Texas Textbook Standards Exclude Liberals

Sunday, August 23, 2009

Texas high school students would learn about conservative groups and politicians -- such as Newt Gingrich, Phyllis Schafly and the Moral Majority -- but nothing about liberals or liberal groups under newly drafted standards for public school history textbooks.

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I heard about this Friday but couldn't find an article about it til this morning. I think it is a pretty good illustration of how far some on the right would like to go to further their own agenda, not satisfied with trying to rewrite history in regards to the Depression of 1929, WWII, or Vietnam, now they even want to rewrite the history that is still fresh in our minds. I would imagine some DR righties will approve but I doubt even conservatives with even average intelligence would.

#1 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-23 08:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

Danni had never heard of, nor considered anyone on the left even thinking of furthering their agenda.

#2 | Posted by KBM at 2009-08-23 10:42 AM | Reply | Flag:

In the seventh grade I had to study Mississippi state history because I lived there at the time.
They too had their own versions of history where slaves actually liked being owned and slave owners were decent, kind individuals who cared deeply about the slaves they owned. I think KBM would have liked their version of history better than reality just as he apparently still does.

#3 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-23 10:53 AM | Reply | Flag:

"...anyone on the left even thinking of furthering their agenda."

Show us where it's been done in text books used in public schools, bonehead.

#4 | Posted by Dave at 2009-08-23 10:59 AM | Reply | Flag:

#3 | Posted by danni

Link to your school books or are you spouting so much bullshit again.

If you want to see the lib agenda take a look at California's school books.

#5 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-08-23 12:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, thanks for rolling out the race card again. Typical lib bullshit.

#6 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-08-23 12:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#6 | Posted by chickenrancher
Typical Con bullshit.

#7 | Posted by frankf55 at 2009-08-23 12:17 PM | Reply | Flag:

#7 | Posted by frankf55

Typical lib bullshit.

Danni, how do you know the negros did not like being slaves and that the slave owners were not decent to them?

#8 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-08-23 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

CR--it wouldn't matter if slave owners tucked the slaves in at night with a cookie.

Slaves--having them and using them was wrong in our history.

Textbooks for the last 40 years have leaned to the left.

Maybe they can give all sides.

#9 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-08-23 01:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

Liberals don't make history....they re-write it.

#10 | Posted by KBM at 2009-08-23 01:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Show us where it's been done in text books used in public schools, bonehead.

Are your pretending that each state's textbooks don't reflect the values of that state?

LOL

#11 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 04:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Are your pretending that each state's textbooks don't reflect the values of that state?"

No, they don't. One of the biggest purchasers of textbooks is Texas, which means textbook publishers have had to dumb down their books.

#12 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-23 04:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Textbook Publishers Learn: Avoid Messing With Texas

www.nytimes.com

#13 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-23 04:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

One of the biggest purchasers of textbooks is Texas,

Can California even afford to buy textbooks anymore? Or do the publishers take IOUs?

#14 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 04:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

Or do the publishers take IOUs?

#14 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 04:39 PM | Reply | Flag: Deflection

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-23 04:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

#15 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-23 04:42 PM | Reply | Flag: deflection

#16 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 04:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

Texas would be a great cornerstone for the New Nation of Conservatives. Just watched the Ernie Davis story on HBO where Syracuse played Texas in the 1960 Cotton Bowl. I doubt things have changed much in the hearts and minds of most Texans since then, and if it weren't for Federal law, there would still be separate schools and drinking fountains in the Lone Star State.

Texas was too weak the last time they tried to leave the Union---let's hope they find the balls to try again.

#17 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-08-23 04:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tadowe would make a great Texas Rep.

#18 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-08-23 04:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

...if it weren't for Federal law, there would still be separate schools and drinking fountains in the Lone Star State.

Link?

let's hope they find the balls to try again.

No such luck. The only financially solvent state in the US is going to stay and bail asses like you out whether you like it or not, bOoB. LOL I love my country. Wish you did too, bOoB

#19 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 04:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Texas was too weak the last time they tried to leave the Union---let's hope they find the balls to try again.

#17 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-

NONSENSE from beginning to end...

and les you have forgotten or didnt know

some of the WORST VIOLENCE about busing occured in BOSTON

#20 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-08-23 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Tadowe would make a great Texas Rep.

#18 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009

yeah

as long as he would talk on the phone and plant liars in the town hall meeting and then fly to LA for funeral at tax payers expense..

sure...HEY..we already have one of those assholes..so nevermind...dont need another one..

ALTHOUGH>..TAD...so what would be in it FOR ME if I voted for you???

#21 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-08-23 05:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

some of the WORST VIOLENCE about busing occured in BOSTON

#20 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-08-23 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag:DEFLECTION

Texas is a fuck wad state and should be on their own--I'm sure most texans would afree---aren't they they ones who keep bleating about the 10th amendment and how it gives them the right to secede? I support their movement.

So do their citizens.

www.texasnationalist.com

www.sonofthesouth.net

I'm one of the FEW libs that advocate a separate nation for cons---I join MILLIONS of cons who want the same thing---you DR cons are behind the curve---catch up with your brothers---there really won't be much resistance,

#22 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-08-23 05:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

BBob, if that is the case, why do Liberals here get so upset when they read about Texas seceding?

You'd think Liberals would be encouraging Texa secesionist, but no.

#23 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-08-23 05:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, I hear Texas has lousy football teams, lol!

#24 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-08-23 06:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

Member2586

Who knows--who cares---don't you realize that all liberals are pants pissing cowards afraid of their own shadows? Besides--they are afraid of guns and don't know which end the bullet comes out. How about you--do you stand with the liberals or do you have the balls to stand up with the REAL Texas men and women who seek independence?
I am one of the FEW liberals---AT THE MOMENT--but as the benefits of Texas secession are explained to liberals more fully---I'm sure that they will join in wishing Texas a great future on their own

#25 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-08-23 06:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

AFK, after calling me another of those assholes, begs an answer, "TAD...so what would be in it FOR ME if I voted for you???"

I would promise to prosecute any and all political corruption, and influence the courts to apply the maximum punishment under the law upon any conviction.

Now, I owe you a lefthanded 'compliment' ala JeffJ ...

#26 | Posted by tadowe at 2009-08-23 06:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Good move. They can read fairy tales after school.

#27 | Posted by zulu at 2009-08-23 06:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Afkababble2

There you go--McCain as Pres--Palin VP-or throw Chuck Norris in there someplace---maybe that will be the run off--Norris against McCain---and Taddy as your rep. How can you go wrong---you have the links---join up. At least donate to the cause.

#28 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-08-23 06:13 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, I hear Texas has lousy football teams, lol!

Posted by member2586 at 2009-08-23 06:00 PM

You have some kind of death wish with them there words, boy!!!! LOL

#29 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-08-23 06:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

"BTW, thanks for rolling out the race card again. Typical lib bullshit." CHICKENBRAINED

Slavery isn't a "race card". It is a factual, law driven racist policy. I realize CHICKENBRAINED is far too ignorant to change, but I won't live this blatently racist crap unchallenged. I was speaking with a woman in her early 20's who attended public school in Mississippi. She learned the following "facts" about slavery...

1) Slave owners were actually doing slaves a favor by raising their standard of living.
2) Slavery was a christian thing because it brought savages to Jesus.
3) Blacks preferred slavery and couldn't take care of themselves after being emancipated.

DANNI is speaking the truth about racially motivated textbooks being purchased by the state.

#30 | Posted by AndyB62 at 2009-08-23 06:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

I think that's been the case for a long time. I doubt one high school student in a thousand in the US is taught what tax rates looked like from 1930-1987 compared to the present day. Not many more than that are taught that the US was a famously protectionist country for most of the first 190 years (while we went from backwater colony to moon-landing superpower).

#31 | Posted by lawnchair at 2009-08-23 06:27 PM | Reply | Flag:

BTW, I hear Texas has lousy football teams, lol!

Posted by member2586 at 2009-08-23 06:00 PM

You have some kind of death wish with them there words, boy!!!! LOL

#29 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-08-23 06:16 PM |

He speaks the truth Chrissy.

"Texaco" football is highly overrated. Just ask Mack "The Hack" Brown.

When "Mack" can bitch slap a "Big" ten ( or is it eleven?) team around, you can get back to me.

#32 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-08-23 06:33 PM | Reply | Flag:

He speaks the truth Chrissy.

"Texaco" football is highly overrated. Just ask Mack "The Hack" Brown.

When "Mack" can bitch slap a "Big" ten ( or is it eleven?) team around, you can get back to me.

#32 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009-08-23 06:33 PM

Guess it must be a commercial break now on tv, JT. With all the sports being played on Sundays it's unusual for you to get up from your tv set much before midnight. lol

#33 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-08-23 06:42 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fuck you're an idiot Bob.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-23 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Texas is a fuck wad state and should be on their own--I'm sure most texans would afree---

As usual, wrong again, bOoB. Doesn't it ever get tiring being wrong, or at least a little bit embarrassing?

n Texas, 31% Say State Has Right to Secede From U.S., But 75% Opt To Stay

www.rasmussenreports.com

#35 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 07:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

I'm one of the FEW libs that advocate a separate nation for cons---

It's great watching you cower in fear of conservatives, bOoB. The dems with balls have the courage to stand up and fight them. You want to run from them or have them run from you. What a pussy you are. You are a disgrace to your fellow democrats who fight for what they believe in.

#36 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 07:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

Liberals having writing their version of history and the facts for a long time in classbooks. Conservatives doing the same is no better. The only thing that belongs in our childrens classbooks is the truth based on facts and evidence.

#37 | Posted by buzkiller at 2009-08-23 07:22 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fuck you're an idiot Bob.

Headline:

Idiots Worldwide Boycott the DR After Being Grossly Insulted

#38 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 07:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Liberals having writing their version of history and the facts for a long time in classbooks.

#37 | Posted by buzkiller at 2009-08-23 07:22 PM | Reply | Flag

Link? What have the libs ever changed? You need a country with no libs---then maybe your whiney ass will STFU. Simple isn't it.

#39 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-08-23 07:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Idiots Worldwide Boycott the DR After Being Grossly Insulted

LOL I'm pretty sure the opposite would happen.

The insult is so bad, they'd flock here in droves just to prove they're not one of him.

#40 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-23 07:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

Fuck you're an idiot Bob.

#34 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-23 07:10 PM | Reply | Flag

And you are a dog dildo. But an expensive one.

;-)

#41 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-08-23 07:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

And you are a dog dildo. But an expensive one.

You're God damned right.

One of the best actually.

#42 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-23 07:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

You need a country with no libs---then maybe your whiney ass will STFU.

No, we need libs, just as we need conservatives to maintain a healthy balance of power in this country.

Simple isn't it.

Admittedly it is in your tiny little mind. You actually thing that playing Maxwell's Demon with the masses will make everything peaches and cream.

The world and this country is much, much more complicated than that. More complicated than your itsy bitsy black/white mind could ever possibly begin to understand. Quit trying to. You only set yourself up for ridicule.

#43 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 07:56 PM | Reply | Flag:

Dog dildo?

#44 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 07:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

#8 - Please tell me you're joking. As if slavery could EVER be even partially justified.

Surely you're not really that much of an asshole.

#45 | Posted by cbob at 2009-08-23 08:36 PM | Reply | Flag:

Danni, how do you know the negros did not like being slaves and that the slave owners were not decent to them?

#8 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-08-23 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag

How many fought for the south--how many fought for the north. You belong with Goatman and JPW in the loony bin,they think--just--like--you.

#46 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-08-23 08:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

Why would you put a liberal in a text book when libs belong in a nut house.

#47 | Posted by fwthom at 2009-08-23 09:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

You belong with Goatman and JPW in the loony bin

WTF? I thought I was on "the list" which according to you made me non-existent. Do you often refer to non-existent people and things?

oops. I forgot. Smokestacks on the moon.

Answer is clearly "yes, you do". LOL

#48 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 09:14 PM | Reply | Flag:

Liberals don't make history....they re-write it.

#10 | Posted by KBM

Except it's been the Cons on the wrong side of history pretty much all the time. In fact if the Conservatives of the day had their way, we'd still be part of the British empire and America as we know it would not even exist.

Freedom for America........a Liberal Idea
Freedom for the Slaves.........Liberal Idea
No Child Labor..........Liberal Idea
Votes for Women.............Liberal Idea
Worker Safety, Environmental Protection, 40 Hour Work Week, Public Education, Elimination of Segregation, Democracy.........all Liberal Ideas.

#49 | Posted by TFDNihilist at 2009-08-23 09:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

You belong with Goatman and JPW in the loony bin

LOL

Coming from someone who probably has three seconds of lucid thought a day, I'll take that as a compliment.

#50 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-23 09:19 PM | Reply | Flag:

#49 | Posted by TFDNihilist

And then 1900 rolled around and they all turned into socalists.....Liberal brain fart which affected millions. But then, libs are still the minority.

#51 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-08-23 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

JPW

Join FWTom in that list also. Peas in a pod.

#52 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-08-23 09:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

And then 1900 rolled around and they all turned into socalists.....Liberal brain fart which affected millions. But then, libs are still the minority.

#51 | Posted by Sniper at 2009-08-23 09:45 PM | Reply | Flag

Not quite--they hung around long enough to get women the vote in 1920--repeal the Prohibition laws the cons and Christians forced on everyone---and put through the civil rights laws of the 60's.

How about you explain the bad part of socialism---let the world see your ignorance. Let's hear it loudmouth.

Waiting on you.

;-)

#53 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-08-23 09:51 PM | Reply | Flag:

JPW

Join FWTom in that list also. Peas in a pod.

Oh no. You've done it now. You are on the dreaded list.

bOoB -- do us a favor and publish you list. I don't get to brag much, but I want the DR to see how lucky I and others are. Are you up to 20 or so?

Your list echoes your cowardly life. Just as you want people with opposing ideas to yours to go away to another country, you make your 'list' to try to make us go away.

Eat it, bitch! This country is going to remain unifed and everyone on your list is still going to call you out on your BS -- and have a great time doing it. LOL

#54 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 09:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

The insult is so bad, they'd flock here in droves just to prove they're not one of him.

They already do. How do you think BoOb finds people who agree with him?

#55 | Posted by ZombieHunter at 2009-08-23 09:55 PM | Reply | Flag:

How about you explain the bad part of socialism---

The people who work hard and contribute to society have to give up what they've earned to the lazy do-nothings who don't contribute.

That was easy.

"But, but, but, that's a good thing!"

da bOoB

#56 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

I guess Taxes is just jealous of Alabama's position of stupidest state. Then again, aflac was a Taxes teacher, so we know the standards have always been low...

#57 | Posted by northguy3 at 2009-08-23 09:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

Taxes is

That would be "Taxes are" (third person plural) though I don't understand how a tax could be jealous of anything.

Then again, aflac was a Taxes teacher

Is he a CPA, too?

#58 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 10:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Oh no. You've done it now. You are on the dreaded list.

FINALLY! I was wondering how long Bob would put up with me calling his bullshit bullshit.

When do I get my prize?

#59 | Posted by jpw at 2009-08-23 10:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Danni, how do you know the negros did not like being slaves and that the slave owners were not decent to them?"

Maybe you could read up a little on some of the very creative punishment techniques those wonderful slave owners concocted and then get back to me on that you ignorant POS.

#60 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-23 10:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

When do I get my prize?

Being on the list is your prize. Can you think of anything better?

#61 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 10:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

Freedom for America........a Liberal Idea
Freedom for the Slaves.........Liberal Idea
No Child Labor..........Liberal Idea
Votes for Women.............Liberal Idea
Social Security.........Liberal Idea
Medicare.........liberal Idea

Eventually, even the stupidest among us will ask the obvious question, what has conservative America ever brought to us????

Have they expanded rights???
Have they made life better for average Americans????

What good have they ever done for us???

Besides standing in the way of progress????

#62 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-23 10:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

#49 | Posted by TFDNihilist

Freedom for America--Revolutionists--half of America for and the other half not caring.

Freedom for the Slaves--totally Republican--ever hear of Lincoln or the abolitionists?

No child labor--doubt it was a 'liberal' idea

Women's Vote--Women's Idea

The rest of your list is due mainly to unions, the gov't and blacks.

Democracy--we live in a Republic--if we can keep it...

#63 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-08-23 10:11 PM | Reply | Flag:

Yes--conservatives have done a great deal for this country--ever hear of Teddy Roosevelt?

We stand for liberty and small gov't and get the hell out of our pockets.

This creates freedom--for folks to do more with their money and their property--which is their money.

But every turn comes the statist to use the gov't as a sledge hammer to take more and more away from folks--taking their freedom and their liberty with every program they create.

#64 | Posted by MURPHY at 2009-08-23 10:15 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Yes--conservatives have done a great deal for this country--ever hear of Teddy Roosevelt?"

Sure have, he was known as the trust buster, he broke up monopolies, we could sure use him today....but conservatives would oppose his efforts.
Teddy Roosevelt was not a "conservative" in the sense that the right is today, he would spit on the rigtht of today.
Bully!

#65 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-23 10:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"The rest of your list is due mainly to unions, the gov't and blacks."

Do not ever try to pretend you aren't a racist on this blog again.

#66 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-23 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But every turn comes the statist to use the gov't as a sledge hammer to take more and more away from folks--taking their freedom and their liberty with every program they create."

Tell us, you ignorant bitch, what right have you lost????

#67 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-23 10:23 PM | Reply | Flag:

Teddy would be called a socialist by today's wingnuts!

Check out his trust busting, his 'square deal' and his support of unions!

(if you stupid wingnuts dare)

#68 | Posted by Mista Kurtz at 2009-08-23 10:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Teddy would be called a socialist by today's wingnuts!

Killer who leaves the scene of an accident and allows someone to drown is close enough and accurate enough of a description of him for me. That pretty much says all you need to know about the integrity of the man.

#69 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 10:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Hmm danni's heading:

but nothing about liberals or liberal groups under newly drafted standards for public school history textbooks

Vs. the article:

but nothing about liberals under the first draft of new standards for public school history textbooks

Interesting rewording but it's funny that certain folks took it to heart without reading the article which contains other qualifiers which seem to cast doubt on whether the conjecture that the exclusion of liberals will even see the light of day in the end.

#70 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2009-08-23 10:37 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Freedom for the Slaves--totally Republican--ever hear of Lincoln or the abolitionists?"

The Republican party was the liberal party at that time, Murphy. Nice try, partisan hack.

#71 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-23 10:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you trollin' goatboy or do you really confuse Kennedy with Roosevelt?

#72 | Posted by Mista Kurtz at 2009-08-23 10:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Republican party was the liberal party at that time, Murphy. Nice try, partisan hack.
#71 | Posted by nullifidian

A self retorting tort.....

#73 | Posted by AndreaMackris at 2009-08-23 10:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Are you trollin' goatboy or do you really confuse Kennedy with Roosevelt?

I did on this thread. Kennedy is such an awful person void of integrity, that when I hear the name Teddy, my mind jumps to the infamous, not "day in infamy".

My bad.

#74 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 10:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

"A self retorting tort....."

Could we retire this Drudge cliche already?

No, Andrea, Murphy's the one obsessed with party labels. It was liberal ideology that was opposed to slavery. What particular political party it resided in over a century and a half ago is the obsession of partisan hacks like Murphy, Tadowe, Andrea, etc.

#75 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-23 11:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

Could we retire this Drudge cliche already?

It would piss hans off. He liked to brag how he was the one who coined the term.

#76 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 11:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

"We stand for liberty and small gov't and get the hell out of our pockets." MURPHY

Hilarious!!

#77 | Posted by AndyB62 at 2009-08-23 11:06 PM | Reply | Flag:

Who cares!

It's not like many of them could actually read the textbooks even if they wanted to.

God Fuck Texas!

#78 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-08-23 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

It's not like many of them could actually read the textbooks even if they wanted to.

Yea? Well people in your state can't read, either. So there. Neener, neener, neener

#79 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 11:25 PM | Reply | Flag:

some of the WORST VIOLENCE about busing occured in BOSTON

#20 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-08-23 05:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

Flute Puffer, got a link that proves it was the 'WORST VIOLENCE'?

To all who may not know, AFK, formally BL2, is a flute teacher. No gay innuendo at all.

I still find it funny that he once claimed "Those who can, do.......those who can't, teach" in regards to 'Lib' professors. Guess he can't.

#80 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-08-23 11:32 PM | Reply | Flag:

Flute Puffer, got a link that proves it was the 'WORST VIOLENCE'?

I can't think of any other busing incidents that ended in fatalities, so I would have to say AFK is right.

There were a number of protest incidents that turned severely violent, even resulting in deaths.

en.wikipedia.org

#81 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 11:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

JPW

You weren't on the list--but your happiness at the prospect has put you there. It isn't too hard to be put on the list---all you have to do is ask or be incredibly rude or stupid. You do qualify on all counts. Anyone else?

#82 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-08-23 11:44 PM | Reply | Flag:

It isn't too hard to be put on the list---all you have to do is ask or be incredibly rude or stupid.

Which explains why talking to yourself is the one trait that most crazy people possess but you don't. I was wondering why that was.

#83 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-23 11:49 PM | Reply | Flag:

Freedom is a liberal concept. Freedom has never been a conservative concept.

#84 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-08-23 11:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Freedom is a liberal concept. Freedom has never been a conservative concept.

Link?

Yep, we never had any freedom when conservatives are in power. *snark* Please share some more of your delusions with us, bOoB. It's kind of a slow night and I am mildly entertained seeing what goes on in the mind of a mentally ill person.

#85 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-24 12:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

JPW

You weren't on the list -- but your happiness at the prospect has put you there. It isn't too hard to be put on my list of "people to ignore" -- all you have to do is ask or be incredibly rude or stupid. You do qualify on all counts. Anyone else?

#82 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-08-23 11:44 PM/ FLAG: Clueless everyone is already on his list.

#86 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-08-24 12:28 AM | Reply | Flag:

No such luck. The only financially solvent state in the US is going to stay and bail asses like you out whether you like it or not, bOoB. LOL I love my country. Wish you did too, bOoB

#19 | Posted by goatman

Yeah, the state that gave us LBJ and GW BUSH and Enron is going to be the cornerstone of America. The only reason they are solvent is GAS.

Tejas needs to secede and this is from a native born southerner.

#87 | Posted by Legio at 2009-08-24 12:54 AM | Reply | Flag:

Tejas needs to secede and this is from a native born southerner.

Well, we can't, so we Texans just get to sit around and laugh at how miserable we make you without even trying. LOL

Some people need a life.

#88 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-24 12:57 AM | Reply | Flag:

Teddy Roosevelt was not a "conservative" in the sense that the right is today, he would spit on the rigtht of today.
Bully!

#65 | Posted by danni

He would have been called a RINO, and the Founding fathers were as liberal as they come despite the blatant stupidity being vomited by Murphy. Murphy would have been a supporter of the King George and not rock the boat.

The party of Lincoln flip flopped into a mutation of something that always says no, calls people lazy and socialist and wants the benefits that the greater society gives them without wanting to contribute. They are the guy always bumming cigarettes, asking for a dollar and never paying it back and letting others do the heavy lifting..

#89 | Posted by Legio at 2009-08-24 01:05 AM | Reply | Flag:

Well, we can't, so we Texans just get to sit around and laugh at how miserable we make you without even trying. LOL

Some people need a life.

#88 | Posted by goatman

You don't make me miserable you make me laugh..

#90 | Posted by Legio at 2009-08-24 01:06 AM | Reply | Flag:

You don't make me miserable you make me laugh..

Laughter is good . . .

#91 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-24 01:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

From what I've read Texas has been getting bluer and bluer, especially with the growing percentage of Hispanic citizens.

#92 | Posted by Timex at 2009-08-24 02:23 AM | Reply | Flag:

is KB and CR the same troll? (CR is obviously a troll, why feed it.)

in 3... 2...

#93 | Posted by ichiro at 2009-08-24 02:33 AM | Reply | Flag:

#5 | POSTED BY CHICKENRANCHER
"Link to your school books"

CR, did you honestly just ask Danni to link a 7th grade history textbook? And then insinuate she was lying if she couldn't provide said link? Please....

Oops. Sorry, Ichiro. I just didn't listen.

#94 | Posted by TheTom at 2009-08-24 04:11 AM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, the founding fathers would be considered terrorists by Palin, Rush, Beck...

#95 | Posted by AndyB62 at 2009-08-24 08:31 AM | Reply | Flag:

Even though Afka is a partisan hack, he's right about Boston's anti-busing violence being among the worst. I live in Louisville, where South meets North. We had our own troubles when a federal court ordered the school system desegregated in 1975, but the violence here wasn't as bad as it was the year before in Boston. The two school systems were about equal in size.
en.wikipedia.org

The point is, racism can exist anywhere. All this stuff about Texas having some sort of lock on stupidity is really quite pointless.

#96 | Posted by cbob at 2009-08-24 09:02 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Danni, how do you know the negros did not like being slaves and that the slave owners were not decent to them?"

I just thought Chickenrancher's post needs to be repeated and remembered whenever anyone thinks of him. Any comment he ever makes will be considered with this post in mind as to how he actually thinks.
If he ever has the gall to pretend he isn't a racist, this post will remain in my mind to disprove that lie.

#97 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-24 09:04 AM | Reply | Flag:

Thanks for that, Danni. He's definitely a true-blue p.o.s.

#98 | Posted by Doc_Sarvis at 2009-08-24 09:07 AM | Reply | Flag:

Can we please let Texas secede?

(reads the following in his
best Stewie voice from Family Guy)...

Can we like um....shove all the
Neo-con-ultra-fundy-baptists there?
uuum...can we?

Can we, can we, like, shove all of the
Flat-earther-Jaaaaysus-nuts in that state,
and that state alone? hmm?? Can we, can we?

Can we like shove all the
ultra-machine gun toting, Global warming
denying, as stupid as we wanna be,
double-wide trailor court living riff raff
there and be done with it? Hmm? Yes?
Maybe, maybe? Hmm? Can we?

Can we, like, rename Texas, Dumbassia,
and like, let them teach their kids to
be as stupid as the parents want them
to be, and deny Darwin, and deny evolution,
and insist that the world is only like
4000 years old, and like, G.Dumbya was
a great oil loving President, and like,
Dick Cheney was as right as rain and stuff,
and like...hmmm?? Can we? hmmm?? huh?
Whatdoyousay Brian??

Texas...been there, sweated there, smelled that...
you can have it...

oh yeah, and Chuck Norris for President
of Dumbassia!!

#99 | Posted by earthmuse at 2009-08-24 09:14 AM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, the founding fathers would be considered terrorists by Palin, Rush, Beck...

#95 | Posted by AndyB62

absolutely.

#100 | Posted by Legio at 2009-08-24 10:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

Actually, the founding fathers would be considered terrorists by Palin, Rush, Beck...

#95 | Posted by AndyB62

To the victor go the spoils of war. Histor is written by the winners.

#101 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-08-24 10:43 AM | Reply | Flag:

"Danni, how do you know the negros did not like being slaves and that the slave owners were not decent to them?"

Would you give up your freedom if someone promised to treat you very nicely? Even if they were treated nicely by some owners (probably an exception to the rule) they were still slaves.

But the problem is precisely that, many people are willing to trade freedom in order to get "benefits" from the government and thus become dependent on government.

I hope you think before you write. I am sure you were trying to make a joke, but come on, use your head a little.

#102 | Posted by member2586 at 2009-08-24 10:46 AM | Reply | Flag:

Don't misinterpret my last post to mean I think Texas would be anything other than idiotic to press conservative-only textbook standards. Cheers to Terri Leo, the Republican school board member who was willing to say the standards were inappropriate. Ken Mercer, another conservative, also sounds pretty reasonable.

Education should be about exposing people to all the facts and as broad an array of viewpoints as possible, left, right and in between. I fear no opinions. Nor should educators.

#103 | Posted by cbob at 2009-08-24 10:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hallalujah

#104 | Posted by ewendels at 2009-08-24 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

Hallalujah

#105 | Posted by ewendels at 2009-08-24 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

When "Mack" can bitch slap a "Big" ten ( or is it eleven?) team around, you can get back to me.

#32 | Posted by jerrytarkanian at 2009

ohio state always seemed to have a problem with them...

and I guess you dont consider USC as being all that good either when the longhorns schooled them

aw well..this is just a deflecton anyway..

#106 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-08-24 11:15 AM | Reply | Flag:

but of course there are things you just happend to forget about

FOUR YEARS OF jimmy carter...

killing of innocent life in the womb

NINE TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT....

take over of banks

take over of auto industry

and none of this even starts into legalizing drugs..

and hows that liberal idea of a 'great society' work out for you...I mean the count now is up to how many billion or trillion...SO I guess it eradicarted hunger..RIGHT????

#107 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-08-24 11:18 AM | Reply | Flag:

THis is great news actually. Those who don't learn history are doomed to repeat it. By Texas not teaching about Liberals, they are all but guaranteeing a future generation of Liberals being born in Texas.

#108 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-08-24 11:20 AM | Reply | Flag:

Flute Puffer, got a link that proves it was the 'WORST VIOLENCE'?

To all who may not know, AFK, formally BL2, is a flute teacher. No gay innuendo at all.

I still find it funny that he once claimed "Those who can, do.......those who can't, teach" in regards to 'Lib' professors. Guess he can't.

#80 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-08-2

but IM right because I was around then...but dont worry about the facts..

and if you are going to use that little line...use the entire one
those who can..do
those who cant...teach
and those who cant teach...teach gym

#109 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-08-24 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

What is this shit about freeing the slaves being a liberal idea? It may be liberal in concept but the southern democrats sure as hell fought against freeing slaves. It was republicans who got it done, Idiots.

#110 | Posted by everlong at 2009-08-24 12:26 PM | Reply | Flag:

NINE TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT....

#107 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-08-24 11:18 AM

um...sorry but most of that debt was
created while Republicans held the Presidency...

and if u include the mess that G.W. handed to
Obama....almost all of it was...

but then again I don't expect you to be
either "fair or balanced"...

fyi..

www.lafn.org

read it and weep afkabl2...

p.s. G.Dubya--not shown--but set new records in debt. If you include his and Republican Supplied
Side Economic mess for tearing down Wall Street,
and leading to the Banking Sector Crisis and all
these Bailouts...which was brought to us by G.Dub
and the Republicans thank you...then like 80-90% of the National Debt was caused with Republican Presidents in the White House...

go ahead....give the chart a good long look...

#111 | Posted by earthmuse at 2009-08-24 12:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

I just keep hopin' the Mexicans will take Texas Back. Fuck the Succession Movement! Who needs the people of Texas. They been a boil on the ass of america long enough. Time to pick it off.

Just do away with all them right-wingnut christian gun-totin' clueless CON-servatives and lets get TexASS back to doing what it does best: Provide cactus waters for mexican tequilla.

#112 | Posted by DUMPLING1 at 2009-08-24 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Danni, how do you know the negros did not like being slaves and that the slave owners were not decent to them?

#8 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-08-23 12:21 PM

lol...truly inspiring the way you turned the tables there...ignoring all logic, common sense, reality, history, personal reflection, and everything you should know to be true...all to try and belittle an anonymous internet commenter. Wow.

#113 | Posted by kevin23 at 2009-08-24 01:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

How about you explain the bad part of socialism---let the world see your ignorance. Let's hear it loudmouth.

Waiting on you.

;-)

#53 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2009-08-23 09:51 PM | Reply |

Hes been there done that, to pick on him any further would just be cruel.

#114 | Posted by KnightHawk at 2009-08-24 02:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

I just keep hopin' the Mexicans will take Texas Back. Fuck the Succession Movement! Who needs the people of Texas. They been a boil on the ass of america long enough. Time to pick it off.

#112 | Posted by DUMPLING1

Just curious - which states meet your requirements for inclusion in America? Go back to your face in the pillow position - the rest of us will appreciate it. And stay out of Texas. We like rugged individualists, not some goose stepping liberals to tell us what to think.

#115 | Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2009-08-24 02:05 PM | Reply | Flag:

but IM right because I was around then...but dont worry about the facts..

and if you are going to use that little line...use the entire one
those who can..do
those who cant...teach
and those who cant teach...teach gym

#109 | Posted by afkabl2 at 2009-08-24 11:21 AM | Reply | Flag:

Don't worry about facts? Sorry Flutey but I like facts. Lot's of them. So, I'm simply to believe that just because you were alive that you have the facts straight? HA! Sorry if I call bullshit on you.

p.s. you don't teach gym. toot toot!

#116 | Posted by COMMONSENSE at 2009-08-24 02:18 PM | Reply | Flag:

Great, just great.

"A Country of Sara Huckabees!"

Jesus Fucking Mother of Mary Christ that would fucking suck.

#117 | Posted by Manypaths at 2009-08-24 02:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

The Republican party was the liberal party at that time,
#71 | Posted by nullifidian aka BBob

Ever-shifting of labels to assign the best acts in history to his side and the worst to their side.

#118 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-08-24 03:35 PM | Reply | Flag:

"but of course there are things you just happend to forget about
FOUR YEARS OF jimmy carter...
killing of innocent life in the womb
NINE TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT....
take over of banks
take over of auto industry
and none of this even starts into legalizing drugs..
and hows that liberal idea of a 'great society' work out for you...I mean the count now is up to how many billion or trillion...SO I guess it eradicarted hunger..RIGHT????"

Why are you out here lying again? Come on teacher, if you remember, Ronnie RAYGUN started the whole bailout thing with Chrysler....and yes you were around then. 90% of this nations national debt has occurred under conservative presidents, Bush bailed out the banks first slick willie, and the right complains about abortion but is all fine with captiol punishment(no thing as pro-lifer/death penalty supporter). Facts are facts....

#119 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel at 2009-08-24 04:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Ever-shifting of labels to assign the best acts in history to his side and the worst to their side."

And yet, he is correct. As any historian of American politics will attest.

#120 | Posted by AILtd at 2009-08-24 04:12 PM | Reply | Flag:

And yet, he is correct. As any historian of American politics will attest.

#120 | Posted by AILtd

In this particular instance, I can see it - "preserving" the union (state) and all.

However, the founders were liberals, but their brand of liberalism much more closely represented modern-day libertarianism than the vast-central power advocacies of the modern-day "liberal". Which is precisely why I find it humorous when modern-liberals get the warm-fuzzies over Jefferson quotes. Hell, Adams was closer to their views regarding the role of government, but even he was light-years away from what our government has become.

#121 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-08-24 04:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

"However, the founders were liberals, but their brand of liberalism much more closely represented modern-day libertarianism ..." - JeffJ

Nope, definitively disagree. Even though they knew (it was obvious) that North America of those days was made for "rugged individualism", they very much understood that an effective government was necessary for the survival of this country. They also knew that at some point a limit would be reached and the U.S. would become like Europe - filled up with limited opportunity. And would then survive only to the extent it worked as a functioning society.

What I find most funny is how views of the U.S. of the 18th century are applied to the vastly different U.S. of the 21st century.

The visionaries among the founders knew that the best they could do would be to create a basis for a "democratic" government. But they also knew that it would need to adapt to changing times and situations.

#122 | Posted by AILtd at 2009-08-24 04:46 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Which is precisely why I find it humorous when modern-liberals get the warm-fuzzies over Jefferson quotes."

You mean like these?

... legislators cannot invent too many devices for subdividing property... Another means of silently lessening the inequality of property is to exempt all from taxation below a certain point, and to tax the higher portions or property in geometrical progression as they rise. Whenever there are in any country uncultivated lands and unemployed poor, it is clear that the laws of property have been so far extended as to violate natural right.
Thomas Jefferson (in a letter to James Madison), 1785

While it is a moot question whether the origin of any kind of property is derived from Nature at all ... it is considered by those who have seriously considered the subject, that no one has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land ... Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society.
Thomas Jefferson

#123 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-24 05:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

#1 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-23 08:43 AM | Reply | Flag moron floridian!

#124 | Posted by reinsurelaw at 2009-08-24 05:57 PM | Reply | Flag:

We prefer the term "Floridiots" if you don't mind.

#125 | Posted by kanrei at 2009-08-24 05:58 PM | Reply | Flag:

Here are a few Thomas Jefferson quotes that I have always enjoyed:

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

Was the government to prescribe to us our medicine and diet, our bodies would be in such keeping as our souls are now.

I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." (Quoting Cesare Beccaria)

#126 | Posted by boojiboy at 2009-08-24 06:31 PM | Reply | Flag:

#123 | Posted by nullifidian

You can cherry-pick quotes all you want.

I could probably cherry-pick something from Engels and make him sound like a capitalist.

Our founders had an inherent mistrust of government. This is precisely why they devised a system of checks and balances in order to limit its power. This is why they preferred an especially limited de-centralized government where local issues were handled at a state and municipality level.

Spin it any way you want, but history quite clearly shows our founders to be far closer to modern libertarianism than modern liberalism.

#127 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-08-24 07:09 PM | Reply | Flag:

"killing of innocent life in the womb" AFLAK

Republican women never choose abortion I suppose.

#128 | Posted by AndyB62 at 2009-08-24 07:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

"but history quite clearly shows our founders to be far closer to modern libertarianism than modern liberalism."

Only in the sense that some of them were propertarians who were more interested in the rights of property-owners than democracy.

#129 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-24 07:24 PM | Reply | Flag:

for those that missed my post above...
here's the link again. Just something to
think about from solely a Fiscal Point of View...

Republicans Act like the party of Fiscal Responsibility...but what has been their record?

www.lafn.org

#130 | Posted by earthmuse at 2009-08-24 09:40 PM | Reply | Flag:

Does anyone besides me think that BOob is slightly retarded?

#131 | Posted by sickoflibs at 2009-08-25 12:09 AM | Reply | Flag:

Does anyone besides me think that BOob is slightly retarded?

I'm not convinced he's retarded more like the weird kid in grade school who ate dog poop at recess in order to be noticed. Nothing massive amounts of primo psychedelics wouldn't put a dent in so he could be passably coherent.

#132 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2009-08-25 12:44 AM | Reply | Flag:

#132

That.post reminded me of a kid I knew who would eat paste.

Yuck!

#133 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-08-25 12:49 AM | Reply | Flag:

Lisa -- did you see that funny story I left for you on the dog eating thread/

#134 | Posted by goatman at 2009-08-25 12:52 AM | Reply | Flag:

No I didn't but I'll go look now.

#135 | Posted by Lisa at 2009-08-25 12:55 AM | Reply | Flag:

That.post reminded me of a kid I knew who would eat paste.

"A" kid? What kinda kid doesn't eat paste in 1st grade?

Be careful before you answer Lisa your already prissy reputation can hardly stand another blow.

#136 | Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch at 2009-08-25 01:08 AM | Reply | Flag:

and the right complains about abortion but is all fine with captiol punishment(no thing as pro-lifer/death penalty supporter). Facts are facts....

#119 | Posted by Liberal_Mongrel
---------------
and the left complains about the death penalty while endorsing the killing of innocence. Facts are facts.

Lonnie

#137 | Posted by lwalk17 at 2009-08-25 02:40 AM | Reply | Flag:

Danni, how do you know the negros did not like being slaves and that the slave owners were not decent to them?

#8 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-08-23 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Sorry, but you have officially qualified as the DR fucking retard.

#138 | Posted by panchovilla at 2009-08-25 11:12 AM | Reply | Flag:

"You are on the dreaded list."

There's a list?
Bob seems to like making lists.

#139 | Posted by TheTom at 2009-08-25 01:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

Only in the sense that some of them were propertarians who were more interested in the rights of property-owners than democracy

They were interested in property rights because property ownership is part and parcel with liberty and freedom.

Property rights and Democracy are not mutually exclusive concepts; not in the least.

#140 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-08-25 02:45 PM | Reply | Flag:

"They were interested in property rights because property ownership is part and parcel with liberty and freedom."

So renters need not apply? That's a hell of a lot of people.

#141 | Posted by AILtd at 2009-08-25 03:02 PM | Reply | Flag:

So renters need not apply?

What?

You are WAY out on left-field with that one.

#142 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-08-25 03:04 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ail,

To clarify - the ability to own property, as opposed to having ALL property be owned by the state, was my point regarding freedom and liberty.

#143 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-08-25 03:07 PM | Reply | Flag:

"To clarify - the ability to own property, as opposed to having ALL property be owned by the state, was my point regarding freedom and liberty."

And my point was that the concern over property in a world where so much of it does _not_ own property is to ignore that part. And thus to ignore the reality of today.

BTW, aside from communism and absolute monarchs, nobody advocates that the government own _all_ property. Don't know who you are debating with in that statement.

#144 | Posted by AILtd at 2009-08-25 03:30 PM | Reply | Flag:

#144 | Posted by AILtd

Allow me to rephrase:

A fundamental aspect to liberty and freedom is the right to own property without the possibility (except for extremely rare E.D. cases AND in which the owner is fairly compensated) of the state coming and and taking it away.

And my point was that the concern over property in a world where so much of it does _not_ own property is to ignore that part. And thus to ignore the reality of today.

Which has nothing to do with the fact that for those who DO own property, the right to do so without having it confiscated by the state is fundamental to freedom and liberty.

#145 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-08-25 03:38 PM | Reply | Flag:

"and the left complains about the death penalty while endorsing the killing of innocence. Facts are facts."

We did not kill "innoncence!"

I think it was Elvis or Mick Jagger.

#146 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-25 03:39 PM | Reply | Flag:

"Which has nothing to do with the fact that for those who DO own property, the right to do so without having it confiscated by the state is fundamental to freedom and liberty."

But you can still have property rights but not freedom and liberty. Banana republics in S. America were famous for it, slavery was the epitome of it.

#147 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-25 03:41 PM | Reply | Flag:

But you can still have property rights but not freedom and liberty.

True.

But you can't have freedom and liberty WITHOUT property rights.

#148 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-08-25 03:47 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But you can't have freedom and liberty WITHOUT property rights."

Depends on how you define property rights. A person's personal property, home, car, etc., is not the same as the ownership of capital and natural resources, much of which is inherited wealth. There is nothing incompatible with land and resources being held in common and "freedom and liberty".

#149 | Posted by nullifidian at 2009-08-25 03:52 PM | Reply | Flag:

#145 | Posted by JeffJ

As I pointed out in my #144 post, that's not happening, nor is it a viable possibility. Thus, not an issue.

#150 | Posted by AILtd at 2009-08-25 03:54 PM | Reply | Flag:

Although I doubt there will be any info on Texas textbooks, I plan to watch the "History International" channel on cable tv tonight. They're showing a 2-hour special described as follows:

Texas: Big America

This 2-hour, high-definition special takes viewers on a journey through the captivating history of Texas in a story that spans two centuries and features tall Texan characters--cowboys, oil tycoons, outlaws, even U.S. Presidents.

From the early 19th century, when Stephen Austin led settlers into a sprawling land controlled by Mexico, to 1948, when New England native George H.W. Bush arrived in Odessa to make his name, we follow the enormous struggles throughout the rich history of the Lone Star State.

Sounds like it would be an interesting show to watch, but then I'm a history buff. If anyone else wants to watch it be sure and check for your correct time zone at the top of the page. For PST it's 9 p.m. - 11:00 p.m. and Central Time is 7 p.m. to 9 p.m.

#151 | Posted by CalifChris at 2009-08-25 04:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

"But you can't have freedom and liberty WITHOUT property rights."

Those who rent have no property but they are still free, therefore I suggest you can have freedom and liberty without property rights. Property rights are a concept that we take for granted but our society could easily have followed a different path, more like Native American who didn't necessarily "own" property. I'm not suggesting it as a model but in a pure socialist utopia there could be freedom without property rights theoretically though realistically we are pretty certain it would be a failure.

#152 | Posted by danni at 2009-08-25 05:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Those who rent have no property but they are still free

What I am saying is that if you deny property rights, freedom can not exist.

While some are quite content to rent, some wish to own property. Without property rights, the renters may still be free because their wishes are not infringed upon, but would-be property owners are NOT free.

#153 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-08-25 05:20 PM | Reply | Flag:

#149 | Posted by nullifidian

You raise a very good point, a point where the waters become muddy.

I guess it comes down to specifics.

I'll offer a couple of my own:

1. If an individual or corporation purchases/owns land that is subsequently developed, cultivated and bears considerable fruit in terms of natural or shared (sic) resources, then they own that property and all of the fruits it bears.

2. The waters muddy when it comes to inheritance. Personally, I think inheritance should be treated as income and subject to the exact same income laws that already exist on the books.

3. If a government sells land which later turns out to be far more lucrative than said government anticipated, they do not have the right to appropriate said land under the cloak of 'the greater good'.

#154 | Posted by JeffJ at 2009-08-25 06:00 PM | Reply | Flag:

JeffJ and crew.. enjoying the discussion here. I am waiting for one of the other turds to Fly in and Seagull the whole discussion with a butt nugget of wisdom anytime now.

#155 | Posted by Legio at 2009-08-25 09:03 PM | Reply | Flag:

Any 'textbook' that "excludes" is not a textbook. It is propaganda. As such it is a cowardly act, it has no honor and thus, it will abuse children.

#156 | Posted by Che_Ernesto at 2009-08-25 09:10 PM | Reply | Flag:

Danni, how do you know the negros did not like being slaves and that the slave owners were not decent to them?

#8 | Posted by chickenrancher at 2009-08-23 12:21 PM | Reply | Flag:

Ah, the good ole days, back when everyone knew their place, back before all that liberal shit and the Civil Rights Act; back before the 'War Between the States' and all that social engineering of the 14th Amendment....

#157 | Posted by BetelG at 2009-08-25 10:16 PM | Reply | Flag:

Texas textbooks will do the nation good.... I have in-laws there....

#158 | Posted by takitez at 2009-08-25 11:21 PM | Reply | Flag: