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Tuesday, October 14, 2008

A new British stamp honors contraception pioneer Marie Stopes, a woman who believed fervently in eugenics, supported compulsory sterilization, and once sent a book of love poetry to Adolf Hitler.

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I don't know who Marie is. I don't know what eugenics are. I know what sterile is, but compulsory? I sure know who Hitler is, and that's all I need to know to get my faux outrage on!
I'm angry. Grrrrrrr!!!!
-Liberals

Now the Brits are starting to get it.

Hopefully the U.S. isn't far behind.

It's time that we stop being naive as a species!

Everyone is NOT EQUAL when it comes to genetics and biology.

Everyone is not equal.
Agreed.

This media conditioned sheeple mantra of everyone being "one big happy family" is absolute nonsense.

Sorry, the truth is what it is and can be scientifically proven.

Also, Hitler was a wicked man, but to demonize him to the point of ignoring historical fact is equally as wrong.

Balance, understanding, and objectivity are the keys.

Andrew Jackson is commemorated on our $20 bill. He participated in the genocide of the American Indian first hand as a military commander and then as President.

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So she was into some backward ideology that was popular at the time, and she sent a book of poetry to Hitler in a time of peace, almost certainly with the hope of a continued peace. She was very patriotic when war was declared. If you want to judge her values harshly and use that judgement to discredit her accomplishments, that's fine. But it is hypocritical to make exceptions to a rule as stern as that.

all hail margaret sanger.

the mother of Planned Parenthood


I wonder why we called it Eugenics when hitler did it, but we call it genetic or dna modifications when americans institutions do it?

"I'm so focused on irritating liberals I forgot what democracy and truth are."

- 101Chairborne

"I'm so focused on irritating liberals I forgot what democracy and truth are."

- 101Chairborne

#7 | Posted by Snark_Needleton

Im so focused on being an liberal Obamaboy supporter I forgot to engage my brain

- Snark_Needleton

Bra-vo. I bow to your superior intellect.


I wonder what the world would be like if all their plans have come to fruition? Would all the athletes and top business execs be blond headed sqaure jawed dudes. walking around and sounding like arnold.

So, there was a flawed use of the idea of eugenics, which is connected with Hitler, and therefore consideration of eugenics, improving the speices is forever a taboo because of the semantic connection?

There were other worthies, who adopted the ideas embodied in eugenics, most of them not anathema to people today. Here are the first two comments posted after the article:

Here is a selection of your comments.

Has Winston Churchill ever been on a stamp? This from him in 1910: "The unnatural growth of the feeble-minded and insane classes is a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate. The source from which this stain of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another year has passed."
LapsedHeathen, Nottingham

So... no more Churchill, Shaw, Roosevelt, Alexander Graham Bell or Plato then. All supporters of eugenics.
Graham Vincent, Bristol


Our policies are dysgenic. We have welfare programs of great magnitude supporting successive generations of people maladapted to maintaining themselves in this society, lacking the ability to acquire skill sets, and not making any contribution other than that of consumer. They are encouraged to breed by existing policies, and are paid additional support for each offpsring, who usually inherits negative genetic characteristics.

Johnson, you let me know how that turns out, ok?

You are technically accurate. The thing that scares me is that no matter how dangerous the technology, it will be used. Oh, yes, it will be used.

Who would not choose, if they had the choice, to take a shot that would prevent having a downs baby or an autistic child?

Who would not prefer to have the most beautiful and smart child that was possible for them to have together, if they had the choice?

It's only a small step from there to selective breeding and controlled genetics. Doing in a test tube what the eugenists couldn't have dreamed of in their wildest dreams.

Was it Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, who made the statement in support of forced sterilization, "Three generations of idiots is enough."

www.thecrimson.com n the 1927 case of Buck v. Bell, Chief Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes handed down the infamous ruling summarized in the title above. He was talking about forced sterilization of the "feeble-minded,"

Text: U.S. Supreme Court
Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927) supreme.justia.com

Charles Murray echoes this thesis in terms of expenditures for education.

www.britannica.com
Once again, Charles Murray is arguing that some people are not worth the time and trouble to educate because they are "just not smart enough," in his words, to learn anything more than manual skills. And he can prove it! Scientifically.


Are three generations of idiots enough?

"Are three generations of idiots enough?"

It depends. Are you the third?

Gosh, Danforth, aren't you sufficiently intelligent to discern the answer yourself?

Here's the paragraph in which the statement is made.

In view of the general declarations of the legislature and the specific findings of the Court, obviously we cannot say as matter of law that the grounds do not exist, and, if they exist, they justify the result. We have seen more than once that the public welfare may call upon the best citizens for their lives. It would be strange if it could not call upon those who already sap the strength of the State for these lesser sacrifices, often not felt to be such by those concerned, in order to prevent our being swamped with incompetence. It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind. The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U. S. 11. Three generations of imbeciles are enough.

Apparently other solutions have been developed.

Instead of "... waiting to execute degenerate offspring for crime ...," the courts today have excused them from culpability and they are not subject to execution because of diminished capacity. So it is their shortcoming that insulates them from the consequences of their behavior.

Instead of "... to let them starve for their imbecility ...," society has provided sustenance for them and thus encouraged their breeding and proliferation.

Of course, this has a political impact as groups that go beyond mere demagoguery, intervene to utilize these misfits for attaining political power, going to institutions for the feeble minded and impaired aged, registering them to vote and casting absentee ballots for them. Those functioning a rung above these unfortunates, are induced to support programs directed to their receiving something for nothing in the form of giveaway programs, welfare overtly and in the euphemistic form of "negative taxation," a euphemism for money paid as welfare through the tax system, Food Stamps, medical care programs, various service programs, and the like.

The current economic debacle originated with a social engineering plan to provide housing to people unable to afford it, eliminating screening for ability to repay loans, and packaging partially secured paper and mandating its marketing through Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which were under an order to accept and sell it.

This continuing increase in the indigent constituency with burgeoning welfare programs, threatens the effective functioning of this republic as irresponsible people marshal support for programs that take from the productive and provident and give to the non-productive and improvident, as if no adverse consequences would ensue.

With the existing demographic progression, demagouges are in the ascendancy as the growing portion of the population is dependent because it cannot function in the socio-economic context that comprises a modern society.

In lieu of sterilization and limiting the growth of the segment of the population that lacks the competency to function effectively, the voting franchise should be limited to people who had an obligation to pay taxes during the year preceding the election, and who paid those taxes.

Yeay!

#12 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2008-10-14 08:12 PM

You are technically accurate. The thing that scares me is that no matter how dangerous the technology, it will be used. Oh, yes, it will be used.

Insightful and a statement that agrees with my belief.
Who would not choose, if they had the choice, to take a shot that would prevent having a downs baby or an autistic child?

Well, the only couple that I recall trying for an impaired child was a deaf couple that tried to have a child who was deaf as if that were a positive attribute. Nowadays when people take "pride" in all sorts of aberrations and shortcomings, a counterintuitive outlook may not be entirely misconceived. But generally, I agree with you on this proposition also.
Who would not prefer to have the most beautiful and smart child that was possible for them to have together, if they had the choice?

Or would some of us prefer a misbegotten "chip off the old block?" I suspect that most of us would prefer able children, who were physically atractive.
It's only a small step from there to selective breeding and controlled genetics. Doing in a test tube what the eugenists couldn't have dreamed of in their wildest dreams.

I wonder when the transition will be made from viviparous to artificially abetted oviparous birth with an artificial environment provided to enable a women to avoid the preparturition problems entailed in carrying the fetus. I suppose there will be some "cults" that favor use of the old technique, and also primitive peoples who are not positioned to avail themselves of modern technology, who will do things "the old way." I wonder what losses use of "an artificial womb" might impose, both on the offspring directly and on the maternal-child relationship. We are facing a "brave new world" (with apologies to Aldous Huxley and the engineering of happiness -
www.huxley.net ) that futurists and science fiction writers could not conceive in their wildest imaginings.
Johnson, you let me know how that turns out, ok?

Lizpoidal since the world to be is in the future, most probably at a time when I shall not be about to experience it, I have the good fortune to be able to create a future world in my imagination, a figment that I find congenial. In my heart of hearts, however ... I may have some misgivings. Will we be androids of sorts? What characteristics will we acquire or lose?

"Gosh, Danforth, aren't you sufficiently intelligent to discern the answer yourself? "

I am, and I'm hoping it means you won't be procreating.

Shucks Danforth, I don't mind disappointing you. Your hopes are dashed as I've reproduced again and again and again and again.

Will we be androids of sorts? What characteristics will we acquire or lose?


#17 | Posted by Johnson

The thought brings up all kinds of questions, but they all boil down to the same thing.

Totalitarianism (which is exactly what all megalomaniacs want).

I don't understand how people, even now, can think that we can un-know what we've learned. We cannot regain our innocence just as we cannot become virgins again.

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