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As the FDA paves the way for clinical LSD trials, scientists are exploring its medical benefits. Is acid the new Xanax? Plus, from Angelina to The Beatles, a gallery of celebrity trippers.

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Bob Wold doesn't seem like your typical acid tripper. A happily married 56-year-old contractor with four kids who lives the suburbs of Chicago, he had never considered taking psychedelic drugs until about 10 years ago. At the time, he was suffering from cluster headachesknown as "suicide" headaches because they're so painfulfor 12 hours a day, and he was spending more than $20,000 a year on medication. Then he read a post on a support-group Web site from someone who said they'd found a miracle cure for their own cluster headaches: LSD.

Wold decided to try it. "Compared to brain surgery," he says, "taking a couple hits of LSD looked a lot more attractive." But ever since a bust of the country's biggest LSD lab nine years ago, the drug has become much harder to find. So Wold got his hands on the closest equivalent he could think of: psilocybin "magic" mushrooms (though he has since switched to LSD, which he says works better). The psychedelics arrived in a brown box at his doorstep from a long-distance dealer. He took one dose: about 1.5 grams. "In 15 minutes I could feel the difference," he says. "My head was clearer than it had probably been in the past 20 years. Other medications felt like they were just covering it up." But on acid, "All the pressure was gone."

There are three side effects of acid: enhanced long-term memory, decreased short-term memory, and I forget the third.


-- Timothy Leary


Nulli --

I like your new "Home Page" hahahahaha

is lsd good for me?

...i don't rightly remember...

Whatever it is I think I see
I blame on a hit of LSD
LSD came in my chocolaty chew
LSD I think I'm in love with you
I must have had too much LSD
Because everything's a Tootsie Roll to me.


I had a psych prof in college that warned us that all the LSD we took was going to physically crystallize in our brains one day.... we made him promise it was true.


We had a psych prof too that was really anti-LSD and devoted an entire 2 hour lecture to all the evils of it. Man was that the wrong day to go tripping.

I can't do psycodelic drugs any more
I can't afford any artificial joy
but the 90s sure were fun:)

I like your new "Home Page" hahahahaha

#3 | Posted by CalifChris

I owe it all to you, Chris.

other more sane ways to get an OBE...

"other more sane ways to get an OBE..."

I don't think the people in this article are exactly looking for an out-of-the-body experience.

"But ever since a bust of the country's biggest LSD lab nine years ago."

So THAT'S where all the cheap acid went after I graduated high school. I haven't taken it since. Mushrooms are OK, but the high just isn't as clean and they mess up my stomach.

Is LSD good for you?

Um, that really depends on... wait... I gotta go clean up this puddle of ceiling on the floor. There's no possible way that cranberry spackle is going to start grooving to hawkwind, but I should take a flashlight just in case.

Never liked LSD or mushrooms which is weird because I've enjoyed just about every other drug I've ever taken. Just wasn't enjoyable to me.

Although I still laugh about this one exchange:

Other Dude (who thinks I'm a cop, but I don't know this yet): What are you doing?

Me: What does it look like? (toss the cigarette I was about to light to him).

Dude: What do you want me to do, smoke it?

Me: Not if you don't want to. They're bad for you. We should quit......

Dude: (Throws cigarette on the floor) That was fucking easy!

The whole idea that he had just quit smoking by throwing a butt on the floor cracked me up.

Then a train went by and started blaring its horn and the dude started screaming and ran through a screen door up to his bedroom and wouldn't come out. He thought the rest of my cop buddies were coming to get him. I had known this imbecile for years, BTW. So of course everyone else followed him up to his room and tried to babysit him for the rest of the night - except me who was left alone with my uh "thoughts" not a good time in that state.

My friends and I stood on a bridge all night watching a red rubber playground ball that was caught in the current at the bottom of the falls. We kept waiting for it to either get out and float away or be ripped up by the rocks, but it never did. After 8 hours, we were coming down, so we went home.

Only acid gives you that kind of unbridled optimism. Wait, maybe LSD is good for you.

I stopped taking acid & psilcybin in the late '70s. Those mind-expanding substances did not engender many fun times or cosmic revelations. The classic mistake I made was then turning to an even more evil substance with its own insidious deadly charm. By the time I finally gained that mythical "moment of clarity," my life had long disappeared and the road back was not without casualties, including myself.

No...it is not a good drug. Just being honest. Some drugs should rightfully remain on Schedule 1.

www.erowid.org

"No...it is not a good drug. Just being honest. Some drugs should rightfully remain on Schedule 1."

Confusing post. What drug should remain on schedule? What was the "more evil substance"?

I really envy people who can hallucinate. LSD, shrooms, salvia - nothing works for me in any dosage. I've been told that I'm hilarious and often naked, but that goes without saying.

On topic: I remember seeing a video regarding low-dose ecstasy used for family counciling during the 70's. It apparently was a super-cure - they all came out perfectly tuned; 100% success rate. I wonder what happened to disallow it's use in that manner?

On topic: I remember seeing a video regarding low-dose ecstasy used for family counciling during the 70's. It apparently was a super-cure - they all came out perfectly tuned; 100% success rate. I wonder what happened to disallow it's use in that manner?

It hasn't. Haven't you heard?

www.tripzine.com

I like your new "Home Page" hahahahaha

#3 | Posted by CalifChris


I owe it all to you, Chris.

#9 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-28 02:01 PM


Well, I must say, in your new picture you do look quite debonaire. lol

"I really envy people who can hallucinate."

Colors look more vivid and I have seen objects appear to "breathe" a little bit but I think for the most part the word "hallucinate" is an exageration. What I've found is that while I was tripping I would decide that something or someone looks like something else and then I would act as if that thing were something else. Sometimes the results weren't very nice like if I decided someone looks like a giant lobster man and ask him to leave my fucking house because he's freaking me the hell out. But the whole time I was aware of what those objects and people really were on some level.

So other than inanimate objects breathing it was more a warping of my perceptions than it was outright hallucinations.

Now the one time I had the DT"s from drinking too much the day before - that time I was seeing shit that just wasn't there.

Where you start from and what you bring with you make all the difference.

Set and setting.

"Set and setting."

And know your substance. And dosage.

It did wonders for my grades in H.S..

"I really envy people who can hallucinate."

Colors look more vivid and I have seen objects appear to "breathe" a little bit but I think for the most part the word "hallucinate" is an exageration. What I've found is that while I was tripping I would decide that something or someone looks like something else and then I would act as if that thing were something else. Sometimes the results weren't very nice like if I decided someone looks like a giant lobster man and ask him to leave my fucking house because he's freaking me the hell out. But the whole time I was aware of what those objects and people really were on some level.
So other than inanimate objects breathing it was more a warping of my perceptions than it was outright hallucinations.
Now the one time I had the DT"s from drinking too much the day before - that time I was seeing shit that just wasn't there.
#22 | Posted by sully at 2009-08-28 03:51 PM

Mom just called - she admits that when she tried acid she was watching cartoons on the ceiling. Very hallucinatory, she explains it precisely as it's described as a "good trip".

I guess I don't have a vivid enough imagination or my "baggage" is too heavy.

Here's free tip: Don't look carefully at other people's faces in the dark when you're tripping. I'm just saying - don't do it.

We went to a golf course at night to go ice-blocking, and while we were having a couple of beers a white sedan started tearing across the fairway right towards us. We ran into the bushes up the hill and hid. I got seperated from my two friends. I just sat in the bushes for a while, then I heard this hissing sound. I couldn't believe it - the fucking cops were tear-gassing the bushes to flush us out. I thought it might be because we were dressed in camo.

I waited about another 30 minutes in the bushes, then crept down towards where we had been hanging out. My two friends were sitting there, drinking the 12-pack, wondering where the fuck I had gone. I guess the dude in the car was just some sort of greenskeeper, because he just turned on the (hissing) sprinklers, and left our beers were they were. Yeah, I felt kind of dumb, it's true.

Tripping De-Light Fantastic
Are psychedelic drugs good for you?
By John Horgan

slate.msn.com

Why does this page keep melting?

re: #18...Nulli...a conversation best left for a less public forum. I mistakenly let that particular cat out of the bag here some time ago and my ill-advised naive moment of honesty was instantaneously shit on.

My friends and I stood on a bridge all night watching a red rubber playground ball that was caught in the current at the bottom of the falls.....After 8 hours, we were coming down, so we went home.

Only acid gives you that kind of unbridled optimism. Wait, maybe LSD is good for you.

#15 | Posted by missesmerelda


Well worth listening to, if just for the memories.

Paul McCartney talks about his take on acid. Also, Beatles play the song "Day Tripper"

Breaking news from CNN...

www.youtube.com

Knotty pine has so much faces.

Knotty pine has so much faces.

#35 | Posted by grumpy_too


FF!

And shame on me for getting the joke. lol

"The freeway is melting....put it in the jar!"

www.youtube.com

"Heh, heh, we spiked the bourbon."

(New Year's Eve 1969)

well, until you can drop one and go home and sit with your parents while they're watching "all in the family" and laugh in all the appropriate spots - you're not professional lsd study material. 1971. i think.

#39 | Posted by nanc

Huh?

Interesting article.
I really hate Tim Leary because he was a professional who ruined the chances for clinical trials of the (up until that time) ONLY drug ever shown to have potential to treat personality disorders.
That means, maybe (not certainly, only maybe) we could actually have changed psychopaths? Who knows.
The fact is, more responsible researchers before Leary found mega-doses of niacin would make a LSD tripper come down, and the same mega-doses of niacin would make some (not all) mania cases come down as well. There is a link, and Leary's idiotic and irresponsible ventures have delayed such research.
How many people might be decomposing in state asylums because that Harvard jackass had to grab camera space and column inches.

I really hate Tim Leary because he was a professional who ruined the chances for clinical trials of the (up until that time) ONLY drug ever shown to have potential to treat personality disorders."

Well, his rhetoric was irresponsible, but the government would've banned it anyway. It's too threatening to authority. It's not like state-approved drugs like alcohol, television, tobacco, sports, etc., that sedate the masses.

Its been good for me,but I don't think its for everyone.
Lsd 25 Liquid from San Francisco,clean as a whistle.Best halucinations,happy mushrooms.Peyote's good too,but is kinda rough.

Nanc blew her brains out in the '70s. That's why she'a all hot for Jay-sus.

"sit with your parents while they're watching "all in the family""
~cranc

My parents were never stupid enough to watch moronic shit like "All in the Family." We played bridge.

#45 | Posted by Zatoichi - to steal a line from one of the multi-personalities here - "give zat a cracker!" some would say that "all in the family" was the pioneer in today's television programming - opened the door to all sorts of crappy-sappy programs. man i wish i could be as elite as you think you are, zat - why, i'd be so full of myself i'd probably explode if i stood too close to a flame...

#45 | Posted by Zatoichi - but they were stupid enough to rub potties together at least once and spawn you?

Only the first time.

you are too full of yourself, butch.

and the line is "Give nanc a cookie"

thank you, rnv.

I really hate Tim Leary because he was a professional who ruined the chances for clinical trials

Yeah he was. He took a chemical that could have led to breakthroughs in psychiatry and neuroscience and got it more negative publicity than any government propaganda campaign could have hoped. Nullifidian has a point - it would have been banned anyway, but perhaps not until more rigorously controlled experiments could have been performed. The kind of experiments that make the government more open-minded to allowing research. Psychedelic research has been a huge taboo until recently.

Diablo, you bring up a very interesting point when you mention niacin. Everything that gets classified as "schizophrenia," for example, is not the result of the same disease process. Same goes for "bipolar disorder" or any given personality disorder. A small portion of psychotic individuals do respond to dietary modifications. B vitamins and phenylalanine restriction come to mind. Nutrient deficiencies also worsen symptoms in some individuals. I imagine a lot has been or will be learned by investigating why this is the case. Maybe a research group will get one of those evil NIH grants to investigate it (though I'm sure you would find some excuse to bitch about it).

you are too full of yourself, butch.

and the line is "Give nanc a cookie"

#49 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-08-29 11:42 AM


thank you, rnv.

#50 | Posted by nanc at 2009-08-29 01:28 PM |


nanc --

Were you just joking around when you wrote "thank you, rnv" or is "JerryTarkanian" actually another username for "Redneckville"? Nothing would surprise me anymore on here. I figured you were just kidding, but it's hard to tell anymore with so many different usernames.

What might be fun is to paint acid on door handles, particularly those police cruisers who are decidedly assholes.

A guy once told me he did some that was made in a form that you instilled it in your eye.

#53 | Posted by CalifChris - rnv is the only person i can think of who calls me that - jerry slipped - i figured him out.

A guy once told me he did some that was made in a form that you instilled it in your eye.

Actually your eye is very permeous.If your spraying laquer paints or using epoxies or anything you need a respirator for can be absorbed through your eyes,same with your skin.The guy that invented(discovered) it had the first trip as he had absorb it through his hands.
I don't stick anything in my eyes but have done a couple drops in my nose.Good times.

is lsd good for me?

...i don't rightly remember...

#4 | Posted by nanc at 2009-08-28 01:50 PM | Reply | Flag:

Then that was probably just booze, Nanc. I'm sure of very few things, but if you (and just you in particular for this little thought experiment of mine) tripped on acid you'd fuckin' remember it, or have the ugly police report to remind you.

nanc

#53 | Posted by CalifChris - rnv is the only person i can think of who calls me that - jerry slipped - i figured him out.

#56 | Posted by nanc at 2009-08-30 01:30 AM

The intrigue continues hahaha.

So if rnv (Redneckville) is the one using the name "JerryTarkanian" (whom we all thought had been "ITSME") then what name is "Itsme" using on here now? And where is "Itsme"?

"Itsme" used to be "Hillbillydeluxe" but then he dropped that name and we all thought "Itsme" changed his new username to "JerryTarkanian."

Now it looks as though ITSME must be floating around here on DR under some other username we don't even know. LOL

BUT JerryTarkanian and RNV do have very different posting styles. JT is much briefer in his comments -- more into using one-liners -- whereas RNV usually writes longer posts.

We need a "DR Who's Who" to figure this place out. lol

#58 | Posted by BetelG - it was an experiment in humor - lost on you, betelg. as usual.

chris - i'm NOT going to follow jt or rnv around - most times if i just turn around on a post THERE THEY ARE! strange, but i can imagine the guy sitting on a toilet with a notebook on each knee trying to figure out who he is on each!

Is LSD Good for You?

Let's ask Stanislav Grof:


Q: You took LSD for the first time in 1956 at the lab where you worked. How long did it take you to connect your personal interest in psychedelics with your interest in psychoanalysis?

A: I had a very, very powerful experience of cosmic consciousness. My teacher's particular focus was in training the brain waves, which is exposing people to a powerful strobe light of different frequencies, and then checking if the brain waves in the optical cortex would actually pick up the frequency that you are feeding in. In the middle of my session, I was exposed to this powerful strobe that just took it to a whole other level. Up to that point I saw aesthetic, beautiful images, geometric images and kaleidoscopic images that looked like stained glass windows of a Gothic cathedral. But the moment the strobe light was turned off there was an incredibly radiant light. At the time it seemed like what it would have been like in Hiroshima when the atomic bomb went off. My consciousness left my body and had no more boundaries. It is very difficult to put into words... I had additional experiences that current psychiatry cannot explain at all. I really believe today that if psychiatrists in the mainstream would pay attention to the study of these experiences, it would lead to a revolution that would be comparable to what the physicists went though in the first three decades of the 20th century when they went from Newton to Einstein.

...I compare LSD to a microscope or telescope. There is a whole micro world there that we don't know anything about and we cannot study unless we have a microscope, and there are galaxies that we cannot study unless we have a powerful telescope. The telescope and the microscope don't create these worlds. They just make it possible for us to study them. In the same way, LSD does not create these experiences, but in the same way it just releases this deep content from the psyche. That makes it very unique.


from an interview with the psychedelic professor.

See also: LSD treatment for alcoholism gets new look. Apparently, some subjects haven't had a drink in 40 years.

How many Drudgetards would benefit from some LSD, or a heroic dose of boomers?

Realms of the Human Unconscious: Observations from LSD Research, by Grof, is a truly amazing book.

He's got a few out-there ideas with no empirical support (ancestral memories, reliving past lives, etc), but by and large his LSD-aided psychoanalysis sessions yielded results similar to those of traditional psychoanalysis, although in a fraction of the time.

The illustrations and responses produced by subjects under the influence of LSD were steeped in symbolism related to the individual's "core (traumatic) experience"; thus a well-trained psychoanalyst could more quickly piece together the aspect(s) of a patient's life related to the trauma which were not integrated with the rest of his/her consciousness.

Failure to "integrate" (ie recognize, cope with, move on, etc) aspects of the core trauma, Grof argued, gives rise to a complex built up around the experience, and patients have a strange tendency to symbolically re-live their trauma. IIRC, for example, one of the case studies was of a young woman who was raped and beaten up by a stepfather; later in life, she (unconsciously) re-lived the initial trauma by gravitating toward the same kind of man, ie, one who mistreated her. The same basic idea seems to hold true for a variety of different experiences.

Really interesting stuff. Too bad loudmouths like Leary believed enlightened nirvana is just an acid hit for everybody away. LSD can have powerfully positive effects when administered by a professional, for example, but idiot teenagers who dose and go to see a slasher film will probably go out of their minds. LSD is certainly not a drug to be taken lightly, or on a whim. Because of that fact alone, at least 98& of the public should probably never try it unless supervised by someone with extensive training...

"How many Drudgetards would benefit from some LSD, or a heroic dose of boomers?"

I can think of dozens.

LSD is certainly not a drug to be taken lightly, or on a whim.

Definitely.

Because of that fact alone, at least 98& of the public should probably never try it unless supervised by someone with extensive training...

That's a bit overstated. Most mentally healthy adults could handle it just fine, assuming quality of product and known dosage, good set and setting. A lot of the problems recreational users had during the sixties was due to the high strength of the doses, e.g., 300 mics for orange sunshine.

"LSD is certainly not a drug to be taken lightly, or on a whim."

Most mentally healthy adults could handle it just fine, assuming quality of product and known dosage, good set and setting. A lot of the problems recreational users had during the sixties was due to the high strength of the doses, e.g., 300 mics for orange sunshine.


Legalize and people will know what strength pharmaceutical grade LSD they're getting. And as far as 60's acid that was acid worth taking by the 70's the labs started getting too cautious ruining it. Kinda like being stuck with nonalcoholic near beer instead of regular beer at a cookout.

"the labs started getting too cautious ruining it."

That was a good thing. Far better to require multiple doses than to get overdosed on one.

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