I believe Racism and Racists to be alive and well in America today. I believe many folks will try and deny it but the fact remains. A black man isn't supposed to gain the Highest office in the Land simply because He is black. I think there are those who simply do not fully understand their own racist tendencies because they themselves do not want to appear dirty. While I can understand their angst it doesn't bode well with the theme of coming together as one Nation. We need to move away from this cancer called racism not merely for ourselves but for Our Grandchildren themselves. It will take time but we as a Nation will be better off for it.

Larry

You only have to read postings on the DR to see how close to the surface racism is in this country. Thisoe who are seriously afflicted with it attempt to get a "pass" by claiming that every negative statement made about Obama gets tagged as "racist." Not so. But is racism present? Obviously.

So it's not at all racist to forgive all his many many faults because you don't wasn't to seem racist? Come on, if he were not black would it then be ok to call him a socialist?
This BS has got to stop.
Originally i though the left was just setting up so that when their pathetic choice for a candidate lost they would have something other then their complete lack of a competent candidate to blame it on. Now i have come to realize it is so much more. The left is using it to fan the flames of a dying idea, i have no doubt that there is more today then there was 4 years ago. All this racism hype seres to do is pick the scab and reopen the wound, sure there is and will always be some racism but stopping the healing process to use it as political leverage almost to a point of blackmail is wrong.
You say that it is a joke to say obamas supporters counter everything with calling you a racist, that is not true, as someone that finds myself on the right side of the center, in seattle area, i find myself in discussions with liberals and democrats all the time. Until this point i cannot recall ever having been called racist, now if i bring up his inexperience im a racist because he was held back. If i bring up his socilist redistribution plans im a racist because somehow all poor people are black(hmmm, who's the racist there?) If i bring up his connections to the seedy Chicago underworld im a racist because that the only place he could have lived. If i bring up his orchestration of his own bribe im a racist because it must be that Michelle is black that i don't think tripling the pay and his being elected is not a coincidence. DO i rally need to go on?
Instead you(meaning a sweeping generalization of the left) focus on one point, socialism. Now rather then showing us our faults in our results, you turn right to the "your a racist" attack. Now i know that many somehow think that socialist is some code word for black guy but the reality is that obama, at the very least has many overtly socialist ideals. Then when you start looking at his campaign strategy you start to realize where you have seen it before.
Step one
incite class warfare by
Step two
Control the masses as their anger and jealousy blinds them
Step three
Avoid free thinking institution and force state mandated curriculum, get em while their young
Step four
Blow things out of proportion and create propaganda inducing a feeling of martyrdom in you.
Step five
remove the tools need for the people to rise to power

Seem familiar?
The next step have all been to fail miserably.

Then you just have the actual issues.
Obama
Redistribution of wealth
Socialized health (at this point partially)
Stopping school vouchers
Increasing entitlement programs
Reducing small business (mainly by taxes, after all a coupla corporations are easer to control)
Exact control over business(as seen by the foreclosure moratorium)
state mandated retirement
Expand the role of the government to even include credit cards(well, at least in a control manner)
Promote state funded child care
Expand the role of government to include being your banker
For god's sake he wants to have the government supply high speed internet to every citizen

And thats just for starters.

Now tell me the socialist tags are unwarranted. Tell me they are just a front for racism. You want to stop racism? then stop using it as a blind insult. You can acknowledge it exists, it does but you should a least paint a picture that includes both side if you fail to see that you are being dishonest at best. No, instead stop pushing the label stop using it as a default argument stop driving wedges between Americans to promote you ideas, that is how to stop it.

Drunk_Sarvis accuses EVERYONE who does not vote for Osama as being a racist.

Osama's voting record (or lack of one) means nothing.

Osama's platform means nothing.

Ths only thing that matters in the mind of Drunk_Sarvis is that Osama is half black.

BLACK!!!!!!!

black!!!!!

BLACK!!!!

And now tell us, oh wise one, who is the racist?

You only have to read postings on the DR to see how close to the surface racism is in this country.
Posted by Doc_Sarvis

Yeah, and my employer has frozen our budget until after the election based on your candidate. That's corporate racism, isn't it?

"Redistribution of wealth"

The last 8 years have been all about that, just from you to the wealthy.

"Socialized health (at this point partially)"

We've cornered ourselves to the point where we're pricing ourselves out of the health care market. UHC is coming, whether we want it or not.

"Stopping school vouchers"

Which will gut our public school system.

"Increasing entitlement programs"

Maybe the cost savings realized by negotiating with drug companies will ameliorate some of this. But where, specifically, has Obama suggested expanding them?

"Reducing small business (mainly by taxes, after all a coupla corporations are easer to control)"

Unless the owner is netting (not grossing) over $250,000, he won't be effected.

"Exact control over business(as seen by the foreclosure moratorium)"

That's temporary, at best. And the exact opposite happened with the recent bankruptcy bill.

"state mandated retirement"

WTF?

"Expand the role of the government to even include credit cards(well, at least in a control manner)"

WTF?

"Promote state funded child care"

If you remove all federal assistance, where else would it originate?

"Expand the role of government to include being your banker"

Convenient, isn't it, to pretend Democrats hold the White House?

"For god's sake he wants to have the government supply high speed internet to every citizen"

What a great idea!

Drunk_Sarvis accuses EVERYONE who does not vote for Osama as being a racist.
Osama's voting record (or lack of one) means nothing.

Elegantly self-retorting.

"and my employer has frozen our budget until after the election based on your candidate. That's corporate racism, isn't it?"

Manning the strawman concession this morning?

Did your boss actually suggest is was because of Obama, or could it be the blowback from the largest deficits known to man since the dawn of time finally coming back to bite us in the ass?

Sarvis accuses EVERYONE who does not vote for Osama as being a racist.
#4 | Posted by vernon at 2008-10-14 11:51 AM

You're such a lying pantload, Vermin.

I wonder why you and some of the other righties here are so sensitive to my statement: "You only have to read postings on the DR to see how close to the surface racism is in this country."

Not hard to make you bozos get that stinging feeling, is it?

LOL

"Not hard to make you bozos get that stinging feeling, is it?"

You know what they say, Doc:

Throw a rock at a pack of dogs, the one who yelps is the one who got hit.

What's so bad about being labeled a socialist?

Socialism is the new conservatism.

Just ask Hank Paulson, Ben Bernanke, W., and all those whining Wall Street welfare queens who are standing around waiting for a trillion dollar handout.

If it walks and talks like a duck--it's a socialist.

"Redistribution of wealth"

"The last 8 years have been all about that, just from you to the wealthy."
BS
redistribution is not the natural effect of the market but instead an artificial influence that upsets the cycle.

"Socialized health (at this point partially)"

"We've cornered ourselves to the point where we're pricing ourselves out of the health care market. UHC is coming, whether we want it or not."

I wouldn't be so sure. As all the others that have tried have just about all failed we will se if the people can be bought that easily or if they will open their eyes.

"Stopping school vouchers"

"Which will gut our public school system."
Which are failing, dumping money into them has not helped, restructuring will.

"Increasing entitlement programs"

"Maybe the cost savings realized by negotiating with drug companies will ameliorate some of this. But where, specifically, has Obama suggested expanding them?"

And next they will supply toilet paper
then couches
then televisions
next a toaster oven for every house

#14 | Posted by salamandagator at 2008-10-14 12:46 PM | Reply

All of that would be cheaper, and would be more beneficial to Americans, than supplying democracy in Iraq.

All of that would be cheaper, and would be more beneficial to Americans, than supplying democracy in Iraq.

#15 | Posted by anton

Good point, but it's not relevant. Iraq is about oil, not democracy.

"All of that would be cheaper, and would be more beneficial to Americans, than supplying democracy in Iraq."

Seriously, you know that old saying, if you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all? Well i suppose it's time to amend nice to intelligent for you there buddy.

Well i suppose it's time to amend nice to intelligent for you there buddy.

#17 | Posted by salamandagator at 2008-10-14 02:39 PM | Reply

If you think that toilet paper costs more than the Iraq war you shouldn't be insulting anyone's intelligence.

Good point, but it's not relevant. Iraq is about oil, not democracy.

#16 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2008-10-14 02:13 PM | Reply

Wrong. The Iraq war is about democracy. W said so. Therefore, it's true.

Wrong. The Iraq war is about democracy. W said so. Therefore, it's true.

#19 | Posted by anton

Oh, yea, I forgot about the neo-con God. I suppose we'll be seeing those WMD's any day now.

"Wrong. The Iraq war is about democracy. W said so"

No, the war is for oil, the guy in the tinfoil hat told me so, it's gotta be true.

Oh, yea, I forgot about the neo-con God. I suppose we'll be seeing those WMD's any day now.

#20 | Posted by Lipzoidial at 2008-10-14 04:44 PM | Reply

I think George has grown tired of searching for the WMDs much in the same way OJ grew tired of looking for the real murderers.

Besides, George the non-socialist conservative has more important things to do now like spending hundreds of billions of dollars to bail out Wall Street welfare queens and nationalizing banks.

Presidentin' is hard werk.

Presidentin' is hard werk.

#22 | Posted by anton

'Specially when you're presidentin with one hand and diggin a hole with the other hand.

If it walks and talks like a duck--it's a socialist.

#13 | Posted by MURPHY

Really?
I thought for sure it'd be a duck!

Does that mean-if it walks and talks like a Socialist-then it's a duck?

Kill the ducks! They're all commies!

Meanwhile...........community activists for Obama yell "disrespect" when a local businessman displays a McCain/Palin sign and the NAACP is getting involved. All over a McCain/Palin sign.

just ask the plumber who asked barry why since his company made 280,000 last year that he was going to punish him by raising his taxes

and just like the QUOTE I POSTED yesterday

he said that it was important for the people below him that we "SPREAD THE WEALTH".........

so tell me thats not socialism?????
camrade

in other words, to this plumber he ADMITTED IT

he will take away from the producers and give to the nonproducers

oh yeah..........history tells us just how WELL thats worked through the years.........

of course if you WANT a european socialist country on this side of the atlantic then I guess you are all for it........

"he will take away from the producers and give to the nonproducers"

That's a bastardization of what he said.

"history tells us just how WELL thats worked through the years..."

The last 8 have been that, in reverse. What is history telling you now?

BL2

Enjoy the next 8 years as Obama steals from the rich and gives to the poor. The poor will be living in mansions and the rich will be living in boxes.

You really are an idiot. You should know that. Socialism has worked very well in other countries--at least they don't let their citizens die from lack of medical help---unlike Christians like you---who think if someone can't afford medical help---they should die and STFU.

"You should know that. Socialism has worked very well in other countries"

Bob scores again.

Seriously?
Socialism works in other countries?
I mean, seriously?
I am truly flabbergasted.

I wish Obama was a socialist.

But, hey, at least we have the GOPiggies to lead us toward nationalization of the banks.

OBAMA himslef admitted to being a socialist with that one quote

why cant you socialist here just admit it and lets get on with it........

spread the wealth is the center piece of socialism

you take from the producers and give to the 'others'............you can call me anything you can from that GUTTER of yours bob and it WONT CHANGE obamas colors as a euorpean style socialists..............

gotta go

have a great day

"spread the wealth is the center piece of socialism"

Or of a decent society.
But you keep kidding yourself, BLT.
Your corporate masters are pleased.

Wink all you want, Nanc, the original proposal for hundreds of billions in bailout came from a Republican administration.

I have no problems with public ownership.

I just never believed the GOPiggies would be the ones to take us there.

Funny how things turn out sometimes.

Why...cause he is a socialist!

I keep wondering how Obama is going to pass a "socialist" program. I know that Congress is the branch which creates laws. I know that congressmen are very cognizant of how their constituents think (even if they do jump to the whip of lobbyists). And if their constituents really object to something, like "socialistic" programs, congressmen realize they may very easily lose their seats if they support such programs. Seems to me, if people really object to whatever Obama proposes and lets their congressmen know, Obama can't pass any legislation.

Then there is the issue of getting past Republican votes in Congress and the various obstruction tactics available to the minority party.

However, given that hadly any of the posters who insist that Obama is a "socialist" give me the impression that they even know what a "socialistic" program really is, I'm pretty sure that this is an issue only for the choir. Party on ...

BL2 thinks rich people produce things. Rich people produce nothing. The poor are the ones who produce. Henry Ford made one car in his whole life. The rest were made by workers who he leached off of the rest of his life, when he wasn't shooting them like dogs or supporting Hitlers ideals.

It is true of course that without Ford, there would have been no jobs in the first place, but to say Ford is the only important component, or that Ford is the only one that should be rewarded well, is elitest thinking.

The workers are just as important component as Fords' ideas--they are both necessary for success. Pure Capitalism has been shown not to work. Pure Democracy has been shown not to work. Pure Socialism has been shown not to work. Pure Communism has been shown not to work.

What works is a combination of them all.

What works is a combination of them all.

#41 | Posted by Buffalo_Bob at 2008-10-15 12:53 PM | Reply | Flag:

share the prototype, please.

"Right-wing attempts to paint Barack Obama as a socialist aren't just disingenuous. They're rooted in a history of conservative smears against black leaders."

Posted by Doc_Sarvis

This will pretty much be the standard for Obama's term as president.

Any criticism will be met with cries of racism. You can't even call him a socialist without some pansy playing the race card. As if Kerry or Clinton weren't called socialists.

This will pretty much be the standard for Obama's term as president.

Any criticism will be met with cries of racism. You can't even call him a socialist without some pansy playing the race card. As if Kerry or Clinton weren't called socialists.

Where is Righto with his 'Moment of Clarity Award' for the day?

According to these fucking syncophants Obama is incapable of error.

"Pure Capitalism has been shown not to work. Pure Democracy has been shown not to work. Pure Socialism has been shown not to work. Pure Communism has been shown not to work.

What works is a combination of them all." - BuffaloBob

Yep, for sure. And I keep hoping that one day we can hit on the right combination. An interesting bet a couple of my friends have made is whether we do find this right combo before the U.S. collapses economically, or not.

""Pure Capitalism has been shown not to work."

Pure capitalism has never been implemented.

"Pure capitalism has never been implemented."

What was the stuff we had in the 1890's?

"What was the stuff we had in the 1890's?"

your kidding right?

You still had bankruptcy laws
you still had antitrust laws
you still had tax credits
you still had public schools
you still had public utilities
amongst many other things

True they were much closer to a Laissez-faire ideal then we are today but still pure capitalism has not been tested.

my curiousity is peaked as to what parts of the "isms" bluffalo would implement in order to make the combo beneficial - i mean besides killing all the conservatives, christians and jews?