Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

The Obama administration is rethinking its course recommendations for students ahead of President Obama's address to the the nation's schoolchildren next week, dropping a suggestion for how kids can "help the president" Some Republicans called the recommendation as an effort to indoctrinate.

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Do you want this creep holding your children hostage to his propagandist blathering???

Answer honestly.

BTW - FUNNY HOW HE CAN'T CONVINCE any intelligent adults that he has any merit - so now he seeks to attack children's minds.

LOL !

typical liberal technique - appeal to the least intelligent.

You guys really need to let the bonfire you've been dancing around out there at the edge of the north forty die down for a while, give the tom-toms a rest, put down the moonshine, and take a breather because you've gone completely apeshit bonkers.

I know, it's tough to get resoundingly rejected by the American people in an election. (Well, two recent elections.) And it's tough not having a white guy with a drawl in the White House. And all that "socialist" rhetoric from the fifties that the geezers hammered into your noggins has a nasty tendency to resurface when someone rings the bell and the saliva starts running.

But this has really gotten ridiculous.

Kids have been enouraged in school to write POTUS since at least the Eisenhower era (and earlier, for all I know).

It's gotten so if Obama wore a crucifix around his neck you misanthropes would whine it was hanging upside-down, signalling a pact with the devil.

(There's a related piece about the loon-acy of the Riiight on this topic at tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com)

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-09-03 09:04 AM | Reply | Flag: not-so-surprising Bush/McCain deflection in the face of this embarrasment for Dear Leader

CAN'T CONVINCE any intelligent adults #1 | Posted by 8roper | Flag: Wouldn't Know "Intelligent" If It Bit Him On The Ass

#3 | Posted by 8roper | Flag: Uninformed About Topic, Has Nothing Worthwhile To Say

Kids have been enouraged in school to write POTUS since at least the Eisenhower era (and earlier, for all I know).

....poor at best, Doc.

Did Eisenhower address the kids? Or was it the kids addressing Eisenhower?

Did Eisenhower, or anybody else, send out suggestions to the schools telling teachers how to get children to "get behind Ike - let's support Ike! "

hmmm.... I don't personally remember Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, or W. doing that.

I just missed being in school during Johnson.
Tell me, Doc - how often did LBJ send out cheeleader instructions to teachers??????

Didn't somebody in Germany pull this shit back in the 40's?

#3 | Posted by 8roper | Flag: Uninformed About Topic, Has Nothing Worthwhile To Say


whose topic, starvis ?

YOUR topic?

your stupid link?

who cares about your link, silly!

this thread is about Obama getting snagged for attempting to harass and bully teachers into supporting him in the classroom.

That is the topic of this thread.

there is not much in depth info that needs to be discovered, here, stavis.

WTF are you talking about -

not informed on the topic?

go post your own thread with your stupid link and over in that thread you can challenge me about being informed ON YOUR TOPIC.

silly boy.

it's "keep your kids home from school" day.

You check into it -- a nice little project for you to spend the time you're sitting around not doing whatever it is you get paid to do -- and come back with a report. In the meantime, you've still go nothing going here.

So, light up the bonfire, swig some 'shine, feel the reverberations of the tom-toms surging through your veins, let out a yowl, and join the other gaily-painted pirouetters of the Party Of We Got Nothin' But Nothin' in the dance.

"this thread is about Obama getting snagged for attempting to harass and bully teachers into supporting him in the classroom.

That is the topic of this thread."

Okay, then prove that he's attempting to harrass and bully teachers, you pathetic loon.

And when you're done with that, start working on your times-tables. You've got a lot of catching up to do, slick.

Of course Starvis is there to defend Obama, regardless of the stupidity of his argument.

They WH backed off for a reason. Simply acknowledge it and move on, bitch. There is absolutely no reason to come to their defense every time they do something stupid.
Roll over, kiss SullHIVan, and go back to sleep.

Oops, the indoctrination charge from the chimptard crowd earns another pants-on-fire designation from PolitiFact.


politifact.com

there are a lot of intelligent rightwingers..

why are they falling for the lies of the trash hardcore righties?

and vice versa.
just in case goat comes here and tries to twist my words into saying i don't include the frakkin left.

This is the same thing Hitler did. Obama Youth. The public schools would never allow any President with the last name of Bush nor would any Republican President have the balls to pull off a political stunt like this.

Obama and Wm. Ayers worked to radicalize public schools in Chicago. Now they are taking their dog and pony show to the national stage. They are creating an entire generation of activists and agitators.

The ObamaMachine has the MSM in their back pocket so they are moving full speed with their Socialist/Marxist agenda and then attacking anyone who mentions what they are trying to do. Wake the hell up people!

HITLER!!!!
RUNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!


so stupid.

typical liberal technique - appeal to the least intelligent

Have you seen the neanderfucks showing up at these birfer, teabagger, anti-healthcare events?

Have you heard the nonsensical whargaarbl they spew out in lieu of actual argument?

This knee jerk reponse of "zOMFG Commie socialism!!!" has beena standard response from rtards since Kennedy tried enacting civil rights legislation.

Face it, the LCD of the right is a really low number.

Want proof?

You morons still think Sarah Palin isn't a total ignoranus.

Faux arguments like the one in this article simply continue to make rtard protesters look like the hysterical and ignorant rabble they are.

K?

Be Well.

"This is the same thing Hitler did."

Oh, yeah, right, exactly what Hitler did.

I think the gathering spot you loonatics congregate at over out at the edge of the north forty of American political life -- you know the place, you just scamper into the Abyss of Ignorance, crawl out near the Lagoon of Lame-Nitude, slurp from the Well of Stoopidity and you're there -- that spot where the bonfire to which you loons flock to work one another up should be renamed "The Animal Fair."

I went to the Animal Fair
The birds and the beasts were there
The big baboon by the light of the moon
Was combing his auburn hair

The monkey he got drunk
And sat on the elephant's trunk
The elephant sneezed and fell on his knees
And that was the end of the monk
The monk, the monk, the monk,

Ma and Pa went to the Circus.
An Elephant kicked Pa in the chin.
Ma and Pa got even with the Circus.
They bought 2 tickets but wouldn't go in.

#17 | Posted by dethspud


file post #17 under :
"Missed the Point, Entirely"

APPEAL to the least intelligent - refers to liberal POLITICAL leaders appealing to the least intelligent for support of their agenda and support to put /keep them in office.

What you did, d.pud, was speak solely about the constituency and point out that a certain portion of the rightwing constituency are crazy, that's true, as is a certain portion of the left wing constituency.
Close, but since you were responding directly to a quote by me I have to say you missed the point.

try again.

here it is stated a different way:

A hallmark, a staple if you will, of Democrat politicians is to appeal to the least intelligent segment of the population in order to have support.

A hallmark, a staple if you will, of Democrat politicians is to appeal to the least intelligent segment of the population in order to have support.

Yeah, got that the first time.

Thing is it's untrue.

Most liberal pols tend to use facts and reason in order to sway public opinion.

Obama is an excellent example of this truism.

Republicans "leaders", otoh, like Scary Failin, use half truths, lies, propaganda and arguments heavy with paranoid fear-mongering and light on any connection to reality in order to sway their constituents.

Hence the incoherent tub thumping that takes place whenever a righty tries to engage in public debate.

Not all repubs, of course, but it is a case of "more the rule than the exception".

Case in point the contributors on the DR.

The "serious debater versus mindless heckler" ratio is greater on the left than on the right.

In Spud's rarely humble and lefty leaning opinion.

Got it this time?

Be Well.

Okay, then prove that he's attempting to harrass and bully teachers, you pathetic loon.

#10 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


OH, al-RIGHT :

(From the guidlines sent out by Obama's henchmen to principals/teachers):


Encourage the children to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."

discuss what "the president wants us to do."

"Teachers can ask students "Why is it important to listen to the President and other elected officials - (because) what they say is important""

"Read books about President Barak Obama "


Those are not made up words, here they are directly from the Chicago Crinme Syndicate ( D.C. Chapter):

www.docstoc.com


And what does a bully do when you stand up to him?
As many many concerned Americans did?
They withdraw and back down.
No explanation -
he simply withdrew.
GUILTY!

just like the SNITCH Website that he got called on and quietly backed away from.

I wish I could have been in Obama's schoolyard as a kid , when Obama was a kid there. *
I would have taught him a lesson on how to REALLY get people to follow orders

he's not even a good bully - that's why I said "attempts" to harass and bully ......



* On second thought, I would not have wanted to attend school in Ethiopia.

He should stick to reading "My Pet Goat" to children. That never caused any problems.

and here is a little HISTORY for you obamamaniacs


newsbusters.org

I guess the fear written here as magically dissappeared.

Nobody's going to watch his stupid press conference anyhow.

THIS JUST IN

THREAD MAYBE ALREADY OUT OF DATE


www.washingtontimes.com

AND DONT EVEN try and tell me that IM not on the ball and on the cutting edge of journalism

WOW...sometimes I amaze myself

THIS JUST IN
THREAD MAYBE ALREADY OUT OF DATE
www.washingtontimes.com
Posted by afkabl2

Not that you'd want to read the actual documents, of course, but here they are:

www.ed.gov
www.ed.gov
www.ed.gov

Man, oh man, that's some pretty scary stuff.

LOL at you loons.

they are dropped ..

point is moot

"they are dropped .."


They were up at 12.34.

And they're up now.

We have a population of which many members can't read, write, or add/subtract/divide/multiply because so much time is spent on bullshit like this. Many adults can't name the two countries bordering the U.S. or tell you in which hemisphere Canada is located because so much time is spent in indoctrination. Many hours were spent in the schools in 2008 promoting the election of Obama. Get the fuckin' government and the NEA OUT OF OUR SCHOOLS and get back to teaching basics! This has gone on for way, way too long.

"You guys really need to let the bonfire you've been dancing around out there at the edge of the north forty die down for a while, give the tom-toms a rest, put down the moonshine, and take a breather because you've gone completely apeshit bonkers.
I know, it's tough to get resoundingly rejected by the American people in an election." ....Blah blah blah
"But this has really gotten ridiculous."....more blah blah blah
#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

And what did you say about this?:

"Flashback 1991: Gephardt Called Bush's Speech to Students 'Paid Political Advertising'"

"The Department of Education should not be producing paid political advertising for the president, it should be helping us to produce smarter students."

newsbusters.org

You just can't make this stuff up. GOP goes off the deeper end. I didn't think it was possible. ...hey....where's the revolution I kept hearing about during the tea parties? Did Obama secretly take your guns like you said he would? And where are the terrorists in the White House? I thought we'd all be socialist muslims by now?

"Flashback 1991: Gephardt Called Bush's Speech to Students 'Paid Political Advertising'"


As I said above, this has gone on way, way too long. Teach the three R's, geography, REAL history and such and leave the political indoctrination OUT!

"Did Obama secretly take your guns like you said he would?"

Well, not 'zackly, but I'm having a hell of a time locating boxes of .50-caliber ammo and my anti-aircraft gun needs a lube job.

Wait! Did you hear that? Are they coming?

~The Wild, Wacky, and Wobbly Riiiiight

"And where are the terrorists in the White House?"

Check the list of "czars," starting with the "Green Jobs Czar," Vann Jones


"I thought we'd all be socialist muslims by now?"

It's gonna take a few years but we're on the path.

"White House aides said the language was an honest misunderstanding in what was supposed to be a inspirational, pro-education message to America's youths."

ummm, bullshit.


Doc - laugh it up funnyboy. I'm glad you see the humor in having a socialist POTUS and a careful mix of Marxist-Racists advising him.


Doc - laugh it up
#37 | Posted by Beachbuzz


I have.
I am.
I will.
But, gee, Buzzzzd, thanks for your permission.
LOL!

"Well, not 'zackly, but I'm having a hell of a time locating boxes of .50-caliber ammo and my anti-aircraft gun needs a lube job."

You need to com see me, boy. I ben stockpilin' for yars and can give ya' sum. Lookin' back, I unnerstan yer pretty gud with them Molotuv coktales tho. Thet rite? Us'ns don have no trubble with soshlists 'round here. They no we's reddy fer em.

The wording "help the president" was a bad err, and this mistake opens the door for criticism from the right. I don't have a problem with the President visiting schools to inspire kids to read and study hard, as the speech outlines show that's all he is going to be doing.

I had no idea what the hell a Democrat or Republican was when I was little, I just knew that the President was the fookin President, and would've been amazed to be able to see the actual guy and hear him speak.

The Dem politicians were full of shit, criticizing Bush 18 years ago.

LOL!

Actually, Jest, I was thinking more along the lines of a mixed battery of 9-inch Dahlgren naval guns and a 50-pounder.

#36 Jester

On the path to being socialist Muslims? How could you have overlooked the influx of Roman Catholic immigrants?

Surely, though doth jest?

"Flashback 1991: Gephardt Called Bush's Speech to Students 'Paid Political Advertising'"

#32 | Posted by KBM at 2009-09-03 12:47 PM

But but but… that was different!

--Doc_Sarvis

I'm sure that little 0's administration had nothing to do with the stuff the US Dep.of Ed. put out to the teachers. Naaaaaa.

Uninformed About Topic, Has Nothing Worthwhile To Say

#4 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

That fits you to a T doc. Your normal mode is to insult anybody that doesn't agree with you.

Most liberal pols tend to use facts and reason in order to sway public opinion.


Obama is an excellent example of this truism.

He has lied through his teeth. Repeatedly.

He has offered staunch support for an ambiguous bill that he couldn't be bothered to read.

He has appointed several (not 1, but several) radicals to unaccountable posts who have considerable control of monies emenating from the public trust - taxpayer monies.

The Change/unity/hope candidate has taken the demonization of his opponents to almost scary levels.

His popularity numbers have dropped at an almost unprecedented rate of decline.


But, in your own humble way, feel free to believe that liberals, on a vastly superior level, employ logic and reason whilst conservatives employ hatred and emotion.

It's a nice talking point.

It's a nice defense mechanism - more specifically, it's a nice rationalization.

"Wotever" you need to do to dumb-down the arguments of those with whom you disagree to a point where your sense of superior intellect and knowledge can be assuaged.

Once again, the Republican media machine does an incredible job at creating outrage out of something insignificant. Asking schoolchildren to "help the president" is no different than John F. Kennedy's "ask not what the country can do for you, but what you can do for the country." It's hardly an effort to turn children into an army of Obamabots.

What exactly does "help the president" mean? What does he want these young minds to "help" him with?

Passing Healthcare?
Saving the Environment?
Redistribution of Wealth?

Do we really want to bring politics into our classrooms Rcade? Is that what YOU want? If so, then you won't mind in 2012 when President Palin asks school children to "help" her abolish the killing of babies?

Beachbuzz go to the nooner I posted a vid of a fight where a guy gets murdered in a dojo.

no different than John F. Kennedy's "ask not what the country can do for you, but what you can do for the country."

Sorry, but there's no way JFK's rhetorical question to adults during his inaugural speech is comprable to teachers creating lesson plans for ten year olds on what they can do to help the President achieve his objectives.


Yeah, yeah, Let's think about this...What if Bush had encouraged something like....

Dear Ms. Pelosi,

Please make sure that President Bush has the money and ability to continue to keep us safe. I don't want my head cut off by some blood thirsty Muslim Terrorist. I like my freedoms and don't want to be forced to worship Allah. I also would like for you to consider to support the CIA's efforts to engage in enhanced interrogations so we don't end up nuclear dust.

Sincerely

A_Student


OR...a more modern letter...

Dear Ms. Pelosi,

I like going to my doctor. I don't want you to destroy our health care system by nationalizing it. I also need you to understand that we are not financially able to pay for such a burden. My dad barely has the money to support our house and send me to college. I think that if you taxed him anymore, I don't think he could continue to sustain our lifestyle. Please don't raise his taxes anymore, I don't want to be homeless.

Sincerely,

A_Student


I figure I do my part when my daughter (less than one year old) is playing with her toys. Occasionally, I will come into the room with an "evil stuffed animal". I tell her that he was sent by the Obama to take her toys to give them to other children and he will take what he finds...it has been an effective way to keep the toys put up, in addition to teaching her about politics.


You just can't make this stuff up. GOP goes off the deeper end. I didn't think it was possible. ...hey....where's the revolution I kept hearing about during the tea parties? Did Obama secretly take your guns like you said he would? And where are the terrorists in the White House? I thought we'd all be socialist muslims by now?

#33 | Posted by Sycophant at 2009

oh please....I might remind you that he has been in just a little over 200 days and those poll drops are record breaking.
if given time, all of those predictions are possible.

just look at the list of DANGEROUS members of his administration

HOLDREN
LLOYD
JONES
EMANUEL

and all of the other czars

Afka -

Does Obama call them "Czars" in a lame effort to pretend he is the opposite of a Communist?


HMMMMMM ......

these are the things I wonder about.

Also

excuse me... your post #26 .....

thread is not out of date -

thread is ABOUT Obmaa's people withdrawing the guidelines.

its about him backing down b/c he knows he "got caught"

.....thus the original headline, which Rogers changed.

Like a puss.

;-)

The real problem with this discussion for me is the thought that the federal government should have anything whatsoever to do with the education of children.

It was a problem with Bush and Clinton too. Education is a state issue, pure and simple. To continue with the Presidents (Obama ain't the only one), talking about education, and making education better, etc., plants the seed that it is a federal responsibility. It shouldn't be, and the Constitution agrees with me.

State and local leaders should be talking about this stuff and giving this type of webcast, under state and local scrutiny. At the rate we're going, the feds are gonna convince all our kids to look to federal government on ass-wiping lessons.

my anti-aircraft gun needs a lube job.

#35 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

I'm sure if you would just climb on it and start humping, all will work out for you.

Do we really want to bring politics into our classrooms Rcade?

Do we want schools to show a speech by the president prepared specifically for the nation's schoolchildren? Yes. There's nothing wrong with that, as long as the material is not partisan. President Bush made appearances in schools too. It's good to make children more involved and knowledgeable about their government.

Does Obama call them "Czars" in a lame effort to pretend he is the opposite of a Communist?
#53 | Posted by 8roper

Yeah, like FDR and Truman and Ike and JFK and LBJ and Nixon and Ford and Carter and Reagan and Bush and Clinton and Bush before him. It's definitely "a lame effort to pretend he's the opposite of a Communist."

Of course, Bush II was the least Communistically inclined of all the presidents in the past 76 years because he filled 2 more czar jobs with 11 more czars than Obama's done.

It's good to make children more involved and knowledgeable about their government.

#56 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2009-09-03 02:17 PM | REPLY | FLAG

I agree with this. But, in my view, there shouldn't be nationally produced lesson plans and discussions about how the feds can help kids, and how kids can help the feds in education. To me, that is a partisan position - not a discussion on how the government operates.


RCADE,

Would you be equally comfortable with the Republican Congress (which will most likely come to power in 2011) permitting Rush Limbaugh to do a message to school children and then have the children write letters to themselves about "Why Rush is right?"

I'd be willing to give Obama a pass on this one if it wasn't for the fact that everytime you look under the covers with these guys, there's a hidden agenda.

Still, I think the comparisions to Hitler are way off base. Read the rather long article on the link below if you have any questions about what a nut-job Hitler really was. My real concern regarding Obama is not that he's Hitler, but that he's Chamberlain.

www.spiegel.de

Just as soon as that comedian becomes POTUS.
LOL!

- My real concern regarding Obama is not that he's Hitler, but that he's Chamberlain.

A lot of Tighties are happily surprised that he is following thru on Afghanistan. But not all I guess.

President Bush made appearances in schools too. It's good to make children more involved and knowledgeable about their government.

#56 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-03 02:17 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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AND HE GOT TORCHED FOR IT and still does

close your eyes and just imagine.

war in iraq is being planned and he enslaves the nations school children into listening to him

EVEN if he didnt say a word about it

IF obama comes EVEN CLOSE to begging his case on health care here...it will really come back at him..

A lot of Tighties are happily surprised that he is following thru on Afghanistan. But not all I guess.


#62 | Posted by Corky at

but we certainly arent surprised at the PASS He is getting from the media

worst month on casulaties and little is mentioned of it
anti war protests..WHERE HAVE THEY GONE TO on the nightly news...

and remember I support the war on terror.


"It's good to make children more involved and knowledgeable about their government."

I suppose. I am forced to remember the Obamabot that learned about government on the campaign trail. Remember these words:

"I ain't goin' have tuh pay mah mortgage no mo. I ain't goin' have tuh pay fo puttn gas in mah tank."

Do we really want the children to believe that is the function of government? I mean if we want them to be independent people do we want them to believe that? (I know that the Dems need them to believe government and entitlement is the only way or their votes will no longer be for sale.)

A lot of Tighties are happily surprised that he is following thru on Afghanistan. -posted by corkhole


yeah he's doing a splendid job:

"WASHINGTON A new report by the top commander in Afghanistan detailing the deteriorating situation there confronts President Obama" ......

"The report comes after a sharp escalation of violence in Afghanistan, where more American troops died in August than in any month since the beginning of the war."

www.nytimes.com

I roughed up my kids principal today in the parking lot of their school- while bringing my kids to the first day of school this a.m.

He said he was considering airing the Obama speech in the auditorium.

Some of the kids and mothers got upset as I beat the principal unmercifully.

But now the guy's mind is right.


OH WAIT I DONT WORK FOR ACORN or a LABOR UNION OR THE BLACK PANTHERS -

I simply asked the principal if he was considering it...
He said he would not be airing it.

A lot of Tighties are happily surprised that he is following thru on Afghanistan. But not all I guess.

#62 | Posted by Corky

Surprised and hope he continues, but how's that Iran thing working out. That's where the Chamberlain analogy scares me.

-how's that Iran thing working out


So far, so good.

www.smartbrief.com

Corky - You're link is bringing up a blank page. Maybe there's a deeper meaning here.

This (President address to American youth) is a malignant invasion of the already socialist infested education system. It plants cancerous seeds from a governmental tumor for which there has not been demonstrated a cure. It is a frightening thought that a majority of legally defined Americans might condone, or otherwise not condemn, this premeditated decomposition of the minds of our progeny. Aborting the person, not the Presidency, might be conservatively acceptable.


Once again, the Republican media machine does an incredible job at creating outrage out of something insignificant. Asking schoolchildren to "help the president" is no different than John F. Kennedy's "ask not what the country can do for you, but what you can do for the country." It's hardly an effort to turn children into an army of Obamabots.

#47 | Posted by rcade

The problem here isn't Obama speaking to schoolchildren. This is an activity that all presidents partake in.

The problem is a top-down "lesson plan" based upon watching and listening to Obama speak, including the crafting of a letter pledging support to the president. We are not talking about generic support to the country - we are talking specific support to the president.

This has eery undertones akin to Nazi-youth brainwashing.

Now, before you Obama supporters get your skivvies knotted, read my last sentence VERY carefully. I am not for a moment suggesting that Obama is a Nazi.

Regardless, a pattern has begun to emerge regarding Obama and it's a pattern that concerns me a bit. He seems to be testing the waters. He seems to be seeing just how far he can push and gently engage in fascist tactics. He pushes gently and when the public recoils he DOES back off, but after he planted the seeds. I would be VERY curious as to how many school districts end up following his proposed 'lesson plan' regarding the watching of his speech.

"Some Republicans called the recommendation as an effort to indoctrinate."

Of Course, this is the Same Crew that Had Children Pray to an Oversized Cardboard Cut-out of Bush!


Go Figure!

Would you be equally comfortable with the Republican Congress (which will most likely come to power in 2011) permitting Rush Limbaugh to do a message to school children and then have the children write letters to themselves about "Why Rush is right?"

I already said the speech should not be partisan. So, no. Children should not be exposed to Rush Limbaugh. The costs in counseling afterwards would be enormous.

Much ado about nothing. Pretty much the right's mantra these days.

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-09-03 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag:Self-contradicting stooge.

#72 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-09-03 03:19 PM | Reply | Flag:Self-contradicting stooge.

#76 | Posted by panchovilla at 2009-09-03 03:27 PM: Flag: Unable to counter

If any of you Obama supporters can point to an instance where the highest-ups in our public education system crafted and set down a lesson plan that included the students (accross the country) to write a letter detailing how they can help the president - well then....

The same cast of characters on this thread also ferociously defended the Obama administration encouraging the public to rat out neighbors who had the audacity to vocalize "fishy information" critical of Obama care.

Ahhhh, a little jump-start on the Hitler-Youth Program, eh?

Maybe they'll teach the kids the song...

Obama's gonna change 'em
Obama's gonna change 'em
Gonna chaaaaaaaaaaaannnge 'emmmmmmmm!

Sieg Heil!

Yes, JeffJ, the same people who criticized the last dumb Republican overreaction also criticized this one. Go figure. Some of us recognize a tempest in a teapot when we see one. Others are willing to believe the worst about Obama at all times, ignoring any rational explanation that might make them less prone to hysteria.

#76 | Posted by panchovilla at 2009-09-03 03:27 PM: Flag: Unable to counter

#77 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-09-03 03:29 PM | Reply | Flag:

Seriously Jeff, this is beneath your usual standard. You throw in a nazi reference, then step away from it, then push the issue further with weak comparisons. C'mon, get off the nazi train or get on it, just stop waffling or saying that you're not when you are then ask for people to not take you to task for it.

In terms of your statement, I'd say that a president that is engaging youth is a good thing when most younger citizens are totally disenfranchised (sp?) with politics. Furthermore, there is not much in his entire approach that could seriously be taken as brain washing. If you have examples of what you consider "engaging in fascist tactics" in relation with this school program, please list them. I personally think it's a good idea.

"a pattern has begun to emerge regarding Obama and it's a pattern that concerns me a bit. He seems to be testing the waters. He seems to be seeing just how far he can push and gently engage in fascist tactics."

You're a nut.

"""encouraging the public to rat out neighbors who had the audacity to vocalize "fishy information" critical of Obama care."""

where did this happen? word for word. Where did this happen, when did obama say what you claim he said?

Sooooo creepy. What is wrong with this man? What is wrong with people allowing this?

Can you see BUSH doing this and asking our kids how they can "help him"? Would you Obama supporters want BUSH asking for a pledge to help him with the war, to worship his god? This is FAR overstepping all boundaries in a free society. The president has no business creating lesson plans that program OUR kids to help him with HIS agenda, period. Not this president, not ANY president, EVER.

In no way should our children EVER under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES be taught obedience to a "leader"!!!

What makes a free society free is when our population is taught to question the "representatives". A free society does not have "Leaders", it has elected representatives in temporary positions of leadership LOANED to them by the people. The authority of these men is accountable to us, the people, not the other way around. What is wrong with people in this country allowing themselves to be conned this way.

My kids are grown . . however, if they were not they would be home that day. That, or every parent should attend school as an observer that whole day so they can deal with whatever is done and said.

To this government . .LEAVE OUR CHILDREN ALONE!

"""Can you see BUSH doing this and asking our kids how they can "help him"? """

Help him reduce national dropout rates??? Asking kids what they believe would encourage them to stay in school? What is wrong with that?

You guys might just as well "he has cooties, keep him away from the chiiiiiiiiilllllllldriiiiiiin"
.

My pet goat!

RCADE,

And what, pray tell, is ok about pushing this program ? Is it not, in fact, totalitarian in its very essence? You may call that tempest in a teapot....that would put you in the camp of others who watched such things happen in front of their eyes....they always acted really surprised when they found out how many people died from other "tempests in teapots"....those tempests had names, though....Stalin, Hitler, Mussulini, Pot, Husein, etc....

This may or may not be a small thing, but it absolutely is the SAME mindset....

Stalin, Hitler, Mussulini, Pot, Husein, etc....

This may or may not be a small thing, but it absolutely is the SAME mindset

You are cuckoo fer cocoa puffs.

Entirely untethered to reality.

Be Well.

The President intends to talk to students about
personal responsibility and the importance of staying in school. And the Devil's Advocate Party stands
opposed. The next time Obama says, "God Bless America", the GOP plan to present an opposition white paper.

tiger150 is stoopid:

let me repeat what the WH tried to direct teachers to do.

read the words, stoopid:

(From the guidlines sent out by Obama's henchmen to principals/teachers):


Encourage the children to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."


discuss what "the president wants us to do."


"Teachers can ask students "Why is it important to listen to the President and other elected officials - (because) what they say is important""


"Read books about President Barak Obama "

SO Tiger150, get your head out of your ass. You are not even remotely in the argument at hand.

Neither is RCADE. The issue at hand is he got caught redhanded trying to influence childrens opinion of HIM by handing down a lesson plan that builds him up as IMPORTANT, CORRECT, IN NEED OF THE CHILDREN'S HELP.

why are you people pretending this was supposed to be a general, truly objective, "rah rah education" speech?

because that is what the lib spin on it is?

fools.

He is dangerous and a lowlife scum.

Keep him away from my kids, it is child abuse.



Corky - You're link is bringing up a blank page. Maybe there's a deeper meaning here.

#70 | Posted by Redman


Odd, that.

Here's the original source.

www.washingtonpost.com


On topic, GW can read My Pet Goat to kids while NYC is exploding, but Obama can't address them?

Wingnuttery is a funny old cow.

#88 | Posted by jonryker at 2009-09-03 04:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

Do you even KNOW how this is proposed to the different school boards and what the content is???

Either
a) you don't and flew off the handle for no good reason (typical righty)

b) tried to and didn't really understand the words on your screen

c) read, understood, but still chose to try to create a paranoid conspiracy and freak out over it.

In any case, rhere are pills that treat that kind of shit.

#91 | Posted by 8roper at 2009-09-03 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

ok, i'll bite: link it or take your meds.

Encourage the children to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."


discuss what "the president wants us to do."


"Teachers can ask students "Why is it important to listen to the President and other elected officials - (because) what they say is important""


"Read books about President Barak Obama "


#91 | Posted by 8roper at 2009-09-03 05:00 PM | Reply | Flag: Flag: (Choose)
FunnyNewsworthyOffensiveAbusiv
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Jesus Christ dude what in the hell is wrong with THAT?? Aren't kids SUPPOSED to at least believe in their Government until they can decide for themselves?? Seems to Me that's only a good civics lesson. Gee Willickers.

Larry

Beefers has a message for this or any president that wants to talk to Beefers Jr....

Dude...... Stay the hell away from the children......


If I wanted you to expose my child to your ranting BS.... I would let the child watch CNN or NBC or ABC OR CBS or MSNBC......


You got a lot of Nerve and How much is that going to cost us you retard Bastard!

Hail to the Leader?

attack children's minds.


LOL !



Nothing funny about it....

But you sir are pretty much on the point about having nothing to say to adults.... They would just change the channel..... What's he gonna do sell the HC Package to the kids?

Hey why not......... Our childrens Grandchildren will be paying for it!


Beefers OUT!


Queefers is only few clowns short of a circus.

Or one twist short of a slinky.

Barry can't fool the adults anymore so he's trying to brainwash the kids. We may be in for an Amerikan cultural revolution like the Qin Dynasty. Even the pseudo intellectuals on DR better be prepared to follow all the rules.


Of course, Thom, sans any pretension of brains, has no worry that they might be washed.

NEWS FLASH

Van Jones is a 9/11 Truther!

This just adds to Obama's lacking credibility as POTUS.

If the righties on this site only knew how fucking nuts they sound, maybe they'd think twice before agreeing with this nutbag 8Roper? If I were as scared of the people in white coats coming to get me as he must be, then maybe I'd post crazy shit too.

September 8, 2009 is "National Keep Your Child Home From School Day".

Lying again 8roper i see.

www.ed.gov
www.ed.gov

Please show all of us where your quotes are. These links are from www.ed.gov who suggested the questions

Reading, it's FUNdamental.

You never cease to amaze me in you idiocy.



Dethspud,

Ahhh, when the facts aren't on your side, just call names.......I'm convinced....you'd have been good at a witch trial....

Sieg Heil!

We may be in for an Amerikan cultural revolution

Beefers says.... OK Children.... Get out your little red books!


Chairman Obama wants to read to ya......

While our Fuhrer is talking about personal responsibility and staying in school, perhaps he'll release the grades he must be so proud of that no one has access to from all his successfull college stops......

"...when the facts aren't on your side..."

Seriously, what 'facts' are you referring to?

"Keep him away from my kids..."

$10 to a rotten peanut says you don't have any kids.

probably lying again dave. 8 roper does that, he once told me he was a black man and when i questioned his name, fred o'connell as being the name of a black man, he got all uppity about it and i apologized.
a couple days later i see him respond to another poster by telling that poster to "kiss his white ass". when i called him out on his lie he replies back that i don't understand his posting style. lol.

Most young Americans could learn listening to an intelligent and articulate leader such as President Obama. Hopefully a good number of teachers will be able to see beyond the rightwing fearmongering and allow their students this opportunity.
I realize, of course, most rightwingers are scared of students being exposed anything more controversial than "My Pet Goat". Which is why most people just ignore them.

Looking at this thread my take is: Hey, I knew you riiightie tiiighties were nuts but, jeezus, not this nuts.

$10 to a rotten peanut says you don't have any kids


Well Dave.....

Beefers has two children......

What exactly does 10 dollard to a rotten peanut get you?

When you gonna mail Beefers his ten bucks you rotten Leftist Penut........

Teach the youth about roots and culture. Not about: how you can help the President. How can a school-child help the most powerful man in the world?

I sat and wasted an hour of school time forced into watching the 1st verdict of OJ Simpson.

Haven't the kids seen enough of Obama?
Is this setup to counter the joker-face -- that may have gotten kids' attention.
"Don't worry kids, he's not the Joker."

Is the Bama going to mention possible rate increases for soda or snack machines? Not that it matters.

The sad part is, I believe, most Gen-Xers are Obama supporters, and the ones with kids in schools will just turn the other way. Shit, if Ban Ki-moon wanted to address the kids about global-governance they would have no problem with that...

Your a left Nut Dave...

Is this setup to counter the joker-face -- that may have gotten kids' attention.
"Don't worry kids, he's not the Joker."



Maybe a good point there my friend.....

We should push to have a law passed that would require all Republican and Democrat Senators an Congressmen wear Clown Suites wit red rubber noses at all times in their respective chambers......

Somebody show me where it says that the President has the right to address my undeage child without my permission......

Is this setup to counter the joker-face -- that may have gotten kids' attention.
"Don't worry kids, he's not the Joker."



Maybe a good point there my friend.....

We should push to have a law passed that would require all Republican and Democrat Senators an Congressmen wear Clown Suites wit red rubber noses at all times in their respective chambers......

Somebody show me where it says that the President has the right to address my undeage child without my permission......

Is this setup to counter the joker-face -- that may have gotten kids' attention.
"Don't worry kids, he's not the Joker."



Maybe a good point there my friend.....

We should push to have a law passed that would require all Republican and Democrat Senators an Congressmen wear Clown Suites wit red rubber noses at all times in their respective chambers......

Somebody show me where it says that the President has the right to address my undeage child without my permission......

Funny if Obama was White nobody would say a single thing about this. What is so wrong about the President challenging Kids to get more involved with civics and how their Government works?? Oh and what is wrong to inspire children by making them a very important part of the political process?? I mean hell after all School children are His boss just as assuredly the ADULTS who pay His salary. They are Americans!!!!!!!!!!!

Larry

Lets see which retard corrects my spelling first.....

,b>Funny if Obama was White nobody would say a single thing about this

Well Larry nice to meet you but are you nutz?


I don't want the President talking to my children.....

If a stranger wants to talk to my children he should ask permission..... In the real world I cold probably get an order of protection to keep someone from coming near my children....

Seems we have no choice here..... The politicians in this country have ruined America.... Now I have to let one of these Idiots talk down to my children.... As though Obama is the all seeing all knowing one? I don't think so.... These people are Idiots.... Look at what they did to the economy... The banks..... The War...... Everything they touch has turned to SHIT Now Obama wants a crack at our kids? Screw him and the horse he rode in on! I wouldn't want Bush or Mccain talking to my children either...


It is Forced on them and they have no choice.... I will keep my children home on the 8th... Seems like the thing to do..


Am I nuts ummmmmmmmmmmmm I shall declare No Comment.

Considering the remarks on this thread by some who profess to be parents, I hope their children will suitably rebel against their parents' blind ignorance, bigotry and hatred. And a lot of them will.

"When you gonna mail Beefers his ten bucks you rotten Leftist Penut........"

So, tell us, beefbrain, what, exactly, is bad about the President of the United States of America addressing the nations children on the importance of getting a good education?

And what, exactly, is bad about the President of the United States of America encouraging the nations children to be involved in the political process?


#125 Understand that I'm not up in arms about this, or losing much sleep over it.

I've got no problem with the Commander In Chief talking about education and encouraging our youth.

What I do mind, however, is the feds nudging into state and local issues - like education. There should be no federal dept. of education, and I criticized Bush for "no child left behind" and any other crap where the feds step on state's rights on this.

So, I don't like the feds overshooting state and local boards on curriculum issues by sending out study guides and shit. There should be no talking about what role the students think the feds can do to help out schools, and what kids can do to help out the feds regarding education.

That, in and of itself, is teaching kids that the feds have a role in education -- which it shouldn't. If he wants to talk about the 3 branches of govt., and to work hard and be productive little soldiers - fine. My guess is, however, that there's more to it than that, and I don't want to find out this line was crossed after the fact.

We've got a big enough nanny-state with the feds, there's no need to raise a new generation looking for the government's tit.

"the government's tit"

Now THERE'S a hairy nipple!

CJK you are retarded.


probably lying again dave. 8 roper does that, he once told me he was a black man and when i questioned his name, fred o'connell as being the name of a black man, he got all uppity about it and i apologized.
a couple days later i see him respond to another poster by telling that poster to "kiss his white ass". when i called him out on his lie he replies back that i don't understand his posting style. lol.

#111 | Posted by cjk85 at 2009-09-03 06:43 PM | Reply | Flag:


I continue to get laughs every time you post that story- as you have done repeatedly for the past SIX MONTHS.

everybody knows Fredo/ 8roper is Mexican.
I make a big deal out of it quite often.


Now - to your point that i am lying about what the Obama admin tried to set as the idealogical agenda for this "speech" -

you are sorely under-educated on the issue


how many times must the "directive" be posted ?
click the link in post # 22
it is probably linked in the main article of this thread as well.

get out of denial , son:

Encourage the children to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."


discuss what "the president wants us to do."


"Teachers can ask students "Why is it important to listen to the President and other elected officials - (because) what they say is important""


"Read books about President Barak Obama "


Those are not made up words, they are directly from the Chicago Crime Syndicate ( D.C. Chapter)


It's a far cry from reading "my Pet Goat"

I do not remember any "helpful teachers' guide" or brain washing directive handed down from the W Admin regarding My Pet Goat.

what asswipe left bold open?

there.

fixed?

And what, exactly, is bad about the President of the United States of America encouraging the nations children to be involved in the political process?


He's a Stalinist hack with an interest in deconstructing the Republic and he should be removed from office.
He has a clear track record of being devious and deceitful. He has a proven track record of using various means to bend public opinion towards some twisted shrouded version of his actual anti- American agenda.

He should not be trusted around the Oval office, let alone in front of children.


Perhaps he is even a pedophile.

I am just saying I cannot be sure -as he is such a pitiful scam perpetrated on us.

he once told me he was a black man and when i questioned his name, fred o'connell as being the name of a black man, he got all uppity about it

#111 | Posted by cjk85 at 2009-09-03 06:43 PM | Reply | Flag: refers to negroes as "uppity"


HEY

that's funny.

you realize you used the word "uppity" ???


"Perhaps he is even a pedophile."
~8Roper

What a scum, to throw that word around so irresponsibly.

"I am just saying I cannot be sure -as he is such a pitiful scam perpetrated on us."

You are scum and I would never let you come anywhere near my grandchildren. I will go wash my hands after posting this. Your disgusting hate is common among your peers and is why your party is now and will be for a long time.....not acceptable to America. Funny thing is...you ignorant POS you don't even understand why most Americans despise people like you.

can you both prove he is not?

just sayin'.....


anyhow-


Danni would not want me near her grand children and she is fine vocalizing that.

great - i dont want to be near them

so I will vocalize that I don't want Obama near my children.

he is filth.

Danforth please give a lesson in how to use the word "pedophile" responsibly

WTF????

These same people would be overjoyed if Cheney was speaking to the kids. Bunch of evil bastards is what the right is made up of. Split the country up in 2 or wide scale genocide would be needed to make this country livable again.

Funny thing is...you ignorant POS you don't even understand why most Americans despise people like you.
-posted by Danni


You know Danni it is very empowering for you, I guess, that people hated Bush so much.

After all, it enabled the Dems to elect the most retardedly radical lefty in history ..... and because all of the planets were aligned in election 2008 for that leftist coup - a guy that is like YOU actually became president.

i say it is empowering because YOU now, for the next 3.5 years , can delude yourself into thinking YOU represent "most Americans", because a guy like you was able to pull off that election

when you really know that you are actually a very small minority that is way outside of the mainstream. And you know that "most Americans" are people you cannot even really relate to.

go wash your hands.

silly.

The WH is revising more language than my high school spanish teacher.


Como estan estos poll numbers ?

These same people would be overjoyed if Cheney was speaking to the kids.

Yeah I'm with you jackass much better a fine role model like yourself speak to the children about things like $30 prostitutes, absentee fathers, ungrateful adoptees...

I couldn't stand Bush or Cheney, but I don't remember ever accusing them of sick stuff like child molestation. Actually, they provided enough real things like invading Iraq, with the accompanying death, mutilation, expense and mayhem that really there was no need to make shit up.
Too bad the other side can't attack the president for the things he does instead of making filthy shit up just to try and drag him down to their level.

"I couldn't stand Bush or Cheney, but I don't remember ever accusing them of sick stuff like child molestation." ( See Buffalo Bob ) or yet go to Google and type in George H. W. Bush and Pedophile...please your side is so pious.







I couldn't stand Bush or Cheney, but I don't remember ever accusing them of sick stuff like child molestation.
#140 | Posted by danni

Oh isn't that funny -
You have acused me of it- twice now, the most recent being your post #134 tonight.

Aren't you a lying little hypocrite, Danni ??

saying you would never throw the word pedophile around yet you have called me a pedohphile- (without actually using the word)-twice.

and BTW I did not accuse Obama of being a pedophile.

I said I do not know if he is or isn't.

Can you tell me how you can be sure Obama is NOT a pedophile, but you are sure that I am?

Wow... Olbananas is so desperate hes asking little girls in boys for help.. I hope Chris Hanson was nearby.

Okay I was kidding there before you lefties grab those pitchforks.

On a serious not any one of those kids would of been a more intelligent pick than Van Jones for Green Jobs Czar.

Hussein the Terrorist is a piece of trash, he and his disgusting communist henchman should be tossed out on their race baiting asses.

You lefties need to wake up.

Indoctrination on a subtle basis. Just the beginning.

Obama employed Nazi tactics such as telling the people to rat on their neighbors with his Whitehouse.gov snitch link for those who dared speack against the mighty overlord Obama.

Now he is starting up the Nazi-style "Obama Youth" just like the "Hitler Youth."

Keep your grubby disgusting paws off America's kids you f@cking scumbag. Obama is the worst president in U.S. history already. What a f@cking turd!

Obama employed Nazi tactics such as telling the people to rat on their neighbors with his Whitehouse.gov snitch link for those who dared speack against the mighty overlord Obama.

You mean Obama encouraged people who recieved GOP disinformation e-mails to send them on to Obama's peeps in order to help fight the lies?

Rtards are pissed that the dirty trick they've used so often and so effectively on their brain-dead base is finally recieving some honest scrutiny?

Po' Babies!

Obama is a better POTUS than Dumbya, his old man and Zombie Reagan all put together.

Be Well.

Hussein the Terrorist is a piece of trash, he and his disgusting communist henchman should be tossed out on their race baiting asses.

You've turned yerself into a cartoon caricature of a human being with that shark jumping postage, Rex.

You lefties need to wake up.

You Rtards need to grow up and stop yer perpetual histrionics that achieve nothing useful or good.

Be Well.

You Rtards need to grow up and stop yer perpetual histrionics that achieve nothing useful or good.


Be Well.


Posted by dethspud at 2009-09-04 03:04 AM | Reply

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm Huh??

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm Huh??

~Larry Mohr

It pays to enrich yer werd power!

Main Entry: histrionics
Pronunciation: -niks
Function: noun plural but singular or plural in construction
Date: 1864
1 : theatrical performances
2 : deliberate display of emotion for effect

The rtards continue to use emotionalism rather than reason to sway hearts and minds.

The madness we've seen at these townhalls and teabagger parties is a reflection of the over the top rhetoric that spews forth daily from the mouthpieces of the GOP like bLimpo, Malkin, O'Rielly, Coulter, Hannity, Beck etc.

Spud calls shenanigans on those tactics.

Welcome Back, Larry.

Be Well.

/Outtie
stage left.

"Danforth please give a lesson in how to use the word "pedophile" responsibly"

After you have concrete proof. To use that charged word is hatefully irresponsible, and the purview of a POS scum.

The title for this lil Obama Studios Production?

Children of the Con

Be Well

We're coming

BUSH ADDRESSED STUDENTS AND REAGAN PRAISED HIS POLITICAL AGENDA TO STUDENTS

From PolitiFact.com --

[US Secretary of Education Arne] Duncan was wrong when he wrote that Obama's speech would be "the first time an American president has spoken directly to the nation's school children about persisting and succeeding in school."

President George H.W. Bush gave an address to schools nationwide in 1991, from a junior high school in Washington, D.C. News reports from the time said the White House hoped that the address would be shown at schools nationwide, and Bush began his remarks by saying he was talking to "millions" of students "in classrooms all across the country...."

[Needless to say, Democrats blasted Bush for this and Republicans defended him. Deja vu!]

We also found that Ronald Reagan took questions from high school students at the White House in 1986, and the question-and-answer session was broadcast nationally.

Reagan urged the students to stay in school and say no to drugs, but he also discussed overtly political matters, such as national defense funding, nuclear disarmament and -- in suprising policy detail -- taxes.
www.politifact.com

I want to paint a scenario for folks here...

It's the early 1980s. The White House announces that President Reagan will be addressing students across the nation about drugs and will take questions and answers about topics including economics, foreign relations, etc. The notice to the schools includes materials on drug abuse.

The head of the Democratic party in Florida makes an irate public statement. He says that "the president is clearly trying to indoctrinate the children of American into his fascist policies." He and others in the Democratic party compare Reagan to Hitler and go on the airwaves to promote a boycott of school that day.

What do you think would happen? What would the Democratic party do? What would be the reaction of the Republican party? The pundits?

I know the Republicans would be apoplectic. Most Dems would be completely embarrassed by the behavior of the Florida party head and he'd likely be removed from his post and considered a fringe nut job. Most of the Dems at the time, myself included, disliked Reagan intensely and felt he was a dangerous smooth talking puppet of corporatism. But like him or not, he was the president and part of being president is that we teach our kids to respect the office. He was elected, for better or worse, and, like him or not, he was our leader and they should listen to what he has to say. It's a good civics lesson, part of being a citizen, and accepting that sometimes you might not like the president, in America we don't put our fingers in our ears, stamp our feet and scream at the tops of our lungs because we lost the last election and won't accept the person who's in there.

Now in 2009 the current president is doing the same thing. The Florida GOP head states that he's trying to indoctrinate students into his "socialist agenda". Talk show hosts are promoting boycotts, comparing the President to Hitler and all the rest.

Are these people being discredited as fringe nuts by the mainstream in their party?

Nope.

It seems to me that the fringe nuts are now the mainstream in the Republican party. This is craziness and it's very sad.

Obama was elected the President of the United States. He is the president. I think he's a good one. Others disagree. But his talking to the students of the US is appropriate and timely and his announced message is a good one. Maybe these people are afraid that the kids will see that Obama doesn't have horns and hoofs and they are afraid that he won't live up to the caricature that they are trying to create.


Grow up people. And teach our children to act like adults and respect our system. If we teach them to scream and whine and cover their ears when leaders they disagree with speak...we are not teaching them to be good citizens. We are teaching them to not listen to opposing points of view. We are teaching them to be indoctrinated little robots who only know what's spoon fed to them at church and home. That's not very American.

Was there a creepy companion curriculum where kids get to think and write about what they can do to "help" the president? I doubt it.. Of course you can say that they took that part out.. and thats true

The real problem is that they tried to put it in in the first place.

Since when did Liberals stop being sceptical of the government? I thought thats what made you guys so smart.. pity

Be Well

We're coming

Grow up people. And teach our children to act like adults and respect our system. If we teach them to scream and whine and cover their ears when leaders they disagree with speak...we are not teaching them to be good citizens. We are teaching them to not listen to opposing points of view. We are teaching them to be indoctrinated little robots who only know what's spoon fed to them at church and home. That's not very American.


well said.

We're coming
#156 | Posted by cannabisneocon | Flag: Mr. Fizzlestick Says That To All The Girls

I wish I were amazed the partisan divide had gotten so bad, but I'm not. This is the President of the United States we are talking about. Was it indoctrination when Dubya was reading My Pet Goat to the students that day? Was it indoctrination when the Reagans talked to the kids? GROW THE FUCK UP PEOPLE!

In response to a sneeze by his Chief of Staff, President Obama responded with, "God Bless You".
The GOP immediately issued a press release expressing their outrage over the president's blatant attempt to influence God.

"Was there a creepy companion curriculum where kids get to think and write about what they can do to "help" the president? I doubt it.. "

OK...so the president talks about staying in school and getting an education.

In primary grades the teacher might well ask a student to answer "what does the president want me to do?" (answer : stay in school, study hard). "what can I do the help the president?" (answer : stay in school, study hard).

Good God. If this had been W talking to kids about keeping America safe, you would be perfectly fine with these questions.

Example "what does the president want me to do?" (answer : keep an eye out for suspicious packages and strangers in the school) "how can I help the president (keep America safe)?" (answer : tell a grownup if I see a suspicious package or a stranger in the school).

I'm amazed the number of people out there who are so worked up because they lost that they really need to start looking into medications. Calm down. Obama's not going to change your kids into muslim communist terrorists. Really, he's not. It's OK for the kids to see a young black guy say "my fellow Americans" and being called "Mr. President". It won't hurt them. It might even inspire some of them.

Geez you people are paranoid beyond all belief.

"We're coming"


That's OK, we are ready for you. Those nice men in the white coats have a really nice looking jacket for you to try on.

You thought it was a joke
And so you laughed
You laughed when I had said
That losing you would make me flip my lid
Right. . .

You know you laughed, I heard you laugh
You laughed, you laughed and laughed
And then you left
But now you know I'm utterly mad!
And. . .

They're coming to take me away, HA HA
They're coming to take me away, HO HO HEE HEE HA HA
To the happy home
With trees and flowers and chirping birds
And basket weavers who sit and smile
And twiddle their thumbs and toes
And they're coming to take me away, Ha-haaa!

#159 - Well said, Kanrei.

Oh, and don't worry. I'm pretty sure that the president knows how to spell "potato" unlike a certain vice president...who also talked to students in school.

I suppose that there is a certain inspiration in presenting a VP (who's President must have been saying to himself "oh, he reminds me so much of my boy") like DQ. Some kids must have said to themselves..."geez, that guy is dumber than a bag of hammers and yet he got to be VP of the US!!! Why, if an idiot like that can do that, what can I accomplish?"

Maybe that's why these people worshiped W so much.

It seems to me that the fringe nuts are now the mainstream in the Republican party. This is craziness and it's very sad.
#155 | POSTED BY DCINMA AT 2009-09-04 10:24 AM | REPLY | FLAG:
Wrong nard-face.

What's creepy is that buys like Van Jones - who think that Bush did 9/11, calls republicans assholes, and is a self-proclaimed communist is now an advisor to the President.

What's creepy is that BO went to a church whose leader hates America.

That is the craziness. The ultra-liberal wing is in control, and is out of control. Of course people don't want lesson plans from administrations like this.

Roll up Trillions in debt and call republicans crazy? Look in the mirror dude, you'll see crazy.

Help him reduce national dropout rates??? Asking kids what they believe would encourage them to stay in school? What is wrong with that?

#86 | Posted by panchovilla at 2009


nothing just as there was nothing wrong with bush 41 talking to kids about drug use but the dems called that a "political campaign stunt" amoung other things.

ALSO..schools have to be carfull here in texas.
money from state is tied into attendance and every day missed by each student is now $35.00.
people DO have power over the system.

Right, Somoco...obviously you haven't really looked deeper into any of these things because you are spouting just the talking points coming from the nuts like Matt Drudge, Limbaugh, etc. Each and every one of these points, looked at deeper, doesn't match the rhetoric of the right. But it makes good rabble rousing headlines.

The deficit would have been massive regardless of the president. The fiscal nightmare that this president inherited will take a long time and a lot of money to fix. Perhaps we should cut the military budget by half to start?

AND this visit is against the so called seperation of church and state..
I mean, He IS THE MESSIAH you know...LOL

"nothing just as there was nothing wrong with bush 41 talking to kids about drug use but the dems called that a "political campaign stunt" amoung other things."

41 talked about education, not drugs.

A big part of the criticism of that talk was because he was pushing for cuts in educational spending at the time, while giving lip service to education with his pep talk to the kids.

I remember hearing LBJ on the intercom when I was in elementary school. Nixon, Ford, Carter on TV. All of them. No permission slip was sent home either.

but none of them was a neomarxist who has dangerous people advising him like


lloyd
sustein
jones
jarrett
rhom emanual
zeke emanual
holdren


BUT your point is taken but parents also have a right to allow thier children to be exposed to it.
many schools here are taping it and going to allow parents to view it first. seems pretty reasonable

Perhaps we should cut the military budget by half to start?

#170 | POSTED BY DCINMA AT 2009-09-04 11:21 AM | REPLY | FLAG

Sound like they'll need to in order to fund the revitalized Americorp program - you know, the domestic force that is as well funded and prepared as the military BO spoke of.

"BUT your point is taken but parents also have a right to allow thier children to be exposed to it.
many schools here are taping it and going to allow parents to view it first. seems pretty reasonable"

No it doesn't. He's the President of the United States.

You get parents to sign forms to allow or exempt their kids from seeing movies with disturbing scenes, like Schindler's List. Whether to go to sex ed or not.

You don't get permission slips for the kids to watch a speech by the president.

Parents who make a stink and ask that their kids be removed from class because of a presidential address would in the past be called nut cases.

I think that still applies.

"Parents who make a stink and ask that their kids be removed from class because of a presidential address would in the past be called nut cases."

Au contrarie, my good fellow. Over where I park my ass we call them "The Base."
~Michael "Hip Hop Makeover Man" Steele

"Stupid Rtards..just because Obama said that he wants a civilian security force..doesnt mean that really he wants it.. he's just..ummm.. "

Stated as an attempt to claim that he's not spouting World Nut Daily, et al, talking points....as he reguritates a talking point from the world of the insane....

Here, this is the real deal on the "civilian security force"....


www.factcheck.org


I can't tell if it's the cannabis or the neocon that's affecting your judgement, friend, but while you may not actually be nuts, it's tough to tell when you keep saying crazy things....

It's like the guy who walked into the psychiatrist's office covered in nothing buy saran wrap....the psychiatrist took one look and said "don't say a word....I can clearly see your nuts."...

Careful, Dcinma...

"they're coming"

I read your link. I get it now. Just because Obama used the words "civilian", "security", and "force" he didnt mean that. Whew thats a relief

So this is what passes for the smartest man in the world? You have to explain to me ,the idiot, what he really means?

You guys sure have to spend a lot of time clarifying what our president means.

Be Well

We're coming

AND HERE at least this prick didnt go the race card..
but its just as bad,
when will msnbc finnaly go bankrupt?
OH It wont because of all the taxpayer money that GE will have thrown its way on green bullshit and cap and trade..


www.thefoxnation.com

Parents who make a stink and ask that their kids be removed from class because of a presidential address would in the past be called nut cases.


I think that still applies.

#175 | Posted by DCinMA at


then you are as bad as the lady in the houston chronicle yesterday..president of texas freedom network who called parents of having 'wild eyed paranoia"...a comment that is translated to
conservative parents are too fuckin stupid to know how to raise thier children so let the government do it.

#180 - You guys think Obama is "creepy," yet YOU keep saying "we're coming."

DC

and of course he is in the process of turing 9/11 over into a day of service.......political stunt to erase the memory of that day when islamic extremist murdered 3,000 people.
and HE CANT HAVE MUSLIMS looking in a bad light even if he has to abort the memory of that day.

180 - You guys think Obama is "creepy," yet YOU keep saying "we're coming."

#183 | Posted by cbob at 2009-09-04 12:20

it IS a little creepy isnt it

of course that may be the only way for more people to wake up to the neomarxist move from the white house...so keep up the creepy

"and of course he is in the process of turing 9/11 over into a day of service.......political stunt to erase the memory of that day when islamic extremist murdered 3,000 people.
and HE CANT HAVE MUSLIMS looking in a bad light even if he has to abort the memory of that day."

A lot of people on all sides of the political spectrum think that this is a good way to remember that day and to build positive outcomes from terrible events.

Presidential proclamations of this type are common.

Of course the game is all in the interpretation...what are the REAL motives? The president talked about civilian national security...it MUST be a new gestapo...it can't be that maybe he's talking about there's more to national security than military force...

It can't be that he agrees that a day of service is a good idea...he MUST be hiding a secret agenda to cover up atrocities of Muslim radicals. Hmmm...did anyone check to see what direction the desk in the oval office points?

I heard that someone in the white house heard the president flush the toilet this morning. He MUST be hiding something...sure he says he had to take a dump...but there MUST be something islamicfascistmarxistsocialist in his pants he is trying to sneak past us....


This kind of thing has been done in the past by Bush 1 as someone pointed out above.

What folks are getting into a blather about is the stupid "assignment" afterwards. (I guess).

The whole thing seems a bit creepy--even for Obama.


So the word now is that the Dept of Education is posting the Obama speech on it's website Monday for all to read.

We can all read it then and pass judgment.

We can all read it then and pass judgment.

#188 | POSTED BY MURPHY AT 2009-09-04 12:39 PM | REPLY | FLAG

That's reasonable. Wonder how much has been edited in the last couple of days.

Wonder how much has been edited in the last couple of days.

#189 | Posted by somoco

Stole my thunder!!!
I bet the "new" speech isn't even close to the original.

Wonder how much has been edited in the last couple of days


Per Chimpy's request, "Is the children learning?" was removed from the text.

"even if he has to abort the memory of that day"

We all know our president doesnt have a problem with abortions..or is it still above his paygrade?

Be Well

We're coming

"Wonder how much has been edited in the last couple of days."

Well, now that you good folks on the right are on to us, we edited a lot out. That parts about "don't listen to your parents, God really is dead" and the line that says "terrorists are really nice people" are gone now, we weren't sure that were really a good idea after all.

It doesn't matter anyway, we have technology that can hide secret messages in the video. Sometimes the screen flickers a little, but no one will notice the "communism is good" sign....consciously anyway. And backwards masking also works well...kind of a pain to write the speech but the president has some awesome powers that he can use to make it work. And after the speech is over, no one will notice that we now have control of the kids...only a very few of them will have glassy eyes and virtually none of them will repeat the "hail Obama" outside of groups of convertees.

And now that listening to the president will be "forbidden fruit" to some kids...it will be all that much easier to get them to secretly listen to his speech on their friends' IPODs...then we'll have control of them to.

The plan is working perfectly.

you forgot the part about forwarding fishy e-mail you find in your parents computer to parentsnitchingisfun.gov.

Kids have been enouraged in school to write POTUS since at least the Eisenhower era (and earlier, for all I know).

(There's a related piece about the loon-acy of the Riiight on this topic at tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com)

#2 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


Doc, Doc, Doc,

When the POTUS is doing the right thing, then I would encourage it, but this is just not the case right now.

What if Bush pulled this shit?

I can just see Doc's spinning right now. He knows it's true.

"What if Bush pulled this shit?"

Bush did address the nation's schoolers and -- as I've pointed and you obviously don't know (quelle sooprise) -- the Dems tried to flay him for it.

Eddie,
If Bush didn't "pull this shit," then to whom exactly was he was reading "My Pet Goat" to on one September 11th morning?


Ah yes, shame, shame on Obama for telling kids to stay in school..... what a Commie idea!!


Eddie,
If Bush didn't "pull this shit," then to whom exactly was he was reading "My Pet Goat" to on one September 11th morning?

#197 | Posted by kanrei

LOL!!!

Nice try.

You're not really paying attention are you.

Bush did address the nation's schoolers and -- as I've pointed and you obviously don't know (quelle sooprise) -- the Dems tried to flay him for it.

#196 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Link?

I....CAN'
T....HOLD....IT...IN.....

Ah yes, shame, shame on Obama for telling kids to stay in school..... what a Commie idea!!

Posted by Corky at 2009-09-04 01:21 PM

Of course not. Educating children will cut down on future GOP voters the same way telling kids not to get into a stranger's car has cut down on their current dating.

You're not really paying attention are you.

#199 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-04 01:23 PM

Not to you; not really.

I continue to get laughs every time you post that story- as you have done repeatedly for the past SIX MONTHS.


everybody knows Fredo/ 8roper is Mexican.
I make a big deal out of it quite often.


you're lying again 8doper.

this is the second time i've brought up your lying and it hasn't been 6 months.

you told me you were a black man. that's undeniable. then you state i don't understand your posting style.

man how do you expect people to take you seriously when you continually lie?

now please i posted links show me where you got the quotes from.

what a wonderful example you are for you children you also claim to have.

Ah yes, shame, shame on Obama for telling kids to stay in school..... what a Commie idea!!

#198 | Posted by Corky

Is that all you heard, Corky? Damn!

Jack Kennedy: Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

Obama: Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for Obama.


The subtleties are in the words? LOL


Bush did address the nation's schoolers and -- as I've pointed and you obviously don't know (quelle sooprise) -- the Dems tried to flay him for it.
#196 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Link?
#200 | Posted by Eddie

#154 above. That is, if you don't have to get back to class right away.


You're not really paying attention are you.


#199 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-09-04 01:23 PM


Not to you; not really.

#202 | Posted by kanrei

But you are paying attention to Kieth Obermann!! LOL!

The subtleties are in the words?
#204 | Posted by Eddie

Uh, that would very often be the case, Eddie. But for you, let's just stick with "subtitles," s-u-b-t-i-t-l-e-s.

But you are paying attention to Kieth Obermann!! LOL!


Never watched him once.

Gotta run some errands and put some bacon wherever the hell we keep the bacon, but I'll try and get back later to see how badly Eddie gets his ass whupped this time. ROTFLAMO.

Bush did address the nation's schoolers and -- as I've pointed and you obviously don't know (quelle sooprise) -- the Dems tried to flay him for it.
#196 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


Link?
#200 | Posted by Eddie


#154 above. That is, if you don't have to get back to class right away.

#205 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


LOL.

nice try.

Are you 1) Lying 2) being stupid on purpose or 3)just trying to insult my intelligence.

The desperation is amazing.

-just trying to insult my intelligence.

If Henny Youngman were Superman, he still wouldn't be that good.

#210 | Posted by Eddie

Look, you stupid little fuck, President Bush did, in fact, address the schoolgoers. Check the link. It's not my fault you can't communicate which of those two terrible presidents you had in mind. That I've got a historical memory and you have an ahistorical memory is not exactly my fault, Eddie. Now, off and away to those errands and that bacon since I already know when you got your ass handed to you: First, when you appeared on the DR today and just then. Jeezus, what a dumb bastard you are.

-The subtleties are in the words? LOL

The subtleties are in context.

Which context of "helping the Pres" was to help him keep kids in school.

Not to insult your intelligence, as if that were possible.

Oh, no, wait, there's this last bit:

just trying to insult my intelligence.
#210 | Posted by Eddie

This one's too good to use as an eviscerator; it's definitely a stand-alone masterpiece of moronic commentary offered up by a silver-plated moron. It never ceases to amaze me, the number of times this kind of shit just writes itself.


Look, you stupid little fuck, President Bush did, in fact, address the schoolgoers.
#212 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

He Did! He Did! He Did! He Did! He Did! He Did! He Did! He Did!


Don't get so mad. You know I meant the President from the last Administration.

You know I meant...yammalammadingdong
#215 | Posted by Eddie


Eddie, I can't read a mind that's not there.

Which context of "helping the Pres" was to help him keep kids in school.


Not to insult your intelligence, as if that were possible.


#213 | Posted by Corky

You're trying too hard Corky. Give it up.

Obama is in HUGE trouble over this and you refuse to see it.

Eddie, I can't read a mind that's not there.

#216 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


you're just a stupid stupid stupid stupid man!!!
-- Doc


LOL


Context is not a concept Eddie is familiar with.

Let's prove that.

Eddie, in what context was the now discarded for PC reasons quote "help the President" in if not the context of the subject of the talk, keeping kids in school?

I'll take a break while Eddie Googles "context".

offered up by a silver-plated moron.

#214 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Doc, this is why you're a loser. You attack me because you can't argue the facts.

Making fun of you is why I come here.

Context is not a concept Eddie is familiar with.


Let's prove that.


Eddie, in what context was the now discarded for PC reasons quote "help the President" in if not the context of the subject of the talk, keeping kids in school?


I'll take a break while Eddie Googles "context".


#219 | Posted by Corky


LOL!

nice try Corky.

On this blog we have a rule that if you call bullshit, it's your job to prove it.

Am I right that you are trying to prove that "Helping the Country" is the same as "Helping Obama?"

Are you really trying to prove this?


In this context, helping the Pres would be helping kids stay in school.

It was obvious you weren't aware of the rigors of context, but now it is obvious that reading comprehension is also a challenge for you.

Kind of like tying those darn sneakers is, eh?

While we are all thinking about how it's not about Obama, we should reflect on what exactly we can do to make it about Obama and what we can do to help Obama with whatever it is. Always remember though..it's definately not about Obama.

Be Well

We're coming

While I posted thinking I knew what I was talking about, I should reflect on what exactly I can do to make it less clear and what I can do to help make it even less clear, whatever it is. Always remember though...it's definately not clear what I am posting about.

Be Swell

We're Retarded

#223 | Posted by cannabisneocon at 2009-09-04 02:03 PM

Kanrei, I'm not sure what kind of reaction you expect from me when you call me retarded and such ,but, I wouldve thought that a hyper-smart person like yourself would figure out by now that you're not going to get it

Be Well

We're coming

I am parodying you. All you got out of that was the retarded thing? You missed the incoherence part of your post?

I try, REALLY REALLY hard to not make comparisons to Hitler. For the most part, they are counter productive... but, come on... trying to indoctrinate the kids? That's just wrong.

Next we will encourage them to "report" on their parents... then report on where they spot a conservative... etc etc etc.

Either incredibly stupid or incredibly scary.

trying to indoctrinate the kids? That's just wrong.

What is the Pledge of Allegiance if not indoctrination? How about going to Church or Temple? What about taking government classes in school? What about even going to school? What about learning the language? My G-d, what are we doing?!

A parody of my parody.. well played!

You too.

Hate to break up the party, but, I'm gonna get really high while pretending to work from home and look at classic Les Paul guitars on Ebay

Seriously though.. have a good weekend

If you're ignorant enough to call the POTUS a possible pedophile merely out of hate for being a liberal, or black, or whatever, you are WAY beyond help.


Either incredibly stupid or incredibly scary.

#227 | Posted by 1libertarian

You seem like a logical guy compared to some others on this thread, so I'm asking a logical question. Do you honestly believe president Obama would try and indoctrinate children en-masse via television, and if so, in such a way that the adults wouldn't know that something inappropriate was said? Do you think any leader would be so stupid as to even try something so dastardly?

If such a thing were possible, that children would suddenly turn into mindless Obama zombies and their parents were powerless to stop them, then I'm sure previous presidents would have pulled it off.


What is the Pledge of Allegiance if not indoctrination? How about going to Church or Temple? What about taking government classes in school? What about even going to school? What about learning the language? My G-d, what are we doing?!

#228 | Posted by kanrei


I liken the Pledge to the Flag to Jack Kennedy's "Ask Not" request.

However, the Obama is blatantly attempting to get around the parents and into the minds of the kids to "help" him with his agenda.

There's a difference and if you think outside the box or just remove yourself from the Socialist movement, you'll see it.

However, the Obama is blatantly attempting to get around the parents and into the minds of the kids to "help" him with his agenda.


There's a difference and if you think outside the box or just remove yourself from the Socialist movement, you'll see it.

Eddie, it is you trapped in a box. You seem to forget that every other President has done this exact same thing. Somehow, because of your hate of Obama, you are letting paranoia block reason.

I can't believe today alone I have been called a "Socialist" and a "Right Winger." Is it even possible to be a Commie Rightie?

When Socialists try to push their agenda on me and then call me a racist when I disagree...


Eddie, it is you trapped in a box. You seem to forget that every other President has done this exact same thing. Somehow, because of your hate of Obama, you are letting paranoia block reason.
#235 | Posted by kanrei

What would you do if Bush did this? Can you just imagine Bush asking the kids to help him?

Bush was doing the wrong thing with the war. i don't think many parents would appreciate him coming into the school to ask the kids to "help" him.

Obama is also doing the wrong thing...

If most people in this country supported Obama, then there would be a different response. However, many districts are not going to show the video or follow the mandated "lesson plan"

What would you do if Bush did this?


Yeah, um, he did.

Somehow, because of your hate of Obama, you are letting paranoia block reason.

#235 | Posted by kanrei

I don't hate Obama. I like him. He's a good speaker and motivator.

I, for certain, do not like his policy.

It's very "reasonable" to object to him coming into my kid's school and telling her to help him. Do you really think she's going to resist this request when her teacher tells asks her questions on "What is she going to do to help Obama?"


What would you do if Bush did this?


Yeah, um, he did.

#238 | Posted by kanrei

do you have a link to this?

Do I have a link to Bush talking to school children? Are you serious?

"The goal of the speech and the lesson plans is to challenge students to work hard in school, to not drop out and to meet short-term goals like behaving in class, doing their homework and goals that parents and teachers alike can agree are noble,

Damn him, huh?


Do I have a link to Bush talking to school children? Are you serious?

#241 | Posted by kanrei

Yes

Bush addressing students without parents:

www.youtube.com

One observation that I have is that this country is in trouble, not economically, or by threat from the outside, but at it's core. Lately, we've had Presidents that a large part of the country is afraid of. Obama can't even go into a school and talk to the Kids as the President of the United States because most parents don't trust him. The same would have happened with Bush. This is pathetic.

So now you support his going to talk to students?

"because most parents don't trust him"


So, Eddie, you've got some data that supports that statement? Let's see it. Or are you just performing your customary one-trick-pony act of blowing smoke out your ass?


So now you support his going to talk to students?

#246 | Posted by kanrei

I am very curious about what he is going to say, at this point.

So, Eddie, you've got some data that supports that statement? Let's see it. Or are you just performing your customary one-trick-pony act of blowing smoke out your ass?

#247 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

uh... the article you linked to...

Did you read it?

Doc,
I took a Facebook poll yesterday and was shocked to see 68% did not want Obama to talk to the kids. And something like 29,000 had voted when I did.

So, Eddie, you've got some data that supports that statement? Let's see it. Or are you just performing your customary one-trick-pony act of blowing smoke out your ass?

#247 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Uh... Approval rating going down... Disapproval rating rising... Did these cross each other yet?

What dreamland are you living in?

You attack me because you can't argue the facts.
#220 | Posted by Eddie

What facts did you bring to the table today, Eddie?

I'm interested, actually, in how you're going to support your statement that "most parents don't trust" Obama.

My guess is you'll either declare victory and run away or -- more likely -- move the goalposts so that you think you don't look like a boob. Something along the lines of, "Oh, you know I meant most of the parents with whom I associate when I go visit my little friends at their homes."

So, c'mon, Eddie, pony up or stfu.

Here you go Eddie...

www.politifact.com

Hey Eddie,
You guessed it, STFU.

So, Eddie, you've got some data that supports that statement [that "most parents don't trust" Obama]? Let's see it. Or are you just performing your customary one-trick-pony act of blowing smoke out your ass?
#247 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Uh... Approval rating going down... Disapproval rating rising... Did these cross each other yet?
#251 | Posted by Eddie

Good God, Eddie, you're not really that stupid, are you?

(For openers, what are the numbers, what's the margin of error, what are the profiles of those polled, how many have kids, how many of those "don't trust" Obama, etc., etc., etc.? You sure took a bite of the big enchilada with that moronic contention, kiddo.)

Just as I thought, Lil' Eddie's One-Trick Pony Act: Blowing Smoke Out His Ass.

ROTFLMAO, Eddie, ROTFLMAO!

Polls are even more meaningless in this case. I was polled about this and voted "yes" and I have no children! Don't you think there are people voting "no" in the same situation?

mentioned a few times in response to "what if bush did this" is the reply "he did".

examples of him doing this are links to Bush reading a book to a class room...that really is the same thing as addressing them directly and pre-providing a lesson plan, along with assignments?

Many Presidents have visited classrooms...how many have provided lesson plans and assignments?

I'm not sure that Bush or any other President has done this before.

I'm not saying he's right or wrong for doing it, but honestly, some here think this has been done, in this fashion, before?

Good God, Eddie, you're not really that stupid, are you?

#255 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis


Boy, you are having a real hard time with Obama's fall aren't you? You are lashing out with childish insults just at the mention that he is not succeeding as a President.

I am very disappointed that he is failing as a President because we need true leader with the right solutions to guide the country.

I am happy that his policies are failing, though.

My hope is that he changes his tact and pulls towards the center again.

The scene: The kitchen at 411 Grant Avenue, Mayfield (three doors down from the residence of Ward, June, Wally, and Beaver Cleaver), home of George, Agnes and Edward W. Haskell

The time: Shortly after the end of the school day

Eddie arrives home from school, throwing the back door open wide, banging his lunchbox against the door, stands in the doorway and shrieks, "MA! MA! It's me! Eddie! I'm hooooooome!"

His mother, Agnes Haskell has no choice but leave her hiding place in the pantry and enter the kitchen.

"Why, Eddie, how's Mrs. Haskell's favorite son?"

"MAAAAAAAAA! I got my ass whupped and handed back to me. AGAIN!"

"Oh, Eddie," Mrs. Haskell sighs, rolling her eyes although trying hard to give the wee lad the impression she gives a shit. "So what else is new?"

#258 | Posted by Eddie

Translation, thanks to the BabelFish Gobbledygook-to-English program:

"No, I can't provide any facts to support my claim that most parents don't trust Obama, you'll just have to take my word for it, and stop picking on me just because I'm blowing smoke out my ass."

Running true to form, Eddie, true to form.

I'm not saying he's right or wrong for doing it, but honestly, some here think this has been done, in this fashion, before?

#257 | Posted by kwrx25


I think that most parents who are objecting are saying that they are leery of a lesson plan coming from the White House. I'm trying to decide if this move is gutsy, arrogant, or just a stupid move.

Obama is just trying to encourage our children to get an education so that 15 years from now we won't have as many dumb fucks as we obviously have presently.

You seem like a logical guy compared to some others on this thread,

Thank you. I do try.

so I'm asking a logical question. Do you honestly believe president Obama would try and indoctrinate children en-masse via television, and if so, in such a way that the adults wouldn't know that something inappropriate was said?

Lots of questions here... I'll take them in order. Yes, I believe he would attempt to indoctrinate children if he thinks he could get away with it. I will not say that the right wouldn't try the same, but they are not the ones making this attempt. It doesn't have to be in a way that the parents don't see it... look at commercials that run during cartoons... they are for kids products... why? Not like the parents are actually watching (in most cases)... but the companies know that if they hook the little kids that they will whine and complain and be a pain in the ass until the parents cave in (in a lot of cases) and buy them the overpriced box of cereal or the baby doll that pisses itself. If Obama can reach a large number of kids, and if his message pushes the kids to think "How can I help Obama's causes" instead of "How can I be a better person" or "How can I make the world a better place"... then the teachers can direct that energy. It is a matter of planting a seed, a slight misdirection of a life... Plenty of parents see his radial ideas (and those of the people he surrounds himself with) and do not want their child told to figure out a way to implement his policies.

Do you think any leader would be so stupid as to even try something so dastardly?

Ah, yes. All of them would. The first rule of being president is that you have to believe you are smarter and better than EVERYONE else... otherwise, you would be working to get someone else elected.

If such a thing were possible, that children would suddenly turn into mindless Obama zombies and their parents were powerless to stop them, then I'm sure previous presidents would have pulled it off.

#233 | Posted by ddenton

I don't say it is possible for EVERY child... but for a percentage, maybe. Add to that the liberal teachers, who would re-enforce the idea that the kids should be working to help Obama to implement his plans, and the smaller percentage of teachers who will FORCE kids to accept and parrot the liberal line if they want to pass... and you can move a generation. And I think that is his goal. To move the country as far to the left as he can, as quickly as he can... before the middle wake up and realize what is happening.

Obama can't even go into a school and talk to the Kids as the President of the United States because most parents don't trust him.
#245 | Posted by Eddie


C'mon, Eddie, let's have the goods.

I see that Doc can't read his own material.

To move the country as far to the left as he can, as quickly as he can... before the middle wake up and realize what is happening.

#263 | Posted by 1libertarian

This is the feeling I'm getting. The Far-left are behaving in such a way that they only have 2 years to pull this off. I am very curious to see what the 2010 election brings, much less the 2012... There is a really good chance that Congress and Senate will swing to the right, but I think Obama will win a second term. Hell Clinton did, but he was impotent.

I see that you can't substantiate your point, Eddie.

Or are you going to tell me we're talking about "most parents" in Oshkosh or Sheboygan or some such bullshit?

Keep moving those goalposts, Eddie. It's the only way you can convince yourself you're ahead. Of course, the rest of us sit here and laugh at you but that's okay: you get some exercise and we're amused.

Clinton "was impotent."



I beg to differ.
~Monica Lewinsky

If I had school aged kids, I would be honored for the POTUS to speak to them. Obviously, what we are doing is not working very well. By the way, does anyone remember what Bush was doing as 911 went down?

#267 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

If I said, in my opinion would that make you feel better? Why are you picking one little point out of my "Obama is failing" argument?

What fucking difference does it make if I say Most or Some?

The fact is that no other President has gotten this much push back... EVER! I asked you for a link and you couldn't provide one.

Everything he does lately, people are coming out of the woodwork to protest.

First it was the Stimulus (that woke people up), then the Socialist move on health care, Now our Children!!!

It's fun to poke and tease you Doc because you're intelligent, but you are backing the wrong agenda... but, now you're just getting annoying.

Eddie, where does the word "most" appear in the article I cited at #154?

So, let's try one more time, shall we?

Can you or can you not substantiate your claim that "Obama can't even go into a school and talk to the Kids as the President of the United States because most parents don't trust him" (#245 | Posted by Eddie) with facts?

From #270 | Posted by Eddie:

"If I said, in my opinion would that make you feel better?"

Uh-oh, Eddie's got his tail caught in a crack. (Again.)

"Why are you picking one little point out of my "Obama is failing" argument?

Hahahahahahahaha. "One little point," is it? It's a "little point" you've spent quite a bit of hot air bobbing and weaving around...I mean, it being such a "little point" and all. Face it, Eddie, the only "little point" here today, Eddie, is the one on top of you noggin.

"What fucking difference does it make if I say Most or Some?"

Just a sec, Eddie. I gotta make sure I don't fall out of my chair with that one. I would say, "C'mon, you aren't that stupid, are you?" but for one factor: It's become clear that you are, in fact, really that stupid.

"you're just getting annoying"

Too fuckin bad, Eddie.

I think it was Corky who pegged you not long ago. Your pattern is actually fairly predictable.

1. Eddie blows smoke out of his ass.
2. Eddie gets caught blowing smoke out his ass.
3. Eddie starts playing with definitions.
4. Eddie gets called.
5. Eddie moves goalposts and tries to change topic.
6. Eddie gets called.
7. Eddie, cornered like a rat, throws up his hands, attacks other posters for taking seriously what he said and...
8. The grand finale: Eddie pleads victimhood and picks up the few marbles he has left.

Here it is, Eddie. No, seriously, take it. It's you ass, after all.

Game...set...match.

Here it is, Eddie. No, seriously, take it. It's you ass, after all.


#272 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Dang, Doc. You are not taking this Obama failure thing very well.

Too sad for the Socialist (is this name-calling? LOL), back to our capitalist roots.

I heard that some have suggested that Obama bring John McCain along to "even" out the political stage.

I say to even it out, Obama should invite Sara Palin.

"I only count Rasmussen polls as genuine"

-The Right Wing

W would have traded his left nut for 55% approval


Lots of questions here... I'll take them in order. Yes, I believe he would attempt to indoctrinate children if he thinks he could get away with it. I will not say that the right wouldn't try the same, but they are not the ones making this attempt.

You're making some incredible leaps here. The president of this country is not, no matter how much power you grant him, able to indoctrinate children the way you think he can.

If Obama can reach a large number of kids, and if his message pushes the kids to think "How can I help Obama's causes" instead of "How can I be a better person" or "How can I make the world a better place"... then the teachers can direct that energy. It is a matter of planting a seed, a slight misdirection of a life... Plenty of parents see his radial ideas (and those of the people he surrounds himself with) and do not want their child told to figure out a way to implement his policies.

If you're really that scared that through one single speech, combined with an imagined nationwide conspiracy by all those evil liberal school teachers, that Obama will take over your child's mind and use them to implement his policies, then you have bigger problems, and you're granting too much power to your own children.

Do you think any leader would be so stupid as to even try something so dastardly?

Ah, yes. All of them would. The first rule of being president is that you have to believe you are smarter and better than EVERYONE else... otherwise, you would be working to get someone else elected.

The truth is, and I'm really not trying to sling an insult here, is that barack Obama IS smarter than MOST people in this country. Not smarter than all, but smarter than MOST. And I'm not sure what you're trying to say about getting someone elected. The elections are over. The majority of voters already elected President Obama, and he's got the next 3+ years to enact his policies, just as Bush had his chance.


If such a thing were possible, that children would suddenly turn into mindless Obama zombies and their parents were powerless to stop them, then I'm sure previous presidents would have pulled it off.

#233 | Posted by ddenton

I don't say it is possible for EVERY child... but for a percentage, maybe. Add to that the liberal teachers, who would re-enforce the idea that the kids should be working to help Obama to implement his plans, and the smaller percentage of teachers who will FORCE kids to accept and parrot the liberal line if they want to pass... and you can move a generation. And I think that is his goal. To move the country as far to the left as he can, as quickly as he can... before the middle wake up and realize what is happening.

#263 | Posted by 1libertarian

This fear of yours that Obama's going to take your kids away from you and use them for evil liberal deeds is both disturbing and funny. I see the same paranoia in your posts that I see in my mother-in-law. I don't know if it's a generational thing based on race, or the garbage that she's been spoon fed by Bill O'Reilly, but something has you seriously fooled into thinking your fellow liberal Americans, and your President, are out to get you and your children.


Dang, Doc. You are not taking this Obama failure thing very well.

Too sad for the Socialist (is this name-calling? LOL), back to our capitalist roots.

#274 | Posted by Eddie

I don't understand why you're continuing to pick this fight Eddie. It's only going to end badly for you.

I say to even it out, Obama should invite Sara Palin.

Do you really want her to be embarrassed that badly?

W would have traded his left nut for 55% approval

#276 | Posted by Timex


The funny thing is is that if they took a poll right now, Bush would get a higher approval than Obama. LOL. Oh, yeah... In my opinion.

Wrong dumbass

I don't understand why you're continuing to pick this fight Eddie. It's only going to end badly for you.

#278 | Posted by ddenton

Whatever, guy. It's already ended and Doc made a fool of himself. Are you another fool who thinks that Obama is doing alright?

Oh, and the Palin reference was to demonstrate that it's only fitting to have someone represented from the far-left and the far-right.

I don't understand why you're continuing to pick this fight Eddie. It's only going to end badly for you.

#278 | Posted by ddenton

Whatever, guy. It's already ended and Doc made a fool of himself. Are you another fool who thinks that Obama is doing alright?

Oh, and the Palin reference was to demonstrate that it's only fitting to have someone represented from the far-left and the far-right.


Whatever, guy. It's already ended and Doc made a fool of himself. Are you another fool who thinks that Obama is doing alright?

Oh, and the Palin reference was to demonstrate that it's only fitting to have someone represented from the far-left and the far-right.

#282 | Posted by Eddie

Saying you got owned would be a subjective statement, but this is a fact. You said this:


Can you or can you not substantiate your claim that "Obama can't even go into a school and talk to the Kids as the President of the United States because most parents don't trust him" (#245 | Posted by Eddie) with facts?

and you couldn't substantiate it and yet you persist. This looks bad for you.

Yes Obama is doing alright considering the hand he was dealt. It's not like 2000 when everything was honky-dory and Bush went and fucked it all up. Obama inherited two wars, a deficit, and a bad economy. Is it on his shoulders to fix it? Absolutely. But, having rabid assholes and crazies block his progress in fixing things simply to justify getting their party back in tower is pure obstructionism.

and you couldn't substantiate it and yet you persist. This looks bad for you.

Yes Obama is doing alright considering the hand he was dealt.
#283 | Posted by ddenton

And this looks bad for you.

He is not doing alright; in fact, he is going against the people who voted for him. Typical Politician.

You side with Doc, naturally, so that makes your credibility start to slip.

considering the hand he was dealt.
#283 | Posted by ddenton


Hand he was dealt? Are you kidding me?

Why didn't he cut spending?
Why didn't he bring our troops home?
Why did he Spend $10,000,000,000,000.00?
Why did he come up with a Partisan Socialist Health Plan when fixing the current problems would do?


All Obama did was to confirm that what Bush did was good and was going to add to it.

Absolutely. But, having rabid assholes and crazies block his progress in fixing things simply to justify getting their party back in tower is pure obstructionism.

#283 | Posted by ddenton

LOL. This is funny.

The "Stimulus Package" passed. It didn't stop him. LOL!!!

You and Doc are good together, but he's smarter than you.

Neither is RCADE. The issue at hand is he got caught redhanded trying to influence childrens opinion of HIM ...

Yeah, I'm sure President Obama writes lesson plans for the Department of Education. He then hands them off to Secretary of State Clinton to proofread, and she has Secretary of Defense Gates drive them to FedEx Kinko's to make copies. Vice President Biden is in charge of mailing them out.

It must be interesting to go around thinking that everything that happens in the federal government is the direct action of the president.

#287 | Posted by rcade

I'm just curious.

What would you have done if Bush would have done the same thing?

What would you have done if Bush would have done the same thing?

I had no problem when Bush made speeches to kids, as long as they were not partisan.


What would you have done if Bush would have done the same thing?


I had no problem when Bush made speeches to kids, as long as they were not partisan.

#289 | Posted by rcade

I am very curious to see how this turns out.

The insanity of some on the right is really amazing to watch.


The insanity of some on the right is really amazing to watch.

#291 | Posted by DCinMA


It's funny how people behave normally and the left sees it as insane.

Is this the change that Obama is promising?

Next you'll be saying that the Constitution was written by old rich white guys.

So, Obummer wants to address the nations kids on Tuesday. Well, his home state of Illinois said no thanks.

Get a clue America. This pos (obummer) thinks he's a god and that it is his right to program your children in his image.

You mean racist old rich white guys.

"It's funny how people behave normally and the left sees it as insane. "

The people who are all worked up about a presidential address to students are NOT acting normally.

This fear of yours that Obama's going to take your kids away from you and use them for evil liberal deeds is both disturbing and funny. I see the same paranoia in your posts that I see in my mother-in-law. I don't know if it's a generational thing based on race, or the garbage that she's been spoon fed by Bill O'Reilly, but something has you seriously fooled into thinking your fellow liberal Americans, and your President, are out to get you and your children.

#274 | Posted by ddenton

I don't think you understand my concern. I didn't say that ONLY Obama and the leftist would try this... in fact I said that I believe that ALL presidents would try the same thing, given a chance. The fact that the mainstream news is still liberal (although fox is quickly upsetting the apple cart) and that most teachers are also liberal (and not usually the best or the brightest citizens in the first place) gives him an edge in trying to indoctrinate the children.

My concern is that the government is accumulating power at an alarming rate. Every day, more and more of the decisions that effect your life are taken out of your hands and moved to DC. Do I think that Obama is out to personally get me? Nope, I am not paranoid. Do I think that his vision of this country is WILDLY different than anything imagined by our founding fathers? Hell yes. I don't know about your mother-in-law, but if she listens to FOX, that is a good start. Someone has to be a voice in the forest of liberals news like PMSNBC, The Communist News Network, ABNBCBS (they all have the same news... doesn't matter which bobble head you happen to listen too...)

And, perhaps, as a final thought... if you don't believe that children can be indoctrinated, brianwashed and used for political purposes... perhaps you need to study a little history? Can I suggest you start with books about Hitler Youth? If I remember correctly, one of the methods they used was to attack and destroy the boy scouts and then grab up the available children for their own purposes.

I we don't learn from the mistakes of the past we will surely be doomed to repeat them.

The right wing are just plain nuts. Asking kids to study hard and stay in school is just the kind of message kids need to hear from a President.

Yes, it is. Asking them to figure out how they can help the president implement his leftist policies... not so much.

Can you agree? If Bush had asked the kids to help him in prosecuting the war on terror... I am SURE you would have been so happy you were wetting yourself, right?

Well, since his talk is about education, staying in school, etc your point is really lost.

No.. the part that got people up in arms was the lesson plan that was to accompany it.

According to an activity sheet produced by the U.S. Department of Education, teachers were encouraged to talk with their students after the speech and ask them, "What do you think the President wants us to do" and "Are we able to do what President Obama is asking us?"

This is pushing politics into the school, and is something that many people do not agree with.

If he would stop at 'work hard' or 'get a good education' or even 'if you work hard, you too may one day be the president' I wouldn't have a problem.

Again, its the content, not the person. I wouldn't have supported Bush if he was asking the kids to help him implement his war on terror or whatever.

Great quote:

"If people don't want their kids exposed to the president telling them to work hard at their studies and stay in school they are just stupid. Frankly it makes me worry that they are too stupid to be raising kids"!"

My concern is that the government is accumulating power at an alarming rate. Every day, more and more of the decisions that effect your life are taken out of your hands and moved to DC.

Although I'm a liberal, I will concede that there is a strong argument to be made that the federal government is accumulating too much power in this country. Bush made a rapacious power grab in his term, and Obama has yet to roll back much if any of it.

Focusing on an innocuous speech to children -- the kind of harmless PR exercise presidents have done forever -- weakens that argument.

I'm surprised a libertarian would fall for the Republican hysteria hook, line and sinker. Does Ron Paul get his undies in a bunch over trivial matters like this? No.

According to an activity sheet produced by the U.S. Department of Education, teachers were encouraged to talk with their students after the speech and ask them, "What do you think the President wants us to do" and "Are we able to do what President Obama is asking us?"

This is pushing politics into the school, and is something that many people do not agree with.

It would be IF your paranoid suspicions were even half true. They aren't. Engage your brain a bit. What's the subject of the speech? What's the President asking the kids to do? Stay in school, work hard, etc.

Now ask those questions in context and see if you can figure out the answers. Let me help:

"What do you think the President wants us to do?"

Stay in school, work hard, get good grades, make the most of our opportunities?

"Are we able to do what President Obama is asking us?"

Good question. Are you personally willing to work hard, stay in school? What can you do to help you insure your success in school?

Oh how evil, how indoctrinating!

I have to agree, the right wing has lost their minds.

typical liberal technique - appeal to the least intelligent.
.......#1 | Posted by 8roper

.....is he going to be making an address to Republicans ?......

......he better bring his crayons and learn to speak monosylabically.........

Right wing faux outrage #87. Haven't they got anything better to spend their time on? Like some positive proposals to solve the country's healthcare crisis other than grabbing their ankles every time the healthcare industry approaches them.

Presidents have been using children as campaign props for ever. Like Bush with his snowflake children, propping up his decision to appease his Christian fundamentalist base and place America's stem cell R & D years behind the rest of the world. At least Obama was stressing the importance of staying in school.

Ahh, the good old days of the right wing regime. Come back Generalissimos George, Dick, Tom and Bill. We miss you.

Without reading all the posts, I'll agree that how can we help the president is a poor question.

But the (new?) questions quoted in the article--What does the president want us to do? What do you want to tell the president? (There are others, but the site isn't allowing me to cut and paste)--are pretty good. The first, for instance, is a good listening comprehension question (and can lead to critical thought/analysis); the second opens up an opportunity for students to be questioning, challenging, upset, or angry, if they're politically inclined or have been taught by their parents to question authority. Of course, if you believe that all teachers are groupthink liberals, you will immediately disagree with me. (We're not, btw. I self-identify mostly as liberal, but I embrace disagreement, if respectfully couched. This is true of the vast majority of teachers I know, and all the English and history teachers I know. Hell, it's true of pretty much all the teachers I had in high school--I don't remember in-depth political debate between students and teachers, but I do remember respectful disagreements among teachers and students.)

Students should discuss, the lesson plan writes, "What do you think the President wants us to do? Does the speech make you want to do anything? Are we able to do what President Obama is asking of us? What would you like to tell the President?"

Billy Thompson, 3rd grade - -
"Mr President, WTF do you mean I owe $34,500 as my share of our "national debt??????

I'm sure my dad would'a help me pay that off IF his factory hadn't closed & moved overseas

BTW, I will receive an inheritance from Aunt Millie - -
but she is hangin' in there - - do ya have a panel that could speed up the inevitable a bit???

thx, Billy

Funny, MarkH, but I think that, odd idea given where we're having this conversation, the answer to what you would like to tell the president should be relatively on-topic. You know, if he talks about education to millions of schoolkids, the things those kids would like to tell should have something to do with the address. You know, so they show listening comprehension and the ability to formulate questions and arguments for debate within set parameters. So if he does veer into educational policy, that's fair game. If they're pissed that he or the school addressed this audience in this way, they should surely be encouraged to say that, in a school-appropriate way. (As in, not ranting or using racist language, but being as politely emphatic as desired.)

And I would suggest that any school or teacher who puts this video up and doesn't encourage or allow students to express dissatisfaction or anger is in error. If my kid had been in school three years ago, and President Bush made a similar move, I would not have railed against it. I probably would have asked the teachers/principal what they planned to have kids do with it, though. And I would have made my voice known (the bad teacher's or unthinking principal's worst nightmare--a parent who is also an educator).

"and that most teachers are also liberal (and not usually the best or the brightest citizens in the first place) "

This is the kind of comment that make me downright angry. If I were to take it seriously, you might see me evidencing some of the rhetoric and anger shown by so many posters to DR.

On what do you base this? Particularly the not bright part? Do you know enough teachers to have a representative sample of the teacher populace? Do you have a working definition of "best and brightest" that you can share? And finally, but not to be ignored or discounted, why is there an assumption that because a person is liberal he or she will not encourage alternate viewpoints or work to keep their bias out of discussions or expressed in ways that don't shut down conversation with those who hold alternate viewpoints?

Funny, I start with the assumption, when I'm entering a conversation, that the person will actually listen to an alternate point of view and think about it. Of course, that's silly of me in that I've seen again and again that maby people hold to their opinions (or _feelings_) in the face of numerous arguments. But I extend the benefit of the doubt. I don't assume that because a person is, say, conservative, they're stupid or evil or not ready to entertain alternate viewpoints. And I certainly don't assume that every person in a particular group holds a certain viewpoint because they're of that group. That's called stereotyping.

Hey dumbass libtards, notice that Obama is NOT asking American students to help the country or themselves, he is asking the kids to help HIM - President Obama!!!!! Help the President and not the country or themselves? If you don't see a problem with that you are a stupid fuck!!!!

JFK said "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." With Obama it is all about supporting him the Messiah, the overlord of the people.

Obama is seen just trying to get this grubby hands particularly on the high school students who will be legal voters in the 2012 elections.

Hey Dumbass Uta--notice that whatever was meant, the DoE changed the wording in question. (I would question who wrote the shit to begin with. The best lesson plans, usually, if the teacher's any good, are those created by the teacher anyway.)

To be less inflammatory about it, I too think the original wording is crap. Difference: I didn't assume that it was motivated by an effort to indoctrinate. And I wouldn't have assumed it if it were written by staffs hired by administrations run by Reagan, Bush, or Bush.

The assumptions in this argument are astounding.

The assumptions in this argument are astounding.

Par for the "right-wing" course:

Death panels.
Pull the plug on Grandma.
Death panels for the disabled.
Forced euthanasia for our Veterans.
Breast cancer patients to be killed off.
Obama's a socialist. No, he's a marxist.
He's a radical christian. No he's a secret muslim.
He's actually a Kenyan, not a U.S. Citizen.
He's an illegal alien.
He's coming for our guns.
He's implementing a civil military force.
He's going to indoctrinate our children.

Etc. etc. etc.

I had big issues with Bush, but the enormous difference between myself and these righties is that my information was routed in reality.

These folks aren't even on the same planet.

No kidding, Yav. Every week there's a new moronic and misleading claim about Obama.

A lot of people on all sides of the political spectrum think that this is a good way to remember that day and to build positive outcomes from terrible events.

...
#184 | Posted by DCinMA at 2009-09-04 1


and those people are ones who are supportive of obama dismanytling one of the most important arms of keeping us safe
the cia.
so its anything to keep from a FACT...everyone of the 9/11 bastards were muslims.
even the 'chosen' cant change that no matter how much he apolgizes.

Obama is seen just trying to get this grubby hands particularly on the high school students who will be legal voters in the 2012 elections.

People who are 14-18 today will be a miniscule slice of the electorate in 2012. No politician in this country would spend a minute's time trying to pursue their votes.

Your belief that Obama is specifically targeting them is flat-out crazy. The paranoia coming from some Republicans about the president is astounding.

"The paranoia coming from some Republicans about the president is astounding."


That's the Republican base.

...everyone of the 9/11 bastards were muslims.

Not good muslims. Some of the visited a strip club before taking their flight.

Oh, yeah...and then they MURDERED innocent people. Not good muslims at all.

PS- Most of the hijackers were from saudi arabia, not iraq, bl2. Just thought I'd remind you.

President George H.W. Bush gave an address to schools nationwide in 1991, from a junior high school in Washington, D.C. News reports from the time said the White House hoped that the address would be shown at schools nationwide, and Bush began his remarks by saying he was talking to "millions" of students "in classrooms all across the country." George Bush's essay question for children: "how can you help the president?"

We also found that Ronald Reagan took questions from high school students at the White House in 1986, and the question-and-answer session was broadcast nationally.

Reagan urged the students to stay in school and say no to drugs, but he also discussed overtly political matters, such as national defense funding, nuclear disarmament and -- in suprising policy detail -- taxes.

"The president is not our ruler but our representative, a citizen-executive drawn from the people. It is unbecoming to a self-governing republic to require schoolchildren to (to cite another test question) select the three most important words in the president's speech.

But, if we have to trudge down this grim road, go on, kid, I dare you: "That's all, folks!"

Oh, wait. You have to rank the three most important words in order:

1) Try

2) Something

3) Else"

-MARK STEYN

and those people are ones who are supportive of obama dismanytling one of the most important arms of keeping us safe
the cia.
so its anything to keep from a FACT...everyone of the 9/11 bastards were muslims.
even the 'chosen' cant change that no matter how much he apolgizes.

Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-09-05 11:13 AM | Reply


You mean by HOPEFULLY Prosecuting those sad fucks who tortured those detainees?? That ain't Not keeping us safe. As a matter of fact that is what this Country needs the most. When we prosecute our own for breaking the law it shows the rest of the world that we believe in human rights and the rule of law. Right now You have a bunch of God damned fucking wimps that don't want an investigation nor prosecution. We should prosecute the whole bunch including Dubya and Cheney. OUR COUNTRY DESERVES THEIR PROSECUTION. We need to stop torturing detainees for 3 reasons.

(1)It is Morally Ethically and Criminally wrong.
(2)Because it doesn't work
(3)Because we lose hearts and minds when we as a Nation torture.
(4)Oh and We lose the ability to condemn the enemy for torturing our very own servicemen/Women.

Larry

I don't get it, Tonton. How much of your post is quote, and how much is you? And what's your point?

If true, I love the irony that GHWB's question was "How can you help the president?"

But you know, critical thought, so far, is not really part of this question. As yet, in two different forums, not a single poster has taken on my idea that there could be a great lesson in this. (Nor the possibility that there could be a civics lesson in it, which I didn't mention but seems obvious.) The implied answer I've seen is the trite canard that all teachers are liberals (and somehow therefore likely to indoctrinate or be stupid--I would _never_ suggest that any conservative teacher or school employee I know was either given to swallowing some politician's tripe or likely to therefore push it in that context*).

(*I might suggest that a specific _individual_ I know would so so. But I wouldn't assume such because of his/her political affiliation. I expose my place in the political realm, in certain classes, quite frequently. But I expose it, ready for discussion, not stated as fact, but as my opinion. And I'm always ready to back it up--that is, try to show it's an opinion not a feeling.)

Larry--A friend of mine suggested recently that we lost even the pretense of moral high ground some time ago. (We were talking not only about proxy or covert ops and Blackwater, particularly what he feels is likely to happen in Mexico in the near future, but also extending to the numerous areas in the world where there appears to be no law and order. He was also suggesting that even those we find most distasteful in their actions on the world stage--we, as lefties--have world order in their agenda, even if it's side by side with personal power or enrichment. That is, even Cheney--if you subscribe to the idea that he is corrupt in various ways--wants _order_. It may not manifest the way I want it to, but it is about order. Off-topic, but fascinating.)

Prag good point. We are just another terrorist loving Country unfortunately. Bunch of shit if You ask Me and then we have the utter gall to claim we are The Best.

Larry

Well, mostly. But there are real conundrums (conundra? : ) ) here. I'm not a proponent of American empire, and we certainly engage in many things I find morally problematic. But... There is some truth, I think, to the idea that we do keep order in many ways. Or help to. I'm not sure it's as simple as dismantling empire. But I completely agree that there's little moral high ground left in an absolute sense.

PS- Most of the hijackers were from saudi arabia, not iraq, bl2. Just thought I'd remind you.

#314 | Posted by Alexandrite at 2009-09-05 11


so they WERENT MUSLIMS??
I believe thats what I said without refering to the country of origin??

or you wouldnt be just making that up now would you?

Afkabl2- just reminding you iraq had nothing to do with 9-11, as your little hero implied.
Based on your "writings" it appears that you could use random doses or reality now and again.

You're welcome, muslim hater.


President George H.W. Bush gave an address to schools nationwide in 1991, from a junior high school in Washington, D.C. News reports from the time said the White House hoped that the address would be shown at schools nationwide, and Bush began his remarks by saying he was talking to "millions" of students "in classrooms all across the country." George Bush's essay question for children: "how can you help the president?"


We also found that Ronald Reagan took questions from high school students at the White House in 1986, and the question-and-answer session was broadcast nationally.


Reagan urged the students to stay in school and say no to drugs, but he also discussed overtly political matters, such as national defense funding, nuclear disarmament and -- in suprising policy detail -- taxes.

#315 | Posted by shawnjanika at 2009-09-05


and you just happen to ignore the outrage at bush 41 talking from the left
called it "a campaign stunt" as thier least caustic remark...

and its a whole 'nother' thing when you look at obamas record of the past few months.

the others didnt take over banks and private business and try to take over 1/6th of the economy and do it all with people like the following in thier administrations

holdern
lloyd
jones
jarrett
zeke emanuel
sunstein


and these are just the ones we know about...there are about 30 other czars with NO OCNGRESSIONAL OVERSIGHT..
a FACT the left here has ignored all along

well prag and larry...if you both hate the place so much

no...I wont go there..havent seen that bumper stioker since about 1970

"and its a whole 'nother' thing when you look at obamas record of the past few months."

Nonsense. It's all about the (D) after his name.

Holy shit! I just read the top of this, the intro. 8Roper gave me credit for having a point. Publicly. I'm speechless. Crap. Thanks.

Afk--Don't be a maroon. You know better. Oh, that was a joke. That sentiment (leave) bothered me when I was 12 and doesn't bother me less now.

For clarity's sake, I never said I hate the place. I love my country. I think it can do better. I think we can do better. Most American critics I've known feel the same way--it's not about hating the place or the ideas; it's about recognizing the things we find problematic, for whatever reason, and _still_ loving the country and its people. I would not want to live anywhere else (well), and that's why I care.

Besides, it's my duty to dissent. As I do about the man I voted to elect. I am disappointed by the man, but not because I drank the Kool-Aid. Because I thought he would try harder. Because the stimulus package missed the mark (not in the way rightwing critics say). Because he broke with some of what he said, even granting that promises aren't promises but declarations of intent.

But somehow I can manage to feel all of those things and not insult him or make up labels that don't make a lot of sense (er, to me).

But now I'm off-topic. Damn. See what you do to me, you teabaggin', womanizin', library-residin' bastid! : )

"and its a whole 'nother' thing when you look at obamas record of the past few months."


There's nothing wrong with his "record". Everything you people call his "record" are nothing more than right wing whacko screaming points based on exaggeration and conjecture.

Reminds me of a line from an old Paul Simon song..."paranoia strikes deep in the heartland"

Does Ron Paul get his undies in a bunch over trivial matters like this? No.

#299 | Posted by rcade at 2009-09-05 09:18 AM |


Why don't you throw the words "what does Ron Paul say about Obama's speech to school children" into the google and read for yourself.

what does Ron Paul say about Obama's speech to school children

Googles it.

Came up with nada.

Teh Googles! They do NUTHIN'!

Do enlighten us all, Wishy!

Here is a case of a POTUS maiking a speech on the first day of school specifically for the nations students in which he encourages education and hard work.

Should be the most undivisive, uncontroversial thing evar.

But noooooooo...

Rtards are taking their kids outta school in protest in order to prevent them from turning into tie-dyed tee-shirtt wearing hippie commie athiest freaks.

Sommat like that, anyways.

Hard to make them out when they're all foamy-mouthed like that.

He's made the speech available online for parent to pre-screen th econtent.

He's made the event one which requires parental permission.

But still the Rtards scream of Stalin and Hitler and expect to be taken seriously by rational beings.

Yeesh.

So FAIL.

Be Well.

/Exiting the Drudge Retort, home of Rcade, the Drudge Gerbil and the usual gang of blog-folk, as ya do
stage left.

Why don't you throw the words "what does Ron Paul say about Obama's speech to school children" into the google and read for yourself.

If you had a link that contradicted me, you would have posted it. Paul focuses on big stuff like abolishing the entire Department of Education, not junk like this school speech kerfluffle.

what does Ron Paul say about Obama's speech to school children . . Googles it.

Came up with nada.

Teh Googles! They do NUTHIN'!
#331 | Posted by dethspud

Google Results; 1 - 10 of about 36,800,000 for ron paul, obama school speech. (0.19 seconds)

I got 38 MILLION hits -

wow, that is pretty enlightening . . .
I'll now be givin' Spud the benefit of doubt that he's on the wrong side of most issues simply because his information source is "filtered/censored" and he does NOT have access to complete data on both sides of any issue

could that be the case for other libs as well? not really wrong - - just not well informed

So you didn't find anything worth linking either, MarkH, but you still think that proves liberals are uninformed? That's some high-quality logic.

The kids have already been asked to do enough. At $5 billion in deficit spending a day, they'll have to pay back the Chinese so grandpa's house doesn't fall in value any more.

Maybe Obama should be asking, what can he do to help them? Stop the bleeding on all this spending?

But that's too much for our narcissistic organizer-in-chief. All about him, all the time.

So you didn't find anything worth linking either, MarkH, but you still think that proves liberals are uninformed? That's some high-quality logic.

#334 | Posted by rcade

'cade,
thx - your response re-enforces my conclusion that y'all are forming opinions without all the facts . .
Spud's Google = nada = 0; my identical Google = 37 million hits

also; my previous post was a mere observation and I made no mention of PROVING anything at all - -

it seems apparent the entirety of THAT post was filtered/censored by your ISP - naturally leading you to an erroneous conclusion (so what else is new?).

I could possibly forward ya hardcopys via the US Post Office to clarify my observation(s) - - however, that route has it's limitations as well

"Noone will convince me otherwise.

8roper."


Peggy?

"Okay, then prove that he's attempting to harrass and bully teachers, you pathetic loon.
#10 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis"


"OH, al-RIGHT :
(From the guidlines sent out by Obama's henchmen to principals/teachers):

Encourage the children to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president."

discuss what "the president wants us to do."

"Teachers can ask students "Why is it important to listen to the President and other elected officials - (because) what they say is important""

"Read books about President Barak Obama "

Those are not made up words, here they are directly from the Chicago Crinme Syndicate ( D.C. Chapter)

8roper"


What? You consider that bullying? That's proof positive that you are a Grade A, No. 1 pussy.

thx - your response re-enforces my conclusion that y'all are forming opinions without all the facts . .
Spud's Google = nada = 0; my identical Google = 37 million hits

Dethspud said that he searched Google for Ron Paul's response to Obama's school speech and he found nothing. That doesn't mean he found zero pages. It means he found no pages that answered that particular question.

Jiminy Christmas. I gotta do more drinking if I'm going to keep reading my own site.

I gotta do more drinking if I'm going to keep reading my own site

Beer Googles.

Making incoherant blog posts funnier since 1997!

Be Well.

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