agree with this statement and it certainly does not reflect my views now or ever." An administration source said Jones says he did not carefully review the language in the petition before agreeing to add his name.
...
A former civil rights activist in the San Francisco area, Jones told the East Bay Express in 2005 that the acquittal of Rodney King's assailants in 1992 in that infamous police brutality case changed him significantly.

"I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist."

Jones and other young activists in 1994 formed a group called Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement, or STORM, rooted in Marxism and Leninsm....

How could this man, who was looking to go into politics sign a petition saying he felt our government was behind 9-11 and then say he "didn't review the language." Either he's a liar or a stupid fool who signs things he doesn't read.

I voted for Obama, dragged kicking and screaming to the voting booth because I had to vote for one of the ONLY two candidates with a chance in hell of winning -- Obama or McCain -- and everyone knew McCain had promised at least 4 more years of Bush's disasterous policies.

I took a lot of flak voting for Obama but who else was there if I didn't want to vote for a Bush clone? And I don't hide by voting for Libertarian and Green Party and other 3rd party candidates so when the s--t hits the fan I can say "Oooooooo, don't blame me, I never voted for him."

THAT SAID -- I am now going to come down on Obama. Does Obama ever vet his candidates before he puts them in positions of power?

Obama is putting known Communists in our government, former "rowdy [Black] nationalists who...[b]y August had turned Communist" 'cause he was a die hard cop hater after the Rodney King incident. (I lived through and personally saw the Rodney King riots and it was not a pretty picture.)

How many other anti-American, cop hating commies who were former Black Nationalists who sign important petitions they never even read are in the Obama Administration?

And I was not one of the anti-Obama people on here who hated the guy since day one. I was willing to give him a chance but I sure don't like Obama's homies.

#227 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-09-06 10:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

where is the birth certificate?
says worldnetdaily .... getting under the nerve of liberal MSNBC.

#225 | Posted by takitez at 2009-09-06 10:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's it! Keep it going!

(You'll notice that REX is unable to establish that Van Jones was "handed billions in tax payer $'s", because he wasn't. Rex will never admit that, though, as truth and lies to those like him are merely the means, and not the end. Catch them in one lie, and they tell another.)

Have fun.

#228 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-09-06 10:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I hate to break this to the people freaking out over how czars were not confirmed by the Senate, but presidents have lots of appointees who do not require confirmation. Who the hell cares? They're still answerable to the president, who is answerable to us.

#229 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 10:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Chris, the answer to your question is YES, Hussein vets his people very carefully. It is a designed plan and strategy to appoint these types to positions of power.

I have been saying it for over a year, read 'Prarie Fire by the Weather Underground, their playbook is in full effect and a big part of that is appointing tax cheats, communists, and felons to positions of power.

It was written in 1974, I didn't make up Ayers words, they match the Hussein regime game plan exactly.

#230 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 10:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

rhetoric about how they are some kind of unaccountable powerful shadow figures in government is hilarious. Paranoid much?

#220 | Posted by rcade

More like cynical. Paranoid is a more fitting description of Libs when it comes to Sarah Palin.

#231 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2009-09-06 11:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

We are a guerrilla organization. We are communist women and men, underground in the United States for more than four years. We are deeply affected by the historic events of our time in the struggle against U.S. imperialism.

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Our intention is to forge an underground, a
clandestine political organization engaged in every form of struggle, protected from the eyes and weapons of the state, a base against repression, to accumulate lessons, experience and constant practice, a base from which to attack.

Revolutionary war will be complicated and protracted. It includes mass struggle and clandestine struggle, peaceful and violent, political and economic, cultural and military, where all forms are developed in harmony with the armed struggle.

It will not be immediate, for the enemy is entrenched and intractable. It will require lengthy, deliberate political and armed

#232 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 11:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Cuckoo ... cuckoo ... cuckoo ...

#233 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 11:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

BetelG ,

'Van Jones had no role in the actual disbursement of funds as far as I can tell.'

He wouldn't have signed the checks, but he would have said who got the money.

#234 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 11:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

'Zulu, I bet Leo DeCaprio is crying in his chardonney tonight about losing a 'green champion' like Van Jones'

It's a beautiful thing. Wait. Can you feel it? The world is just a better place now that Van Jones is humiliated.

(not that he doesn't already have a job with acorn)

#235 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 11:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Now many more revolutionaries will need to shape and change the paper. The politics cannot be realized unless and until the content of the program is activated in thousands of situations, among thousands of people in the coming period. PRAIRIE FIRE will be a growing thing.

We hope the paper opens a dialectic among those in the mass and clandestine movements; we hope people will take PRAIRIE FIRE as seriously as we do, study the content and write and publish their views of the paper as well as their analysis of their own practice. We will respond as best we can.

Our movement urgently needs a concrete analysis of the particular conditions of our time and place. We need strategy. We need to battle for a correct ideology and win people over. In this way we create the conditions for the development of a successful revolutionary movement and party. We need a revolutionary communist party in order to lead the struggle, give coherence and direction to the fight, seize power and build the new society. Getting from here to there is a process of coming together in a disciplined way around ideology and strategy, developing an analysis of our real conditions, mobilizing a base among the US people, building principled relationships to Third World struggle, and accumulating practice in struggle against US imperialism.

PRAIRIE FIRE is written to communist-minded revolutionaries, independent organizers and anti-imperialists; those who carry the traditions and lessons of the struggles of the last decade, those who join in the struggles of today. PRAIRIE FIRE is written to all sisters and brothers who are engaged in armed struggle against the enemy. It is written to prisoners, women's groups, collectives, study groups, workers' organizing committees, communes, GI organizers, consciousness-raising groups, veterans, community groups and revolutionaries of all kinds; to all who will read, criticize and bring its content to life in practice. It is written as an argument against those who oppose action and hold back the struggle.

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We have only begun. At this time, the unity and consolidation of anti-imperialist forces around a revolutionary program is an urgent and pressing strategic necessity. PRAIRIE FIRE is offered as a contribution to this unity of action and purpose. Now it is in your hands.

#236 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 11:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

'They're still answerable to the president, who is answerable to us.'

That's the point we've made rcade. And the great news is Obama seems to be listening. Strange, he acts like a Republican at times. Giving in like this, throwing Van Jones under the bus so quickly. Nancy Pelosi would never have caved. Anyway, we can all celebrate tonight.

#237 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 11:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

That's the point we've made rcade.

Not really. People are talking out of both sides of their mouth. On one side, it's "look, we held Obama accountable!" On the other, it's "these czars are dangerous because they answer to no one!"

#238 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 11:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

Signed

Bernardine Dohrn
Jeff Jones
Billy Ayers
Celia Sojourn

For the Weather Underground

#239 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do the names on that list sound familiar Rogers?

Do you know who Bernadine Dohern is?

How about Bill Ayers?

Do you know what Jeff Jones is doing right now and how he works for?

#240 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

He wouldn't have signed the checks, but he would have said who got the money.

#235 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 11:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Really? Pull that out of your ass, I'm guessing?

#241 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-09-06 11:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

'Not really. People are talking out of both sides of their mouth. On one side, it's "look, we held Obama accountable!" On the other, it's "these czars are dangerous because they answer to no one!"

You have a penchant for being confused.

It goes like this.

These czars are dangerous and we held Obama accountable.

Off to bed, it was fun.

#242 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 11:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

Rcade-
Welcome to Rex world.

#243 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-09-06 11:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

'Really? Pull that out of your ass, I'm guessing?'

One way to tell if someones cornered here at drudge is they start talking about pulling things out of a persons ass.

Get over it betel, tomorrow's another day.

#244 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-06 11:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Jeff Jones didn't just write Prairie Fire, Jeff Jones wrote huge swaths of the stimulus bill.

www.sodahead.com

Meet Jeff Jones. Obama's Author of Stimulus & Healthcare Bills

#245 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 11:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

"I never said stories on Van Jones ran prior to Sept. 4, genius. I said they ran for several days this week *before* he announced his resignation.

This story begins weeks before he resigns and you cite to the day before he resigns and the day that he resigns as "several days this week before his resignation"? You do know that he resigned on Saturday the 5th right?

Two days including the day he resigns is "several days this week before his resignation"?

The libtard reality twist continues.

#246 | Posted by HopeyChangey at 2009-09-06 11:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bill Ayers, hired Hussein to his first job, groomed and tutored him, wrote his first book.

Bernadine Dohern, Husseins first big political proponent, Hussein held his first political coming out party in her living room.

Jeff Jones, works for union 'Apollo Alliance', and wrote stimulus bill for Obama administration.

Facts. Facts.

These radical found their golden boy, Hussein, their Trojan Horse and have succeeded beyond their wildest fantasies.

#247 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 11:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

www.discoverthenetworks.org

#248 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 11:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

Bill Ayers, hired Hussein to his first job, groomed and tutored him, wrote his first book.

LOL. You're a fucking lunatic.

Thanks RCADE.

#249 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-09-06 11:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Btw, who do you think first brought Van Jones to Husseins attention?

One guess;
************

Born in 1944, Bill Ayers, along with his wife Bernardine Dohrn, was a 1960s leader of the homegrown terrorist group Weatherman, a Communist-driven splinter faction of Students for a Democratic Society. Characterizing Weatherman as "an American Red Army," Ayers summed up the organization's ideology as follows: "Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home, Kill your parents."

Today Ayers is a professor of education and a Senior University Scholar at the University of Illinois, where, as of October 2008, his office door was adorned with photographs of Mumia Abu-Jamal, Che Guevara and Malcolm X. He also has authored a series of books about parenting and educating children, including: A Kind and Just Parent; To Become a Teacher; City Kids; City Teachers; To Teach; The Good Preschool Teacher; Zero Tolerance: Resisting the Drive for Punishment in Our Schools; and Teaching Towards Freedom: Moral Commitment and Ethical Action in the Classroom.
**************

From the San Fransisco Chronicle October 9th, 1999;

www.sfgate.com

A supporter of a Pennsylvania death row inmate denied that demonstrators were trying to upstage a long-planned dialogue between Oakland police and local youth Thursday night.

If you believe that, perhaps I could interest you in purchasing a bridge located on the edge of West Oakland.

More than 150 demonstrators marched from 14th Street and Broadway to the Oakland Federal Building to demand that the Justice Department re-open its corruption investigation of the Philadelphia Police Department.

Supporters of Mumia Abu-Jamal, a death row inmate convicted for the 1981 shooting death of a Philadelphia police officer, said the protest was called after the Supreme Court on Monday rejected claims that Abu-Jamal, a former radio journalist and Black Panther, did not receive a fair trial.

``We knew there was another event going on, but the timing of the court decision is what dictated when the protest was held,'' said Van Jones, a San Francisco civil rights lawyer who helped coordinate the protest march.

#250 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-06 11:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

RCade is officially a fucking hack. End of story. Time to look in the mirror dude, you are pathetic.

#251 | Posted by JOE at 2009-09-06 11:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

I love it when conservatives act shocked and offended when a liberal is involved in liberal causes, as if being liberal is a reason to disqualify someone from public office.

News flash: Some liberals have been protesting on behalf of Mumia Abu-Jamal for years.

#252 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 11:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Stay classy, Joe.

#253 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 11:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Who the hell cares? They're still answerable to the president, who is answerable to us." - RCade.

Taking your over simplification to the extreme, which you seem to think is a solution, we should just remove congress all together? Well that would be fascism, hmmmmmm....

Throughout its history, Congress has engaged in oversight of the executive
branch the review, monitoring, and supervision of the implementation of public
policy. The first several Congresses inaugurated such important oversight techniques
as special investigations, reporting requirements, resolutions of inquiry, and use of
the appropriations process to review executive activity. Contemporary developments,
moreover, have increased the legislature's capacity and capabilities to check on and
check the Executive. Public laws and congressional rules have measurably enhanced
Congress's implied power under the Constitution to conduct oversight.

Despite its lengthy heritage, oversight was not given explicit recognition in
public law until enactment of the Legislative Reorganization Act of 1946. That act
required House and Senate standing committees to exercise "continuous
watchfulness" over programs and agencies within their jurisdiction.
www.fas.org

#254 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2009-09-06 11:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

This guy called Rcade a "hack":

"I'm more concerned about members of the political leadership who think they've got God on their side."

Glad to see you're concerned.

"We are God's partners in matters of life and death."
-Barack Obama

"God is with us and He wants us to do the right thing."
-Barack Obama

"When people work together, there is nothing that can stop us because that's God's intention."
-Barack Obama

Posted by JOE at 2009-09-04 09:55 AM | Reply

#255 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-09-06 11:59 PM | Reply | Flag:

Chris, here is a good article that was just posted;

***************

Van Jones-How Did This Happen To Obama

www.capecodtoday.com

President Obama has supplemented the normal Executive organization with dozens of "czars" who oversee the work of other department heads, or who become Obama's eyes and ears within existing departments. Van Jones, one of those czars, was charged with the development of green jobs. A firm believer in the Goriology theory of global warming (mankind is responsible), Obama apparently chose Jones (who wrote a book on the green economy) to add muscle to the government's efforts in that direction.

Surprise! Recent news reports indicate that Jones has resigned. Why? The reason is simple. His background became public and, therefore, embarrassing to Obama.

#256 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-07 12:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Taking your over simplification to the extreme, which you seem to think is a solution, we should just remove congress all together?

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. The fact that executive branch appointees are accountable to the president is in no way, shape or form a suggestion to abolish the legislative branch.

#257 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-07 12:10 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Judge me by the people who surround me,"

Barack Hussein Obama, 2008

Frank Marshall Davis - Communist - Pedophile
Bill Ayers - Terrorist - Communist
Bernadine Dohren -Terrorist - Communist
Jeff Jones - Terrorist Communist
Jeremiah Wright - Black separatist - Racist
Tony Rezko - Convicted Felon
Michael Pfleger - Outlandish white/white hater
Louis Farrakhan - Anti Semite - Black separatist
Rod Blagovich - indicted felon
Kwame Kilpatrick - Convicted Felon - Gansta Thug
Van Jones - Communist - Racist

#258 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-07 12:24 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Van Jones, we were so delighted to be able to recruit him into the White House, we have been watching him really...for as long as he's been active out in Oakland... and all of the creative ideas that he has... and now we have all of that energy and enthusiasm in the White House," Valerie Jarrett said.

#259 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-07 12:38 AM | Reply | Flag:

'I love it when conservatives act shocked and offended when a liberal is involved in liberal causes'

Rcade,

What you and your ilk are isn't liberal. Redistribution of wealth is NOT liberalism. Implementation of a centralized authority using front issues such as global warming, social justice and health care reform aren't the goals of a liberal.

Liberalism used to be about protecting the rights of the individual. About making sure everyone have a fair shot at the American dream. That's what Conservatives do now, and that why more and more moderates identify themselves as Conservatives.

You aren't a liberal. Van Jones wasn't a liberal. The causes Van Jones are involved in aren't 'liberal' causes any more than Hugo Chavez is involved in 'spreading democracy'.

You are either disingenuous or dangerously uneducated.

Oh, and good morning. It's going to be a loving day don't you think?

#260 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-07 07:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

In a proper functioning democracy liberalism is the force that works to take civilisation to the next level and conservatism exists to make sure the baby isn't thrown out with the bathwater in the process.

Neither party to be honest seems particularily concerned with the rights of the individual unless that individual is not a who but a what.

A corporate person who fills the campaign coffers of both sides of the aisle and thus win no matter who gets elected.

Redistribution of wealth is NOT liberalism.

Redistribution of wealth is reality.

There's only two kinds.

Rich get richer or poor and middle class get richer.

Both parties seem pledged to the first kind altho the Dems are not anywhere near as bad as the Reps at licking the boots of the ruling, unelected elites.

Implementation of a centralized authority using front issues such as global warming, social justice and health care reform aren't the goals of a liberal.

WTF does "Implementation of a centralised authority using front issues" mean anyways?

Global Warming?

That's neither a left nor right issue.

That's a species survival thang.

Social Justice isn't a liberal thing?

K, that's just nuts.

Why do you think they got rid of Van Jones here?

Taking Health Care back from the corporate near monopoly aint a lefty thang?

Of course it is.

Are you arguing that fixing the broken health care system is a conservative ideal?

S'rsly?

Be Well.

#261 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-09-07 08:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Gee. Why did RCade drop this thread with 260 comments from the front page and leave the 'how the right nuked poor van' with 60 comments?

'But as soon as the ensuing controversy began to bleed over onto the websites of ABC News, POLITICO, and other quarters of the mainstream media, the administration appeared to stop defending Jones. After passing on a statement Thursday from Jones indicating that he would hold fast, Gibbs declined to indicate Friday that he had Obama's confidence, and the resignation apparently timed for maximum obscurity in the early hours of a holiday weekend Sunday began to seem preordained.

The resignation, in turn, confirmed Beck's stature as the administration's most potent foe. Along with the talk radio host Rush Limbaugh and the Drudge Report's Matt Drudge, Beck helped drive a summer of protest against health care reform that turned the legislation into a referendum on change and government.

#262 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-07 08:01 AM | Reply | Flag:

Spuddy,

You know what it is. And that's why you exhausted 5 mins of your life to deny the obvious.

You are a slave and you don't even remember the transaction.

Anyway, off to work. Have a great day.

#263 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-07 08:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

www.drudge.com

Hey Zulu!

Looky here!

#264 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2009-09-07 08:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

You are a slave and you don't even remember the transaction.

Anyway, off to work. Have a great day.

Not saying anything, but something there struck me as a little funny.

#265 | Posted by TedBaxter at 2009-09-07 08:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Gee. Why did RCade drop this thread with 260 comments from the front page and leave the 'how the right nuked poor van' with 60 comments?

Two things.

First, both this story and the Gawker "nuked" article ARE still on the Front Page atm.

Second, The stories once they are approved fer the FP are kept up or dropped automatically by software not ego-maniacally by the blog-god.

Beck helped drive a summer of protest against health care reform that turned into a foamy-mouthed, rabid freak show that demonstrated clearly exactly how desperate and crazy the politically disenfranchised right are right now.

~Zulu

FTFY!

Be Well.

#266 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-09-07 08:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

#264 | Posted by zulu

Yer C&Ping yer own posts now?

Wot's the theory there?

If you can't be right once be wrong repeatedly?

Interesting debating tactic.

Be Well.

#267 | Posted by dethspud at 2009-09-07 08:19 AM | Reply | Flag:

Gee. Why did RCade drop this thread with 260 comments from the front page and leave the 'how the right nuked poor van' with 60 comments?

Software determines how long stories stay on the front page. The stories that draw the most comments move to the right-hand column and stay longer. Newer stories push older ones off the bottom of all three columns.

Liberalism used to be about protecting the rights of the individual. About making sure everyone have a fair shot at the American dream.

You don't understand liberalism. Liberals have protected the civil rights of Americans for decades, but they also have supported collective action on such matters as health care, retirement and environmental protection for just as long. One of the most important functions of government is to do necessary things that only can be done collectively -- from stuff as non-controversial as the U.S. highway system to Social Security.

#268 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-07 10:22 AM | Reply | Flag:

RCade,

'Software determines how long stories stay on the front page. The stories that draw the most comments move to the right-hand column and stay longer. Newer stories push older ones off the bottom of all three columns.'

I apologize. It was early is my only defense. At the same time I suspect you have the ability to pull stories if and when you deem necessary. You have a fine content management system, I doubt you did not incorporate ways to supersede the code when you need to.

'You don't understand liberalism. Liberals have protected the civil rights of Americans for decades'

That's contorted at best. I stand by my observation: Redistribution of wealth is NOT liberalism. Implementation of a centralized authority using front issues such as global warming, social justice and health care reform aren't the goals of a liberal.

A free society and a centralized authority are incompatible.

Let's say, for the purposes of this conversation, that a majority of people want a centrally administered healthcare system but a minority do not.

There is no provision in the constitution which gives the federal government the privilege of implementing such a system. However, in this scenario there are enough votes in congress to pass such legislation.

You say 'Liberals have protected the civil rights of Americans for decades' but this is the exact opposite of protecting the rights of those who have no desire to place their health care future in the incompetent hands of a centralized federal bureaucracy. That is not Liberalism.

If you advocate taking away the civil rights of people, no matter how well intended the reason, you are not a Liberal in the classic sense.

The argument de jour now is to point out that we enjoy many services that we have agreed to pay for using tax revenue, such as roads and schools, and that a national health care system is no different. The position held by those who use those public services as foils fail to acknowledge that issues such as global warming, social justice and health care reform are simply attractive causes which erode civil rights and enable the implementation of a totalitarian state.

What you have become is the kind of person who says the good of the many outweigh the rights of the few. And with that reasoning how long will it be before the right to free speech must also become a commodity which the centralized authority has the power to regulate?

#269 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-07 01:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

" this is the exact opposite of protecting the rights of those who have no desire to place their health care future in the incompetent hands of a centralized federal bureaucracy"

Let me guess...you want to make sure government keeps its hands off your Medicare, right?

#270 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-09-07 01:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Posted by zulu

sure gets convoluted, doesn't it?

don't sperms have rights?

#271 | Posted by Bani at 2009-09-07 01:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

how about eggs?...all of 'em!

#272 | Posted by Bani at 2009-09-07 01:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

how long will it be before the right to free speech must also become a commodity which the centralized authority has the power to regulate?

Posted by zulu

The right to Free Speech has already been thrown away by The People at the Health Care Town Hall Meetings---they didn't need the government to take it away. Yelling so loud that no others can talk--disrupting the meetings----kills Free Speech.

However, the government has always had the right to strip away Free Speech anytime it wants---all rights come from the government. Just like States Righters are all for States Rights until the State wants something they don't agree with---then they look to the Central Government for protection.

#273 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-07 01:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

Anyone notice how Obama did what right-wingers wanted -- got Jones to resign -- and didn't gain even an ounce of support from them? He should learn from that on a bunch of other issues.

#23 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-06 10:31 AM

Obama didn't do this to 'be nice to the right', and you know it.

He did it because Jones had become politically-toxic. Exact same thing when he stabbed Rev. Wright in the back.

Say what? The mainstream media covered him for several days last week, which is what led to his resignation.

If you were correct and the media never looked into him, he'd still have a job.

#47 | Posted by rcade

He was appointed in March. It was the rightwing media that brought his lunacy to light. The MSM only covered him after they could no longer afford not to.

Had Glenn Beck and others not brought this asshole to the forefront, the MSM would have probably never dug into this guy. This is where bias is so dangerous. The MSM probably DID look into this guy's history, but, because they are leftists themselves, his Jones' views probably seemed normal and thus they felt there was nothing to report.

Obama is the same way. He spent his entire life surrounding himself with far leftists and he views that outlook as normal and mainstream.

#274 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-09-07 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Exact same thing when he stabbed Rev. Wright in the back."

WTF? Wright stabbed himself in the back.

www.youtube.com

#275 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-09-07 02:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

According to Goatman and others that disagree with me about two countries, we should have people with different perspectives in our country, and government to give a balance. But once that actually happens, they bail, and their true objective comes out---only right wingers please--everyone else is unAmerican.

This is two countries. The right will never be satisfied as long as one liberal has a say in government. The right has never accepted a liberal concept as valid from the issue of slavery onward. They will never stop until it comes to bloodshed--again. This is two countries--one half hates the other half---let's face facts, and make the split as painless as possible with the least amount of bloodshed.

#276 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-07 02:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

WTF? Wright stabbed himself in the back.

www.youtube.com

#276 | Posted by Danforth

Obama sat in those pews for over 20 years.

When Wright's incendiary stuff came to light, Obama initially shrugged it off - 'he's like a crazy uncle.'

When Obama couldn't make the issue go away - he disavowed himself from Wright simply because he was politically toxic.

#277 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-09-07 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

'Let me guess...you want to make sure government keeps its hands off your Medicare, right?'

Whatever. It's broke and I'm young. Like I'll ever see a dime.

#278 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-07 02:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

When Obama couldn't make the issue go away - he disavowed himself from Wright simply because he was politically toxic.

#278 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-09-07 02:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

And......? So what? At least he wasn't tied to Osama bin Laden like the Bush family.

#279 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-07 02:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

#280 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob

Deflection alert!!!

#280 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-09-07 02:34 PM | Reply | Flag:

#187 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-09-06 08:50 PM

You stupid fuck. That is just what the Obummer admistration hopes for. That nobody knows these people.

What is happening is unconstitutional, you stupid fuck.

It's way way past time to make it clear to these asshole politicians that we aren't their "subjects", but rather, that they are ours.

You may want to allow them to interfere/dictate to private enterprise and individual personal decisions but it's only because you're skill sets don't permit you to own/operate a business and make a payroll and you're too fucking lazy to put in the effort to learn how. Reality is there isn't a market for sloth the exception being democrat politicians that delude you to belive you have a right to other peoples efforts without paying your own way.

Don't get to far away from your rock, slug. You'll need to be close enough to crawl back under it quickly as Americans wake up to your game.

#281 | Posted by Washboard at 2009-09-07 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Obama sat in those pews for over 20 years."

And a lot of the sermons were on tape. Why was there only one objectionable one?

"When Obama couldn't make the issue go away"

Maybe he got tired of all the mouth-breathers who didn't know Wright was paralleling the Bible.

Watch the NPC footage.

#282 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-09-07 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

Is there anything wrong with a politician disassociating himself with a person if that person becomes politically toxic? Seems like common sense to me.

#283 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-09-07 02:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"What is happening is unconstitutional"

Was it when Republicans did it, or only when someone with a (D) after their name?

#284 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-09-07 02:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

'all rights come from the government.'

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

The people who wrote the words seen above understood that rights are not bequeathed to people by government.

#285 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-07 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

'don't sperms have rights? '

Hmmmm. No. Well, mine don't. Maybe your sperm is different.

#286 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-07 02:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

#286 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-07 02:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

LOL--that isn't the Constitution, and is a government document. You use a government document to say all rights don't come from the government. Do the people of China have those same rights? No--because their government didn't give them those rights. Neither does any Creator or God promise any rights, and Jefferson did not speak for God or any Creator. Anything else?

#287 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-07 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Two hours until Beck time. I wonder who the czar in the cross hairs will be.

#288 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-09-07 02:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

Beck is close, he is tying all the connections together, soon he wont have to go after the minnows, soon he goes after the whale and his handlers.

All Beck needs is access to the Annenberg papers and he can send this cess pit to hell.

#289 | Posted by r_zeitgeist at 2009-09-07 02:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Was it when Republicans did it, or only when someone with a (D) after their name?

#285 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-09-07 02:39 PM |

It's unconstitutional regardless. be it republican, democrat, martian or neptuian.
The constitution is not a partisan document. Simple as that.

Well, Bush did it, Clinton did it etc. doesn't cut it.

This crap has been going on for decades and spoon feeding slugs to think that such a thing as something for nothing exists is what's gotten us where we are. It's way way past time for it to STOP.

#290 | Posted by Washboard at 2009-09-07 02:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

"It's unconstitutional regardless."

Where, specifically?

#291 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-09-07 02:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Where, specifically?

#292 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-09-07 02:57 PM

townhall.com

Do a little reading.

Why did Robert Byrd (D.) write Obummer?

#292 | Posted by Washboard at 2009-09-07 03:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Do a little reading. "

Because somebody said it? You've got to be joking.

Do a little posting, of the salient part of the Constitution.

#293 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-09-07 03:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

Let me place myself in the President's chair, at the head of a party in this country, aiming to extend the influence of the governing powers at the expence of the governed; to increase the authority and prerogative of the Executive, and to reduce by degrees to a mere name, the influences of the people. How should I set about it? What system should I pursue?

.. As the rights reserved by the State Governments and the bounds and limits set by the Constitution of the Union, are the declared barriers against the encroachments of entrusted power, my first business would be to undermine that Constitution, and render it useless, by claiming authority which, though not given by the express words of it, might be edged in under the cover of general expressions or implied powers by stretching the meaning of the words used to their utmost latitude, by taking advantage of every ambiguity and by quibbling upon distinctions to explain away the plain and obvious meaning. It would be my business to extend the powers of the Federal Courts and of Federal Officers to encroach upon the State jurisdictions to throw obloquy on the State Governments as clogs upon the wheel of the General Government for that purpose to promote a spirit of party among them, and subject to accusations of disaffection those who were opposed to the measures I would pursue. In addition to this I would now and then exercise trifling acts of authority not granted by the Constitution, under some undefined notion of prerogative. If by such means one encroachment should be made good, it would be a precedent for another, until the public by degrees would become accustomed and callous to them.

#294 | Posted by Washboard at 2009-09-07 03:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do a little posting, of the salient part of the Constitution.

#294 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-09-07 03:17 PM

Why should I bother? You, just like many on here would only do the above.

Besides, I've got a life to live.

Til next time.

#295 | Posted by Washboard at 2009-09-07 03:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Why should I bother?"

Translation: I got nuttin'

#296 | Posted by Danforth at 2009-09-07 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

#289 | Posted by mysterytoy:

www.glennbeck.com

my money is on #23.

#297 | Posted by nanc at 2009-09-07 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Anyone notice how Obama did what right-wingers wanted -- got Jones to resign -- and didn't gain even an ounce of support from them?"

This is why you are a hack. Perhaps you should be questioning why the person you elected as president chose an adviser who is a communist and thinks 9/11 was an inside job - but instead, you vilify the people who brought these facts to light, and think that they should shut up as soon as the freak has been fired.

In order to prevent other Van Jones' from being appointed, we need to start wondering why he was appointed in the first place. Any objective person who does not agree with Van Jones' politics should be thinking about choosing another candidate in 2012. You, however, are not one of those objective people.

#298 | Posted by JOE at 2009-09-07 03:43 PM | Reply | Flag:

Great post washboard.

#299 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-07 04:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

my money is on #23.

Agreed. He's a lunitic, Barry will through him overboard. Impossible to defend. I love these crazy Czars!

#300 | Posted by zulu at 2009-09-07 04:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The right to Free Speech has already been thrown away by The People at the Health Care Town Hall Meetings---they didn't need the government to take it away. Yelling so loud that no others can talk--disrupting the meetings----kills Free Speech."

What sanctimonious BS - the problem with this type of BS is that it is all on tape - we can see what happens - people yelled - people were shouted down yes - but to even begin to contend that the Congressmen and Women or that the pro-healthcare people did not get to express themselves is just a lie

#301 | Posted by RockiesElmo at 2009-09-07 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

all the caesars neet to be confirmed.

bread and circuses.

#302 | Posted by nanc at 2009-09-07 08:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

He slithers away over a long holiday weekend. Good timing so as to avoid it being a bigger story.

#6 | Posted by OohRah at 2009-09-06 07:11 AM | Reply | Flag

Almost like Colin Powel when the truth came out...

Wow!

#303 | Posted by lfthndthrds at 2009-09-07 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

Almost like Colin Powel when the truth came out...

Wow!

Posted by lfthndthrds at 2009-09-07 09:45 PM | Reply

A FRICKING MEN. You ain't said nothing but a word. T TOTALLY AGREE.

Larry

#304 | Posted by LarryMohr at 2009-09-07 09:48 PM | Reply | Flag:

but to even begin to contend that the Congressmen and Women or that the pro-healthcare people did not get to express themselves is just a lie

#302 | Posted by RockiesElmo at 2009-09-07 06:49 PM | Reply | Flag

Then show the post of them speaking. Facts are when they get to the podium, they are shouted down, The disrupters aren't there to be polite---they are there to ruin the meeting by not leting anyone else speak. Back your words--show pro health care people speaking where these disrupters show up. The same thing as flooding the phone banks of the dems on eledtion days. Party over country every time for the rep criminals.

#305 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-09-08 02:37 AM | Reply | Flag:

"No one outside of right wingers cares about 90% of the stuff that folks like WorldNetDaily, Glenn Beck and Michelle Malkin get worked up about."

Yeah, we know about the other fourteen losers who watch MSNBC and wear their Ed Show T-Shirts to bed.

#306 | Posted by The_Chapel at 2009-09-08 05:12 PM | Reply | Flag: