Drudge Retort: Red Meat for Yellow Dogs

After spending weeks dogging George W. Bush's presidential vacations in Crawford, anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan is now trying to make life uncomfortable for President Barack Obama during his vacation on Martha's Vineyard.

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She is a useful idiot for whoever wants to use her.

She's doing a good job of putting the spotlight on Obama's war hypocrisy.

At least she is honest in her convictions. She isn't a partisan hack.

Protesters are funny.

I don't care if they are protesting the rape of infants. The issue doesn't mater.

Protesters are fucking wackos.


She's doing a good job of putting the spotlight on Obama's war hypocrisy.

#2 | Posted by JeffnDenmark

Yeah, because it worked so well against Bush.

Man you're a dumbfuck.


At least she is honest in her convictions. She isn't a partisan hack.

#3 | Posted by schmanch

Which is precisely why the lefty media dumped her - she had the audacity to call out complicit Dems as well as Bush. Can't have that.

When are we pulling out of Iraq?


Protesters are funny.


I don't care if they are protesting the rape of infants. The issue doesn't mater.



#4 | Posted by Manypaths


What you've chosen to mention as a hypothetical here is odd and disturbing to say the least.

At the same time , it's not surprising coming from you you fuckin weirdo.

Stings, don't it?

Wake me Up when she is Babbling in Tongues and Carrying an Assault Rifle!


Until then she isn't even on the Same Richter Scale of Uselessness as the Crayon Eating HannimBaughBoortz Listening Protester!

Marthas Vineyard....heading down there for two weeks vacation myself starting this Saturday. Only about 1.5 hours to the Ferry from here.

Good for Cindy. Obama needs to keep his promise and end the war in Iraq.

As much as I know 0bama is a lying sack of shit - always has been, always will be - Sheehan is only besmirching her son's memory with these protests

She's a racist.

Sheehan is quite simply projecting her own guilt for abandoning a child who later was killed in action. Someone should call the guilt ridden bitch out.


At least she is honest in her convictions. She isn't a partisan hack.
#3 | Posted by schmanch
Which is precisely why the lefty media dumped her - she had the audacity to call out complicit Dems as well as Bush. Can't have that.
#6 | POSTED BY JEFFJ AT 2009-08-27 02:46 PM

Hmm, that's ONE plausible explanation. A better one is that the media doesn't want to show ANY protests of the war......because they are giant corporations, many directly affiliated with the invasion/occupations, (read war profiteers)......

See Jeff, the thing is, is that as long as they keep us at each other as partisans, they don't have to worry too much about being called on their profiteering and shilling for unnecessary wars for profit...

You can pretend the media is "lefty", but most people know better...in fact, the most lefty conglomerate in your mind, nbc, no doubt, is owned by one of the charter members of the war profiteering corporations....General Electric...

But don't let little things like facts and common sense sway you, you've got those media talking heads to tell you what to think, eh?

Cindy Sheehan is showing she's for real....the mother of one of over 5000 dead US troops.....and for what? As soon as we actually pull out of iraq, the violence returns. We created a power vacuum there and previously, the govt was secular, now it's not....And as soon as we forgot about Afghanistan, the Taleban returned and have re-garnered the support of the people.....

Give em hell, Cindy!


At least she is honest in her convictions. She isn't a partisan hack.

#3 | Posted by schmanch


I think she's just trying to cover up the fact that she made an ass out of herself like a lot of other Libs.

Comical.

I think
#17 | POSTED BY EDDIE AT 2009-08-27 08:54 PM

Doesn't seem like it. People that smear gold star mothers aren't thinking, just spewing what they've been told to think.

Honoring war veterans and/or their parents, based on politics, is not a thinking man's pov, imo.

Sheehan is quite simply projecting her own guilt for abandoning a child ...

How many times do people have to correct this falsehood before Sheehan's critics stop spreading it? Cindy Sheehan never abandoned Casey. She raised him from birth. The story that she abandoned him is false.

urbanlegends.about.com

It may be interesting to see if Obama meets with her instead of sending a flunkie like lilaWol chickenshit did.....

btw, anyone notice how that last regime TANKED straight down and kept going after Sheehan stood up to them and faced them down on their own territory?

Do some review and check the timeline....

Of course then there was the Jessica Lynch and Tillman incidents, where lilaWol tried to USE war vets for political gain.....

How'd that work out?


I think
#17 | POSTED BY EDDIE AT 2009-08-27 08:54 PM


Doesn't seem like it. People that smear gold star mothers aren't thinking, just spewing what they've been told to think.


Honoring war veterans and/or their parents, based on politics, is not a thinking man's pov, imo.

#18 | Posted by woke at 2009-08-27 09:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm not smearing a Gold Star Mother, LOL!!!

She took that honor and the honor of her son and his fellow soldiers and stomped on it, just for her own gain.

Like I said, she is doing this today to cover up her multiple mistakes in the past.

What are you trying to prove?

That you're anti-Bush?

Are you anti-Military as well?

Woke,

Obama is failing miserbly.

Let's focus on that, ok?

You're starting to sound like Obermann and Maddow!

Pathetic!

just for her own gain.

#21 | Posted by Eddie

What do you believe she's gained?

Which is precisely why the lefty media dumped her - she had the audacity to call out complicit Dems as well as Bush. Can't have that.

#6 | Posted by JeffJ


following up on Woke's excellent post, a TRULY lefty media would look a WHOLE lot different.


How much coverage is there on truly liberal issues.

War protests
War profiteering
Outsourcing the military
Gun control
Legalizing Drugs
Encroachment on politics by religon
Criminalization and emprisoning our populace
Liberal economic policies
Impact on civil liberties
Same Sex marriage
the poor in America

how much of the media actually obsesses and covers this stuff religously?
Banking

Sheefilth is a a nasty hog, someone stick a fork in this ghouish pig, the 15 minutes of fame that her sons heorism bought her are long gone.


She's a racist.

#14 | Posted by mysterytoy at 2009-08-27 08:42 PM


Gotta be. What else could motivate an act like this?

Sheehan isn't spoiling Obama's vacation as much as Gallup and Rassmussen have.

I'm not smearing a Gold Star Mother, LOL!!!
#21 | POSTED BY EDDIE AT 2009-08-27 09:31 PM

I think she's just trying to cover up the fact that she made an ass out of herself like a lot of other Libs.
#17 | POSTED BY EDDIE AT 2009-08-27 08:54 PM |


Uh, gee Ed, do ya have a logic problem there buddy?

You certainly have a POLITICAL PARTISAN PROBLEM....if you decide which war veterans and their families you honor based on politics and it's pretty obvious from your posts that you do exactly that.

Am i anti military?

Nope, I served...68-72, including a stint in nam, my friend....where I woke up and learned not to believe everything i hear on tv/radio and i began to READ....instead of listen to partisan shills

How bout u Ed?


And I'm willing to give Obama a chance.....let's face it....the bar is setting on the ground thanks to lilaWol/hallichainy......can't get any worse imho......they left our country with two endless occupations costing trillions (the lefty media never speaks of) and tanked our economy by giving the rich 1% (141,000 people avg 7.4 million a year) tax cuts.....deregulated bankers and allowed short term profit taking and speculation with our energy markets.....(remember who gave half a mil to elect them? kenny lay, eh?)

Face it, if the economy continues to turn around and we don't get attacked by Sept 11th, he's already beat the last regime....

no?

Time you woke too Ed....

I

ZEIT

So, standing up for what you believe in, trying to keep other families from suffering the fate of losing their loved ones for war/oil war profiteers is just grabbing for fame, eh?

Well, tell us buddy. What did YOU ever stand up for in your life?

THINK about standing up to the MOST POWERFUL position in the world, potus for what you believe in...

My guess is that Cindy has more balls that you'll ever grow son....

btw....you oughta work on that misogyny bro.....you never gonna get a good woman being a hater like that...eh?

It's nice to see that there are still a few liberals around who actually oppose the war based on principle, and not based on who's running it. The lack of outrage over the war since January is one of the most blatant exhibits of hypocrisy I've ever seen.

Mook (or what ever it calls itself)

Since you're 'new' here I will lay out some basic laws of reality.

1. Outside of a music thread, you never address me directly, either by name or inference.

2. I am a godlike figure that you either worship or fear.

3. I have reached the highest level of blogdom, I make Statements of Fact that are not up for debate.

4. This post is the only direct interaction you will ever have with me.

Consider yourself blessed by the hand of god that I have spent any time acknowledging your smallness.

woke dont feed the trolls.

Joe

the primary fact on the reduction in the volume against the iraq fiasco is the reduction in US deaths. trust me we want us out now and I think obama is failing in not getting us out soon.

Right TRUTH...

I don't feed them, I poke them with a stick of truth/facts and watch them scurry back under their rocks IF they trolleyboys....

Otherwise, i can be pretty tolerant of different pov....

and I think obama is failing in not getting us out soon.
#33 | POSTED BY TRUTHHURTS AT 2009-08-27 10:41 PM

I'm hoping you aren't correct there......

He said plainly 16 months....That would be what? May 2010.....so far in moving our troops back and letting the iraqis take over he is on track, imo......

Give peace a chance eh?

That being said, i'll be standing with Sheehan next May if we are still there......I was before........and for those who don't know, many, many war veterans marched and went on tour with Cindy.....provided security to the entourage, etc....Everywhere she spoke, iraq/afghanistan war vets spoke too....

unfortunately the cynic in me sees us being in iraq for a long time, we have too large an investment there and the oil is too precious to our strategic needs for us to leave, the best we will get is hopefully a few months without casualties but still pouring alot of money into iraq.

well at least blackwater is making alot of money.

blackwater, halliburton/KBR and many, many other giant global war/oil profiteering corporations

Pretty obvious that is what it was all about and regardless how long we stay, when we leave, all hell will break loose cause we created a power vacuum and theocracy in iraqnam, and the pashtuns in Afghanistan have already spoken by allowing the Taleban to return....they will run and hide and cool it a little while we SURGE, just as in iraqnam...however.....those of us who've lived it know....
/

no foreign conventional occupier can defeat a homegrown guerilla insurgency.....

which makes both occupations NO WIN SENARIOS for our troops, our country, their countries....in fact, there are only one group of people who are benefitting...

war/oil profiteers.....

same goes for healthcare....only one group benefits from the status quo....and they TRIPLED the costs since the clinton's tried to bring up health care reform in the 90's, eh?

giant global health/pharma profiteers....

imo, education, healthcare and national security must not be run by corporations that place PROFITS above all.....and they most certainly do...


I appreciate your posts, btw

The fact that the troops are still there, the patriot act is still here, and the dept. of fatherland security is still here should be all that any 'thinking' person needs to know.

Corporate cocksucker.

Shawn

The idea that someone thinks Obama by himself could change all those things is ludicrous......the military/pharma/oil/war corps have been running things since Eisenhower, the last decent, non-neocon repub, and he warned us about them.....add to that the "agency".....and it's pretty disengenuous to rail at obama 7 months after he takes office, no?

How many calls to your reps have YOU made? How many meetings on healthcare organized?

It's a government OF, BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE.......to expect the potus to go it alone and snap his fingers and change these long time institutions and corporate owned "representatives" seems naive to me....

Time heals all wounds and wounds all heels
Groucho Marx

She is so right!
what are we doing in afganistan?
put the heat on.

Mook (or what ever it calls itself)

Since you're 'new' here I will lay out some basic laws of reality.

1. Outside of a music thread, you never address me directly, either by name or inference.

2. I am a godlike figure that you either worship or fear.

3. I have reached the highest level of blogdom, I make Statements of Fact that are not up for debate.

4. This post is the only direct interaction you will ever have with me.

Consider yourself blessed by the hand of god that I have spent any time acknowledging your smallness.

#31 | Posted by r_zeitgeist

Boy, you must have a really small dick.

Hahahaha, I know most liberal males on this blog wonder about the lenght and girth of my penis and the smell of my testcles and anus.

Disturbing but expected.

Queer is as queer does.

The idea that someone thinks Obama by himself could change all those things is ludicrous......the military/pharma/oil/war corps have been running things since Eisenhower, the last decent, non-neocon repub, and he warned us about them.....add to that the "agency".....and it's pretty disengenuous to rail at obama 7 months after he takes office, no?

--------

bull fucking shit. They own the government, and do what they want.

and for calling me disingenuous: GO FUCK YOURSELF!

Cindy can do what she wants--it's a free country with free speech done peacefully.

She is consistent and drawing attention (whatever the degree or side) to her POV.

I dont agree with her--but she is consistent.

...must have a really small dick.

Rumour has it Rex masturbates with a magnifying glass and pair of felt lined tweezers.

His GF stopped giving him head coz her doctor warned her about the dangers of choking on small bones.

Is partially why he's so mad alla time.

Be Well.

"...must have a really small dick."

Rumour has it Rex masturbates with a magnifying glass and pair of felt lined tweezers.

His GF stopped giving him head coz her doctor warned her about the dangers of choking on small bones.

[Gulp] Umm...that would be me Spudmeister but it functions all right so I ain't complaining too much.

I'm not smearing a Gold Star Mother, LOL!!!

She took that honor and the honor of her son and his fellow soldiers and stomped on it, just for her own gain.

Like I said, she is doing this today to cover up her multiple mistakes in the past.

What are you trying to prove?

That you're anti-Bush?

Are you anti-Military as well?

#21 | Posted by Eddie at 2009-08-27 09:31 PM | Reply | Flag:



That's the rightard mentality we so love to see on display like brains on a highway.

When backed into a corner simply try to paint the other side as 'unpatriotic' and 'anti-military'.

Good stuff. I haven't seen that since....gosh...it's been hours now!

commonsenseless... Damn, you must read SLOW.

#31 | POSTED BY R_ZEITGEIST

Who know WiFi could penetrate such a heavily padded room?

commonsenseless... Damn, you must read SLOW.

He doesn't read slow -- he is slow

aug was the deadliest month for american troops in Afghanistan,44 dead.so where is the daily blanket coverage she received when she camped out at bushes ranch.bush did meet with her once will obama?

She took that honor and the honor of her son and his fellow soldiers and stomped on it, just for her own gain.

How has Cindy Sheehan gained from her anti-war campaign, exactly?

bull fucking shit. They own the government, and do what they want.

#43 | POSTED BY SHAWN AT 2009-08-28 12:02 AM | REPLY | FLAG:

and for calling me disingenuous: GO FUCK YOURSELF!

#44 | POSTED BY SHAWN AT 2009-08-28 12:03 AM

Great arguments genius! Especially the insult, it makes your case so clearly....

Uh, where do you live, Saudi Arabia??


We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence,[1] promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.


www.law.cornell.edu

How has Cindy Sheehan gained from her anti-war campaign, exactly?

Notoreity. Sure that's nothing to you and me, but she feels she deserves more than her guaranteed 15 minutes.

She took that honor and the honor of her son and his fellow soldiers and stomped on it, just for her own gain.
How has Cindy Sheehan gained from her anti-war campaign, exactly?

#53 | POSTED BY RCADE AT 2009-08-28 07:56 AM

I noticed you asked that previously rcade. They don't know, they just know their unkkkle kkkarl told them to hate Sheehan and so they do. Indoctrinated people have lost the ability to think for themselves.
Anyone smearing war veterans or their families based on politics have been indoctrinated and honor politics above all.

And "woke" comes out of his slumber. You forgot to follow your atrocious posting style that "woke" started with.
Over time, all retreads give themselves away.

Soon you'll be telling us stories about your friends, your travels, and your wealth. Heck, you've already pretended to be in the military, again.

And soon, you'll be pretending your "handle" 101CHAIRBORNE, makes you a military member, eh chickenhawk?

LMFAO

commonsenseless... Damn, you must read SLOW.

#49 | Posted by 1libertarian at 2009-08-28 04:58 AM | Reply | Flag:

YAAAAAAAWN.


Uh, gee Ed, do ya have a logic problem there buddy?

#28 | Posted by woke


Of Course! From your point of view, my logic doesn't work.

Time for you to think outside the box... Open your mind...

People blog for many reasons, but 2 are...
1. They want to post their point-of-view and will pound it in the ground--to educate and gain supporters.
2. They want to understand more. Put out your beliefs and see how long it floats. They are there to learn.

woke,
Tell me about your time in Korea...

101...

Sure tell me about your time in your mommy's basement pretending you are a vet by using a military handle for a name, but hiding from the real world of facts by using namecalling and insults....


???

Eddie's logic is that gold star mother's who've paid the ultimate price for repug's war profiteering deserve no respect....because her politics don't line up with his...

And then goes on to pretend that those of us who have served and come back and protest those occupations for the profit of a few, also deserve no respect, so he smears both groups based on his politics.....


I don't agree.

And I believe people like him are DUPES for the rich and war profiteers....


eh?

How quickly you forget old timer. It was your mommy's basement I spend time in, according to you.

I love dressing up as a VC when I take it to her.

Because of uneducated REMFs like you, we lost in Vietnam. The Greatest Generation is/was ashamed of you.

#1 | Posted by member2586

No, that would be a better description of yourself. She believes in something, is relentless to that cause, and has elevated herself into a nationally known figure. She has gone after the R's (Bush) and D's (Pelosi) alike. And you're contribution has been?

What do you know about Vietnam chairboy? You weren't even born yet and never served anyone but yourself and your neocon masters by posting insults and namecalling bs on your mommy's computer...

LOL

You think riding security convoys thru IIICorps is in the rear, eh?


too frickin funny sonnyboy...

-And you're contribution has been?


Winner Rush Limbaugh Lookalike Contest

and btw

we "lost" Vietnam, for the same reason we are "losing" in iraqnam and afghanistan....


No conventional foreign occupying military has ever defeated a homegrown guerilla insurgency....

The ONLY people who profit from these failed policies are the global war/oil profiteering corps whom you are shiling for on this blog....

certainly not our troops, our country, the countries involved, eh?

THINK

You think riding security convoys thru IIICorps is in the rear, eh?

#66 | Posted by woke at 2009-08-28 10:39 AM | Reply


You did no such thing, pops. I think you've watched too many movies. Didi, now.

You seem right at home here at the retort. In fact, you've come on like gangbusters and seem familiar with quite a few of the players. Who did you used to post as (just pick one of the names)?

Beefers thinks Cindy is just a crazy person....

She may have had a point in protesting the Iraq war but we are in Afghanistan because they asked for it....

Had they turned over Ben Laden they would be....

Well.... Maybe not....

I would have nuked the Bastards....

I was actually shocked by Bush's mild response....

Had Beefers been the President... You can vote for Beefers if you like in 2012.....

Afghanistan would be the worlds largest GLASS MINE!

Nuff Said.... Spits into a bucket....

Wow, all these people who know exactly what they would have done, eh?

If they had only served anyone but themselves....

LOL

woke thinks he's the only vet on the board. What a dumb shit.
There are literally tens of millions of military veterans. You are not unique in any way other than the fact you're one of the oldest living retards.

...in your mommy's basement

Never gets old. *snark*


Eddie's logic is that gold star mother's who've paid the ultimate price for repug's war profiteering deserve no respect....because her politics don't line up with his...

#63 | Posted by woke

Woke,

You're just an old hippy bent on changing the imperial ambitions of America! You Are losing because nothing has changed! You are as pathetic and wacky as Sheehan...

Nothing has changed since you fought in those terrible wars, it's only escalated. The Neocons have only learned from the Korea and Vietnam "conflicts" and figured out how to take control of a entire country with less deaths (but more injuries, long lasting injuries)

One thing that is happening is that the true Conservatives in the country are making headway in exposing the Neocons. This group is growing. You should check it out.

I suspect that you, Woke, are a member of the old hippy group that is anti-war and anti-corporate but you shop at Wal-mart and you work for a large car manufacturer, telecom, or chemical company and belong to a Union.

Am I close?

Bottom line, you try to come off as a free thinker but are far from it.

Bottom line, you try to come off as a free thinker but are far from it.


#74 | Posted by Eddie

But, there is hope.

you decided to talk to us (Drudge) for a while.


woke thinks he's the only vet on the board. What a dumb shit.
There are literally tens of millions of military veterans. You are not unique in any way other than the fact you're one of the oldest living retards.

#72 | Posted by 101Chairborne

101, you are a young idiot!

You really need to change your tact.

Sorry Ed,
I din't mean to lump you in with idiots like 101 who get a charge out of doing online what they cannot in the real world....

I respect other's opinions as long as they don't include denigrating war vets and their parents for political reasons, understand?

I indeed served 4 years from 68-72, including a tour in nam-69-70, where I "woke" up.....

The "hippie" group I belong to is vvaw.org.....more than 30,000 vietnam war vets who came back and spoke truth to power......


as opposed to blowing smoke on the internet and shilling for those who profit off of those "war" where thousands of our vets died and became maimed and hundreds of thousands of those occupied countries died during our occupations......reportedly 3 million vietnamese....

Honor the warriors, not the war

But, there is hope.
you decided to talk to us (Drudge) for a while.

#75 | POSTED BY EDDIE AT 2009-08-28 11:43 AM


this site is well named....imo...dealing with all the misinformation, lack of referenced facts, namecalling and insults doesn't speak well for it....and apparently you know that based on your admonition of the military wannabee 101

LOL

woke,
Again, you seem so familiar with the retort, and have taken a shining to me in particular. Be the "All American" you are and tell us who you've posted as before...

BTW, when addressing me, enlisted punks call me sir. Seeing as though you were never in the military, I'll give you a pass.

Last bit of info for the "genius"
Never been here before this week. This is NOT the only blog site on the internet. Expand your horizons and realize that. I came across this site thinking it might be a place that debate from all sides would be welcome and where actual FACTS with links to references are posted and valued, instead I find silly lil goofball syncophants like yourself spewing what they've heard from rushaddict, handjobbity, o'lielly along with juvenile insults...
I'll leave you here in your lil corner of the world.

Enjoy your ignorance Mr. AIRHEAD.

LMFAO

I came across this site thinking it might be a place that debate from all sides would be welcome and where actual FACTS with links to references are posted and valued

haha! good one!

She's doing a good job of putting the spotlight on Obama's war hypocrisy.
#2 | Posted by JeffnDenmark at 2009-08-27 02:11 PM

Cindy Sheehan needs a semi-regular update on Democracy Now!

President Obama has not slowed the assault on Afghanistan or the violence in Iraq.

Apparently the Taliban are still a CIA construct, just like al Qaeda.

Incidentally, Sheehan means "Descendent Of The Peaceful One" in ancient Ogham. Strangely, when I looked it up on thinkbabynames.com I get "small and tranquil". I remember someone mentioning the name means "power" of something.

From Irish folklore:
It is a matter of record that the sidhean were of the same species as men, and in ancient times the two "races" often cohabited and co-operated in producing children. The name sidh has almost endless dialectic variations, for example shia, shifra, shicare, she, sheee and sheeidh, some of which are reflected in human family names; for example, Sheehan, Shay, Shaw, Ay (an aspirated form of Shaw), Fayden, Fee and MacFee. The Gaels have sometimes benefited from their relations with the sidh, and Helen Creighton met an elderly Irishman who told her, unabashedly, that he had been imprisoned in Ireland and might have remained there except that, "the fairies took him out of gaol and carried him over here..."

President Obama has not slowed the assault on Afghanistan or the violence in Iraq
#82 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2009-08-28 04:25 PM

Interesting post except for that tidbit there bro.

Obama moved our troops back a little bit out of harm's way and turned security of the country over to the iraqis.....the result...??

LESS US TROOPS dead and maimed....I'm down with that.

As for the increase in Shia/Sunni violence, what would one expect?

Did you really believe lilaWol's SURGE ploy was anything more than a chance for him to get out of office and put it on someone, anyone else?

Invading/occupying countries is wrong, it created a huge power vacuum in iraqnam. Previously, the govt there was brutal, but at least kept the various religious fundies from having civil war....

Now, the new iraq govt constitution stipulates no law can be legislated that does not conform to the laws of Islam.....a THEOCRACY that 3 groups want to fight to control......

Imo, Obama is right on a timeline to withdraw within 16 months as he promised in his campaign..

Patience, my friend

"President Obama has not slowed the assault on Afghanistan or the violence in Iraq
#82 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2009-08-28 04:25 PM"

Interesting post except for that tidbit there bro.
Obama moved our troops back a little bit out of harm's way and turned security of the country over to the iraqis.....the result...??
LESS US TROOPS dead and maimed....I'm down with that.
As for the increase in Shia/Sunni violence, what would one expect?
Did you really believe lilaWol's SURGE ploy was anything more than a chance for him to get out of office and put it on someone, anyone else?
Invading/occupying countries is wrong, it created a huge power vacuum in iraqnam. Previously, the govt there was brutal, but at least kept the various religious fundies from having civil war....
Now, the new iraq govt constitution stipulates no law can be legislated that does not conform to the laws of Islam.....a THEOCRACY that 3 groups want to fight to control......
Imo, Obama is right on a timeline to withdraw within 16 months as he promised in his campaign..
Patience, my friend
#83 | Posted by woke at 2009-08-28 04:35 PM

Regarding the alleged Muslim on Muslim violence - the entire religion can't be blamed for these atrocities, but certainly I would slap Mohammad upside for promoting murder.

I've always suspected a para-military operating within our own inside of Iraq. They appear to be organized in a similar fashion to our troops and have complete and total access - probably perpetrating as our own.

You might find this article interesting:

Afghanistan, Another Untold Story
.. The Taraki government proceeded to legalize labor unions, and set up a minimum wage, a progressive income tax, a literacy campaign, and programs that gave ordinary people greater access to health care, housing, and public sanitation. Fledgling peasant cooperatives were started and price reductions on some key foods were imposed.

The government also continued a campaign begun by the king to emancipate women from their age-old tribal bondage. It provided public education for girls and for the children of various tribes.
A report in the San Francisco Chronicle (17 November 2001) noted that under the Taraki regime Kabul had been "a cosmopolitan city. Artists and hippies flocked to the capital. Women studied agriculture, engineering and business at the city's university. Afghan women held government jobs-in the 1980s, there were seven female members of parliament. Women drove cars, traveled and went on dates. Fifty percent of university students were women."

The Taraki government moved to eradicate the cultivation of opium poppy. Until then Afghanistan had been producing more than 70 percent of the opium needed for the world's heroin supply. The government also abolished all debts owed by farmers, and began developing a major land reform program. Ryan believes that it was a "genuinely popular government and people looked forward to the future with great hope."

But serious opposition arose from several quarters. The feudal landlords opposed the land reform program that infringed on their holdings. And tribesmen and fundamentalist mullahs vehemently opposed the government's dedication to gender equality and the education of women and children.

Because of its egalitarian and collectivist economic policies the Taraki government also incurred the opposition of the US national security state. Almost immediately after the PDP coalition came to power, the CIA, assisted by Saudi and Pakistani military, launched a large scale intervention into Afghanistan on the side of the ousted feudal lords, reactionary tribal chieftains, mullahs, and opium traffickers. ..

I've always suspected a para-military operating within our own inside of Iraq.

#84 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2009-08-28 04:47 PM

Blackwater or some other private special ops perhaps, eh?

I've always suspected a para-military operating within our own inside of Iraq.
#84 | POSTED BY REDLIGHTROBOT AT 2009-08-28 04:47 PM

Blackwater or some other private special ops perhaps, eh?
#85 | Posted by woke at 2009-08-28 04:59 PM

No. Israeli was my initial guess and appears to be correctly identified as the tactics and training employed. MI5 use Mossad techniques inside of Iraq and were caught red-handed at a point where "insurgent violence" was rising - by their very hand.

I've never really suspected the Iranian, but the violence seems directed at the locals (strapped into exploding cars and pointed at markets) which echoes the extreme racism and bigotry of both Iran and Israel. Perhaps they have joint operations within our covert military?

Also, the manner in which weapons caches are miraculously "stolen" out from under our troops appears performed by internal operations.

not mention "pallets of millions in cash" eh?

As rummy said when all the ammo dumps were looted in iraqnam...

"stuff happens"

not mention "pallets of millions in cash" eh?
As rummy said when all the ammo dumps were looted in iraqnam...
"stuff happens"
#88 | Posted by woke at 2009-08-28 05:20 PM

It does lead to an amount of distrust, but mainly I can find a consistent lack of investigation or correlation regarding the car bombings very suspicious.

Also, if you have seen the various terrorist videos they do have common elements which military intelligence appear to fail to recognize. Perhaps that's purposeful?

I don't trust anything regarding the invasions.

Cindy is a Mom who a lost a son. I disagree with her that war is not the answer, BUT I respect her. She is not political...she picked on Bush for being a war-monger and now she is going after President Obama. President Obama is escalating the war in Afghanistan!! This woman gave her son to this country; she has ever right to protest!

Give him hell Lesbo maybe you can hook up with his old lady.

Our maybe your's, eh? (considering your obvious misogyny)

LOL

(considering your obvious misogyny)
#92 | Posted by woke

Right, new poster. Brace yourself; some of these guys have real female, gay, and chest-thumping issues (probably dating back to their high school gym classes).

My guess is that Cindy has more balls that you'll ever grow son....


btw....you oughta work on that misogyny bro.....you never gonna get a good woman being a hater like that...eh?


#29 | Posted by woke at 2009

please...she is the poster child on being duped by goddamn democrats...

what was the name of the PR firm that first got ahold of her..I bet she isnt welcome in the office anymore...

dems used her and now dont have a use for her
EXAMPLE OF THAT AND the media being staterun and biased

when was the last time you saw reports following her every move.
THIS right here is the ONLY place you can even read about her

Of course when was the last time you heard any furor over deaths in iraq/afghanstan...little george is the only program you will hear much about it at all on his memorium at the end of the program..

dems this, dems that....yeah....talk to me some more about partisanship...


Cindy Sheehan became a national figure after her son died in the so called "war on terror". After listening to lilaWol spew bs about the "noble cause", she spoke at a Veterans for Peace rally and asked him publicly, "What noble cause".

We pretty much now know that the noble cause was filling the pockets of giant global oil/war profiteers and doing the bidding of Saudi Arabia and Israel....based on the lies and misinformation used to invade/occupy a country that DID NOT ATTACK US, was secular, not a theocracy and had nothing to do with those who did attack us.


lilaWol, being the chickenshit he is couldn't bother to meet with Sheehan on this issue (yes, he met with her previously along with a group of other gold star parents in grieving-and you should google that and read some of the accts about his actions)

The fact is that had he met with her, had some tea, treated her with kindness and respect (compassionate conservative my ass) the situation could have been defused then and there.

Instead it led to the beginning of his political demise.....View a timeline of his approval ratings drop from Sheehan on......It was the beginning of the end for him.....

Smearing gold star mothers (or war vets) BASED on their politics is simply dishonorable idiocy, imo.

Cindy..."War Happens"...

it has always happened,
it will always happen,
it will happen tomorrow,
it will happen next week,
it will not stop, no matter how
f'in loud you scream,
it will happen with Republicans,
it will happen with Democrats,
War Happens...

I mean I know she's pissed that her
son got killed and all....but then again
she should have kept him from enlisting
if she was so damn opposed to war...

she should have kept him from enlisting
if she was so damn opposed to war...

How?

Mr. Muse


She is protesting these wars regardless of politics of potus, do you understand that?

She is trying to save other troops, not her own son.

You have any kids? Are they teens? Grown?

If not, when you do, let me know imposing YOUR WILL on them works out, okay?

she should have kept him from enlisting
if she was so damn opposed to war...


Reminds me of a friend who enlisted in the Marines during the American War(that's what the Vietnamese call it)He told his mom he enlisted,she asked when he had to leave.Tomorrow he said.

Cindy..."War Happens"...

She's a greiving mom,her husband is a greiving father.It cost them their marriage.

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