Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

Notice a propensity of newly minted Libertarians showing up lately? Perhaps it's just coincidence their ranks swelled in inverse proportion to George Bush's approval rating, ditto that so many are mouthing traditional conservative talking points. But what about the everyday gun toting townhall screamers and taxcutters and deficit hawks we see on cable news: are they really libertarian as so many claim, or just conservatives in glibertarian clothes? Here's a few warning signs.

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And the number one sign: if you think government should stay the hell out of people's private business -- except when kidnapping citizens and rendering them to secret overseas torture prisons, snooping around the bedrooms of consenting adults, policing a woman's uterus, or conducting warrantless wire taps, you are no Libertarian.

Well...now we know Barak Obama isn't a Libertarian.

Daily Kos trying to set the definition for other ideologies? Isn't that sort of like a Christian trying to tell a Shaolin monk what it REALLY means to be a Buddhist? What a farkin' joke.

policing a woman's uterus

Sorry but that is a tired strawman. We could care less about the woman's uterus. Some people, however, think that abortion is murder. The government has a legitimate right to police murder.

You might not agree that it is murder, but trying to distort and minimalize the argument like that just makes you look stupid.

By the way, since when do you have to agree with every tenet that supposedly belongs to an ideology in order to identify yourself with it?

Are all Democrats anti-war?
Are all Democrats against violations of our freedoms like the Patriot Act?
Does a Democrat HAVE to support higher taxes?
Does a Democrat HAVE to be for expansion of government?

Can you name Democrats that don't follow the party line on one or more of those items?

This whole article is a non sequitur.

The level of funny is insufficient.

If you believe inflation is harmful to the economy, but believe that people who talk about the Federal Reserve are conspiratorial crackpot tinfoil loonies, you are not a Libertarian.

If you believe pot should be legalized, but tobaco should be made illega, you are not a Libertarian.

Member-
If you believe that the President has a constitutional right to indefinitely detain and torture a US citizen (as argued, and if fact done, by Bush/Cheney), then you are not a Libertarian.

BetelG, I don't believe the President has those "rights" [sic]. (Only individuals have rights, government officials have power, authority, etc, but no rights other than their own indiviaul rights).

But then again, Bush/Cheney never claimed to be Liberarian anyways.

If your default response on any issue that your party is called into question on is "Well the other party did it too!", you are not a Libertarian.

Notice a propensity of newly minted Libertarians showing up lately?

No more than the crop of "Progressives" I saw spring up after Kerry lost.

If you assign opposition party positions to those that don't agree with you, then attack them on those positions regardless of their actual beliefs, you might not be a Libertarian.


Libertarianism in One Lesson

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Or, How to Give Up on the American Ideal of Government Of, By, and For the People in One Easy Lesson

Kanrei, it's not fashionable on the right to care about the Constitution. They laughed at Ron Paul last year calling him name, and now all of a suddent, they are Johnny-come-lately defenders of the Constitution. How pathetic.

it's now

Mem,
I laughed at Ron Paul and am still laughing. Sorry, but I don't see him as "Joe Constitution."

i think the libertraians who admitted the iraq invasion was wrong before or shortly after march 2003 can be trusted

You're a libertarian if you recognize that our system of government is a criminal institution with popular license to commit acts of violence and coercion, both foreign and domestic.


Mem,
I laughed at Ron Paul and am still laughing. Sorry, but I don't see him as "Joe Constitution."

#16 | Posted by kanrei


Well, you are not a right-winger who suddenly figured out there is a such a thing as the Constitutin though.

#19 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-08-31 12:29 PM

Good point.

If you assign opposition party positions to those that don't agree with you, then attack them on those positions regardless of their actual beliefs, you might not be a Libertarian.

I'll take it a step further.

If you assigning opposition party positions to those you don't agree with, you shouldn't be allowed to use the computer without supervision because you're fucking retarded and incapable of having a discussion with grown-ups.

Here's lookin' at you, BetelG.

Frankly, I am not certain of the true distinction between a libertarian and a rightwing conservative Republican. All I know is that so many rightwingers were angered and embarrassed by GWB that they seem to be trying to distance themselves from GWB's policies by claiming to be something other than a Republican.
A turd by any other name smells just as rank.

if you think government should stay the hell out of people's private business -- except when kidnapping citizens and rendering them to secret overseas torture prisons, snooping around the bedrooms of consenting adults, policing a woman's uterus, or conducting warrantless wire taps, you are no Libertarian.

I've never seen any self-proclaimed libertarians support those ideas. Yet another article entirely premised on a strawman argument.

Better a libertarian than a terrible Libyan.

Frankly, I am not certain of the true distinction between a libertarian and a rightwing conservative Republican. All I know is that so many rightwingers were angered and embarrassed by GWB that they seem to be trying to distance themselves from GWB's policies by claiming to be something other than a Republican.
A turd by any other name smells just as rank.

#22 | Posted by moder8 at 2009-08-31 01:38 PM

That post is about as equally valid as this mirror image:

"Frankly, I am not certain of the true distinction between a communist and a leftwing liberal Democrat. All I know is that so many leftwingers were angered and embarrassed by Stalin and Mao that they seem to be trying to distance themselves from Stalin and Mao's policies by claiming to be something other than a communist.
A turd by any other name smells just as rank."

As one of those people who changed from Republican to Libertarian it was because the Republican party moved away from what I believed. I didn't wake up one day and say "I don't want people to think I liked GWB... I'll call myself something else"... I got more fed up with the spending, the illegal gov't actions, the ever increasing gov't intrusions, etc. Finally, I just said too much. And when McCain was the Repub candidate, I was on my way to vote and just stopped, said "fuck it... I can't vote for either of these son's a bitches"... and I drove home.

I want the gov't to abide by the constitution. If there is something that is wrong, like slavery, then change it. Do we need a standing army? Amend it. Let the states vote. Do we need a Dept. of Transportation? Energy? Education? HHS?

When the only difference between a Repub and a Dem is what they want to spend my money on, what the hell difference is that? When neither party even pretends to find a constitutional basis for their actions, then why would I support either one?

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