Pakistan is a terrorist haven. It is about time we start attacking the terrorist where they are actually coming from.

Bush fucked up. Obama will fix it.

"...Obama will fix it..."

Truer words were never spoken!

Ally, SCHmally, attact Pakistan now!

GO8ama!

Be Well.

And John McBush sings bomb, bomb, bomb, let's bomb Iran....does he ever get anything right???

Hmm...I wonder what shenanigans the CIA are in now?

Pakistan is its own curse --- playing hot and cold with terrorists. That's what you get for doublemindedness.

Pakistan and Afghanistan will always be plagued with terrorists.

Yes, Obama will fix it! Extremist Muslims in Pakistan will listen to the extremist Muslim American President who masquerades as a Christian.

Obama will fix it.

#1 | Posted by ak_patel at 2008-10-15 08:45 AM | Reply

Just like he fixed ________ and ___________. Hell, just look at his track record in foriegn policy decisions such as ___________, ___________, ______________, and ___________.

If that doesn't earn your blind allegiance and sycophantic trust in the man, then surely ________ and ______________ will.
Sincerely,
The Obama Cult

you guys wanted bhutto back in pakistan

now you got gotti i mean zardari

this was going to happen.

obama will not attack pakistan

mccain will not attack pakistan

obama is not a extremist muslim in christian clothing
thats f'n stupid

what might happen is pakistan and/or the us will start bombing waziristan which is technically pakistan but has no pakistani infrastructure or police presence

kind of like the wild west but in the east.

i am a full out obama supporter
but i am sure that regardless of the election

both candidates will do a much better job then bush with making nice nice with the pakistani military leadership.

i implore both to go directly to the top generals and avoid zardari if you want to get anything done.

the military and the country hates him.

and no he was not elected. parliment elected the PPP party as the majority, for which he self elected himself as leader and thus became president.

"Obama will fix it."

#1 | Posted by ak_patel

And how will O do that? Order a a full-scale invasion (at the cost of how many 10s of billions of dollars and how many more soldiers thrown onto the pyre of US hegemony) of yet another sovereign nation based on the rather nebulous charge of fighting terrorism? Talk about throwing more gas on an already fiercely burning fire.

"It is about time we start attacking the terrorist where they are actually coming from."

Based on that statement, the US should have invaded Saudi Arabia after 9-11 as that was from where the majority of the hijackers originated. Note that there were no Iraqis or Iranians, yet the US knocked Iraq back into the Stone Age and has been rattling its saber at Iran ever since.

Point being, despite the never-ending rhetoric from the current administration and the yappings from the presidential wanna-bes, the War on Terrorism can never, ever be won. Terrorism is not about nations, but extreme ideologies being practiced by a few. That is precisely why, though the US won the battle(s) in Iraq and Afghanistan, the US will never win The War.

I heard that Klifferd is a muslim extremist!

FACT!

yea james

i hear you suck dick for coke

fact

Well Kliffy, sorry about your obsession with that stuff. Say, what is your sleeper cell's
code word?

Is there an Obama supporter out there that simply cringes everytime he reads the posts of people like AK, AU, Starvis, etc that seem to think Obama is superman?
Even if he turns out to be a decent president he'll fall far short of even the most basic expectations set by his sycophants.
In all honesty, the allegiance most of the people on this site show him is child-like.

101:

Funny. I never see you criticize McCain.

Just because I do not insult Obama, does not mean he is perfect.

He just has less faults than McCain/Palin.

If that seems child like...how do you explain your unshakable Faith to Bush?? When will you admit that your faith is less than child-like, since you choose to ignore the most basic facts?

Why is Pakistan our responsibility. China, India, Indonesia, many other nations are in their neighborhood and will deal with them if we mind our own business. Today Russia has more influence and friends in S. America than we do, that should tell us that our foreign policy needs to be more involved in our own hemisphere and less on the other side of the planet.

If that seems child like...how do you explain your unshakable Faith to Bush?? When will you admit that your faith is less than child-like, since you choose to ignore the most basic facts?

#14 | Posted by ak_patel at 2008-10-15 09:34 AM | Reply

Perhaps you could explain my unshakable faith in Bush to me. Start by giving me an example...

If you haven't seen me criticize McCain you haven't been paying attention. I've stated numerous times (going back to before the primaries) that I would never vote for him. Nothing has changed. I'd rather Republicans lose the election, and lose it badly, than elect another wishy washy republican lite and tarnish the party for decades.

Until the Repubs get a good candidate, the Dems will be able to run soup cans like Obama and win. A weak repub lets an equally weak Dem get in office anytime, and vice versa.

Just like he fixed ________ and ___________. Hell, just look at his track record in foriegn policy decisions such as ___________, ___________, ______________, and ___________.

If that doesn't earn your blind allegiance and sycophantic trust in the man, then surely ________ and ______________ will.
Sincerely,
The Bush/McCain Cult

Name one place that the Bush foreign policy has actually succeeded.
Can anyone actually say the world is safer today than when he took office???
Obama will at least begin his presidency with good relationships with other foreign leaders, no thanks to George Bush.

Name one place that the Bush foreign policy has actually succeeded.
Can anyone actually say the world is safer today than when he took office???
Obama will at least begin his presidency with good relationships with other foreign leaders, no thanks to George Bush.

#17 | Posted by danni at 2008-10-15 09:39 AM | Reply

Dummi,
What does Bush have to do with this besides being the most obvious deflection ever?

You're a simpleton.

By "this" I meant my Obama Sycophant template.

101, I cringe when you use big words like "sycophants", and I hope you don't consider me part of that group.

says a soon-to-be completed U.S. intelligence assessment.

Help help!!! US "Intelligence" sez I am drowning!

US Intelligence = the guys who have always been wrong about everything. LOL

But I guess you gotta work with what you have.

What does Bush have to do with this besides being the most obvious deflection ever?

Because she has bought into the Lib template that any and every Repub candidate = G.W.

One more time: Bush isn't running for president. But if hatred for Bush can be projected on any and every Repub, then any and all Democratic conventions will be about un-electing Bush.

I wonder if the 2012 Democratic presidential primaries will be about rejecting G.W.?

No doubt it will, cuz Bush hatred is the chief motivator behind all Democrat politics.

101, I cringe when you use big words like "sycophants", and I hope you don't consider me part of that group.

#20 | Posted by taxman at 2008-10-15 09:51 AM | Reply

I don't, and in fact I almost made a qualifier for you (no kidding).

"What does Bush have to do with this besides being the most obvious deflection ever?"

I thought Bush was in charge of American foreign policy for the past 8 years, silly me.

"No doubt it will, cuz Bush hatred is the chief motivator behind all Democrat politics."

Yeah it has nothing to do with the unnecessary wars he has gotten us into or the failing economy he has created or the debt he will leave. I think that all you guys have left is to pretend we hate Bush just because of his last name and not because of what he has done. Funny thing though, his father, though probably equally evil is not nearly as hated as Dubya.

Which only goes to show, the Shrub, incapable of playing checkers or the more challenging chess, could fuck up an anvil. His trail of devastation just keeps growing.

Are you some kind of nutcase???

FACT!

Obama will at least begin his presidency with good relationships with other foreign leaders, no thanks to George Bush.

Except for that part where he says he supports pre-emptive war, which makes a major part of his foreign policy platform exactly like Bush.

Except that one of his main foreign policy advisors was what nurtured AQ.

Other than that, I'm sure his foreign policy is completely different.

Pakistan sealed their fate when they sided with us in 2003 against the wishes of the population.

This is just the culmination of selling the country out.

Yeah it has nothing to do with the unnecessary wars he has gotten us into or the failing economy he has created or the debt he will leave.

Im sorry Danni, Unnecessary wars. HMM seems to me that the first war we were attacked first. Or have you loons forgotten already about 9/11 Oh thats right we were never attacked we did it to our selves right BOOB...

The failing Economy... Really thats all Bush's fault . you might want to rethink your answer considering the subprime mortgage and lending practices to unqualified buyers started under CLINTON... Not to mention that Congress has been in the democrats hands for the past two years and they have a lower approval rating than the president. So to say its only Bush's fault is not only wrong its ignorant...

The debt yes, the War in Iraq is costing millions so you are right on one issue. But for Me i would rather have that debt and incur it now instead of being a typical democrat and running with our tail tucked between our legs in defeat.

The insurgents and the terrorists know they can't beat us in a fight so they us our LIBERAL media and you morons to help them out. You people would sell out your own country just to prove Bush wrong. PATHETIC...

"the subprime mortgage and lending practices to unqualified buyers started under CLINTON... "

If the Republicans didn't like it, they had 6 years to change it.

"Not to mention that Congress has been in the democrats hands for the past two years"

What, exactly, has this Congress passed which affected the financial mess?

"So to say its only Bush's fault is not only wrong its ignorant..."

How much blame should he shoulder?

Dan I am NOT saying his administration shouldn't shoulder blame.

No the Republicans didn't do anything to fix it. HOWEVER, when the Republicans were in control the forecasts did not foresee the current situation. there were tell tell signs though that they ignored. they are just as much to blame.

The deomocrats havn't passed anything to prevent the financial mess. And from what we have learned Obama is the leading or second leading benefactor from Fannie and Freddi for campaign contributions...EVER.

Neither side did anything simply because our politicians on both sides care more about teh money in their pocket than they do their country.

to simply say Obama is the savior and will save this country is ignorant. he is a partisan political hack that has never once voted against his party.

McCain is not any better per say... But w have to look at the lesser of the two evils here. Obama wants to implement socialism in this country. Take from the rich and redistribute the wealth. Well you know all those people that are wealthy now didn't get there that way. It takes hard work, dedication, and not being afraid to fail.. Welfare is a blight on this country that has become a CANCER... It will not help, it in the long run will only destroy this nation...

I find it funny. The right pitches a royal bitch fit when people want the rich to help with the poor but oh they just love it when the poor is forced to help pay for the rich fucks who fuck up in business. If that ain't some fucked up bullshit I don't know what is.

Larry

Larry, really WTF are you talking about...

I think its Bullshit that taxpayers had to bailout these companies for their STUPID mistakes.

However, had it not been done we would have seen an historic collapse of our economic system to the extent that the GREAT DEPRESSION would be considered a joke...

I'm sorry but if I work hard for my money and EARN my way to were I am in life WHY IN THE HELL should some fuck be allowed to ride my coat tales because he or she is a lazy fuck that doesn't want to earn their way. Sorry thats not the american way...

Oh it's imparative that the poor help out the rich fucks for THEIR Mistakes but it's wrong to have the rich help the poor when they make mistakes or don't make mistakes but are poor because of circumstance. Funny Dat Be. (ROLLS EYES)

Larry

" HOWEVER, when the Republicans were in control the forecasts did not foresee the current situation"

Give me a break. I never went to business school, but I knew, watching the 125% LTV ads, the teaser rate ads, the no-money-down ads, and the balloon rate ads, it was headed for a fiasco. Watch closely...the politicians will also pretend they couldn't see the Medicare and Social Security tsunamis coming at us, though they've been visible for over a generation, and party hacks from each side will claim purity and blame the other.

"The deomocrats havn't passed anything to prevent the financial mess."

The Republicans set the all-time record for filibusters, in less than half the time. And Bush still owns the veto pen. What's your point?

"to simply say Obama is the savior and will save this country is ignorant. "

Only rightwingers and idiots claim Obama is the savior. Sometimes they're one and the same.

"But w have to look at the lesser of the two evils here. Obama wants to implement socialism in this country"

Are you joking? Republican economics have FORCED socialism on us.

" Take from the rich and redistribute the wealth."

What do you think has been happening the last 8 years...just in reverse? This is the really dumb thing: the wealthiest got a 60% rate cut on their dividends. Do you make over $350,000? If not, guess who's paying for that massive tax cut for the wealthy?

"It takes hard work, dedication, and not being afraid to fail.."

Unless you're a capitalist...until you lose and want socialism.

"Welfare is a blight on this country that has become a CANCER..."

Are you talking about the Wall Street Welfare Queens and their trillion dollar bailout? Or is welfare only bad when it goes to the poor?

"It will not help, it in the long run will only destroy this nation..."

Wake up. The last 8 years have gotten us in this mess.

Larry, seriously do you need to take a reading comprehension course.

Are capable of understanding WHAT would have happened economically to this country or are you incapable of rationalizing that...

The poor were not the ones only helping out the rich. Everyone paying taxes helped out the companies. The COMPANIES are independent of the people... they are CORPORATIONS that; had they folded, would have devastated our economy.

For your second point... WTF... They are poor by circumstance...WHAT does that mean. Are they not capable of bettering themselves? are they not capable of taking federally funded loans and getting a better education to better their life. Are they not capable of joining the military to get a head start in life? Or joining the peace corp to do the same? You loons want to make excuses for everyone instead of making them take responsibility and bettering themselves. Truly SAD!!!!

Oh puhlease. They are saying now the bailout may not even help in reality. Maybe psychologically but that's it. I thought the right wingers always said if a Business couldn't stay afloat let it go bankrupt. Bunch of double speaking double crossers if I ever seen one.

Larry

NEWS FLASH

The poor never bail out the rich. This is a common argument of doltish Libs.

Just a reminder, ~ 50% of the American populace pays NO taxes. This would be the poor.

So how is it the poor are bailing out the rich?

I say rubbish TheOneBS. Everyone pays income tax whether directly or indirectly. Doesn't a poor person that buys something helping to pay the income tax of the proprieter of said business?? I mean where does say a Mom and Pop store get their revenue that they use to pay for their income taxes if not from the comsumer??

Larry

Nice Retort LARRY, you use the typcal BS deflection of the ignorant left... "BUSH DID IT" thats as bad as the race card!!!

TYPICAL...

Take a few notes from Danforth... At least he is formulating responses...

"Just a reminder, ~ 50% of the American populace pays NO taxes."

Just a reminder, Theo Nebs is an idiot, and doesn't realize there are also payroll taxes, gasoline taxes, utility taxes, excise taxes, and sales taxes...to name a few. This fool is confusing INCOME taxes with ALL taxes, to make a convenient (and misleading) point.

For example, make the argument only about payroll taxes, and the numbers and conclusions invert.

Just a reminder, Theo Nebs is an idiot, and doesn't realize there are also payroll taxes, gasoline taxes, utility taxes, excise taxes, and sales taxes...to name a few. This fool is confusing INCOME taxes with ALL taxes, to make a convenient (and misleading) point.

Hmmmm, glad to see you agree (though you probably won't admit it), that by raising the taxes on those who earn $250,000 or more will trickle down to the poor.

Let's sock it to evil corporate rich folk...make 'em pay their fair share.

Of course, the evil corporate rich folk will then increase the prices of their goods to cover their overhead, and thus pass the burden onto the blessed poor folk. The poor will continue to get a pass on income tax (duping them into believing the government is on their side), and the government also gets the benefit of a tax increase on the rich without the blame...which conveniently is placed back on the rich.

Now let's talk about "misleading."

that seem to think Obama is superman?

On his home planet, superman was a normal person. It was only on earth he became a super man. In comparison to Bush, daffy duck would look like superman in the WH. Amazingly enough,though, the GOPpers settled on the only 2 politicians in the world that make Bush look good.

NG3- sing us another Talking point song... PLEASE!!!!! Since BASH BUSH is getting so OLD... lets here something new. Oh wait.. its all you got.. My bad...

How about Obama -

1. linked to ACORN which registered MICKEY MOUSE to vote
2. Linked to Bill Ayers, A KNOWN domestic terrorist
3. Partisan Hack EVERY vote was along Party Lines
4. Socialism advocate - NOT THE AMERICAN WAY

Need i continue...

5. ZERO foreign policy experience
6. ZERO Executive experience
7. LARGEST recipient of Campaign Donations from fannie and Freddie

"A KNOWN domestic terrorist"

If he's so "KNOWN," why isn't he behind bars?

McVeigh: Caught and executed
Kaczynski: Caught and behind bars
Rudolph: Caught and behind bars

"4. Socialism advocate - NOT THE AMERICAN WAY"

Well, unless you're George W. Bush, buying ownership in US banks to the tune of hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars. Then it is the American way.

Im sorry Danni, Unnecessary wars. HMM seems to me that the first war we were attacked first. Or have you loons forgotten already about 9/11 Oh thats right we were never attacked we did it to our selves right BOOB...

If you believe the fairy tale, (which I don't BTW), why didn't we attack Saudi Arabia? In your desire for bloodlust, Bush pulled the wool over your eyes, among millions of others and we attacked two countries that weren't involved in 9/11 (like Iraq), or a country that wanted to hand over bin Laden but weren't allowed to (Afghanistan).

Perhaps a lesser known fact. The US is currently guarding Pakistan's nukes.

If the government fails, so will their nukes. In the event of a complete failure the US will airlift in as many troops as needed to either destroy or remove the bad boys. there is no chance we will allow the nut jobs to have access to the nukes.

"Perhaps a lesser known fact. The US is currently guarding Pakistan's nukes."

Doc-I'm running short of time at this moment but Google it. If you think that those nukes will go to the Islamic Nut Jobs, wrong. I will not believe it for a minute. If nothing else, a massive bombing raid with heavy bunker busters that will render the area gravel. The real nuke danger will be in the loose plutonium not the bang. At least that is how one numskull sees it.

In other words, you can't substantiate what you posted.

Thanks for the clarification.

"A KNOWN domestic terrorist"

If he's so "KNOWN," why isn't he behind bars?

Because these:

1. linked to ACORN which registered MICKEY MOUSE to vote
2. Linked to Bill Ayers, A KNOWN domestic terrorist
3. Partisan Hack EVERY vote was along Party Lines
4. Socialism advocate - NOT THE AMERICAN WAY

are all KNOWN discredited Rethug TALKING POINTS.

Need i continue...

no YOU need to get a CLUE.

AS for your concern about "Bush Bashing"...NO we will NOT "turn the page" on Bush's Blunders. They are too numerous and too costly to America.

Some of us will not "get over it"...EVER.

So, get used to it. Once Obama becomes President all bets are off. Bush may be in court the rest of his life and may even end up in jail. Can't take it? Try Prozac!

And CAN YOU SAY President Obama yet?

Get used to THAT!

FACT!

Sorry Donner but everything I mentioned

1. linked to ACORN which registered MICKEY MOUSE to vote
2. Linked to Bill Ayers, A KNOWN domestic terrorist
3. Partisan Hack EVERY vote was along Party Lines
4. Socialism advocate - NOT THE AMERICAN WAY

IS FACT!!!

Get a clue MORON and look it up. it is fact, not just a talking point. Just admit it... Your a pathetic liberal whiner that can only invoke Bush-ism and deflect the truth about Obama because you have NO defense.

Its ok, thats typical of you losers...

"Socialism advocate - NOT THE AMERICAN WAY"

So if Obama wins, that will mean it is now the American way?

FYI,
UNFORTUNATELY... and sadly it will... The only thing it does it justify lower income and the "poor". it gives no incentive to increase your situation and better yourself... SAD....

"it gives no incentive to increase your situation and better yourself"

Incentive to better yourself is something which should come from the individual. The only thing which should be objectionable is something which stifles that. Yet even in the most heavily socialized European countries you will find rich people and middle class people. And people who started poor and became rich.

DOC SARVIS-No Doc I really was about to leave the house. As for links, try some of these

In all honesty, the allegiance most of the people on this site show him is child-like.

wow, kind of like looking at you and and BUSH for the last 8 years.

Now if you had been posting common sense support maybe you might get better responses.

I'm sorry but if I work hard for my money and EARN my way to were I am in life WHY IN THE HELL should some fuck be allowed to ride my coat tales because he or she is a lazy fuck that doesn't want to earn their way. Sorry thats not the american way...

I see anyone below is a lazy fuck, yep we understand just how you think.

"coat tales"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Just a reminder, ~ 50% of the American populace pays NO taxes. This would be the poor.

So now the neoliberal republicans are admitting that 50% of our nation is poor but still continue with this ain't no problem.

What part of this statement doesn't mean economic class warfare?

Of course, the evil corporate rich folk will then increase the prices of their goods to cover their overhead, and thus pass the burden onto the blessed poor folk. The poor will continue to get a pass on income tax (duping them into believing the government is on their side), and the government also gets the benefit of a tax increase on the rich without the blame...which conveniently is placed back on the rich.

Now let's talk about "misleading."

#42 | Posted by TheOneBS at 2008-10-15 11:46 AM | Reply | Flag

The neoliberal at there finest, taking a 40 year old economic idea and trying to apply it to the modern global free idea of today, it just doesn't work.

The one is certainly full of BS.

"So now the neoliberal republicans "

I wouldn't use the term "neoliberal republicans", Money. I know what you mean, but the average rightwing dumbass on Drudge doesn't.

" the evil corporate rich folk will then increase the prices of their goods to cover their overhead"

Another poster unfamiliar with The Theory of Elasticity.

UNFORTUNATELY... and sadly it will... The only thing it does it justify lower income and the "poor". it gives no incentive to increase your situation and better yourself... SAD....

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

I see there is no incentive for corporations to make our country stronger and better by hiring american workers.

You spout nothing but a clear voice of trying to save the rich,and in that end they should not have to have a foothold in investing in america.

Another poster unfamiliar with The Theory of Elasticity.

Posted by Danforth at 2008-10-16 12:12 AM |

Heyyyyyyyyy I am trying to forget the theory of elasticity. Thank You Very Much.

Larry

Nulli,

Point well taken.

"The poor will continue to get a pass on income tax (duping them...)"

While dupes will post as if income taxes are the only taxes.

"and the government also gets the benefit of a tax increase on the rich without the blame"

Under Bush, they got the benefit of a tax decrease on the rich...which will be conveniently placed on the backs of everyone but the rich.

Fixed that for you.

The US is currently guarding Pakistan's nukes.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
aa

In the event of a complete failure the US will airlift in as many troops as needed to either destroy or remove the bad boys.

Hooohhhhooohhahahahahahaha... cough... cough... choke... sorry....hahahahahahahahahahah
aha

Nice post, Toaster.

I have a Pakistani student, and I have an Indian student; They get along quite well, being graduate-level physicists.

What I hear sounds like "pack'stan."

The intervening vowel is vestigial.

What I get are results.

"Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
a
aa

In the event of a complete failure the US will airlift in as many troops as needed to either destroy or remove the bad boys.

Hooohhhhooohhahahahahahaha... cough... cough... choke... sorry....hahahahahahahahahahah
aha"

Posted by Tosser

2%

2%

ummm.. what?

What I hear sounds like "pack'stan."

The anglo-saxon ear can only pick up blunt sounds.

It is "Paak-iss-staan" long 'a' soft 's' like in hisss, no 'z'. Not "Pack-iz-stan" like Americans might say.

I have a Pakistani student, and I have an Indian student; They get along quite well, being graduate-level physicists.

Give them both Cricket bats and one will have brained the other in short order. It is fascinating to watch.

Tosser here in America we try not to live like savages. We have crime but the average person tries to get along with everybody.

but the average person tries to get along with everybody.

When Americans scream "terrorist" and "kill him" at McCain's rallies, that is just getting along, I guess. LOL

they are stupid rednecks. they aren't average.

Americans have idiot sports like Basketball where you jump around like a monkey with a ball. And they got "football" which isn't football at all. Football is known as "scoccer"... WHY?.... and they got... what other nonsense have they got?

Try playing Cricket sometime. When you hold a Cricket bat in your hand, you automatically feel like hitting something. LOL. Cricket is one of the more civilized sports on the planet.

they are stupid rednecks. they aren't average.

They are average. You think I don't talk to such people?

The real Americans hate Mogambo with a passion.

When the next black fellow is lynched or when the next white girl is raped by blacks, I guess that would be 'just getting along' too.

Let us see how 'civilized' Americans are how the average American likes getting along with others.

See here:

With this much anger under the surface.. with people yelling "kill him".... WHAT chance does Mogambo have???

Forget the polls. Polls are never accurate.