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A provision in the Human Rights Act that bans hate speech on the internet is unconstitutional, according to the Canadian Human Rights Commission.

In a decision released Wednesday, the commission's tribunal dismissed a complaint filed against Marc Lemire, a webmaster who runs freedomsite.org, a site that bills itself as "Canada's freedom resource center."

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Where does Free Speech end and Hate Speech begin?

Spud thinks it comes down to openly advocating violence against an individual or member of an identifiable group.

That's the line.

Derogatory comments and slurs while not particularily useful in terms of advancing the dialogue is not Hate Speech.

It's merely dumb speech.

Be Well.

Btw, that shoulda been "Unconstitutional" in headline.

Hopefully the blog-god fixes that at some point.

Be Well.

Spud thinks it comes down to openly advocating violence against an individual or member of an identifiable group.

If it is a credible threat, there are already laws to cover that. There is no need for "hate speech" laws. Those types of laws (hate crime), by definition, punish a thought not an action.

Hate Speech is one of the Precise reasons for the First Amendment and Freedom of Speech. Since Hate speech isn't normally Popular speech it needs proitecting. Sorry Spuderick.

Larry

Since Hate speech isn't normally Popular speech it needs protecting.

Wot if someone starts a website that continually calls for people to lynch black folks or Jews or gays or left handed Lutheran Bowlers or sommat?

Wot happens if other idiots actually act on those words and start terrorising and murdering folks?

Is that Free Speech, Larry?

...or is it Hate Speech?

The decision by the HRC here that Free Speech trumps the ill concieved and overly obtuse Hate Speech laws currently in place is one which Spud applauds.

That sed, there is real hate speech out there and the line has to be observed and respected.

There's a reason you can't yell Fire in a crowded Movie house, ya know.

Be Well.

/K, really gone now.

Hate Speech IS protected speech. Sorry about that one Spuderick.

Larry

If it is a credible threat, there are already laws to cover that. There is no need for "hate speech" laws. Those types of laws (hate crime), by definition, punish a thought not an action.

Well put.

Spud agrees that the laws on the books that cover Threats, Intimidation, Slander and Libel are sufficient to the purpose and that Hate Crime laws themselves cause waaaaay more problems than they solve.

You can't achieve equality with inequal treatment.

Is foolish to even try.

Be Well.

/KK, supa-dupa gone now.

Hate Speech IS protected speech. Sorry about that one Spuderick

Try posting a blog entry calling for the death of an elected official here on the DR and Rcade will set you straight on that point, pdq.

Be Well.

Try posting a blog entry calling for the death of an elected official here on the DR and Rcade will set you straight on that point, pdq.


Be Well.

Posted by dethspud at 2009-09-04 03:30 AM | Reply

Yeah because this is His "House" this isn't out in Public. I can tell You to go Fuck Yourself out in the Public World. in RCADEland I will receive a dump.

Larry

Hate Speech IS protected speech. Sorry about that one Spuderick.

#6 | Posted by LarryMohr

I agree it's one of the prices you have to pay to live in a free country


Try posting a blog entry calling for the death of an elected official here on the DR and Rcade will set you straight on that point, pdq.

#8 | Posted by dethspud

Threatening murder, mayhem or run-of-the-mill bodily harm is not quite the same thing as hate speech. As far as hate speech itself as the owner of the Drudge Retort rcade is free to have his own policy which fortunately isn't (as a rule) heavy-handed.

Wot if someone starts a website that continually calls for people to lynch black folks or Jews or gays or left handed Lutheran Bowlers or sommat?

Wot happens if other idiots actually act on those words and start terrorising and murdering folks?

Then you charge the person that called for the lynchings with Conspiracy to Commit Murder... which is already a crime.

Try posting a blog entry calling for the death of an elected official here on the DR and Rcade will set you straight on that point, pdq.

For an eight inch tall talking potato, you don't know shit.

I find myself in agreement with Spud more often these days.

Universe must be shifting or something.

Canada has a constitution? Who knew?

But then, how can one urge revolution without the implied violence? It was a bunch of people who had just started and fought a violent revolution who insisted freedom of speech be in the Constitution. I find it hard to believe they would have excepted calls to violence from protected speech.

Freedom of speech meeans freedom of speech.

You may not agree w/me, I may not agree w/you.

As long as the speaker does'nt advocate violence agains't the originator, then it is protected Free Speech.

You or I can not be arrested for what we think.

If we are, then we have evolved beyond the NOVEL Commie Bible "1984".

JROD-
Fun Fact: Did you know that Orwell fought for the communists against the fascists in the Spanish Civil War, and that in his original prologue to "1984" he was clear that it was totalitarianism that was the subject, and that its critique was not be limited in scope to a particular breed of totalitarianism?

Probably not...

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